Israel-Hezbollah-Iran War

[Ambar]

They claim to have captured two pilots.
Tehran Times:
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/514337 ... wo-Israeli

They've taken leaf out of Paki propaganda book! But unlike Pakis who worked with the Chinese on some slick PR material, the Iranians have been reduced to spreading comically poor AI generated image of a supposed Israeli F35. Israeli Airforce has confirmed that all its jets are back home safe and sound, and it looks like they have established near unrestricted aerial dominance over Iran.

[Deans]

Iran is doing a Pakistan, with dubious claims, amplified by Chinese bots.
The pic of the Israeli female pilot supposedly captured, was actually an officer of the Chile air force, lifted from the internet.

Why do these countries have a fascination for reporting captured women pilots ?

[Deans]

From the Israeli media and to some extent confirmed by Iran:

1st wave - drones fired from inside Iran, or Azerbaijan, or Iraq, to take out key elements of Iran's air defences.

2nd wave - air strikes to hit the Iranian military leadership, Natanz nuclear facility, SAM and radar sites. 11 generals, 1 Admiral and
6 nuclear scientists killed.
3rd wave - Strike against Iranian air bases, a nuclear facility, Ballistic missile launch sites.
4th Wave - Aircraft are now operating freely inside Iran. Army bases have been hit, though they are not a direct threat to Israel.

Iranian response:
300 drones fired (Israel says 100 reached Israeli airspace and all were shot down).
200 Ballistic missiles fired in 4 waves:
Wave 1 & 2 - All intercepted, or allowed to fall in an empty area.
Wave 3 - Most intercepted, but leakers caused some damage, IDF and Mossad HQ complexes were hit.
Wave 4 - Hits in the south of Israel (near the nuclear facility at Dimona and an air base, damage uncertain).

[A_Gupta]

> Why do these countries have a fascination for reporting captured women pilots ?

When in doubt, ask AI:

"why do some countries have a fascination with falsely claiming to have captured their opponent's female pilots?"

All in all, the fascination with such claims appears to be a mix of a desire for dramatic, attention-grabbing narratives and the exploitation of long-standing gender stereotypes within the context of military conflict. It’s a reminder of how wars—and even the reporting of them—are as much psychological and symbolic battles as they are physical ones.

Perhaps an evolutionary biologist here can help with this - it may be a very primitive impulse, because a common within-species conflict in mammals is males fighting for control of the females (many species, not all species; and also human learned behavior probably outweighs instinctual reactions); so it might be primitive instinct + modern ideology?

[SRajesh]

Why do these countries have a fascination for reporting captured women pilots ?

DeansJi
This is to do with the belief that if a Momeen(Jihadist) is killed by a Lady (and that too a non muslim) then they wont go to You Know where and wont get 72
I think this a recent belief being circulated amonst the momeen especially following the emergency of AlQ and ISIL.
A lot of maulaners have been disputing this claim but amonst the unwashed ignorant and more importantly misogynist lot it is a uphill task to get rid of the belief
Also a lady combatant caught may be a bigger bargaining chip when it comes to prisoner swap

[Manish_P]

> Why do these countries have a fascination for reporting captured women pilots ?

When in doubt, ask AI:

"why do some countries have a fascination with falsely claiming to have captured their opponent's female pilots?"
...

Sir, you framed the question a bit vaguely. The correct way to ask is 'why do islamic countries have a fascination with falsely claiming to have captured their opponent's female pilots?'

This is the answer given

1. Propaganda and Psychological Warfare

Claiming the capture of an enemy female pilot can be used as psychological warfare. Female soldiers, especially pilots, symbolize empowerment and modernity. Capturing them (even falsely) can be framed as a victory not just militarily, but ideologically.
These claims are aimed both at domestic audiences—to boost morale—and at enemy populations to sow fear or humiliation.

2. Gender Symbolism

In some conservative or patriarchal societies, especially where traditional gender roles are strongly emphasized, the idea of a woman in a combat role can be seen as provocative or unnatural.
Capturing such a figure, or even claiming to, plays into deeply rooted gender and cultural narratives. It’s meant to suggest the reversal or failure of the enemy’s values.

