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A_Gupta wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:06 > I often practiced 'दार्दुर यत्र वक्तारः तत्र मौनं हि शोभनम्"' in this dhaga but may be it's time to share this here..
Then the frogs will prevail :)
Frogs can sense rain. How useless.

On the other hand, Jonathan Livingston Seagulls can sense gravity waves and dark matter, they harvest zero-point energy and fly to Mars, Jupiter, using CRISPR mutate themselves to grow gills so that they can swim in the acid lakes of Titan, colonize rings of Saturn, fly to Proxima Centauri at 0.99*C., and even invent machines to create large stable wormholes on demand. Very useful stuff. We have to wait till 20500. :mrgreen:
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A_Gupta wrote: 12 Jun 2025 05:54 > Guptaji: No aukat of being an ice cream eating aunt (don'tknow what it means...

Me neither, Saw it in someone's quote.
tch tch tch. So little imagination and so much ADHD. Many of us here do remember Plastic Pelosi showing her double door freezer full of expensive ice cream while people are dying from Covid.
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Did the Europeans decide to put up a fight?
Pentagon has contingency plans to invade Greenland
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US orders 500K people to leave from 4 countries:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgq7wd7xg2o

This is getting interesting now.
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Trump begins to discover the comprehensive immigration reform that has been talked about since George Bush Jr. times, if not before:

YouTube transcript of Trump presser:
..."today I put out a statement today about farmers our farmers are being hurt badly by you know they have very good workers they've worked for them for 20 years they they're not citizens but they've turned out to be you know great and we're going to have to do something about that we can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have maybe not and you know what's going to happen and what is happening they get rid of some of the people cuz you know you go into a farm and you look and people don't they've been there for 20 25 years and they've worked great and the owner of the farm loves them and everything else and then you're supposed to throw them out and you know what happens they end up hiring the people the criminals that have come in the murderers from prisons and everything else so we're we're going to have a an order on that pretty soon i think we can't do that to our farmers and leisure too hotels uh we're going to have to use a lot of common sense on that
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A_Gupta wrote: 13 Jun 2025 05:03 Trump begins to discover the comprehensive immigration reform that has been talked about since George Bush Jr. times, if not before:
Looks like some people here are not reading long posts with quotes and references to sources on this very same topic. We go round and round. Yes immigration reforms were talked about long before Dubya. Eve temporary bnan aids were applied in lieu of making reforms. Every POTUS tries to reform but ends up getting bogged down in the congress.
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Israel has launched attacks on Iran. Now we know why USA is sucking up to Pakistan.
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saip wrote: 13 Jun 2025 06:25 Israel has launched attacks on Iran. Now we know why USA is sucking up to Pakistan.
Exactly. It'll discard Pakistan as soon as it's objectives in Iran are achieved.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 13 Jun 2025 05:24
A_Gupta wrote: 13 Jun 2025 05:03 Trump begins to discover the comprehensive immigration reform that has been talked about since George Bush Jr. times, if not before:
Looks like some people here are not reading long posts with quotes and references to sources on this very same topic. We go round and round. Yes immigration reforms were talked about long before Dubya. Eve temporary bnan aids were applied in lieu of making reforms. Every POTUS tries to reform but ends up getting bogged down in the congress.
True but with the caveat that Republicans in the Congress won't cross Trump. Only the libertarians like Massey or Rand Paul stand up to the guy, but the won't for immigration. The hard right maga crowd will bend the knee.
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> Looks like some people here are not reading long posts with quotes and references to sources on this very same topic

Obviously. The "Foes" list comes in very handy. One only sees quotable quotes.
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Siapji
There in lies the double edged sword for Jihadis
Now that a brethren has been struck and that too by Yahood how will they allow Shaitan to use their bases.
And if they do it will be an Sunni Shia conflict with wider implications
Either way jihadis may get some money and toys but will loose big time amoingst the Ummah!! as its not like targetting Al Queda or Taliban or ISIL
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Cain Marko wrote: 13 Jun 2025 09:24
saip wrote: 13 Jun 2025 06:25 Israel has launched attacks on Iran. Now we know why USA is sucking up to Pakistan.
Exactly. It'll discard Pakistan as soon as it's objectives in Iran are achieved.
that's why no condemnation of their condom nation.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 13 Jun 2025 01:46
A_Gupta wrote: 12 Jun 2025 05:54 > Guptaji: No aukat of being an ice cream eating aunt (don'tknow what it means...

