Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

[Cain Marko]

Pakis were claiming in the initial days that their AA missiles were course corrected mid air by SaaB eyries to hit IAF jets. I would not believe anything coming from Pakis.

Their PL15 E apparently has course correction capability "The hybrid guidance system supports a mid-course two-way datalink led by AEW&C aircraft and autonomous terminal radar homing" according to wiki.

Okay. This does not make sense to me. From what I understand:
Accurate targeting data is only possible via x band fcr, which aew planes don't have. Normally such accurate tracks are done via the fighter aircrafts own radar, which it also uses to update the missile via a data link. Otherwise everyone would just stick a boatload of aams on aew planes.

If a fighter radar is handing off coordinates via data link to aew and then getting the aew to provide mid course guidance via data link to the missile, then this is a rather round about way of doing things. Why doesn't the fighter jet simply provide updates to the pl15 directly via it's own data link?

Where is Karan when you need him?

[Aditya G]

https://x.com/avs_IND/status/1929069976 ... 9CaJQ&s=19

The below photo is from the above link. So if photo is real then officially we hadn't done any surgical strike before the year 2016. The context is Congress claiming six surgical strike during their rule.

We have been doing cross border strikes across LoC forever. The UPA era strikes did take place but are not comparable to 2016 ops

https://x.com/Aditya_G_Social/status/19 ... 4230920338

[prashantsharma]

Updated strike map of Pak land:

https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1929806411178840145

Two things that still puzzle me about the target set
1. The IAF briefing clearly had a before and after pic of a radar site called Arifwala. That is now missing from Detresfa's map.
Neither have i been able to geolocate this radar site. Pls share the lat long if anyone has been able to find it.
2. Paki locals had uploaded videos of huge explosions at Rafiqui airbase. It is incl in the above map, But as yet no one incl Detresfa has done an analysis of satellite imagery to id what was hit or if it was a miss.

[prashantsharma]

Their PL15 E apparently has course correction capability "The hybrid guidance system supports a mid-course two-way datalink led by AEW&C aircraft and autonomous terminal radar homing" according to wiki.

Okay. This does not make sense to me. From what I understand:
Accurate targeting data is only possible via x band fcr, which aew planes don't have.

Is it possible that the AEW mid course updates are providing broad coordinates to the PL-15 to get it into the general vicinity of the target and then the active seeker of the PL-15 anyway takes over for the final phase of the intercept?

[bala]

In a doorknob interview of Lt. Gen Vinod Khandare, former Principal Adviser to Minister of Defence, there is talk about nuclear targets. In a roundabout way the Lt. Gen admits that nuclear targets could have been hit since there was panic in Army staff (who don't panic usually) and prompted them to call the US.

watch around 8:35 onwards in this YT
India Hit Pak Nuke Bases: Arnab’s massive Interview With Ops Sindoor Insider Lt. Gen Khandare
youtube.com/watch?v=9keln-q0S8E

[Cain Marko]

Okay. This does not make sense to me. From what I understand:
Accurate targeting data is only possible via x band fcr, which aew planes don't have.

Is it possible that the AEW mid course updates are providing broad coordinates to the PL-15 to get it into the general vicinity of the target and then the active seeker of the PL-15 anyway takes over for the final phase of the intercept?

That *might" * work perhaps with some lumbering bomber or AEW type aircraft, but vs a fighter? doubtful...

[RCase]

Three Gen discussing the Kirana hills hit and the nuclear threats of Pak
Arnab Goswami for a change has a non-shouting debate with three ex-Gen of the Indian Army:
Lt. Gen Vinod Khandare, Lt. Gen Raj Shukla and Maj Gen. GD Bakshi
Gen Khandare was involved with Op Sindoor and just retired from being a Principal Advisor to the MoD.
- Was Kirana hills on the list of targets?
- Connecting the dots from open sources - earthquakes, radiation sniffer aircraft, boron cargo plane etc. point to potential hit to nuclear sites
- GD Bakshi states that only nuclear facilities that are part of the declared sites are centrifuge sites, research sites etc. and not weapons storage facilities. Weapons storage facilities are fair game.
- GD Bakshi alleges two missiles fired at Delhi and Amritsar could have been potentially nuclear tipped, even though it was later deemed to be conventional warheads.
- Nuke Command and control center being taken out was also instrumental for them to ask for ceasefire.
- Raj Shukla feels that the nuclear sites were not targeted intentionally. Still doesn't explain how they got hit.
- To the question of future nuclear saber rattling of Pak, all agree that the Pakis cannot be trusted even if they sign something on paper.

Debate With Arnab: Pak’s Nuclear Sites Hit, Not Targeted In Operation Sindoor

[ramana]

RCase, Gen GD Bakshi is right. Those were targets and got hit. What was stored is Pakistani perfidy.
They could have included them in list of nuclear sites but didn't.