3. Media Amplification

In several cases, false claims about capturing female soldiers (including pilots) have gone viral not because they were credible, but because they tap into strong imagery and emotions.
Social media and state-run media in some Islamic countries have occasionally made such claims for dramatic effect, even without verification.

[bala]

Another detailed YT by Major Gaurav Arya:

A 60 day notice was given to Iran otherwise it would be worse. Israel has US weapons and Iran is at the receiving end of wrath. DJT says Iran has one more chance to reform otherwise there will be total destruction of Iran.

The US is defending Israel against incoming missiles. There are US ships in around Iran shooting down Iran missiles at boost phase.

US Deceit & Mossad’s Strike: Iran’s Destruction Uncovered | The Chanakya Dialogues Major Gaurav Arya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KkQNbvf5vk

[Vayutuvan]

> Why do these countries have a fascination for reporting captured women pilots ?

When in doubt, ask AI:

That was a rhetorical question, IMHO. @Deans ji is being polite and did not mention the state religion of "these countries".
This is what happens when people start depending on AI a little too much. Atrophy and disappearance of thinking skills altogether is well-nigh upon humanity.

[Vayutuvan]

Sir, you framed the question a bit vaguely. The correct way to ask is 'why do islamic countries have a fascination with falsely claiming to have captured their opponent's female pilots?'

Some folks are afraid of being cancelled by their liberal circle of friends (those are the only friends for some, IMHO) if they show even a small sign of Islamophobia.

[A_Gupta]

@Manish_P ++++

Added - do note that I asked the question pretty much as it was posed originally:

> Why do these countries have a fascination for reporting captured women pilots ?

[A_Gupta]

Note that Western media does not amplify Iranian claims of air battle success like they did with Pakistan.

Added: Abhijit Iyer-Mitra makes a valid point that unless Israel confiscates enriched uranium from Iran, having it buried under tons of rubble merely delay Iran, i.e., ground operations are necessary and inevitable.

[gakakkad]

There are a few reasons I feel why .

1) specific to Rafale , Eric trappier has aggressively marketed Rafale against f35 even offering it to Canada . American media tried to amplify Rafale loss for that reason specifically I feel.

2) Yehuds have fewer jaichands and more supporters in western media .

3) they manage to find more anti India Indians than they do anti Israel Yehuds .

I really think we need to invest money into owning a mouth piece . Sky news was the only western outlet I know of that had a fair coverage .

All Israeli outlets had good pro-India coverage of op sindoor .

[NRao]

Earlier today, Iran launched approximately 100 ballistic missiles at Israel, prompting multiple rounds of nationwide sirens. Some missiles landed in Tel Aviv and other areas in Central Israel, damaging buildings and wounding dozens of Israelis, with at least one reported fatality.

Internals of Israeli decisions and planning to attack with Dan Senor. 45 min long

[RCase]

Sir, you framed the question a bit vaguely. The correct way to ask is 'why do islamic countries have a fascination with falsely claiming to have captured their opponent's female pilots?'

Some folks are afraid of being cancelled by their liberal circle of friends (those are the only friends for some, IMHO) if they show even a small sign of Islamophobia.

This stems from a cult that is obsessed with sex, slavery, concubines, hooris etc. Sanctioned by the book and extensive treatises (hadiths) that describe permissible/ non-permissible conditions for sex.

Just like their ultimate goal is about hooris in jannat, these guys salivate at the prospect of owning slave women to indulge in their beastly fantasies. We had seen that with a supposedly 'educated' Paki anchor fantasizing about capturing Bollywood actresses as well as the ISIS guys treating the Yazidi women.

[bala]

Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad has released rare footage following covert military operations deep inside Iran. The video drops come amid heightened tensions in the region and closely coordinated action between Mossad and the IDF. The mission involved long-term planning, advanced tactics, and precision strikes on high-value Iranian targets. Full official footage and layered details have now surfaced.

MOSSAD Drops RAW Footage Of Covert Missile Strikes Inside Iran | Full Details of Israel's Action



Iran's internal security is terible and their intelligence is rather weak. Considering their AD (again china maal fails) has been taken out completely, Israel can invade any place they want and completely take over things. That nuke plant deep in the mountain can be neutralized completely.