Me neither, Saw it in someone's quote.
tch tch tch. So little imagination and so much ADHD. Many of us here do remember Plastic Pelosi showing her double door freezer full of expensive ice cream while people are dying from Covid.

Saar, it could be this ..... :mrgreen:

Ben & Jerry’s co-founders unveil an ice cream flavor for Vice President and Democrat Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris
Malai Ice Cream, 16 January 2021

Introducing Madam Vice President!

This ice cream honors Kamala Harris East and West Indian roots, with a nod to the meaning of her name (kamala means lotus in Sanskrit).

We think that a coconut mango ice cream with jaggery-candied lotus seeds is exactly the dessert that should be served on Air Force 2!


This limited-edition flavor will be available until Jan 31st

https://www.facebook.com/malaiicecream/ ... 193444263/


I have an idea for what could be done with the lotus stem ....... :mrgreen:


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This is good round up many topics on US provided by PGurus.

There is information on US-China deal, the riots of LosAngeles, CA, USA and who is paying for them. BTW protests are spreading in other cities of US. Iran threats and more. The US China deal seems to center itself on rare earth supply. Apparently China students will be allowed to educated themselves in US universities, and Emperor's daughter needs to be in one. The deep state faction of US wanting china relations are the ones who pushed for the deal. Some of their investments are stuck in China and they need to recoup them. This would delay the move of companies into India from China. India has to redouble efforts to make all components and trinkets for the global market.

watch at leisure: youtube.com/watch?v=8ulQc6Cr8oI
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^^^^ no, we just don’t pay attention to trivia.

Also, to point out that the news was that Trump was tending to rediscover immigration reform, and not that BRF had been discussing it endlessly.

Added:

https://fortune.com/2025/06/12/glenn-va ... wed-rules/

Omaha food plant owner who lost half his workforce in ICE raids says he followed rules for hiring immigrants
The owner of an Omaha food packaging company says his business has been unfairly hamstrung by federal immigration officials, who raided the plant and arrested more than half its workforce.

The raid took place despite the company meticulously following the government's own system for verifying the workers were in the country legally, owner Gary Rohwer said Wednesday.

Glenn Valley Foods now is operating at about 30% of capacity as the business scrambles to hire more workers, Rohwer said as he stood outside the plant.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna211813
Gavin Newsom locks horns with Trump in a politically defining moment
Newsom's 2028 presidential aspirations hang in the balance as the eyes of the nation are on California's clash with immigration authorities.

June 10, 2025, 2:39 PM CDT / Updated June 10, 2025, 8:51 PM CDT
By Jonathan Allen and Natasha Korecki
Amid immigration raids, peaceful protests, attacks on law enforcement officers and the threat of his own arrest by federal agents, California Gov. Gavin Newsom is immersed in what could be the most consequential political fight of his career.

The battle between the president and the governor of the country’s largest state instantly turned Newsom into the face of resistance to President Donald Trump’s expansive interpretation of the authorities of his office and mass-deportation campaign. Newsom, who is a potential 2028 Democratic presidential candidate, has been taking heavy criticism from within his own party over his efforts — in part through his new podcast — to cast himself in the role of conciliator.
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On Monday, California sued Trump for using emergency powers to deploy National Guard troops to the Los Angeles area over the weekend. Trump, citing a statute that allows the president to activate the guard to repel a foreign invasion or quell a rebellion, accused Newsom and Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass of failing to protect federal agents and property from demonstrators.

Newsom has slammed the step as escalatory and said existing law enforcement could have handled any violence or destruction. He argued that the move was “purposefully inflammatory and will only escalate tensions” and that there was “currently no unmet need.”
:roll:
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A_Gupta wrote: 13 Jun 2025 23:17 ^^^^ no, we just don’t pay attention to trivia.
Also, to point out that the news was that Trump was tending to rediscover immigration reform, and not that BRF had been discussing it endlessly.
Speak for yourself. Even there you fail going by your efforts to find the missing Malaysian Airlines Aircraft by going through thousands or even millions of scans made by the mapping aircraft at that time. Are you still searching like some Japanese soldiers on some island who didn't know WW II had ended?

