Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 16 Jun 2025 13:07

My yt feed is full of western pilots spouting all kinds of theories with scant evidence and faulty logic. They are looking for getting millions of hits from billion+ indians. Ignore them and don't engage, share or discuss their drivel on other fora.

If I come across any credible analysis by an aero maintenance engineer, I'll post it here.

Let's wait for the investigation report.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Jun 2025 17:35

Not sure of the reliability of this source:
https://www.travelandtourworld.com/news ... d-to-know/

A British Airways Dreamliner bound for Chennai made a dramatic emergency turnaround to Heathrow International Airport after suffering a serious flap failure mid-air. The aircraft, a Boeing 787-8, was cruising when the technical issue struck, forcing the crew to act fast. With fuel tanks full and altitude rising, the situation quickly escalated. As a result, the pilots had no choice but to dump fuel over the English Channel—a rare and alarming procedure.

...
The Boeing 787-8, registered as G-ZBJG, departed from Heathrow’s Runway 27R and initially climbed as scheduled. However, just after reaching 15,000 feet, the aircraft’s flight crew encountered a flap system anomaly that compromised the aircraft’s aerodynamic configuration—vital for maintaining stability and controlling the climb.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 16 Jun 2025 23:31

^ that incident happened . Don't know if the details are accurate but there was mechanical issues ,aircraft had to land after dumping fuel

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 17 Jun 2025 01:02

Air India flight turns back due to 'technical issue' days after deadly crash

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 17 Jun 2025 03:45

OK now our DDM will report on any every and all airline incidents from technical snag delays to toilet paper running out, non stop with huge red garish fonts and bp raising background sounds for the next few days and wallow in disaster pron until the next ugly scary incident happens somewhere in some domain. Pathetic!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Jun 2025 04:20

vera_k wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 01:02 Air India flight turns back due to 'technical issue' days after deadly crash

This plane too was a 787 Dreamliner.

787s have a long history of problems:
Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner Has a Long History of Safety Concerns
https://time.com/7293945/boeing-787-dre ... -concerns/

bala · Post by **bala** » 17 Jun 2025 04:55

One of the things I suspected was that Boeing was sourcing parts from China manufacturers. One of the chinese suppliers was into fake titanium.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyboga ... us-planes/

Here is another report of a contractor into fake titanium from Italy (maybe they procured it from China):

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 025-03-13/

This report way back in 2005 claimed $600 million in contracts for Chinese suppliers.

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2005-06-02 ... -Suppliers

AI of google:

Chinese companies supply parts for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. Boeing has agreements with Chinese suppliers, including Chengdu Aircraft Industrial (Group) Co. Ltd. (CAC), for various components like the composite rudder. Additionally, other Chinese companies have supplied interior panels, wing-to-body fairing panels, and tail cones for other Boeing models like the 777 and 737.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 17 Jun 2025 05:17

Cyrano wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 03:45 OK now our DDM will report on any every and all airline incidents from technical snag delays to toilet paper running out, non stop with huge red garish fonts and bp raising background sounds for the next few days and wallow in disaster pron until the next ugly scary incident happens somewhere in some domain. Pathetic!

That's exactly what it is.. disaster p@rn !.. it will feed the media for the next few weeks

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 17 Jun 2025 08:18

What this tells me is that the professional grapevine does not think AI171 was due to pilot error. They're spooked.

Glitch On Air India San Francisco-Mumbai Flight, Fliers Deplaned During Halt

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jun 2025 08:45

drnayar wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 05:17
Cyrano wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 03:45 OK now our DDM will report on any every and all airline incidents from technical snag delays to toilet paper running out, non stop with huge red garish fonts and bp raising background sounds for the next few days and wallow in disaster pron until the next ugly scary incident happens somewhere in some domain. Pathetic!
That's exactly what it is.. disaster p@rn !.. it will feed the media for the next few weeks

drnayar ji,

some scum on SM have already started to use ChatGPT to generate the very official looking preliminary report on the AI crash at ahmedabad.