[gakakkad]

it was an islamic terrorist state. not unexpected.

[Amber G.]

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says senior Iranian leaders are fleeing the country. Netanyahu also says that Iran was planning to supply Nuclear Weapons to Iranian Terrorist proxies in the region.

[Manish_P]

@Manish_P ++++

Added - do note that I asked the question pretty much as it was posed originally:

> Why do these countries have a fascination for reporting captured women pilots ?

Noted.

Please use the 'Quote' function/tag if you are quoting another poster.

[Manish_P]

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This stems from a cult that is obsessed with sex, slavery, concubines, hooris etc. Sanctioned by the book and extensive treatises (hadiths) that describe permissible/ non-permissible conditions for sex.
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No moderated, sanitised western AI will say the factual truth as it is.

[Ambar]

Despite Israel's advanced three-layered missile defense system, approximately 10% of incoming missiles, drones, and rockets appear to be breaching its defenses, including the hypersonic missiles. The latest reports confirm 9 fatalities, over 200 injuries, and 35 individuals still unaccounted for beneath the rubble across Israel. Given the scale of the attack, Israel's response seems inevitable, unless U.S. pressure is strong enough to restrict retaliatory strikes solely to Iranian regime targets.

Looking at the hypersonic missiles strike Tel Aviv, it looks like it hovers in the sky before changing trajectory and striking at the target at mach5 or above speed, scary stuff. If US does not fully back Israel's defense, expect some sort of kinetic action in the persian gulf and the red sea.

[bala]

Sumit Peer with Sree Iyer in PGurus:

Within a matter of weeks, the nuclear ambitions of PAKISTAN and IRAN are blown to smithereens.
This YT has a list of key people (including key iranian nuclear scientists and heads of Iran military) of Iran who were eliminated by Israel.

Have India & Israel smashed the idea of the Islamic Bomb?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jb8amfCXXA

// BTW India is for Israel not Iran in this war. Russia is telling US you take care of the war with Iran, while russia continues the war with Ukraine. China has been silent, their maal has failed in Iran, two in a row for them.

[Cain Marko]

Despite Israel's advanced three-layered missile defense system, approximately 10% of incoming missiles, drones, and rockets appear to be breaching its defenses, including the hypersonic missiles. The latest reports confirm 9 fatalities, over 200 injuries, and 35 individuals still unaccounted for beneath the rubble across Israel. Given the scale of the attack, Israel's response seems inevitable, unless U.S. pressure is strong enough to restrict retaliatory strikes solely to Iranian regime targets.

Looking at the hypersonic missiles strike Tel Aviv, it looks like it hovers in the sky before changing trajectory and striking at the target at mach5 or above speed, scary stuff. If US does not fully back Israel's defense, expect some sort of kinetic action in the persian gulf and the red sea.

It seems Iran hit an oil refinery. They will probably send in a large number of their drives, mixed with CMs and BMs (hypersonics). If they get enough thru, they will keep repeating until Israel's AD is compromised. Then they'll throw in shit ton of old BMs.

If Israel hadn't 3 properly replenished it's ADS SAM stock it could be in for a surprise.

[Ambar]

Yup, Iran hit a oil refinery outside Haifa, and in retaliation Israel struck the Shahran oil depot near Tehran. Iran is estimated to have over 20,000 ballistic missiles, they are sending waves and waves of drones, mixing it up with houthis firing cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, i saw one video with three direct hits on Israel with big explosions and multiple smaller hits that appears to be drones that got through. Israel is densely populated, so anything that gets through its defenses will land on civilian areas as seems to be the case.

What will force US to get involved? My guess is some sort of an event in the persian gulf/red sea where oil supply gets hit which will force the 5th fleet to mobilize.

[Deans]

Some updates:

Mossad did not operate drones inside Iran - though they probably had individual agents. They were launched from Azerbaijan and possibly Kurdish Iraq. Israel gets its oil from Azerbaijan (through Turkiye).
Several ballistic missile launchers hit by Israel were apparently dummies.
Iran has shown no evidence of shooting down anything except drones.
There are videos of Iran's remaining F-14s engaging drones.
Iran's largest gas field was hit along with oil refineries. Except a big spike in prices tomorrow. China is the biggest customer of Iranian energy.