Please note that the aircraft had been found. a couple (?) of years back. :mrgreen:

It is rich coming from someone who spams BRF with every small detail of every small lawsuit against Trump but makes molehills of mountins of Bidens' corruption and KD's world salads.
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Amber G. wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:28
A_Gupta wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:00 Yet another:

US Invites Asim Munir for Army Parade Despite Terror Support | Vantage with Palki Sharma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieBI33HCSdY

Palki Sharma says that the author of Pahalgam Field Marshal Asim Munir has got an invitation, not from Islamist countries, not from China, but from the United States, to attend the Trump military parade and if he attends as a guest, it is an affront to India.
Recommend watching this.
We all fell for fake news. All Indian media outlets fell for fake news. Indian Ministry for External Affairs fell for fake news. Indian opposition parties fell for this fake news.

This is really bad. What can we trust any more?
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A_Gupta wrote: 14 Jun 2025 20:29 We all fell for fake news.
:roll: Speaking for everybody else, aren't we now?
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A_Gupta wrote: 14 Jun 2025 20:29
We all fell for fake news. All Indian media outlets fell for fake news. Indian Ministry for External Affairs fell for fake news. Indian opposition parties fell for this fake news.

This is really bad. What can we trust any more?
May be misleading but NOT fake (Partially true) The invitation did come from US by Gen. Michael Erik Kurilla (though not from POTUS but Ms Sharma did NOT sourced to the White House),

Your post was:
A_Gupta wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:00 Yet another:

US Invites Asim Munir for Army Parade Despite Terror Support | Vantage with Palki Sharma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieBI33HCSdY

Palki Sharma says that the author of Pahalgam Field Marshal Asim Munir has got an invitation, not from Islamist countries, not from China, but from the United States, to attend the Trump military parade and if he attends as a guest, it is an affront to India.



Indian media and commentators (including Palki Sharma on Vantage) reported that Pakistan’s Army Chief, Gen. Asim Munir, was invited by the U.S. (implying the President or White House) to attend a military parade in Washington D.C. This was portrayed as a diplomatic insult to India, given Pakistan’s record on terrorism.

The Reality:

Munir was invited to attend the U.S. Army’s 249th birthday celebration on June 14, 2024 — but:

- The invitation came from Gen. Michael Erik Kurilla, commander of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) — not from President or the White House.

- The event was a military observance, not a political or presidential parade.

- No foreign leader, including Munir, was officially recognized as a “guest of honor.”

- The White House confirmed: no foreign military leaders were invited by the President.

True that media reports and commentary framed the visit as a high-level political endorsement, creating a false narrative of diplomatic alignment or insult toward India. In reality, it was a routine military engagement, not an act of political significance.

Bottom Line
Gen. Asim Munir was invited by a U.S. general—not the President—to a standard military event.

This was overblown by several Indian outlets and commentators. The story is not entirely fake, but it was significantly exaggerated and misframed.
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Meanwhile, I'm choosing not to engage with the transparent and juvenile attempts to troll us from the usual suspects

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> Meanwhile, I'm choosing not to engage with the transparent and juvenile attempts to troll us from the usual suspects

I don't even read them.

And to the main point - Is Asim Munir in Washington DC today June 14th? There is no clarity on that.
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^^^ Yes I believe he is in DC. (from reliable sources) (He arrived in Washington around June 12 to attend the U.S. Army’s 250th‑anniversary celebration, a military‑only event, not a political or White House-led presidential parade)

Meanwhile - Fake News was spread. and amplified by the usual suspect-- INC.. Jairam Ramesh..ityadi. ( Sadly Indian Journalists got trapped into Pakistani Info Ops, and reported it without any basic fact-checking.)
Another self-goal by Jairam Ramesh!

Driven by his relentless animosity towards Prime Minister Modi, Jairam Ramesh irresponsibly amplified false claims — alleging that Pakistan’s Army Chief, General Asim Munir, was invited to the US parade. The claim was entirely unfounded, but it revealed once again how far Congress is willing to go to undermine India’s global standing.

In his eagerness to attack the Prime Minister, Ramesh not only spread misinformation but also cast aspersions on India’s foreign policy — effectively echoing narratives that serve Pakistan’s interests.