[ramana]

So Shiv Aroor stated that as per a briefing received by IAF, he was told of 9 confirmed aircraft losses of PAF. Need to wait for the presser.

https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1929556231590428923

Was the briefing by IAF or received by IAF?

[ramana]

Has anybody connected this recent conflict with Gen Paddy's book that he wrote in 2004, 'India Checkmates America'? It is eerily prescient and even mentions Akash at one place. Of course the antagonist in the book is the US but the scenario with India intercepting all its missiles is incredibly similar. I just re-read the book. I won't give away any more spoilers except that the parallels are hair-raisingly familiar.

I highly recommend all of us Jingos read this masterpiece - as a fast-paced work of fiction too, it excels.

Pranam for just today I opened the book again for the current events rang a bell.

[Rishi]

FYI Sushant Singh in his paywalled essay on op Sindoor in Caravan (June 2025 ed) says:

"Officials in the Indian military told me that all the IAF’s losses had been caused by Pakistani air defences"

Taking this at face value, does it then means that

1. HQ9 has been networked with Eyrie
2. Was kept close to border for sniper shot positions (they anticipated our tactics and RoE)
3. J10s lobbed PL15s beyond range to create the same BVR grind dance done in 2019 while HQ9s were launched ? (Was there any HQ9 debris found in India?)

The no a2a kill part was confirmed a while back by Snehesh Phillip of the print. All the informed speculation points to a lack of DEAD for the sake of surprise rather than any ROE limitations. I guess we will have to wait for the IAF's long rumoured briefing to happen for more details.

Gen HS Panag also says the same on May 14:

The IAF’s air packages were operating relatively closer to the border, to give the enemy air defence less time to intercept the air-to-ground missiles. As a result, they came in the range of Pakistan’s HQ-9 air defence system. The same was true for the PAF fighters coming in the much longer range of the S-400. It’s evident that IAF had some losses in the air, as indicated by Air Marshal AK Bharti in the tri-services briefing. He also claimed that the IAF had shot down an unspecified number of PAF planes.

It is my assessment based on open sources, that both sides lost a few aircraft primarily due to air defence. Results of air-to-air engagement are speculative due to targeting at and beyond maximum ranges. I have omitted the actual figures for security reasons.

https://theprint.in/opinion/india-infli ... h/2626200/

[Vayutuvan]

In other words, without corroboration why should I believe anything in a Paki dossier, even if it is positive for India?

This viewtopic.php?p=2650573#p2650573 is why! Parts of this narrative might have had come to pass hence Paki dossier strikes list is a superset of India strikes list.

[bala]

After destruction of its nuclear command and control centers and nuclear storage facilities, Pak land is effectively nuke nude. The number of personnel lost in such facilities cannot be replaced easily since there is much training involved. I am sure some Chinese and perhaps even US people died in the India strike. The only recourse for Pak land is to announce that it is giving up the nuclear option completely and stop wasting precious money on such things. Just declare that Pak is nuke nude. The US & China have to give up their munna and not oppose India with their silly concocted BS of nuclear deterrent. Indian leadership and top armed brass don't believe it either. China's AD and aircrafts are rubbish maal not worth anything except the scrap heap. Right now with India's AD strength the IA & IAF can walk into 200+ kms of Tibet territory unopposed and China cannot do a damn about it, a few brahmos unloaded at strategic locations will do the trick. The PLA is not ready to fight any wars and Emperor is missing from leadership. Same with Pak land, their leadership panicked big time.

[williams]

After destruction of its nuclear command and control centers and nuclear storage facilities, Pak land is effectively nuke nude. The number of personnel lost in such facilities cannot be replaced easily since there is much training involved. I am sure some Chinese and perhaps even US people died in the India strike. The only recourse for Pak land is to announce that it is giving up the nuclear option completely and stop wasting precious money on such things. Just declare that Pak is nuke nude. The US & China have to give up their munna and not oppose India with their silly concocted BS of nuclear deterrent. Indian leadership and top armed brass don't believe it either. China's AD and aircrafts are rubbish maal not worth anything except the scrap heap. Right now with India's AD strength the IA & IAF can walk into 200+ kms of Tibet territory unopposed and China cannot do a damn about it, a few brahmos unloaded at strategic locations will do the trick. The PLA is not ready to fight any wars and Emperor is missing from leadership. Same with Pak land, their leadership panicked big time.