Iran launched a big strike on Israel last night, using drones and missiles including hypersonic missiles. A lot of video evidence of hits on Tel Aviv (Weizmann institute) and the Haifa oil refinery (which refine 70% of Israel's oil).

Further damage depends on how many ballistic missiles & how many SAMs Iran & Israel have remaining.

[sanjayc]

Some folks are afraid of being cancelled by their liberal circle of friends (those are the only friends for some, IMHO) if they show even a small sign of Islamophobia.

This stems from a cult that is obsessed with sex, slavery, concubines, hooris etc. Sanctioned by the book and extensive treatises (hadiths) that describe permissible/ non-permissible conditions for sex.

Just like their ultimate goal is about hooris in jannat, these guys salivate at the prospect of owning slave women to indulge in their beastly fantasies. We had seen that with a supposedly 'educated' Paki anchor fantasizing about capturing Bollywood actresses as well as the ISIS guys treating the Yazidi women.

That is why removal of sex organs (cutting them off) totally shatters a Muslim male, and that is also the best solution for Jihadis, even more than killing them. Jihadis are OK with getting shot or beheaded, but they will never tolerate removal of sex organs, as that will be living death for them. They live and die for sex (hence the obsession with capturing women), and nothing terrifies them more than the inability to have sex. If Rashtriya Rifles changes its emblem to a razor, most Jihadis will opt out of Jihad.

[Cain Marko]

Dunno how much of this video is true, bit I counted about 17 direct hits into Israel. iron dome/arrow not doing so well?

.https://www.reddit.com/r/AlJazeera/s/6DYP9RaVqY

[pravula]

Didn't see even one interceptor launching in that video. Thats not normal

[Ambar]

There's one image from Tel Aviv with a large 20ft ditch where a building once stood, i don't know what throw-weight Iranian missiles have but it certainly carried enough mass to obliterate its target. Israel has been very restrained so far, unless it managed to evacuate the entire city, i have a feeling the casualty number will be much higher than what is reported.

[Prem Kumar]

That video has been doing the rounds for more than 24 hours

Could be from a different war or AI generated. Dont think its from current conflict

[Vinod Ji]

This stems from a cult that is obsessed with sex, slavery, concubines, hooris etc. Sanctioned by the book and extensive treatises (hadiths) that describe permissible/ non-permissible conditions for sex.

"उस के परदादा की मूछ का बाल मेरे परदादा के पास गिरवी पड़ा था तो उस किया मजाल मेरे सामने आंख उठा कर देखे उस से भी बहुत ज़लीलतर है उसकी परदादा की बहन मेरे परदादा के नौकर की लौंडी थी"

If u can understand this, then you know why?

[Deans]

There are a few reasons I feel why .

1) specific to Rafale , Eric trappier has aggressively marketed Rafale against f35 even offering it to Canada . American media tried to amplify Rafale loss for that reason specifically I feel.

2) Yehuds have fewer jaichands and more supporters in western media .

3) they manage to find more anti India Indians than they do anti Israel Yehuds .

I really think we need to invest money into owning a mouth piece . Sky news was the only western outlet I know of that had a fair coverage .

All Israeli outlets had good pro-India coverage of op sindoor .

Jews have a disproportionate influence in Western media. Every Jew, irrespective of nationality, is loyal to the Jewish cause - and by extension, Israel. The less said about some of our NRIs, or the Libbu left opposition combine in India, the better.

[Deans]

There's one image from Tel Aviv with a large 20ft ditch where a building once stood, i don't know what throw-weight Iranian missiles have but it certainly carried enough mass to obliterate its target. Israel has been very restrained so far, unless it managed to evacuate the entire city, i have a feeling the casualty number will be much higher than what is reported.

Israel has enough air raid shelters, practise getting to them and early warning, so casualties will be low.

[gakakkad]

^ that's the next thing we should invest in . Air raid shelters for 300-400 million urban Indians (maybe more ).

