Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis
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150-200 would be PAF, Pak Army Much more , There will be strains in Rawalpindi, something will have to give soon
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Useful, constructive analyses about CDS statements are now cropping up. Here's a good one:
CDS did what he was sent to do at Shangri La
CDS did what he was sent to do at Shangri La
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Two more tweets on the scope of damage:
https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1929559806836130179
The underground facility at Murid was targeted by a SCALP EG missile.
1. The surface scorch marks indicate the use of a shaped charge, designed to breach the outer layer.
2. This is followed by the main warhead, which penetrates deep into the structure and detonates, vaporizing everything inside.
https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1929490144274350249
India reportedly dropped a bomb into a 45 cm HVAC vent of an underground C4I facility in Noorkhan, vaporizing everyone inside. To avoid further humiliation, Pakistan chose not to recover the bodies, as excavating the site would have drawn unwanted attention. Instead, they decided to quietly level the entire facility using earth movers. Such a shame.
https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1929559806836130179
The underground facility at Murid was targeted by a SCALP EG missile.
1. The surface scorch marks indicate the use of a shaped charge, designed to breach the outer layer.
2. This is followed by the main warhead, which penetrates deep into the structure and detonates, vaporizing everything inside.
https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1929490144274350249
India reportedly dropped a bomb into a 45 cm HVAC vent of an underground C4I facility in Noorkhan, vaporizing everyone inside. To avoid further humiliation, Pakistan chose not to recover the bodies, as excavating the site would have drawn unwanted attention. Instead, they decided to quietly level the entire facility using earth movers. Such a shame.
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Here are my thoughts.
1) Op Sindoor showed that this Government of India runs a very, very tight ship. From secrecy to operational planning to flexibility of implementation. From A to Z, everything was executed in such a way that Pakistan was brought completely to its knees in THREE DAYS (and that includes all its capacity for nuclear blackmail as well).
Think about that. We did not even have to wait for Pakistan's shortage of funds, fuel, ammunition etc. to become a factor over time. They still had all those things, and yet we shut them down 100%.
2) This required not just ironclad discipline but a phenomenal degree of cross-coordination between the different services, the cabinet, the bureaucracy, and the diplomatic corps. Otherwise, such an achievement is not possible. Anyone who has ever managed more than one team of people on a cross-functional project of any kind, knows this for a fact.
3) Therefore, Occam's Razor reveals that whatever the CDS did and said is not some impromptu, unprepared, foot-in-mouth blunder. Someone at his level appearing at that event, giving an interview to that platform, saying what he said while wearing the uniform of the country... it is all part of the plan. I don't know yet what the plan is, I don't know if it is a good plan-- but the track record since last month shows that it is very likely to be an effective one.
I know we are all addicted to social media, and accustomed to projecting our own heartburn over Paki or Congressi taunts as some huge H&D/"narrative warfare" defeat for the country and its armed forces.
All I'm saying is-- let us consider what the GOI and armed forces achieved over the last month and compare it to the greatest achievements of our own supreme buddhis as individuals, before deciding that we know better than the CDS why certain things were said.
1) Op Sindoor showed that this Government of India runs a very, very tight ship. From secrecy to operational planning to flexibility of implementation. From A to Z, everything was executed in such a way that Pakistan was brought completely to its knees in THREE DAYS (and that includes all its capacity for nuclear blackmail as well).
Think about that. We did not even have to wait for Pakistan's shortage of funds, fuel, ammunition etc. to become a factor over time. They still had all those things, and yet we shut them down 100%.
2) This required not just ironclad discipline but a phenomenal degree of cross-coordination between the different services, the cabinet, the bureaucracy, and the diplomatic corps. Otherwise, such an achievement is not possible. Anyone who has ever managed more than one team of people on a cross-functional project of any kind, knows this for a fact.
3) Therefore, Occam's Razor reveals that whatever the CDS did and said is not some impromptu, unprepared, foot-in-mouth blunder. Someone at his level appearing at that event, giving an interview to that platform, saying what he said while wearing the uniform of the country... it is all part of the plan. I don't know yet what the plan is, I don't know if it is a good plan-- but the track record since last month shows that it is very likely to be an effective one.
I know we are all addicted to social media, and accustomed to projecting our own heartburn over Paki or Congressi taunts as some huge H&D/"narrative warfare" defeat for the country and its armed forces.
