Pahalgam Terror Attack: News & Discussion

[ramana]

The hunt is still on for the remaining three terrorists in Kashmir.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/nitingokhale/status/1932836714575270331 ---> In my talks, in my writings and in my social media posts, I have contended for several years the fact that US is the most untrustworthy partner. The US behaviour since Pahalgam massacre is not an I-told-you-so-moment, but just a validation of my long-held belief.

[Ambar]

I think it was Nixon who once said that being an enemy of the United States is dangerous, but being a friend can be fatal. Modi may have overplayed his hand with the “Ab ki baar, Trump sarkar” bonhomie, failing to recognize that U.S. foreign policy is driven by cold, calculated realpolitik. The U.S. has no permanent friends or enemies,only interests. If it can threaten to sanction Israel and suspend arms deliveries in the middle of an active conflict, it would have no hesitation in siding with Pakistan if it aligns with its strategic goals.

In the event of a full-scale war with China, we might expect some level of technical or strategic support from the U.S., but outside of such scenarios, DC often acts counter to our long-term interests not wanting us to grow beyond a certain size militarily, politically and economically.

Trump, in particular, seems to admire authoritarian “strongmen” and rarely misses an opportunity to praise the likes of Xi Jinping or Putin for their supposed toughness and strategic acumen. Despite India being among the earliest and most eager countries to pursue a trade deal with the Trump administration often bending over backwards to accommodate U.S. demands, we received little in return except tariffs and thinly veiled threats.

[Aditya_V]

This is not Modi or anyone, US is going to attack Iran mode, Asim Munir is being treated as Musharraf was 23-24 years back, and logically Turkey, Qatar and Pakistan is where American Airforce fighter logistics will happen, apart US Navy and Diego García.

[Prem Kumar]

1) Superficial praise aside, I don't think Modi committed too much into the US relationship. Arms Imports have increased, to keep our options open. But Modi is far more clever than we give him credit for

2) It is not the WH but the State Dept, Pentagon & CIA who are rolling out the red carpet to Munir. That Trump silently acquiesced to this means that he is losing the war against the Deep State

3) Its possible that;
a) We might have hit some US assets that were operating in PAF airbases. Hence, the knee-jerk reaction once we hit 11 of them in 30 minutes. The US had not factored this in and lost some assets

b) They are planning something in Iran and hence need Paki airbases

4) Coming in the heels of 27 Indian widows & initial show of support for India's anger, this volte-face will not be forgotten by India. The distrust of US has just deepened, because the Pahalgam wound is raw. To most Indians, Munir is like Osama. The Pahalgam attack happened a week after he vowed to hit India - he literally has blood on his hands and most Indians know it. We might have even had plans to take him out (we might still do that). To fete him like this is a grave insult that Indians won't forget easily. The US has shot itself in the foot.

[pravula]

I think it was Nixon who once said that being an enemy of the United States is dangerous, but being a friend can be fatal. Modi may have overplayed his hand with the “Ab ki baar, Trump sarkar” bonhomie, failing to recognize that U.S. foreign policy is driven by cold, calculated realpolitik. The U.S. has no permanent friends or enemies,only interests. If it can threaten to sanction Israel and suspend arms deliveries in the middle of an active conflict, it would have no hesitation in siding with Pakistan if it aligns with its strategic goals.

In the event of a full-scale war with China, we might expect some level of technical or strategic support from the U.S., but outside of such scenarios, DC often acts counter to our long-term interests not wanting us to grow beyond a certain size militarily, politically and economically.

Trump, in particular, seems to admire authoritarian “strongmen” and rarely misses an opportunity to praise the likes of Xi Jinping or Putin for their supposed toughness and strategic acumen. Despite India being among the earliest and most eager countries to pursue a trade deal with the Trump administration often bending over backwards to accommodate U.S. demands, we received little in return except tariffs and thinly veiled threats.

Not Nixon, but Henry Kissinger

[Manish_P]

... Modi may have overplayed his hand with the “Ab ki baar, Trump sarkar” bonhomie, failing to recognize that U.S. foreign policy is driven by cold, calculated realpolitik...

The PM is no fool. He is a highly experienced, shrewd politician and is very well aware of American-Indian history.

His policy with the Americans is also driven by cold, calculated transactional realism and his recognized early on that the massaging of the ego of Shri Trump was just something which needed to be done.

[Rakesh]

VIDEO: https://x.com/Incognito_qfs/status/1933028961690247501 --->

Jeffrey D Sachs: American Deep State's target is to "Weaken Russia".

Tucker Carlson: Why do they want to weaken Russia? No one wants to weaken India?