What do people think is icbm inventory of porkis ? We should also try to map where they make and store those if possible.

[Aditya_V]

This is going like the Israel Hezbollah war, like Hezbollah, Iran also has lots of missiles at the beginning, mostly Chinese origin, over the next days months as the launchers, missiles get taken out, slowly the Israeli skies will clear. It is also an off ramp where Russia, can achieve enough victory when Ukraine will agree to a peace after conceding land.

[drnayar]

Dunno how much of this video is true, bit I counted about 17 direct hits into Israel. iron dome/arrow not doing so well?

.https://www.reddit.com/r/AlJazeera/s/6DYP9RaVqY

The Indian iron dome performed remarkably well in comparison to the Israelis.. is it because we had more warning time or more systems in play ? .. or just better software/hardware/networking. ? .. or ok just the porkis being porkies with their Chinese duds

[putnanja]

I think one reason we did well was that the number of missiles that pakis fired were not that overwhelming, compared to 100s of missiles that Iran fired at Israel. There were reports of only handful of ballistic missles that were fired which got intercepted. India striking only terrorist bases and trying to provide off-ramp to pakis prevented pakis from escalating lot more and firing everything at India.

[A_Gupta]

Haaretz article:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... aad3500000

In 1970, Soviet dissident Andrei Amalrik was a young historian at Moscow State University when he published his provocative book, "Will the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984?"
...

In the spirit of his method, it is worth asking: Could Iran's leader Ali Khamenei be right in his prediction that Israel will cease to exist by 2040?
...
After 20 months of war, Israel shows resilience and prosperity. The shekel is stable, unemployment is low, and the beaches and restaurants in Tel Aviv are full. The killing and starvation in Gaza occur in the "foreign media" and don't sully the Israeli mainstream, which mostly complains about the high cost of overseas flights.

But signs of decay are visible all around: Rampant violent crime, internal rifts, and a loss of hope. Dependence on Trump's America is absolute, so much so that even Israeli leftists now see the capricious president as a savior and a bringer of peace, just as the right pins its hopes for the depopulation of Gaza on him. The Israelis who are leaving every week with their children for Australia point to the malign direction in which the country is heading, no less than the IDF bragging about "another senior Hamas operative eliminated."

As public anxiety grows, Israel's political leadership is growing increasingly detached from reality. The prime minister is fixated on spreading conspiracy theories about the Hamas attack of October 7, 2023, which revolve around blaming the "Kaplanists" (the pro-democracy protesters who thronged Tel Aviv's Kaplan Street every week) of committing treason and absolving himself of responsibility.

Here's a spoiler for Benjamin Netanyahu: It won't help you. Even if you fire all the officials, completely destroy Gaza, and somehow survive in office, you will be remembered in Israel as the leader who brought the country to the brink of ruin – and your global legacy will be as a mass murderer consumed by messianic escapism. The tireless cult of personality Netanyahu nurtures as a substitute for the checks and balances of state institutions only deepens his isolation and paranoia, both from real and imagined enemies.

Thus, the political system is busy deepening internal division instead of rebuilding Israel from the ruins of judicial upheaval and endless war. Netanyahu neither wants nor is able to offer a path to repair. His self-congratulatory autobiography, published a year before the war, now reads as 600 pages of emptiness. He has no vision for the future, only further destruction.

But there lies a one-time opportunity for all those vying for his crown: To formulate a vision for the "day after" that will stop the internal unraveling and disprove Khamenei's prophecy of annihilation. The first clause in that vision must be ending the war, before Gaza swallows Israel into itself, never to return. Just as Amalrik warned the rulers of the Soviet empire, who did not want to listen.

Tehran Times propaganda:

Against this bleak backdrop, a fundamental question arises: Does the Zionist entity possess the internal resilience to survive until 2040?

The answer is found in a recent article by Haaretz editor-in-chief Aluf Benn, titled: “Will Israel Live to See 2040?” This is not Iranian propaganda—it’s an insider testimony from the Hebrew press, laced with fear and admission. Benn compares the current state of the Zionist regime to the Soviet Union on the eve of its collapse, shifting the narrative from an external threat to an internal crisis eroding the regime from within.