All I'm saying is-- let us consider what the GOI and armed forces achieved over the last month and compare it to the greatest achievements of our own supreme buddhis as individuals, before deciding that we know better than the CDS why certain things were said.
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So Shiv Aroor stated that as per a briefing received by IAF, he was told of 9 confirmed aircraft losses of PAF. Need to wait for the presser.
https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1929556231590428923
https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1929556231590428923
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Why are we not doing more Chanakyagiri here? This can be an alternative narrative which is more spicy, and can cause fissure between Pak Army and PAF. After watching Pakistan cricket media for 3 decades, there's always a belief that Pakistan lost as its players took money, or internal politics to get captaincy.
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After Apr 22, 2025.. Pakistan was aware that India would be going beyond Balakot in its response. The Pakistan Army tacitly gave an understanding to the Indian military to attack the Muridke and Bahawalpur. To not escalate, they took Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Azar to a safe location. The PA had issues with JeM, as it’s also supporting Pakistan Taliban. Hence they only saved Maulana Azar, but tied up his family within Bahawalpur exposing them to Indian bombs. If you go to one of the earlier Pak media reports, a house in Muridke was targeted, however neighbors mentioned that the families living there had evacuated. The Pakistan Army was also not happy with LeT as it did not help the army in the riots instigated by Imran Khan. To teach it a lesson, they were happy with India striking their headquarters. The lesson being that if you are don’t help PA in totality, and be a stooge then we will let India take you out. There are hundreds of groups that we can back and make the head of Jihad.
The PA is responsible for ground based air defense and the PAF for air based air-defense. While the PAF was steadfast in covering Pakistan, the Pakistan Army stood down the air defense to allow Indian bombs to hit their targets !!! The PAF was pissed off about it, and then attacked the Lahore based HQ9 defense system in anger.
PA has been historically angry at PAF for buying all modern jets, and showing off. In PA view, the PAF is nothing but a bunch of overrated truck drivers taking up a lot of budget. PAF think of themselves as being upper class, but have zero power within Pakistan. Furthermore, PAF got a lot of credit after their “tactical brilliance at Pulwama”, which pissed off the PA. PA did all the work and a driver with a button got all credit !!
The PAF then started using their drones and planes to start some attack on India. This was counter to what the PA wanted. They wanted a standoff with India that would let them consolidate their power. Furthermore, they wanted India to also attack certain prisons within Pakistan. This would leave PA back as sole protector of Pakistan. The citation to elevate Munir to Field Marshal had been written on his first day of office, and had been dusted off. The PA was going to show token defense along the border, and say we defended against India. As PAF started to attack India, the PA got very scared ! PA was very well aware that a week long skirmish with India would result in PA facing the brunt of attack across the LOC.
As PAF launched attacks on India with drones, PA was very pissed off
. Couple of nights back, PAF had taken out the HQ9 operated by PA near Lahore. ISI met with RAW to give further details to cripple PAF. After the attack on the 11 air bases, PAF instantly knew that the detailed information was provided by ISI. If not, then India would never have the precise co-ordinates for such a crippling attack. The PAF viewed PA as a bunch of thugs who had a nuclear weapon. In anger at the loss of a squadron major, his friends from the same squadron flew a mission to take out the Kirana Hills depot. How else can you target a hillside facility except when the gates are opened? The PAF rationale being that the PA should understand that we can take away their Crown Jewels too. Hence, Air Marshal Bharti was categorical that he had not attacked Kirana Hills ! Once the US saw how PA and PAF was in a fratricidal battle, it requested India to take the Pakistan DGMO call. India always wanted a ceasefire, and let Pakistan army and Air Force duke it out !
Finally, Shehbaz Sharif declared victory to save his own skin ! He had not forgotten May and October 1999 when his elder brother did not declare victory, and resulted in Musharraf kicking him out,. Shehbaz ws the Punjab CM, got arrested and was lucky to not face the noose.
In summary,
1. After April 22, ISI tacitly agreed with RAW to accept Indian attacks on terror camps as long as PA or Pakistan infrastructure was not targeted. Another tacit understanding was that India would continue IWT water information, while talking about keeping it in suspension (the IWT waters are used to irrigate lands owned by PA colonels and generals, and is their basic retirement fund)
2. PA wanted to get LeT and JeM under more control, and welcomed attacks on them. A new facility would allow ISI to get more electronic control over the two groups to monitor anti-PA activity
3. After May 8, PA also wanted to teach PAF a lesson. Through its offices in Riyadh, ISI met with RAW and gave detailed target intel on the 11 air bases. This allowed Indian armed forces with precise 1 sq meter targeting to ensure maximum damage. As Sarghoda was PAF crown jewel, PA gave the co-ordinates of the runway instead of main buildings. This ensured that there is no hiding from the damage to PAF.
