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Germany formally approves Type F127 air-defense frigate program
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... e-program/
20 Dec 2024
The German Bundestag has given its green light for the start of the Type F127 program. These 10,000 tons "frigates" are meant to replace the three in-service F124 Sachsen-class air defense frigates.
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Germany orders four additional Type 212CD submarines from ThyssenKrupp
https://www.ir-ia.com/news/germany-orde ... ssenkrupp/
21 Dec 2024
Germany has formalized a contract with Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) for four additional Type 212CD submarines, bringing the fleet’s total to six. The agreement is part of a joint German-Norwegian submarine program.
Germany orders four more Type 212CD submarines
https://www.joint-forces.com/defence-eq ... submarines
22 Dec 2024
German government orders four more submarines of the Type 212CD for the Bundeswehr from Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems.
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VIDEO: https://x.com/mason_8718/status/1877265296026972233 ---> Congratulations, Egypt.

Egypt will be the first of the 10 countries that operate K9 artillery to have anti-ship capability as a coastal defense purpose. Hanwha Aerospace said it exported 51 K11 fire direction control vehicles and 216 K9A1 SPHs to Egypt, and the K11 was modified for an anti-ship mission. It appears that the K9 has unimaginable potential as I expected. It would be great if Egypt had K239 long-range rocket artillery and K9A2 or K9A3 long-range SPH. K9 proved its anti-ship capabilities in Egypt before the contract. South Korea, Turkey, Poland, Norway, Estonia, Finland, India, Australia, Egypt, and Romania are the current K9 family users.
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Will even the most advanced submarines have nowhere to hide?
https://spectrum.ieee.org/submarine-stealth
16 Dec 2024
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Lockheed Martin Delivers First ASEV AN/SPY-7(V)1 Radar Antenna to Japan
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -to-japan/
15 Jan 2025
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https://maritime-executive.com/editoria ... -submarine

Is Russia Helping China Build a Hybrid-Nuclear Submarine?
worth reading the complete article

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On September 27, 2024, news broke that a previously unreported new type of Chinese nuclear-powered submarine, dubbed the “Type 041,” had suffered a major mishap at its fitting out pier at the Wuchang shipyard in Wuhan, according to unnamed Pentagon sources. Submarine expert Thomas Shugart had previously spotted an unknown submarine with a distinct x-shaped stern at Wuchang Shipyard from satellite imagery taken on 26 April 2024, and days later reported unusual crane activity at the same pier location from June 2024 imagery, speculating that the new boat suffered a serious incident.

Even more intriguing and consequential than the question of whether a submarine incident of some sort actually did occur at Wuchang or not, is however another issue: What type of “nuclear-powered submarine” could this new design possibly be?

China watchers were quick to point out that the Wuchang Shipyard in Wuhan had not hitherto built any nuclear submarines, although the shipyard’s facilities were completely rebuilt at a new location (from 2012-2020) and massively enlarged. All Chinese nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSN) and ballistic missile submarines (SSBN) have so far been constructed exclusively at the Bohai Shipyard at Huludao. The imagery of the new submarine makes it clear it is too small for a SSN, and is similar in size to China’s Type 039A/B/C Yuan series of conventionally powered submarines. Another interesting indicator was the reported type number – “041” – which is a continuation of the traditional numbering scheme carried by China’s diesel-electric submarines. By contrast, China’s nuclear-powered subs, whether SSNs or SSBNs, all have official type numbers starting with “09.” The next-generation Type 095 SSN and Type 096 SSBN are possibly already under construction at the Bohai Shipyard in Huludao, and there is no plausible suggestion that the smaller, unknown boat observed in Wuhan could represent either of those two platforms, given the larger estimated displacement of the Type 095 and Type 096 compared with the previous generation of Chinese SSNs and SSBNs.
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Interestingly, as reported by R.D. Fisher, Rear Admiral Zhao Dengping’s lecture slides described just such a nuclear battery project. Of the presentation slides posted online, three dealt specifically with a small-scale nuclear reactor for conventional submarine platforms. One slide showed a basic schematic diagram that depicted a possible layout of the nuclear-powered electric propulsion plant. The reactor itself is described as a low pressure, low temperature design that employs natural circulation in the primary loop. Steam is generated, however, through an intermediate loop that appears to be in a separate compartment, which is then sent to a secondary loop with a conventional steam driven turbine generator in yet another compartment. While this design suggests an emphasis on safety, it does so at the expense of internal volume requirements and thermodynamic efficiency.
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Some seven years after RADM Zhao’s slides became public, on 24 April 2024, a Chinese news article claimed that, in honor of the 75th birthday of the PLA Navy, a “new nuclear-powered submarine installed with a domestically produced small nuclear reactor” and based on the hull design of the conventionally powered “Type 039C” AIP sub was in development at the Wuchang shipyard in Wuhan. Note, this article came out a mere two days before the satellite images of the shipyard were taken and subsequently analyzed by Tom Shugart. The article compares the new Type 041 submarine design to an enlarged French Rubis class and states that its submerged displacement would be around 4,000 tons and thus larger than the Rubis, allowing it to integrate more capable sensor and weapon systems. The article describes the small auxiliary reactor as a “low-temperature, low-pressure, subcritical nuclear reactor” to “directly charge” the boat’s battery rather than drive the propeller. This describes a nuclear battery AIP system that allows the battery to be charged continuously while the boat is submerged and would eliminate the need to surface every 20 days as in the case of China’s Stirling AIP submarines.

