Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

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India has overtaken Japan to become the 4th largest economy, says NITI Aayog CEO citing IMF data

"We are the fourth largest economy as I speak. We are a USD 4 trillion economy as I speak, and this is not my data. This is IMF data,” said NITI Aayog CEO BVR Subrahmanyam

https://www.livemint.com/economy/india- ... 53542.html
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^^^^ From Times Of India

Explained in charts: India to become 4th largest world economy soon. What's the road ahead to No.3 spot?
India will become the world’s fourth largest economy by the end of 2025 (FY 2025-26), according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF’s) World Economic Outlook report for April 2025. The IMF measures the size of an economy in nominal GDP terms.

A few years ago, India overtook the United Kingdom to become the fifth largest, and is now well on its way to rise to the fourth spot in the list of the top 10 largest economies in the world by overtaking Japan.

To become the world’s fourth largest economy is no mean feat - India has gone from being the 10th largest in 2014 to 4th largest in 11 years under the Modi government. Its Gross Domestic Product or GDP has more than doubled in this time frame. How has the Indian economy achieved this remarkable growth? Why does the per capita GDP number present a sombre picture? And what’s the road ahead for India to become a $5 trillion economy, and the world’s third largest?

India's Astounding Growth in Numbers: Top 5 Points

In 2025, India will become the 4th largest economy in the world, in nominal GDP terms, overtaking Japan, and will be behind only the US, China, and Germany.

India’s nominal GDP has more than doubled from 2014 to 2025 (projected). It’s a growth of 105% in just a decade. In 2025, India will also become a $4 trillion economy

India was the 10th largest world economy in 2014 - come 2025 it will be the 4th largest - a six places jump in rankings in just 11 years!

In a world of increasing global economic uncertainties, and amidst geopolitical conflicts and Donald Trump’s tariffs, India will still retain the tag of being the fastest growing major world economy with a GDP growth rate of 6.2% for 2025.
India achieved an average annual growth rate of 6.7% from 1990–2023 & in fact outpaced the US (3.8%), Germany (3.9%), and Japan (2.8%).

Also Read | Explained: Why India is well positioned to deal with negative effects of Trump’s tariffs & top reasons it will be at an advantage

What’s worked for India?

India has been on the reform path in the last few years, with several major initiatives like the Goods and Services Tax, Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code, digitalization, manufacturing sector push paving way for sustained economic growth. Experts also say that prudent fiscal and monetary policies have provided the foundation for a stable GDP growth.

Sachchidanand Shukla - Group Chief Economist, L&T believes that India is one of the top players in the global growth league table today.

“It is a result of structural reforms, policy continuity, and leveraging demographic and digital advantages. Key factors also include reforms such as: Goods and Services Tax, Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code, Production-Linked Incentive and increased spending on infrastructure especially roads, railways, energy & defence,” he tells TOI.

While the Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code has significantly improved the health of the banking sector in India, the Goods and Services Tax is widely seen as the biggest indirect tax reform since independence. India’s GST collections in April hit a record all time high of Rs 2.37 lakh crore!

Radhika Rao, Senior Economist at DBS Bank says that India’s trend growth continues to gain traction, strengthened by catalysts like investments into physical infrastructure, emphasis on improving human capital, streamlining direct subsidy transfers to beneficiaries, productivity gains from digitalisation, widening footprint in high value-added sectors including semiconductors, and expanding presence in global value chains.

“Equity markets have provided corporates with growth capital for investments, besides active participation of banks, private capital, and efforts to deepen the domestic corporate debt market,” she tells TOI.

Ranen Banerjee, Partner, Government Sector Leader at PwC India explains that the positive cycle of a large young population has supported the continued consumption growth feeding into per capita income increase and consequently further boosting consumption. “This has helped and will continue to help in the growth of the Indian economy,” he tells TOI.

The services sector growth leading to large employment in the ITES sector has led to a significant increase in middle income families further aiding growth.

The sobering picture

India may become the world’s 4th largest this year, but with the highest population in the world, its per capita GDP remains abysmally low.

In fact, India doesn’t even rank in top 100 countries when it comes to GDP per capita, not even in the Purchasing Power Parity or PPP rankings.

A large population (1.4 billion) dilutes gains of the GDP doubling. Also, informal employment (~90% of workforce) and low female workforce participation (26% vs. global 47%) limit per capita gains, says Sachchidanand Shukla.

Still, the per capita income has close to doubled over the last 10 years. “That is keeping pace with the overall GDP growth as the population growth is slowing down with fertility rates going close to the replacement rate of 2.2. However, there are regional disparities owing to differential population growth rates as well as pace of economic development,” says Ranen Banerjee.