4. To ensure Munir was safe from PAF or an errant Indian bomb, he had been secretly sleeping in a bunker from April 23 onwards. Once the ceasefire was announced, Munir came out to receive the Field Marshal baton.
Conclusion
If not for PA perfidy, India would never have been able to attack Pakistan. If not for PAF bravery, IAF would have been flying “Mission Accomplished” banners over Rawalpindi. Maulana Azar and Hafiz Saeed clearly understand that PA is their boss. Field Marshal is a permanent posting, so Munir does not have to go through boring stuff like constitutional amendments to be chief of army for life.
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After Apr 22, 2025.. Pakistan was aware that India would be going beyond Balakot in its response. The Pakistan Army tacitly gave an understanding to the Indian military to attack the Muridke and Bahawalpur. To not escalate, they took Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Azar to a safe location. The PA had issues with JeM, as it’s also supporting Pakistan Taliban. Hence they only saved Maulana Azar, but tied up his family within Bahawalpur exposing them to Indian bombs. If you go to one of the earlier Pak media reports, a house in Muridke was targeted, however neighbors mentioned that the families living there had evacuated. The Pakistan Army was also not happy with LeT as it did not help the army in the riots instigated by Imran Khan. To teach it a lesson, they were happy with India striking their headquarters. The lesson being that if you are don’t help PA in totality, and be a stooge then we will let India take you out. There are hundreds of groups that we can back and make the head of Jihad.
The PA is responsible for ground based air defense and the PAF for air based air-defense. While the PAF was steadfast in covering Pakistan, the Pakistan Army stood down the air defense to allow Indian bombs to hit their targets !!! The PAF was pissed off about it, and then attacked the Lahore based HQ9 defense system in anger.
PA has been historically angry at PAF for buying all modern jets, and showing off. In PA view, the PAF is nothing but a bunch of overrated truck drivers taking up a lot of budget. PAF think of themselves as being upper class, but have zero power within Pakistan. Furthermore, PAF got a lot of credit after their “tactical brilliance at Pulwama”, which pissed off the PA. PA did all the work and a driver with a button got all credit !!
The PAF then started using their drones and planes to start some attack on India. This was counter to what the PA wanted. They wanted a standoff with India that would let them consolidate their power. Furthermore, they wanted India to also attack certain prisons within Pakistan. This would leave PA back as sole protector of Pakistan. The citation to elevate Munir to Field Marshal had been written on his first day of office, and had been dusted off. The PA was going to show token defense along the border, and say we defended against India. As PAF started to attack India, the PA got very scared ! PA was very well aware that a week long skirmish with India would result in PA facing the brunt of attack across the LOC.
As PAF launched attacks on India with drones, PA was very pissed off

Finally, Shehbaz Sharif declared victory to save his own skin ! He had not forgotten May and October 1999 when his elder brother did not declare victory, and resulted in Musharraf kicking him out,. Shehbaz ws the Punjab CM, got arrested and was lucky to not face the noose.
In summary,
1. After April 22, ISI tacitly agreed with RAW to accept Indian attacks on terror camps as long as PA or Pakistan infrastructure was not targeted. Another tacit understanding was that India would continue IWT water information, while talking about keeping it in suspension (the IWT waters are used to irrigate lands owned by PA colonels and generals, and is their basic retirement fund)
2. PA wanted to get LeT and JeM under more control, and welcomed attacks on them. A new facility would allow ISI to get more electronic control over the two groups to monitor anti-PA activity
3. After May 8, PA also wanted to teach PAF a lesson. Through its offices in Riyadh, ISI met with RAW and gave detailed target intel on the 11 air bases. This allowed Indian armed forces with precise 1 sq meter targeting to ensure maximum damage. As Sarghoda was PAF crown jewel, PA gave the co-ordinates of the runway instead of main buildings. This ensured that there is no hiding from the damage to PAF.