IMO the problem is not Paki nukes. The problem is the fact US and China want to keep their munna in life support to play strategic chess with us. Our problem is time. We need few more years to become Atmanirbhar in technology and finance. Op Sindoor phase 1 is short but a mortal strike on the Pakis. Op Sindoor phase 2 will be to see the slow implosion of Pakis and making sure the broken pieces are managed to our advantage. America with its unsustainable debt and China with their unsustainable polity is going to implode one way or the other. Here again, we need to make sure the effects of it is minimal on us. That is the strategic calculus I can glean from open source on why India did not go for a complete destruction of Paki infrastructure, when they had the chance.

[Vayutuvan]

He ran for UN Secretary General. Probably IS a pleasure trip for him meeting old friends.

I remember. The US was against his candidacy. He is looking for a way out of the fix he in now. He is finished with INC. BJP will use him but he will neither be trusted not be given a powerful position. He might be hoping that BJP govt. will propose his name for Secy General of the UN so that he can preen on the international stage and in his natural environment of NYC and Geneva spilling Champagne, getting babes to swoon at his debonair suavity, sophistry ... err ... sophistication, and charm. He is single now. Must be having a difficult time in "conservative" India where he is always under the microscope and have to keep up his "good boy" persona.

[gakakkad]

^ Imtiaz Gul claims chaklala under yank control .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busine ... 2025-06-02

[bala]

The problem is the fact US and China want to keep their munna in life support to play strategic chess with us. Our problem is time.

Of these two I would focus on China. China currently is the most vulnerable (Emperor is missing for many days!) and is a direct threat to India. The US we can't take on due to various factors.

My focus is not on Pak land. If As I am Manure had not cried to papa DJT, Pak land would have been completed devastated by the precision missile strike of IAF. It would have hastened their breakup into 4 parts or more.

My entire focus is on China and taking out the 200+km of Tibet. With HQ-9 proven to be useless, India can quickly move the International boundary in himalayan plateau, taking away the sources of all rivers, cutting of shaksgam valley and areas north, the brahmaputra river flow north of nepal/bhutan areas. Lhasa can be left alone. IA and IAF can do the job in 1 day, disable the HQ-9, a bevy of brahmos into the command & control centers, airbases/runways, army bases, with IA following up asking the PLA 1 child army fellows to surrender and taking control of the tibetian road network. Su-30 MKI and Rafales ensuring complete Air superiority. China can't do much. For India it solves a host of issues including cutting of China's CPEC, no direct link to Pak or Afghanistan, passage to Xinjiang is blocked from the south.

[madhu]

April 22:

Lashkar-e-Tayyaba’s local outpost, The Resistance Front or TRF, attacks Indian tourists in Pahalgam, J&K, and kills 26 civilians.

Diplomatic Engagements:
• PM Modi called US President
• PM met Saudi Crown Prince

April 23

India: CCS meeting :

• Indus Water Treaty placed in abeyance.
• Strengthened diplomatic missions (30 personnel).
• Pakistani military diplomats were declared persona non grata.
• SAARC visa scheme for Pakistan cancelled.
• Wagah-Attari border to be closed.

Pakistan:

• Issues warning that any military retaliation would be deemed an act of war.
• BSF Soldier captured by Pakistan

Diplomatic Engagements:

• PM Modi called Australia PM, Nepal PM, Maritius PM, US Vice-President

April 24– Rising Hostility

Pakistan: tit-for-tat measure :

• Cancelled Indian visas.
• Ordered the evacuation of Indian nationals.
• Closed airspace to Indian aircraft.
• Halted all trade.
• The Pakistani Railway Minister issued nuclear threats. Warned India against diverting Indus water (deemed it as an act of war). Threatened to cancel the Shimla Accord.

Diplomatic Engagements:

• UN and US: Urge both nations to de-escalate.
• EAM S Jaishankar called France FM
• PM called Israel PM, Jordan King, Japan PM, France Prez, Italy PM, Egypt Prez

April 24–

Pakistan

• initiated ceasefire violations across the LoC

Diplomatic Engagements:

• PM Modi called Netherlands PM Schoof, UK PM Starmer, Sri Lankan President Dissanayake

April 25

Pakistan

• PM Shehbaz Sharif: Threatened “full-force” response if India diverted water, will be considered “an act of war.”
Diplomatic Engagements:
• Iran Offered to mediate.
• EAM call with FM Egypt FM
• PM Called UAE Prez, Iran Prez

April 30 – Countdown to Strikes

Pakistan:

• Continues nightly ceasefire violations.
• DG ISPR Claim: Pakistan’s government alleges India is preparing for a military operation within 36 hours
• Pak Defense Minister on terrorist networks in Pakistan: “We have been doing this dirty work for the United States for about 3 decades... That was a mistake, and we suffered for that."

May 3

Pakistan:

• Test-fired a ballistic missile (Abdali).

India:

• Cut off all mail and trade routes.
• Banned Pakistani vessels from Indian ports.
• Prohibiting their ships from entering Pakistani waters.
• A Pakistani ranger was captured by India.