Road Ahead: More reforms, reforms, reforms

India will realise its dream of becoming a $5 trillion economy in 2027 and the world’s third largest in 2028 by overtaking Germany. But to be on the path of stable and sustained economic growth, experts stress on the need for continuous reforms.
PwC’s Ranen Banerjee advocates for reforms that enable private enterprise to do business without the fear by decriminalising regulatory compliances with application of technology to support in compliances.

“Progressive labour reforms incrementally to allow for greater acceptance of the changes should be the way forward making these changes in special business enclaves. A disproportionate investment in skilling will be key to make the youth employable as it will lay the foundation of social stability and prosperity,” Ramen Banerjee says.

“Enabling exports through common facilities for quality outputs by MSMEs and continued investment in infrastructure to bring down logistics cost and enhance evacuation capabilities will be needed,” he adds.

L&T’s Shukla says, “Going forward India will need to undertake deep agricultural reforms, labour reforms, education & skilling at a scale along with judicial administrative & police reforms,” he says.


Radhika Rao of DBS Bank sees the need to focus on employment generation. “Wheels of the structural engine will require to be oiled by keeping the development and reform agenda on track. Quality of growth is also likely to improve as macro balances remain in check alongside a changing trade composition. Lifting employment generation and by extension boosting incomes will be the vital objective for the administration in the rest of its term,” she says.

There is little doubt that India is amongst the most important markets for all economies globally including the US and China. A stable political scenario at the central government level over the last 11 years along with continued reforms have bolstered global investors’ confidence. But for the fruits of this growth to trickle down to the entire population, it is important to ensure employment for the youth and a strong manufacturing sector base for sustained, stable, and reliable economic growth.
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India has a *lot* of growth potential, I see the low per capital figures and extrapolating to at least a middle income country will put it ahead of China. India is only getting started in its growth. It needs further structural reforms. In 50 years India and China will have 50 % world gdp with USA a distant 3rd.

https://time.com/6297539/how-india-econ ... urpass-us/
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Indian economy’s size more than half of US in PPP terms; stands at $15 trillion, says NITI Aayog Vice-Chairman
The Indian economy’s size in Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) terms is $15 trillion which is more than half the size of the US economy, NITI Aayog Vice-Chairman Suman Bery has said. He explained that whilst India's GDP at market prices is $4 trillion, the PPP calculation reveals a $15 trillion economy.

He added that India's economy in PPP terms stands at $15 trillion, whilst the United States maintains $ 29 trillion, indicating that India's economy is approximately half the American economy's magnitude.

PPP represents the number of currency units needed to acquire a collection of goods and services that one unit of the reference economy's currency can purchase.
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E-rupee in circulation grows to Rs 1,000 crore
Mumbai: The value of central bank digital currency (CBDC) or e-rupee in circulation jumped to Rs 1,016 crore at the end of March 2025 from Rs 234 crore in the year-ago period, the Reserve Bank said on Thursday.

The RBI is exploring the commencement of CBDC pilots on cross-border payments, it said in the annual report without giving a timeline.
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I think we will see two significant milestones - 1) Pass Germany to become third largest economy in 1-3 years 2) Surpass USA economy in PPP terms in 10 years or less.
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I think we will see two significant milestones - 1) Pass Germany to become third largest economy in 1-3 years 2) Surpass USA economy in PPP terms in 10 years or less.
fanne ji, Germany is currently at USD 4.7 trn and with a GDP growth rate of 0%... which means we should be overtaking them by Jan 2027 on current projections

In reality a 0% growth rate may actually mean a recession and they are using the 0% number for Hechandee purposes onlee :rotfl: ..
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If you recall the Germans were very worried about India taking over Japanese GDP, more than Japanese. They maybe knowing something more than what we know. We ae growing at 7.5%
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Sounds just like UK… suddenly before elections they find some growth which promptly dissipates after elections ! All jiggery pokery with stats. I wonder who audits their numbers ? Self attested until there is no money to fix potholes :lol:
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VinodTK wrote: 29 May 2025 18:38 Indian economy’s size more than half of US in PPP terms; stands at $15 trillion, says NITI Aayog Vice-Chairman
The Indian economy’s size in Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) terms is $15 trillion which is more than half the size of the US economy, NITI Aayog Vice-Chairman Suman Bery has said. He explained that whilst India's GDP at market prices is $4 trillion, the PPP calculation reveals a $15 trillion economy.