How long will the Congress continue to act against India’s diplomatic credibility? It’s time they chose the nation over petty politics.
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This is priceless.. :rotfl:

Pakistani Journalist asks Pak Govt and Deep State: :
Ahmad Noorani @Ahmad_Noorani:
کوئی ایک:

اسرائیل کا آئرن ڈوم بھارت کے ریشین ایس فور ہنڈرڈ سے کہیں بہتر ہے۔ ایران کے بہت سے میزائل آئرن ڈون نے روکے مگر کچھ نشانے پر بھی لگے۔

سوال یہ پیدا ہوتا ہے کہ پاکستان کا کوئی ایک بھی میزائل یا کوئی ایک بھی ڈرون مین لینڈ بھارت میں کیوں نہ جا سکا اور سب کو ہی ایس فور ہنڈرڈ نے کیسے گرا لیا؟؟؟؟

مجھے گالیاں ضرور نکالیں۔ برا بھلا ضرور کہیں۔ غدار اور متعصب بھی کہیں۔ مگر سوچیں ضرور۔ مین لینڈ بھارت میں کیے گئے حملے کے بعد تباہی کی کوئی ایک تصویر۔ کوئی ایک ثبوت، کوئی ایک ویڈیو۔ بین الاقوامی میڈیا کی کوئی ایک خبر۔ #کوئی_ایک
For those whose urdu is little rusty it is
"Isra'il ka Iron Dome Bharat ke Russian S Four Hundred se kahin behtar hai. Iran ke bahut se missiles Iron Dome ne roke magar kuch nishane par bhi lage.
Sawal yeh paida hota hai ki Pakistan ka koi ek bhi missile ya koi ek bhi drone Mainland Bharat mein kyon nahin ja saka aur sabko hi S Four Hundred ne kaise gira liya???
Mujhe gaaliayein zaroor nikalein. Bura bhala zaroor kahen. Ghaddar aur muta'assib bhi kahen. Magar sochen zaroor. Mainland Bharat mein kiye gaye hamle ke baad tabahi ki koi ek tasveer. Koi ek saboot, koi ek video. Bayn al-aqwami media ki koi ek khabar. #Koi_Ek


Translation:
Israel's Iron Dome is much better than India's Russian S-400. Iron Dome intercepted many of Iran's missiles, but some hit their targets.

The question arises: why was not a single Pakistani missile or drone able to reach mainland India and how did the S-400 shoot them all down????

You must abuse me. You must call me bad. You must call me a traitor and a bigot. But you must think. Any picture of the destruction after the attack in mainland India. Any evidence, any video. Any news from the international media.
Added later: posted in wrong topic thread - (keeping it here as I already posted it)
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Vayutuvan wrote: 14 Jun 2025 22:18
A_Gupta wrote: 14 Jun 2025 20:29 We all fell for fake news.
:roll: Speaking for everybody else, aren't we now?
Habibi I knew this was fake all along lol .

On a serious note I think 80% of Msm coverage about India(n)s is fake news . Most of it is likely by anti India people .

Also most of the racist anti India accounts are likely pakees or chicom bot farms disguised as white people.

There are likely companies in China /turkey and roos running botfarms as a service . I'll call it BAAS as it literally means stink in Hindi. They probably run it like any SAAS company .

I see a real opportunity generative ai based startups countering anti India propaganda .
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Choosing not to engage with the transparent and juvenile attempts of trolling..

News Item: Diwali is now an official state holiday in Connecticut! Governor Lamont signed SB 1519 into law, making CT the second state after PA to enshrine Diwali in statute ensuring recognition for Hindus, Sikhs, Jains & Buddhists.

Connecticut governor enacts Diwali bill, second US state to sign Diwali into law
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gakakkad wrote: 15 Jun 2025 00:58 I see a real opportunity generative ai based startups countering anti India propaganda .
Great idea. It can be done on the cheap too. In spare time instead of showing contempt to BRF posters who don't have the same priorities of the noisy few.

Pointing out their passive aggressive behaviour is characterized by them as trolling and try to shutdown any debate.

The time between u-turns has shrunk so much that it is happening every alternate post. That is what partisanship does to one's rationality.
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Amberg and VT are like r2d2 c3po lol.

I am more than interested in partnering such a generative ai opportunity.
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Amber G. wrote: 15 Jun 2025 01:32 Choosing not to engage with the transparent and juvenile attempts of trolling..

News Item: Diwali is now an official state holiday in Connecticut! Governor Lamont signed SB 1519 into law, making CT the second state after PA to enshrine Diwali in statute ensuring recognition for Hindus, Sikhs, Jains & Buddhists.