May 6

India:
• India Bans: Pakistani social media, YouTube, podcasts, music.

Night of May 6 to early hours of May 7:

• Operation Sindoor: Indian Armed Forces strike targets and destroy nine terrorist camps in Pakistan and PoK.
Targets of Operation Sindoor: (1.28 am: to 1.51 am)

• Indian Armed Forces respond to Pakistan’s unprovoked mortar and artillery fire across the LoC to bring it to a halt.

May 7

Early May 7:

Pakistan:

• Pakistan begins heavy shelling across LoC in Poonch, hitting near Christ School (killing two students, injuring parents) and a Christian Convent of nuns (damaging infrastructure).
• Pakistan launches an attack on a Gurdwara in Poonch and homes of Sikh community members in J&K. Fatalities are reported, including the religious musician of the Gurdwara.
• Pakistan also increases intensity of unprovoked firing across the LoC in Kupwara, Baramulla, Uri, Poonch, Mendhar, and Rajouri sectors in J&K, India, using mortar and heavy-caliber artillery. This results in 16 civilian deaths and 59 injuries in India by May 8.

Around 8.30 pm IST on May 7:

Pakistan:

• Pakistan attempts unprovoked drone and missile attacks on multiple Indian military targets (Avantipura, Srinagar, Jammu, Pathankot, Amritsar, Kapurthala, Nal, Jalandhar, Ludhiana, Adampur, Bathinda, Chandigarh, Falaudi, Uttarlai, and Bhuj).

India:

• These are neutralised by India.

May 8:

Pakistan:

• Pakistan escalated firing across LoC using Mortars and heavy-calibre Artillery in areas in Kupwara, Baramulla, Uri, Poonch, Mendhar, and Rajouri sectors in Jammu and Kashmir.
• Emergency meeting chaired by PM Shehbaz Sharif, Pakistan authorizes armed forces to take action after strikes on account of ‘violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty.’
• Mock drills in Pakistan: Rawalpindi, Murree, Jhelum, Chakwal, Sargodha, Narowal, Gujranwala, Hafizabad, Sialkot, Sahiwal, Multan, Muzaffargarh.
• Launches drone strikes targeting Amritsar, Jammu, Srinagar, and other Indian locations.

India: Strikes back,

• destroying Pakistan’s HQ-9 air defense system and targeting cities including Lahore and Islamabad.
• Indian drone strikes on 9 Pakistani cities.

Diplomatic Engagements:

• US Secretary Rubio talks to Pakistani PM, followed by EAM Jaishankar; calls for deescalation.
• Saudi Arabia: Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir met with EAM Jaishankar.
• Iran FM Dr. Abbas Araghchi hold meeting in Delhi with Jayshanker ; EAM points to Cooperation with Iran, briefs about Pahalgam terror attack, & India's 'very very firm response' if Pakistan engages in military action.
• PM Modi chaired a high-level national security review.

May 9

Diplomatic Engagements:

• Back-channel talks: US holds high-level calls with both nations
• Turkey: President Erdogan talks to Pak PM: “We value Pakistan’s proposal for an international investigation into the heinous terrorist attack in Jammu and Kashmir.
• Pakistan FM Dar speaks to Turkish FM Hakan Fidan.
• IMF bailout for Pakistan is approved.

Pakistan:

• military violates Indian airspace multiple times along the entire western border;
• fires heavy-caliber weapons along LoC.
• Pakistan used commercial airspace as a shield.
• Approximately 300-400 Pakistani drones (possibly ASISGUARD SONGAR of Turkey) attempt intrusion at 36 locations from Leh to Sir Creek.
• Pakistani armed UAV attempts targeting of Bathinda military station. This is neutralised by India.
• Pakistani artillery shelling and armed drone use across LoC at Tangdhar, Uri, Poonch, Mendhar, Rajouri, Akhnoor, and Udhampur in J&K causes Indian Army casualties or injuries.

India :

• Armed Forces bring down a number of Pakistani drones using kinetic and non-kinetic means.
• Indian retaliatory fire in response to Pakistani shelling across LoC causes losses to the Pakistan Army.

Intervening night of May 9-10:

Pakistan:

• Pakistan launches Operation: Buryan ul Marsoos against India
• Pakistan closes its airspace.
• Aggressive action by Pakistan Army on the entire western front (UCAV, drones, long-range weapons, loitering munitions, fighter aircraft) targets Indian military infrastructure and civilian areas.
• Pakistan makes air intrusion and harassment attack attempts at over 26 locations from Srinagar to Naliya. These result in limited damage to equipment/personnel at IAF stations Udhampur, Pathankot, Adampur, Bhuj.
• Pakistan targets of medical centres and school premises at Indian air bases of Srinagar, Avantipura, and Udhampur.
• Pakistan shells Rajouri town, killing Additional District Development Commissioner Shri Raj Kumar Thapa.
• Pakistani action damages property and causes injuries to civilians in Ferozepur and Jalandhar (India).
• Pakistan continues drone intrusions and heavy artillery/mortar/small-arm shelling in Kupwara, Baramulla, Poonch, Rajouri, and Akhnoor sectors (India).
• 1.40 am IST on May 10: Pakistan conducts high-speed missile attack(s) attempting to target airbase(s) in Punjab, India.