The article goes on to say the first one or two units of the Type 041 would likely be used as prototypes for weeding out technical issues before any further units would be produced. It speculates that if the development is successful, even older conventional submarines could be gradually retrofitted with a nuclear battery AIP system. The article states that this could potentially transform China’s conventional submarine fleet into a fully nuclear-powered fleet. Despite some questionable technical conclusions by the author, the article is consistent with Zhao’s lecture material.
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Airbus signs new study contract to define France's future maritime patrol aircraft
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pres ... e-maritime
04 Feb 2025
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Guess the missile under the centreline pylon of the Rafale M :mrgreen:

https://x.com/ChasseEmbarquee/status/18 ... 9558017499 ---> Catapulting of a Rafale Marine at night, on the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.

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The MIC Master learning from another.

U.S. Congress studies Japan's fixed submarine production schedule
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Defens ... n-schedule
12 March 2025
Building a boat a year, Tokyo adjusts fleet size by adjusting ship retirement age
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The way Korean's are challenging China in commercial shipbuilding and western countries in military ship building is nothing short of extraordinary. They are a high income country now and I see them facing some structural issues in the next few years. How awesome it would be if we could lure Hyundai and other Korean ship building industries to set up a JV in Vizag or Chennai and replicate the process while we give them decent tax subsidies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJkyurhnAQo
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From Attack Class SSK to AUKUS SSN to now Suffren SSN :rotfl:

“The Best Option Remains the Suffren”: Australian Admiral Peter Briggs’s Live Against AUKUS
https://opexnews.fr/aukus-sous-marins-s ... australie/
06 May 2025

In an interview with Point, former Royal Navy Rear Admiral Peter Briggs sounds the alarm: "The AUKUS Agreement on Submarines is a calamitous plan." After participating in the aborted negotiations for French submarines in the 2010s, he now advocates a strategic return to France. Briggs points to the inconsistency of the AUKUS calendar, which provides for a transitional delivery of Virginia-class American submarines while US shipyards are already under stress. “We will not have submarines available in 2031, when we need them, and these submarines will be too big for a country of 27 million people like Australia. This plan, as a whole, goes straight into the wall.”

The difficulties of recruitment, the exorbitant cost of the future British Aukus SSN – three times heavier than the current Collins – and political uncertainty in the United States add to the doubt: “Waiting for Aukus is waiting for a dream.” Faced with these risks, Peter Briggs defends a plan B: relaunching industrial cooperation with France around nuclear attack submarines of the Suffren type, already in service in the French Navy. “France was treated very badly when the Attack Class program was cancelled. She had proposed the Suffren, and we refused. But we need to consider a plan and the best option is the Suffren.”