Perhaps the most alarming sign of the Zionist entity’s psychological and social reality is this: it is the only regime in the world whose settlers publicly discuss how much longer it will last. There is no country on Earth where citizens openly ask, “When will our state collapse?” or “How long do we have left on this map?” Even in the darkest civil wars, Lebanese, Yemenis, or Ukrainians never entertained such existential questions.

Yet, in Zionist society, talk of the regime’s disappearance is part of daily consciousness—freely circulated in the media, among soldiers, and even in unofficial educational curricula.

This public admission of existential uncertainty is not just a sign of psychological fragility—it’s a dangerous indicator that the regime is living in a state of anticipated collapse. People who view themselves as transient and temporary cannot build a sustainable project, nor can they escape self-destruction. And that is precisely what is unfolding now.

Just as Soviet dissident Andrei Amalrik predicted in the 1970s that the USSR wouldn’t survive past 1984—and was ultimately proven right through a long war of attrition in Afghanistan—Aluf Benn sees the Zionist regime heading in a similar direction: a state that appears stable on the outside but is internally decaying, torn between warring factions, losing trust, and filled with hopeless citizens.

Reverse migration, military disintegration, distrust in government, widening gaps between the religious and secular, and institutional decay are all clear indicators. Add to that the deterioration of personal security, rising crime rates, and loss of national identity, and even settlers now openly talk of “the end of Israel” and the “date of its demise.”

There is a lot to unpack there, here is the link:
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/514369 ... n-the-face

There is this:

Simultaneously, other strikes targeted military bases and intelligence centers in the south as direct retaliation for the assassination of nuclear scientists and senior IRGC commanders—men of advanced age who were due for retirement as part of a planned leadership transition. But God chose to bestow upon them the highest honor: martyrdom on the battlefield, at the hands of the most wicked of His creation, on the path to al-Quds, for the cause of Palestine, the cause of the righteous.

[gakakkad]

Haaretz is their version of chindu , quint , wire etc . Because it's a vibrant democracy just like India even such anti national opinions are allowed . As far as tehran times is concerned , the Islamic regime will probably not survive 1 month . Forget 2040.

[Ambar]

There are a few reasons I feel why .

1) specific to Rafale , Eric trappier has aggressively marketed Rafale against f35 even offering it to Canada . American media tried to amplify Rafale loss for that reason specifically I feel.

2) Yehuds have fewer jaichands and more supporters in western media .

3) they manage to find more anti India Indians than they do anti Israel Yehuds .

I really think we need to invest money into owning a mouth piece . Sky news was the only western outlet I know of that had a fair coverage .

All Israeli outlets had good pro-India coverage of op sindoor .

Jews have a disproportionate influence in Western media. Every Jew, irrespective of nationality, is loyal to the Jewish cause - and by extension, Israel. The less said about some of our NRIs, or the Libbu left opposition combine in India, the better.

That is not true. Percentage wise there are more anti-Israel, anti-zionism jews in the world than anti-dharmic and anti-India Hindus. In fact, the infamous 'Hindus for Human Rights' was modeled after 'Jewish Voice for peace' , a left-leaning, rabidly anti-Israel entity that routinely creates ruckus in the US with some very powerful backers. Left leaning, liberal jews who are against the jewish cause and Israel are ubiquitous and politically powerful. I remember listening to a Nixon interview where he remembers Shah of Iran expressing his shock and dismay how many liberal jews were against Israel, where as the Shah, against the wishes of his people and the clergy, was the only supporter of Israel in the region.

[Ambar]

Is there a reason why Israel is choosing the much riskier option of sending dozens of fighters into Iran to attack targets instead of returning the favor using ballistic missiles ? The chances of one or more fighters succumbing to SAM seems more and more likely as sorties increase. Besides, wouldn't the BMs carry much more payload than modified F16s which was designed as a lighter aerial combat fighter?

The Israeli casualties after the latest barrage of missiles is 14 with over 400 injured and over 30 still missing. Either Iran lacks precision or they are specifically targeting civilian centers.