India:

• Indian armed drones launch at four air defense sites in Pakistan (in response to Pakistani attacks); destroys one AD radar.

May 10:

India:

• CDS meeting with Defence Minister Rajnath Singh.
• PM Modi chairs high-level meeting in Delhi.
• Indian Armed Forces carry out precision attacks on identified Pakistani military targets: technical infrastructure, command and control centres, radar sites, weapon storage areas at Rafiqui, Murid, Chaklala, Rahim Yar Khan, Sukkur, and Chunian (Pakistan) using air-launched precision weapons from fighter aircraft.
• India reportedly dropped a bomb into a 45 cm HVAC vent of an underground C4I facility in Noorkhan, vaporizing everyone inside.
• India targets radar sites at Pasrur and Sialkot aviation base (Pakistan) using precision munitions.
• Indian Army responds to Pakistani shelling along LoC, causing damage to Pakistan Army.
• Suspicious movement near Nagrota Military Station; Exchange of fire with suspect; sentry injured; search ops underway.

Pakistan:

• Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif now says no meeting of the National Command Authority, 3 hours after reports of such a meeting.
• Pakistan PM Shehbaz Sharif meets President Asif Ali Zardari.
• Pak FM Dar confirms: "Pakistan and India have agreed to a ceasefire with immediate effect."
• At around 8:00 PM, Pakistan violates the agreement using drones; India neutralizes all aerial threats.

Diplomatic Engagements:

• Saudi Arabia: FM Farhan spoke to Indian and Pakistani foreign ministers again; called for de-escalation and an end to military confrontation.
• US Secretary of State Rubio calls Pakistan Army Chief Munir; the US readout states, "offered U.S. assistance in starting constructive talks and finding ways to de-escalate.”
• Donald Trump announces a ceasefire in a Tweet: "India, Pakistan have agreed to 'full & immediate ceasefire'"
• US Secretary Rubio also tweets: "Pleased to announce the Govts of India, Pakistan have agreed to an immediate ceasefire."

Back channel:

• After back-channel efforts, India and Pakistan DGMOs agree to halt hostilities at 3:35 PM.
• At 5:30 PM IST, India announces an understanding to cease military action.

May 14

• Indian BSF soldier and Pakistan Ranger returned to their respective countries

[ramana]

Madhu, Thank you. Truly appreciate it.

[Cyrano]

Excellent summary Madhu garu!

[bala]

After being whupped thoroughly, PM Sharif is hiding behind peace maker DJT, enjoy this nonsense:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1930075834649587792

Shehbaz Sharif: “Given the economic progress India claims to have made, war would be a complete disaster for them. The destruction would be India’s to bear; we’re already in a struggling phase, so we’re prepared for any scenario.”

[sanjaykumar]

This is a common hope of Pakistanis.

Hope that India's success tempers their actions. Well we saw how restrained Modi was.

I have to use Modi. India under someone else would be bumbling through this one as well. If Pakistan wants India to be set back 20 years, they need to make sure every Muslim in India votes for Rahul Gandhi.

[rajkumar]

If Pakistan wants India to be set back 20 years, they need to make sure every Muslim in India votes for Rahul Gandhi.

They are already doing this helped by a load of colonized Hindu's

[RCase]

Shehbaz Sharif: “Given the economic progress India claims to have made, war would be a complete disaster for them. The destruction would be India’s to bear; we’re already in a struggling phase, so we’re prepared for any scenario.”

Translation:
"We're already in a struggling phase" | Begging is in our DNA. We will keep begging worldwide, always.
"war would be a complete disaster for them. The destruction would be India’s to bear"| India better watch out, they will also be targeted for our begging.
"we’re prepared for any scenario."| For the katora, we are ready to adopt any father (including India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Maldives )

[bala]

A more deeper dive on the 80 hour war that India conducted on Pak land is presented by Aadi Aachint.

Pakistan Nukes were Hit no doubts with massive Pakistan losses exposed to the world - Kirana Hills, Chaghai Hills, drone action and more are talked about. Skardu information is explosive: Chinese are involved in Skardu with J-10 and Rus IL-78 refuelling aircraft with transmission antennas transmitting stuff to Chengdu eastern command center. Signals from X Corps indicate Indian planes flying over Skardu. Pak tried to attack Thoise, Ladakh which was thwarted in its tracks. Sites hit by India include Chaghai, Sargodha, Kirana, Nur Khan, Bholari, Jacobabad, Murid and more. BSF destroyed 118 Pak posts.