4. To ensure Munir was safe from PAF or an errant Indian bomb, he had been secretly sleeping in a bunker from April 23 onwards. Once the ceasefire was announced, Munir came out to receive the Field Marshal baton.
Conclusion
If not for PA perfidy, India would never have been able to attack Pakistan. If not for PAF bravery, IAF would have been flying “Mission Accomplished” banners over Rawalpindi. Maulana Azar and Hafiz Saeed clearly understand that PA is their boss. Field Marshal is a permanent posting, so Munir does not have to go through boring stuff like constitutional amendments to be chief of army for life.
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Has anybody connected this recent conflict with Gen Paddy's book that he wrote in 2004, 'India Checkmates America'? It is eerily prescient and even mentions Akash at one place. Of course the antagonist in the book is the US but the scenario with India intercepting all its missiles is incredibly similar. I just re-read the book. I won't give away any more spoilers except that the parallels are hair-raisingly familiar.
I highly recommend all of us Jingos read this masterpiece - as a fast-paced work of fiction too, it excels.
I highly recommend all of us Jingos read this masterpiece - as a fast-paced work of fiction too, it excels.
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Shashi Tharoor is a great communicator.
With Brazil:
https://youtu.be/5vwELhsW2Kc?si=6LqfLehyPp-RjR_b
With Brazil:
https://youtu.be/5vwELhsW2Kc?si=6LqfLehyPp-RjR_b
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Shashi Tharoor is also posting his pictures from Panama as if he is on a pleasure trip.
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He ran for UN Secretary General. Probably IS a pleasure trip for him meeting old friends.
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Former Air Marshal Shirish Deo says Pakistani claims of what Chinese weapons did violate the laws of physics. He quips that like Pakistan, India is also very thankful that Pakistan has Chinese weapons.
YouTube: https://youtu.be/c3tvKV9Ekgc?si=xnIXQSiOcdjlAVUZ
YouTube: https://youtu.be/c3tvKV9Ekgc?si=xnIXQSiOcdjlAVUZ
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Well he is using all the good “offices” to garner support for India so anything is good ! We used these tricks in school and college to get extra budgets for functions etc… all sales only!
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Sirji - honorary BRF 'Red Cap' award to you!Bharat wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 23:37 Why are we not doing more Chanakyagiri here? This can be an alternative narrative which is more spicy, and can cause fissure between Pak Army and PAF. After watching Pakistan cricket media for 3 decades, there's always a belief that Pakistan lost as its players took money, or internal politics to get captaincy.
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Conclusion
If not for PA perfidy, India would never have been able to attack Pakistan. If not for PAF bravery, IAF would have been flying “Mission Accomplished” banners over Rawalpindi. Maulana Azar and Hafiz Saeed clearly understand that PA is their boss. Field Marshal is a permanent posting, so Munir does not have to go through boring stuff like constitutional amendments to be chief of army for life.

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Have to agree with most of this... Narrative shaping and conceding to the enemy perception space is poor thinkingvaibhavs wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 22:55 So Shiv Aroor stated that as per a briefing received by IAF, he was told of 9 confirmed aircraft losses of PAF. Need to wait for the presser.
https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1929556231590428923
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A Tamil video with some details.
நேருக்கு நேர் 85 விமானங்கள்...Major Madhan Kumar Speech On Operation Sindoor
நேருக்கு நேர் 85 விமானங்கள்...Major Madhan Kumar Speech On Operation Sindoor
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From trashing Akash to fearing it - Azerbaijan's evolution:
YouTube: https://youtu.be/QDJ-YFPsDjc?si=ELgzr_PiUtk-mBnv
The narration is in Hindi, but the slides are in English, and tell the whole story.
YouTube: https://youtu.be/QDJ-YFPsDjc?si=ELgzr_PiUtk-mBnv
The narration is in Hindi, but the slides are in English, and tell the whole story.