Jeffrey D Sachs: Some day when India succeeds, we will wanna weaken India.

Tucker Carlson: Probably sooner rather than later.

[A_Gupta]

2) It is not the WH but the State Dept, Pentagon & CIA who are rolling out the red carpet to Munir. That Trump silently acquiesced to this means that he is losing the war against the Deep State

Protocol suggests that US COAS would be the one to invite the Pakistani COAS. But Trump had to have approved. Invoking the Deep State for every action of Trump that is anti-India is well, Pakistani.

[LakshmanPST]

This was India's statement---> “Its perpetrators, backers and planners must be brought to justice.”
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Conspiracy Theory Alert--->
USA is technically a backer of Pak Terrorism...
What if the attack on some top secret US stuff in one of the Pak Air Bases was not random happen stance, but intentional...?
What if we wanted to send a "message" to USA as well...?

This message probably pissed off DeepState and is hence doubling down on sucking up to Pak...

[A_Gupta]

My conspiracy theory:

1. US told Pakistan that if there is no Iran nuclear deal they will need use of Pakistan airbases for military action against Iran.

2. Asim Munir realizes that stab in the back of fellow Islamic country will provoke within country backlash. So he needs to buttress his Islamic credentials as much as possible.

3. So Munir gives his foul speech of early April and follows up with a particularly jihadi terrorist attack on India.

4. India breaks the old script with Operation Sindoor and starts degrading the very air base assets that the US will need in case of military action against Iran.

5. US tries to pressure India to stop. India says we stop only when your munna’s army asks to stop. US gets Paki DGMO to ask for cessation of military action.

6. Since India won’t be unhappy if Iran is denied nukes, and because US has asked for no further damage to Pakistan airbases, and because India anyway achieved its objectives India agrees.

7. The US gives H&D cover to Munir letting him claim victory and by planting enough Pakistan brilliant tactic stories in the media.

8. India goes along by claiming fewer successful hits on Pakistan than it actually did, and by retaining ambiguity about Pakistan claimed hits.

9. Even so, on seeing the extent of the Indian inflicted damage and the subsequent delay to the campaign against Iran, the US is mighty angry and displays its displeasure to India and support for Pakistan in many ways.

[dsreedhar]

Did India release audio recording or any evidence of the PAK DGMO requesting for ceasefire? Could it do that or is that against international norms?
It could still be denied in this AI age and call it fake.

[bala]

The conspiracy of Iran and US is being reiterated by Sanjay Dixit in this YT:

Explained with map of US bases. Notice that Pak Sargodha, Jacobabad, Muridke, Nur Khan are South East of Iran whereas the rest on the south western side. Now you understand from a US perspective how important Pak is for their global plans. Iran has publicly stated that if attacked they would target the US bases near them - Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc. Pak is slightly farther away. A double hammering from both sides will put Iran in a poor situation. The US might have warned China to lay of from Iran.

Naturally DJT is displeased with India and his CIA along with the deep state faction briefed him on the enormity of the situation. Munna Pak is therefore praised and felicitated at US. More funds will be given to munna.

Shocking Details of How India Displeased Trump w/ Action on Pak | Iran - Pakistan - America - India

watch: youtube.com/watch?v=hcMTkl39GbU

[Vayutuvan]

My conspiracy theory:

1. US told Pakistan that if there is no Iran nuclear deal they will need use of Pakistan airbases for military action against Iran.
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9. Even so, on seeing the extent of the Indian inflicted damage and the subsequent delay to the campaign against Iran, the US is mighty angry and displays its displeasure to India and support for Pakistan in many ways.

Plausible scenario but please work into this Trump's arm twisting of India on trade. Your theory (C or not) should be able to explain that as well or it doesn't hold water.

[S_Madhukar]

Sir Failed Marshall is being marinated by the Orange in maple syrup and tikka masala with some extra medals as well so that he is next Musharraf with Eyeran. Same old script like Zia. They might even give him Congressional medal later if he does the job of keeping his shalwar on.

I doubt US would have told us of his Eyeran plans. But it has been obvious. Porkies also have plenty of yahoos that can be sent to Eyeran, they will perform better than fizzleya. Fizzleya might even paradrop them as they can’t launch missiles properly!

Namo must have evoked Gandhi and Buddha in WH visit so Orange thought his bombast will work for trade but it didn’t, neither did he get any crypto from Yindoos and additionally Eyeran must have taken a good look at Porki bases just out of curiosity so now his plans is a question mark. Now his only worry will be what we might do if we are fingered again and he is smack in the middle of his ops.

[Roop]

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I like your theory and don't see anything inherently far-fetched or unreasonable about any of your points. They are all reasonable possibilities.