The principal advisor to ministry of defence, India, Lt. Gen Vinod Khandare, clearly says Kirana got hit and if Pak land had not dialed US then India would have continued the destruction of Pak land. Pak land had to call Delhi twice to stop the beating that India was handing to them. PM Sharif openly said to the world that Brahmos missiles hit them. Karachi has had 26 earthquakes in 4 days. Indian intelligence is pointing the finger at ISI Major General Muhammad Shahab Aslam as the person behind the Pahalgam massacre. Water is down 50% at Mangla and Tarbela dams and there is sudden decrease of Chenab waters, good luck on the kharif crops of Pak land.

Apparently the Chinese are making their own moves: they offered loan in their own currency to Pak land and sent a delegation to talk with BLA bypassing Islamabad. China is also facing poor PR on their weapons and equipment. Some Chinese PLA analyst are surprised with S-400 performance since they have a simplified version of Russia's S-400, maybe a slightly improved S-300 pawned off by the Russians. India has integrated the S-400 into their AD system and used it to effectively down the Pak missiles thrown at India.

The Indian trade team negotiating with US is insisting to put Pak land on terrorism list and also YouAnus needs to go in BD.

Pakistan Nukes were Hit, Pakistan Losses Exposed, Kirana Hills, Changi Hills, Drone Action

[williams]

....

Lot of good information for the jingo heart sir. Thank you!!

[Ashokk]

Aviation Regulator Pulls Up Turkish Airlines Over Safety Violations

New Delhi:

The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) found multiple safety violations in Turkish Airlines operations during surprise inspections carried out between May 29 and June 2 at four major Indian airports - Delhi, Hyderabad, Chennai, and Bengaluru.

The inspections, conducted under international aviation rules, focused on the airline's passenger and cargo flights to check compliance with Indian and global safety standards, the Civil Aviation Ministry said in a statement today.

The rules fall under Article 16 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation (ICAO).

One of the major lapses was reported at Bengaluru airport, where the marshaller - the person guiding aircraft on the ground - was found untrained and without a 'competency card' to do the task.

In another serious breach, a technician, instead of a certified aircraft maintenance engineer (AME), handled the aircraft's arrival checks. This goes against aviation safety norms. Airworks, the authorised service provider, was not present at the time.

Cargo checks found that Turkish Airlines was carrying dangerous goods, including explosives, without mandatory permission from the DGCA. The required documents were either missing or incomplete.

Ground handling practices also raised red flags. There was no formal service-level agreement (SLA) between Turkish Airlines and its ground handling partner, Globe Ground India, at Hyderabad and Bengaluru airports.

Equipment such as ladders, trolleys, and power units were found with no clear record or accountability.

Following these findings, the DGCA directed Turkish Airlines to take immediate corrective action and comply fully with ICAO and DGCA regulations. Further inspections will be carried out to ensure continued oversight and passenger safety, the DGCA said.

Turkey's decision to back Pakistan during Operation Sindoor has led to massive outrage in India.

[madhu]

On YouTube people were linking earthquakes to our hitting of Kirana Hills. Now, some are saying the same for the earthquake in Karachi. But how can a bombing of a nuke Store house cause an earthquake? My understanding is it will be extremely secure under a very, very thick wall with lead. Even if we assume we did penetrate it will not explode. Max it turns out to be a dirty bomb. Am I correct?

[Amber G.]

On YouTube people were linking earthquakes to our hitting of Kirana Hills. Now, some are saying the same for the earthquake in Karachi. But how can a bombing of a nuke Store house cause an earthquake? My understanding is it will be extremely secure under a very, very thick wall with lead. Even if we assume we did penetrate it will not explode. Max it turns out to be a dirty bomb. Am I correct?

Earthquakes in Pakistan and the surrounding region are quite common due to natural tectonic activity — especially with the Indian and Eurasian plates interacting. As I’ve said before (see below), all the recent ones (I looked at a few), including the one in Karachi, appear entirely natural.

Also, regarding the Kirana Hills or any potential strike on a nuclear storage site — even in the unlikely case such a facility were hit , nuclear material doesn’t explode like a bomb just because it’s attacked. It’s extremely well-shielded , and without the precise triggering mechanisms, it won’t detonate. At worst (in case of direct hit, and fire/ignition of nuclear fuel, it could become a "dirty bomb" scenario, which is about localized radioactive contamination, not an nuclear explosion or seismic event. (again see my previous posts for details, if interested )

From a nuclear physicist's point of view, any containment breach would have very local effects — likely buried inside and not widely impactful. So linking earthquakes to such strikes isn’t grounded in science.