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Slightly tangential to Operations Sindoor, we need to deal with the RICU or is it URIC tangle - I mean Russia, India, China and USA. Pak land is now again caught in a bidding war between USA and China. DJT is only looking at things from a trade angle and how it would benefit USA and/or his family interest. We saw the stoppage of Operations Sindoor and the equal equal equation back between India and Pak. There is a presentation a few months back when failure mar saala err general ASim manure sat through about minerals in Baluchistan like copper and gold mining by US private interests. After Op Sindoor, China maal has not performed and both China and Pak are itching to get back at India sometime later. The US has upped the clash between Ukraine and Russia and things are not going well. Meanwhile Sec Def Hegseth chirped about strengthening ties with India by way of Quad and bleated out threats against China. China itself is unsure about Emperor and its economy is swirling the drain fast. Russia and China relations are not exactly peachy good either. N. Korea left papa China and embraced Russia. The dumping of rubbish chinese cars onto Russia has aam-admi Russians pissed off. Meanwhile Putin may contact India for its robust AD system and knock out pesky drones from the air after losing many nuke capable bombers. Already Israel wants to tie up with India on such projects. India is caught in swirls which provides opportunities as well as headaches. The EU is wanting to bolster its defence equipment but they don't have the manpower to make them and may look at India. EU wants to stay away from China. The US trade deal is pending and DJT's recent behaviour has left a sour after taste in India. GE is not exactly wanting to help India in its engine quest. BTW there is a long term US Army plan to redraw the map in middle east including Pak land, which has Baluchistan prominently! In the plan Gilgit Baltistan may go towards Afghanistan, so India has to claim it back quite soon. These big boy games are in flux and one is not sure where things will end up.
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I think one small simple explanation for the comms fiasco may well be that everyone got caught up in the scale and speed of the conflict and the senior brass may be a bit stunned or caught left footed at the whole canvas specially aerial attacks as they haven’t fought a proper all out war since 71.
Not in terms of ops which they did great but at the scale of success and the dilemma of how much to reveal and how much not to so that there is no panic, Rona dhona tamasha in the country and abroad.
On the nights that the attacks intensified I was myself worried if bigger cities could be the targets of something unthinkable and we know now that something was being prepared. Hence I urge GoI to take civil defence and with it some psychological conditioning of forces and civilians both as important
Not in terms of ops which they did great but at the scale of success and the dilemma of how much to reveal and how much not to so that there is no panic, Rona dhona tamasha in the country and abroad.
On the nights that the attacks intensified I was myself worried if bigger cities could be the targets of something unthinkable and we know now that something was being prepared. Hence I urge GoI to take civil defence and with it some psychological conditioning of forces and civilians both as important
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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/operati ... ed-8574248
Hopefully what we stuck there will be revealed in the time to come. I wish it will include ammunition depots.Op Sindoor: Pak Dossier Shows India Struck More Targets Than Revealed.
The maps in the dossier show strikes on Peshawar, Jhang, Hyderabad in Sindh, Gujrat in Punjab, Gujranwala, Bhawalnagar, Attock and Chor. These locations were not named by the Indian Air Force or the Director General of Military Operations in the press briefings after the airstrikes last month.
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Courtesy - Hon. Chief Minister of Assam - Himanta Biswa SarmaWhat If China Stops Brahmaputra Water to India?
A Response to Pakistan’s New Scare Narrative
After India decisively moved away from the outdated Indus Waters Treaty, Pakistan is now spinning another manufactured threat:
“What if China stops the Brahmaputra’s water to India?”
Let’s dismantle this myth — not with fear, but with facts and national clarity:
Brahmaputra: A River That Grows in India — Not Shrinks
China contributes only ~30–35% of the Brahmaputra’s total flow — mostly through glacial melt and limited Tibetan rainfall.
The remaining 65–70% is generated within India, thanks to:
•Torrential monsoon rainfall in Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Nagaland, and Meghalaya
•Major tributaries like Subansiri, Lohit, Kameng, Manas, Dhansiri, Jia-Bharali, Kopili
•Additional inflows from the Khasi, Garo, and Jaintia Hills via rivers such as Krishnai, Digaru, and Kulsi
➤ At the Indo-China border (Tuting): Flow is ~2,000–3,000 m³/s
➤ In Assam plains (e.g., Guwahati): Flow swells to 15,000–20,000 m³/s during monsoon
The Brahmaputra is not a river India depends on upstream — it is a rain-fed Indian river system, strengthened after entering Indian territory.
The Truth that Pakistan should know -
Even if China were to reduce water flow (unlikely as China has never threatened or indicated in any official forum), it may actually help India mitigate the annual floods in Assam, which displace lakhs and destroy livelihoods every year.
Meanwhile, Pakistan — which has exploited 74 years of preferential water access under the Indus Waters Treaty — now panics as India rightfully reclaims its sovereign rights.