Connecticut governor enacts Diwali bill, second US state to sign Diwali into law
Approval ratings

In his first year as governor, Lamont garnered consistently low approval ratings. Morning Consult had listed him among the ten least popular governors every quarter since his election. In a survey conducted in the last quarter of 2019, he was ranked the fourth most unpopular governor in the country, with a 51% disapproval rating and a 32% approval rating.[92]

Since the pandemic began in 2020, Lamont's approval ratings have been higher. In a May 2020 Quinnipiac poll, he received a 65% approval rating and a 26% disapproval rating, with a 78% approval rating for his handling of the pandemic.[93] By October 2020, a Sacred Heart University survey found his overall approval rating to be 53%, while 71% approved of his handling of the pandemic.[94][95] In a March 2021 Sacred Heart University poll, 70.7% of people approved of Lamont's handling of the pandemic and his approval stood at nearly 56%, almost double his 28.1% approval from the same pollster in December 2019.[96] As of 2022, Lamont has the highest approval rating of any Democratic governor.[97]
I wonder where CA Gov Newsom stands now. Looks like his popularity has gone through the roof after he said "stood up" the tyrant.
Personal life
On September 10, 1983,[98] Lamont married Ann Huntress, a venture capitalist and managing partner at Oak Investment Partners.[29][99] They have three children.[29] He and his family live in Greenwich and have a vacation home in North Haven, Maine.[18] The Lamont Gallery on the campus of Phillips Exeter Academy and the Lamont Library at Harvard University are both named in honor of his family.[18]
Phillips Exeter Academy is a co-ed private preparatory school. It costs a bomb to educate a child there. Probably 650K USD K-12. Then that child has to be sent to an Ivy League which would be another 300 K USD easy. Graduation parties, proms, debutante ball, etc and you are looking at a USD 1+ Million.
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Some folks here are alpasantoshi just like IFS aafsaar and INC bigwigs. Praise them a little and they attend $1000 per plate dinners, support every crook of either party.
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A_Gupta wrote: 14 Jun 2025 20:29 This is really bad. What can we trust any more?
Russia dossier commissioned by HiC presidential campaign. :wink:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... 30_to_2023

Very interesting table. Duplicity is beats the second by a fair margin historically. From 2021 to 2022 the jump was highest from $90,088 to $101,027. Obama's massive increase in the government came to fruition by 2022. Obama said sab mile huen hain jee and then pulled Kejriwal on the American public and Biden enriched himself. GOPers are no doodh se dhulaa huaa either. But the noisemakers in BRF fall for the virtue signalling of the Progressives. :rotfl:
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Let us take critical look at the assassination and assassination attempt on of two MN lawmakers. The trigger looks to be planned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Kings_protests. The suspect was appointed by Tim Walz and served in the some board in MN for four years. He seemed to be against these protests as well as against abortions.

I give it a 50-50 chance that it is false flag by Sour-puss (inclusive) or some Chinese catspaw organization who want to create chaos in the US at a time when Israel seems to be succeeding in taking down Iranian regime in a matter of weeks.

Europeans as usual are being tools of China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Kings_ ... activities
The protest is planned to take place in over 2,000 cities across the US.[13] Outside of the U.S., protests are planned in the following countries, in some case cases with a different name to avoid the appearance of anti-monarchism: :rotfl:

Canada[14] (King Charles III) :twisted:
Colombia[15]
Germany[15]
Italy[15]
Malawi[15]
Mexico[16]
Netherlands[17] (Willem-Alexander) :twisted:
Portugal[18]
Spain[19] (Felipe VI) :twisted:
Sweden[20] (Carl XVI Gustaf) :twisted:
United Kingdom[15] (King Charles III) :twisted:
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Why does the US Army march as if they are sleep walking ?
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Re: Understanding the US - Again

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srin wrote: 15 Jun 2025 14:48 Why does the US Army march as if they are sleep walking ?
Looks like drill and ceremony is not emphasized that much as part of their training.
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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Post by Manish_P »

I wouldn't be so fast on dissing them for their seemingly casual attitude on marching.

The US military is one of the most experienced war fighting militaries on the planet.

One can find videos of their serious marching and military drills on YouTube.

An example - https://youtu.be/ev_W4AGh0co?si=haurKvix1zXLG14_

BTW They too find our Attari ceremony as being very theatrical.
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