My previous posts in this dhaga:

( First mention of Earthquake in BRF
It's analysis - this and a few posts later
< more analysis
Can a nuclear warhead detonate from a missile strike?

[williams]

On YouTube people were linking earthquakes to our hitting of Kirana Hills. Now, some are saying the same for the earthquake in Karachi. But how can a bombing of a nuke Store house cause an earthquake? My understanding is it will be extremely secure under a very, very thick wall with lead. Even if we assume we did penetrate it will not explode. Max it turns out to be a dirty bomb. Am I correct?

Kirana Hill is a storage facility for weapons. You are right. Generally, there will be about 1.5 - 2 inch thick lead walls in the bunker to protect against gamma radiation (if that place included nuke warheads). But you cannot secure the whole mountain that way. It will be too expensive. We have confirmed reports that Sargodha airbase got hit hard. It is possible that Kirana Hills (we have some video evidence) that is nearby was not targeted but got hit (I am using Lt Gen Khandare's language). If it did get hit, there would be no nuclear detonation. However, if a fire were to occur and the heat caused a conventional munition to cook off, that would result in mild tremors. Now, 125 km from the Kirana hills is Dera Ismail Khan, where there are some geological fault lines. The theory is the cook-off could have induced larger tremors in the nearby fault line. There is definite evidence that Boron was imported hastily, and that could mean Paki's had a fear of radiation leaks. It may be due to hits at other targets. The number of targets that the DGMO declared on the 10th was less than the actual number of targets that got hit. For some reason, DGMO did not officially declare those targets, but Paki dossier shows more, and satellite analysis shows more.

The bottom line is Pakis goose got cooked, and there cannot be two ways about it.

[A_Gupta]

If Pak hit decoys and not the aircraft should decoy debris be findable? Or is the decoy debris of a much smaller quantity?

[Bharat]

On YouTube people were linking earthquakes to our hitting of Kirana Hills. Now, some are saying the same for the earthquake in Karachi. But how can a bombing of a nuke Store house cause an earthquake? My understanding is it will be extremely secure under a very, very thick wall with lead. Even if we assume we did penetrate it will not explode. Max it turns out to be a dirty bomb. Am I correct?

Kirana Hill is a storage facility for weapons. You are right. Generally, there will be about 1.5 - 2 inch thick lead walls in the bunker to protect against gamma radiation (if that place included nuke warheads). But you cannot secure the whole mountain that way. It will be too expensive. We have confirmed reports that Sargodha airbase got hit hard. It is possible that Kirana Hills (we have some video evidence) that is nearby was not targeted but got hit (I am using Lt Gen Khandare's language). If it did get hit, there would be no nuclear detonation. However, if a fire were to occur and the heat caused a conventional munition to cook off, that would result in mild tremors. Now, 125 km from the Kirana hills is Dera Ismail Khan, where there are some geological fault lines. The theory is the cook-off could have induced larger tremors in the nearby fault line. There is definite evidence that Boron was imported hastily, and that could mean Paki's had a fear of radiation leaks. It may be due to hits at other targets. The number of targets that the DGMO declared on the 10th was less than the actual number of targets that got hit. For some reason, DGMO did not officially declare those targets, but Paki dossier shows more, and satellite analysis shows more.

The bottom line is Pakis goose got cooked, and there cannot be two ways about it.

Pakistan army could be just milking the situation to get more aid from USA and Saudi Arabia. They will be careful to not invite a question “are your nukes gone?”… if Saudi or USA believe that Pakistan is no longer an effective nuclear weapons state then lot of “aid” money would go up in the air !

More aid is more money for the general retirement fund ! If Munir wants to stay as COAS, then he could create a jam for promotions through the chain. So more money is required to keep the officers happy. This could also be the reason to indicate more bases got attacked. More on paper repair work is again more money for the local commanding officer !

[Vayutuvan]

We have confirmed reports that Sargodha airbase got hit hard.

gadhe kee sir tan se juda. GKSTSJ.

[Amber G.]

Kirana Hill is a storage facility for weapons...
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The bottom line is Pakis goose got cooked, and there cannot be two ways about it.

Thanks for the useful post...Lot of good information and nice analysis. Allow me to add on one part mentioned in post before yours.

FWIW: Some comments on "Pakistan Nukes" (in addition to what I have put here before):

Some headline here eg "Pakistan Nukes were Hit, Pakistan Losses Exposed, Kirana Hills, Changi Hills"— appears to be misleading (in purely scientific terms) IMO.