Let’s remind them:
Brahmaputra is not controlled by a single source — it is powered by our geography, our monsoon, and our civilisational resilience
#Brahmaputratruth
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FYI Sushant Singh in his paywalled essay on op Sindoor in Caravan (June 2025 ed) says:
"Officials in the Indian military told me that all the IAF’s losses had been caused by Pakistani air defences"
Taking this at face value, does it then means that
1. HQ9 has been networked with Eyrie
2. Was kept close to border for sniper shot positions (they anticipated our tactics and RoE)
3. J10s lobbed PL15s beyond range to create the same BVR grind dance done in 2019 while HQ9s were launched ? (Was there any HQ9 debris found in India?)
"Officials in the Indian military told me that all the IAF’s losses had been caused by Pakistani air defences"
Taking this at face value, does it then means that
1. HQ9 has been networked with Eyrie
2. Was kept close to border for sniper shot positions (they anticipated our tactics and RoE)
3. J10s lobbed PL15s beyond range to create the same BVR grind dance done in 2019 while HQ9s were launched ? (Was there any HQ9 debris found in India?)
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Pakis were claiming in the initial days that their AA missiles were course corrected mid air by SaaB eyries to hit IAF jets. I would not believe anything coming from Pakis.
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Do we have some source on this? I think they were pushing misinformation of PL15 supremacy to perhaps really muddy the waters. These guys seem to have been ready for the Ukraine like Patriot ambush
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Their PL15 E apparently has course correction capability "The hybrid guidance system supports a mid-course two-way datalink led by AEW&C aircraft and autonomous terminal radar homing" according to wiki.
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But Multiple intact PL 15E missiles with seeker seems pretty much jammable which Chinese spokesperson now claiming it is "only" a export version of the Missile. 

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The no a2a kill part was confirmed a while back by Snehesh Phillip of the print. All the informed speculation points to a lack of DEAD for the sake of surprise rather than any ROE limitations. I guess we will have to wait for the IAF's long rumoured briefing to happen for more details.Rishi wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 12:12 FYI Sushant Singh in his paywalled essay on op Sindoor in Caravan (June 2025 ed) says:
"Officials in the Indian military told me that all the IAF’s losses had been caused by Pakistani air defences"
Taking this at face value, does it then means that
1. HQ9 has been networked with Eyrie
2. Was kept close to border for sniper shot positions (they anticipated our tactics and RoE)
3. J10s lobbed PL15s beyond range to create the same BVR grind dance done in 2019 while HQ9s were launched ? (Was there any HQ9 debris found in India?)
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Shared some thoughts on the hue and cry over the CDS' statement on aircraft losses.
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At the outset, I offer my heartiest congratulations to Paakis for their spectacular victory in Kargil where they brought down three IAF aircraft and for the even more FANTASTIC victory of 1971 wherein they shot down anywhere between 45 – 65 IAF aircraft! There’s a video as well!
Moving on, never mind the death and destruction visited by the IAF and IA on Bhikharistan without any pity or remorse over the course of those 88 hours!
Never mind the utterly destroyed and humbled terror headquarters at Muridke and Bahawalpur!
Never mind the dead Squadron Leader Usman Yousuf of PAF who was actually killed in a road accident instead of the Brahmos Strike at Bholari where he was working on a Saab Erieye AEW&C platform of the PAF.
Never mind the explosions at Kirana Hill because IAF never knew about it and absolutely NEVER bombed it!
Never mind the fact that during Op Sindoor, IAF addressed dozens of targets as far as 300km inside Pakistan with possibly a hundred or so IAF aircraft in the air together at the same time while overwhelming PAF and PA air defences!
Never mind the fact that .. well .. never mind .. please keep minding all facts because the IAF lost some aircraft in doing so!
Also, never mind the fact that the CDS himself mentioned that lessons were learnt and IAF didn’t suffer a scratch thereafter!
Many years ago, during my Facebook days, I got an opportunity to be a ‘content writer’ for some months for a popular defence/geostrategy page with nearly a million followers. What I realized was that many of us have a habit of looking for a dark cloud behind every silver lining!
Just like we did when we overtook Japan to become the world’s fourth largest economy & idiots started breaking their bangles crying that our per capita GDP was still lower than Japan! Of course it was and it will continue to be for a long time! But our GDP still surpassed Japan and that too would remain a fact!
Bottomline is that what we achieved in those 88 or so hours in Operation Sindoor is something that all leading militaries of the world will be studying for a long long time. As far as Paakis and some folks within our own borders go, they can keep laughing/crying about IAF losses!