According to him, the Suffren has decisive advantages: more suitable format, crewed (65 sailors compared to more than 100 for AUKUS), better manoeuvrability in the shallow waters of Australia, and interoperability with NATO standards. The Admiral proposes a pragmatic formula: “France today does not have the capacity to welcome and train our crews. Only the United States can. Our sailors could continue to train with the U.S. Navy and then convert to Suffren, via a short formation in Australia. On the maintenance side, "the Suffren reactor requires recharging every ten years. Nothing insurmountable.”

Built locally, with transfer of know-how and gradual adaptation, the Suffren could restore Australia’s sovereign nuclear submarine capability. As critical voices begin to emerge in Australia’s political debate, including from former Prime Minister Malcolmur Turnbull, Briggs hopes for a strategic uprising: “We will have to pay the price for our mistake of rejecting France in 2021. But it will always be cheaper than AUKUS. For God alone knows what the gigantic British AUKUS SSN will cost. We should soon sit down with France to discuss.”
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^ Well Australia can simply ask to become the 5x th state of the USA. The queen will roll in her grave but Trump will be happy to oblige.
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https://x.com/Schizointel/status/1925367905266344288 ---> Chongjin Shipyard North Korea sinking of the newest Choe Hyon-class of guided missile destroyers (DDGHM) (Second ship in class currently unnamed likely Hull Number 52). Original Statement From KCNA states --->

"The launching ceremony for a newly built 5,000-ton destroyer was held at the Cheongjin Shipyard on May 21. ... A serious accident occurred during the launching of a destroyer. Due to immature command and carelessness in operation during the launching process, the parallel movement of the bogies (drydock sleds) could not be guaranteed, which resulted in the launching sled in the stern being released first and becoming stranded, the ship's balance being destroyed by a dent in the bottom of some sections, and a serious accident occurring in which the bow section could not be released from the stern."

The first ship of the class the Choe Hyon Hulk Number 51 was built in Nampo shipyard where it is currently stationed and has been conducting live fire testing. The accident in question that occurred today in Chongjin is very unlikely to be the Choe Hyon itself and very likely is yet to be named second ship of the class. To breakdown and explain why it is the second ship of the class, here is what the statement said:

Event: A 5,000-ton (Chow Hyon Class DDGHM) destroyer was launched at Chongjin Shipyard.

Accident: A major mishap occurred during the launch.

Cause: The operation suffered from poor command and technical errors, specifically a failure to synchronize the movement of the bogies/drydock sleds.

Effects:
- The stern sled detached too early and got stuck.
- This disrupted the ship's balance. The hull was dented in places.
- The bow could not separate or launch correctly.

Result: Disruption of ships balance during the launching ceremony caused a rupture in the stern end of the hull and caused the vessel to take on water and rapidly capsize. The contributing factors to this capsize was extreme stress placed on the stern of the vessel during the launch and the bow was unable to properly detach from the sleds.
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https://x.com/osc_london/status/1925465203187085693 ---> North Korea’s latest naval destroyer has been significantly damaged prior to its launch. In a rare acknowledgment, North Korea's state news agency KCNA reported yesterday an incident occurred with a new destroyer in Chongjin, which was close to being launched.

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French Navy Offers Sneak Peek Of Its Future Carrier Air Wing
https://www.twz.com/air/french-navy-off ... r-air-wing
22 May 2025
France is interested in first procuring a stealthy flying-wing UCAV to fight alongside its Rafales, then getting fighter-like collaborative drones.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/trump- ... 025-06-11/

AUKUS submarine pact being reviewed.

In the immortal words of Nelson Muntz : Ha Ha!
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Tanaji wrote: 12 Jun 2025 04:01 https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/trump- ... 025-06-11/

AUKUS submarine pact being reviewed.

In the immortal words of Nelson Muntz : Ha Ha!
Have fun Aussies! :rotfl:
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Japanese Mogami Class frigate docks in Darwin amid push for $10 billion Australian defence contract
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-10/ ... /105393954
09 June 2025
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:rotfl: The gyan being given by the MUTUs of BRF is that America is always a reliable supplier of military equipment. Ab Kya Hua?

https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1933061401720795499 ---> Australia 🤡 after backstabbing France for AUKUS.

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