Clarifying :
In "Operation Sindoor," targeting several Pakistani military installations. Notably, the Indian Air Force struck airbases such as Nur Khan and Mushaf in Sargodha, as well as radar sites and other military infrastructure . However, Indian officials, including Air Marshal AK Bharti, have explicitly denied targeting the Kirana Hills, a site speculated to house nuclear facilities .

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) also confirmed that there was no radiation leak or incident at any Pakistani nuclear facility during this period, directly refuting rumors of a nuclear mishap at Kirana Hills . So did our own monitoring systems>

Understanding Kirana and Chagai Hills:

The Kirana Hills, located near Sargodha in Punjab province, are known for underground facilities associated with Pakistan's nuclear program . Despite their strategic importance, these sites were not targeted during the recent conflict, according to official statements.

Regarding "Changi Hills," there appears to be a confusion with "Chagai Hills," the site of Pakistan's nuclear tests in 1998. The Chagai Hills are situated in Balochistan province and were not involved in operation Sindoor.

In summary, there is no credible evidence supporting claims that we targeted or compromised Pakistan's nuclear facilities at Kirana or Chagai Hills. Both Indian and international authorities have denied such incidents, and no radiation leaks have been reported. It's advisable to approach such headlines with skepticism and rely on verified information from reputable sources.

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Undisclosed or unacknowledged damage to nuclear material or facilities would be extremely serious, and while official confirmation may not be forthcoming but even form Pakistan, there are several indirect indicators - which can't be hidden - that analysts, nuclear experts, or intelligence agencies watch for. These signs include:

- Radiation Detection (via satellite or international monitoring):

- Elevated radiation levels picked up by satellite-based or ground monitoring stations (e.g., IAEA, CTBTO, and India's DAE' (and some government agencies, and universities in India - about 500 stations in cities across India). India's radiation monitoring systems are very good.

- Sudden atmospheric isotope spikes (like iodine-131, xenon-133) can indicate reactor damage or fission events.

- Thermal Anomalies (unusual heat signatures at known nuclear sites detected by ISRO's infrared satellites)

- Seismic Signals (Subsurface nuclear facilities may produce unique seismic signatures if damaged or attacked. These would differ from natural earthquakes and resemble shallow underground detonations or structural collapses - see some posts here in BRF)

Ityadi .. itydi .. Apart from political/military indications - such as airspace shutdowns around Kirana Hills , Evacuation or Medical response etc..


If a site like Kirana Hills—widely suspected to house Pakistani nuclear assets—was indeed hit and suffered material damage:

- You might see a sudden international radiation alert, even from outside Pakistan.

- There could be sharp political denials, followed by vague mentions of "technical issues".

- China, IAEA, or UAE may be quietly approached for nuclear incident assistance.

- Pakistani or Indian military flights or UAVs might hover around that region much more than usual.

For me ( or using basic nuclear physics) watching for atmospheric samples, thermal surveillance will leave no doubt one way or other.

(BTW - I (and people outside Indian military) can access some radiation data (obviously access is denied for high-resolution, site-specific, or live radiation data )

India’s Environmental Radiation Monitoring Network (ERMN) publishes real-time gamma radiation data from ~500 stations.

[Amber G.]

Pakistani defence minister claims "Pakistan had locked on to 10 Indian jets but only shot down 5 coz Hindustan me maatam chhaa jana tha"

[Sumeet]

6 or 5 ?

Mr Social Media should have been asked to clarify. These guys are beyond hope. Even after surrender of 93K soldiers, loss of country these folks think they still won 1971.

The fundamental issue is their delusional thought that being descendants of muslim invaders they cannot be defeated by hindus. That is why they will never accept defeat.

[RCase]

^^^
Just like their counterpart pappu in India would have said ....
"We could have won over 240 seats in the elections, but decided to only win 99 seats; else the ruling party would have caused havoc".

[Amber G.]

Not making it up ..

Pakistan admits that it was not India but they who reached out to countries begging for ceasefire!

Obviously, we've all come here and engaged on this mission with the hopes that by engaging international partners, just as they convinced Mr. Modi to agree to a ceasefire, [ ] they perhaps can convince the Modi government to agree to a comprehensive dialogue.

— Bilawal Bhutto Zardari at UN HQs

[Amber G.]

हिंदी में कहावत है खून का बदला खून लेकिन यहां था सिंदूर का बदला खून -शशि थरूर

[A_Gupta]

The best take on how not to get entangled in the wrong narrative is a snarky tweet from Anand Ranganathan, imitating Rahul Gandhi:

In reply to PM Modi's tweet congratulating Gukesh D. (chess world champion) defeating Magnus Carlsen (widely acknowledged as the Great Of All Time chess player) in game, Rahul Gandhi tweets "What victory? Gukesh lost a queen, two rooks, two bishops, a knight and six pawns. A Parliamentary committee should be convened."