He added that India's economy in PPP terms stands at $15 trillion, whilst the United States maintains $ 29 trillion, indicating that India's economy is approximately half the American economy's magnitude.

PPP represents the number of currency units needed to acquire a collection of goods and services that one unit of the reference economy's currency can purchase.
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That is outdated. In 2025, India's PPP GDP is $17.6 trillion, as listed here, or almost 60% of the US.

It puts Indian per capita GDP(PPP) at $12,400 - approximately on par with the Philippines, Uzbekistan and Jamaica.

Within 1-2 years India should overtake Sri Lanka as the richest in per capita terms in the subcontinent, not counting Bhutan...
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The Q4 official data is out:
Official Q4 2024-25 GDP data

* Full year GDP growth was 6.5% , but may be revised upward in the 2nd review.
* Q4 growth was 7.4%, coming on the back of 6.4% in Q3 and 5.6% in Q2, meaning there's a strong accelerating momentum post election (Fig 4).
* The past three fiscals registered 9.7%, 7,6% and 9.2% GDP growth, so there's a high base effect here. 6.5% growth on the back of three years averaging almost 9% growth is extremely good, and likely to be scaled up.
* The weaker GDP growth this past fiscal is primarily on account of softness in Q2 and to a lesser extent Q3. This is particularly notable in the secondary sector, which also faced a high base effect (Statement 5) - manufacturing in particular looks very soft, but look at the GVA growth in 2023-24 when it grew in the high double digits and that acts as a high base.
* It's not clear why Discrepancies (Statement 6) remains so high and is a brake on GDP growth.
* Item-level growth (Annexure B ) looks ok, except for the drop in private vehicle sales - any idea why ? - and the surprising drop in railways freight traffic in tonne-kms. I don't know why that's the case. With the DFCs in particular, I expected to see growth.
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Suraj wrote: 30 May 2025 22:31
That is outdated. In 2025, India's PPP GDP is $17.6 trillion, as listed here, or almost 60% of the US.

It puts Indian per capita GDP(PPP) at $12,400 - approximately on par with the Philippines, Uzbekistan and Jamaica.

Within 1-2 years India should overtake Sri Lanka as the richest in per capita terms in the subcontinent, not counting Bhutan...
Correct. Bharat GDP is Germany, Japan, France, and UK put together. The scale of production and domestic consumption ( not to mention informal economy) in Bharat is vast.

The use of $ exchange rates to compare countries is becoming a real joke.
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World Bank for whatever it is worth:
https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/opendata ... 021-ppps-a
Global poverty estimates up to 2023 were updated today on the Poverty and Inequality Platform (PIP), including nowcasted estimates up to 2025. The update includes three main changes to the PIP data (See the What’s New document for more details): First, the update brings new survey data for several country-years, including important updates to data from India; second, it includes the adoption of the 2021 Purchasing Power Parities (PPPs); and third, based on the new PPPs and new survey data, including new national poverty lines, the update revises the global poverty lines.
Long, details of the changes related to India (really long and detailed, only first para is given below.

https://documents1.worldbank.org/curate ... 0a711c.txt
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https://documents1.worldbank.org/curate ... 0a711c.pdf
3. Adjustments to India data

The World Bank is updating the international poverty estimates for India based on the 2022-23 Household Consumption Expenditure Survey (CES), released by the National Sample Survey (NSS) Office after an 11-year gap. The update also involves shifting from 2017 to 2021 Purchasing
Power Parity (PPP). Methodological adjustments have been introduced, with key changes being:

(a) a shift from uniform reference period (URP) to modified mixed reference period (MMRP);

(b) transitioning from an expenditure aggregate to a welfare aggregate better aligned with international best practices on the treatment of lumpy expenses, and the consumption of subsidized items; and

(c) revising the spatial and temporal price deflators, bringing them more in line with other countries.
Some results:
https://pip.worldbank.org/country-profiles/IND

Poverty rate at $3 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 5.25% in 2022
Poverty rate at $4.25 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 24.88% in 2022
Poverty rate at $8.40 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 82.70% in 2022

Again, three year old data - I have not yet spotted the 2025 estimate forecast from the trend data that the World Bank has (it is somewhere there, if you spot it please post).
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Found the "nowcast" page:
https://pip.worldbank.org/nowcasts
Reading off of the graphs there:

Poverty rate at $3 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 3.0% in 2025
Poverty rate at $4.25 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 16.4% in 2025
Poverty rate at $8.40 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 76.1% in 2025

Each 1% of population is 14 million people.