Their latest Field Marshal can keep orgasming over the beautiful photograph of the Chinese military exercise presented by him to that joker appointed as the Prime Minister of Bhikharistan by himself some years ago!
A military that has lost each & every war that it has ever fought, cannot help but resort to lies and misinformation and in this case, bombast .. to keep itself relevant amongst its own people. Hence Paakis will keep on crowing about downed IAF aircraft while staying mum over the spanking they received.
However, what gets me ‘amused’ is the sheer R@ndi Rona in some sections of my own people at loss of a few airframes! India can easily afford to make up for the loss of all airframes lost during Op Sindoor!
But as far as Bhikharistan goes .. well .. they will have to eat grass!
Mind you, we achieved all this without the Indian Navy having to fire even a single round!
Just imagine the next round when Karachi and Ormara and all such get bombed from the seas!
I don’t say it .. my Raksha Mantri said so himself!
To conclude, I would say that I can live my life while accepting the loss of a couple of airframes, especially when the pilots are all fine!
As for those who are still beating their chests .. well .. Peace Be Upon You!
As far as Paakis go, it warms my heart to see them go ecstatic in their celebrations!
They did so in 1965 as well. Unfortunately, they lost half their country a mere six years later!
However, in their own eyes, they still DID NOT lose in 1971!
Don’t believe me?
Here is what a young child of Bhikharistan is taught in her school in Pakistan Studies .. she believes that Pakistan GIFTED independence to Bangladesh!
(Unable to add video to this post. Here's the link)
Re: Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis
repeat after me, only 10% of the loses (and strikes) have been reported/acknowledged by India.
Re: Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis
https://aninews.in/news/national/genera ... 603194710/
6 Pakistan fighter jets, one C-130 aircraft, multiple cruise missiles, UAVs destroyed during IAF retaliation in Op Sindoor/
Two eriye also bye bye
6 Pakistan fighter jets, one C-130 aircraft, multiple cruise missiles, UAVs destroyed during IAF retaliation in Op Sindoor/
Two eriye also bye bye
Re: Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis
Yup, these are official numbers since Shiv also stated 9 PAF losses. 6 fighter aircrafts, 2 AWACS and 1 C-130. Unknown number of aircrafts must have been damaged due to shrapnel impact in the hangars and those are not counted here. I don't think there is any A2A kill on both sides.
Re: Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis
6 Pakistan fighter jets, one C-130 aircraft, multiple cruise missiles, UAVs destroyed during IAF retaliation in Op Sindoor
https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 603194710/
Updated strike map of Pak land:
https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1929806411178840145
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GsgL9GUXgAA ... name=small
https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 603194710/
Updated strike map of Pak land:
https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1929806411178840145
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GsgL9GUXgAA ... name=small
Re: Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis
Read the ANI link, 1 high Value Aircraft, 6 Fighter Aircraft, 1 C130 shot down in the Air.vaibhavs wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 20:30 [quote=Bharadwaj post_id=2650645 time=1748962473
Two eriye also bye bye
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Yup, these are official numbers since Shiv also stated 9 PAF losses. 6 fighter aircrafts, 2 AWACS and 1 C-130. Unknown number of aircrafts must have been damaged due to shrapnel impact in the hangars and those are not counted here. I don't think there is any A2A kill on both sides.
In strikes 1 Aew Aircraft down, Pakis are not clearing the destroyed/damaged hangers so we are not able see how Aircraft were damaged destroyed in the hangers.
Re: Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis
Is there any social media or news from those days, say from Peshawar, of flames seen or explosions heard? In other words, without corroboration why should I believe anything in a Paki dossier, even if it is positive for India?Op Sindoor: Pak Dossier Shows India Struck More Targets Than Revealed.
The maps in the dossier show strikes on Peshawar, Jhang, Hyderabad in Sindh, Gujrat in Punjab, Gujranwala, Bhawalnagar, Attock and Chor. These locations were not named by the Indian Air Force or the Director General of Military Operations in the press briefings after the airstrikes last month.
Re: Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis
The only thing I could find for Hyderabad
https://x.com/vkthakur/status/1921170653207523364
https://x.com/vkthakur/status/1921170653207523364
Re: Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis
the Rafiqui Air Base in Jhang district of Punjab province, Pakistan reported attack on it back then itself.