The above is an extrapolation from 2022 data and trends, repeating below the "actuals" from 2022
Poverty rate at $3 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 5.25% in 2022
Poverty rate at $4.25 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 24.88% in 2022
Poverty rate at $8.40 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 82.70% in 2022
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A_Gupta wrote: 07 Jun 2025 22:07 Found the "nowcast" page:
https://pip.worldbank.org/nowcasts
Reading off of the graphs there:

Poverty rate at $3 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 3.0% in 2025
Poverty rate at $4.25 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 16.4% in 2025
Poverty rate at $8.40 a day (2021 PPP) (% population): 76.1% in 2025
Nice find. Very gratifying. (US?) $4.25/day == INR364/day which is 10K PM or 1.2 lac PA. Not bad but still too many people that too unders PPP.
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GST May 2025 collections:
https://cleartax.in/s/gst-collection-may-2025#

"The GST collection report for May 2025 was released on 1st June 2025 by the GST Network. May 2025 GST collection is Rs.2,01,050 crores. May 2025 collection has dropped down as compared to the April 2025 GST collection which was Rs.2,36,716 crores.

The May 2025 GST collection has significantly gone up in comparison with last financial year. However, the gross GST collections for May 2025 amounts to Rs.2.01 lakh crore which is lower than last month’s GST collections. The monthly GST collection for May 2025 shows a growth of 16.4% compared to May 2024 when it was Rs.1.74 lakh crore at 10% Year-on-year (YoY) basis.
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Bhailog, to bring untaxed junta into tax net, would it be feasible to charge 5% TCS on all discretionary spending for eg private vehicles, white goods incld smartphones and services like hotels etc

For anyone who pays IT, the TCS should get auto refunded while rest should not be.
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It is possible of course.

Would be analogous to how interest on NRO accounts or the 1% crypto transaction tax, which can be claimed back when filing a return.

Whether there's political will to do so is another matter. I would think allowing an income tax credit for amount prior paid in GST may be more feasible as it provides an incentive to file a income tax return.
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The recent RBI repo rate cut and bank reserve requirement cut; the analysis suggests that the Indian economy is slowing down seriously.

https://youtu.be/cmcgzqFJFOc?si=01Zx3jKn31AnwOIY

Here's BBC:
India's central bank has lowered interest rates by a deeper-than-expected half a percent - the third cut in a row amid falling inflation and lower growth in Asia's third largest economy.

It also increased the amount of liquidity - or supply of money - available in the system.

The repo rate - the level at which the central bank lends money to commercial banks, influencing borrowing costs for home and car loans - now stands at 5.5%, the lowest in three years.

Explaining the rationale for the cut, RBI governor Sanjay Malhotra said growth is "lower than our aspirations" and the bank felt it was "imperative to stimulate domestic consumption and investment" amid rising global uncertainties.
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Read this ruthless demolition of India’s cabal of economic pessimists


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Not meaning to be a nay-sayer, but it is a cup half full half empty story. I hope Op. Sindoor, etc., do not reduce the Govt focus on improving the working of the economy, so as to unleash growth from the private sector.

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India's net foreign direct investment (FDI) in fiscal year 2024-25 (FY25) plummeted by 96.5% to $353 million, according to the Times of India. This sharp decline is attributed to increased repatriation of capital, higher outward investments by Indian companies, and exits from IPOs. Despite this, gross FDI inflows remain strong, reaching $81.04 billion, a 14% increase from the previous year, according to the Business Today."
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The World Bank Global Economic Prospects issued today June 10) says the world economy will grow at 2.3% this year, and India at 6.3%, both -0.4% below the January 2025 forecast.

Growth is slowing “due to a substantial rise in trade barriers and the pervasive effects of an uncertain global policy environment”.

PDF:
https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/ser ... 58/content
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Air India flight crash near Ahmedabad
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A Boeing 787 Dreamliner with more than 200 souls onboard. Om Shanti to those departed. Its been a terrible few years for the aviation industry.
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India's goods, services exports may cross $900 billion this year: Piyush Goyal
Apex exporters' body FIEO has projected that the country's overall goods and services exports are expected to grow by over 21% year-on-year to $1 trillion during 2025-26. India's goods and services exports during 2025-26 are expected to cross $900 billion despite the global economic uncertainties, Commerce and Industry Minister Piyush Goyal has said.
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X- posting from India US Relations thread.

Mukesh.Kumar wrote: 13 Jun 2025 15:07 El Presidente claims to have reached a satisfactory trade deal with China.

Wool have serious implications on India, EU now.

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