Two have appeared in my groups and were foolishly forwarded by idiots before the clowns were kicked very hard by the moderators

It's most definitely disaster p@rn

presstitute vermin like turdesai are pushing the "analysis" of goras with agendas who are blaming the pilots while carefully steering the discussions so as not to highlight aircraft and engine related issues to protect the amriki manufactures and the mainstream desi media has picked up this distorted narrative

and the DDM has this unmistakable bias: ‘amriki ne bola hai toh theek hi hoga’ syndrome, the strong white skin appeasement that still concedes the superiority of their views, no matter what a more qualified kalu Indian may say. These cultural blinkers are what makes them platform internet gora vermin with agendas of their own, while the DDM couldn't careless about the Indians and others who perished in the crash. No better than the clown who kept asking "भारत के कितने जहाज गिरे", until even the paki media picked it up

The DDM has no sympathies, no concerns for the janatha janardhan, just condescension in their eternal hunt for TRPs, complete with high decibel reportage by hyperventilating anchors who know no better (but should) and march per the orders they receive

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jun 2025 18:42

Shiv Aroor@ShivAroor·20h

Pushing the ‘pilot error’ theory above all else in the Air India 171 crash is an organised attempt to shield the big fish of the aviation world from action/scrutiny.

Someone needed to say it.

I did on my show tonight.

WATCH VIDEO

Captain Sumeet Sabharwal & his co-pilot Clive Kunder who were manning the cockpit of AI-171, are not there to defend themselves.

Boeing the manufacturer of 787 Dreamliner in on an overdrive to put blame on the pilots even when the enquiry report hasn’t come.

There are over 1000 such planes from the stable of Boeing that are in business.

There have been complaints about Boeing 787, but the American giant has managed to get away.

@MoCA_GoI should ensure that truth is brought out before the public & justice is served to 241 passengers who lost their lives.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jun 2025 19:14

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 17 Jun 2025 20:40

A third aspect that will be looked into is the maintenance of the plane. Given possible variables, its not possible for observers to know what the root cause may be from external appearances.

See below where an instance of missed maintenance caused a crash.

Alaska Airlines Flight 261

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Jun 2025 17:35

https://www.businesstoday.in/india/stor ... 2025-06-18
AI 171's right engine was replaced just 3 months ago, now central to crash probe
The aircraft had also undergone a detailed maintenance check in June 2023 and was scheduled for its next round of comprehensive checks in December this year, sources added

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Jun 2025 17:42

New video has emerged from the site of the devastating Air India Flight AI171 crash, showing Vishwas Kumar Ramesh — the sole survivor of the tragedy — walking away from the smouldering wreckage with smoke billowing behind him.

The footage, now widely circulated online, captures the surreal moment when Ramesh, dressed in a white t-shirt and clutching his phone, staggered out of the burning debris as stunned locals rushed to help him.

The incident has ignited public emotion and disbelief over how Ramesh, a 40-year-old British national of Indian origin, managed to escape a crash that killed all 241 others on board — including crew members and passengers from multiple nationalities.

WATCH VIDEO

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 18 Jun 2025 20:56

Couple of nuggets. No cause as to why.

* Flaps were in correct configuration
* Emergency power generator was deployed

Boeing 787’s Emergency-Power System Likely Active Before Air India Crash

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Jun 2025 10:39

A good summary of how the accident investigation will proceed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gkd555jlko.amp

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Jun 2025 18:00

This is what one was afraid of .....

france would have been very much preferable

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... s?from=mdr

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 19 Jun 2025 18:05

chetak wrote: ↑19 Jun 2025 18:00 This is what one was afraid of .....

france would have been very much preferable

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... s?from=mdr

Great., i am expecting "pilot error " now

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 20 Jun 2025 05:25

This is a good analysis by Capt. Gaurav Taneja aka Flying Beast. Visits various theories and their merits and demerits. Capt. Taneja was flying for Air Asia. Very logically explained and plausible causes. Probably one engine failed during takeoff past V1 point. The extra runway taken by the plane could be due to overloading, which could have made the pilot calculations incorrect. There may also be systemic faults with AI operations that could be a contributor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHTT9gIit0A

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Jun 2025 05:39

^ Overloading explanation doesn't hold because the pilot's mayday call mentions "no power, no thrust".

The other possibility that that the good engine was shut down after 1 engine developed a fault is being speculated by many pilots.

I remember reading about Airbus 340 testing where they showed the auto pilot flawlessly flew the plane when 1 of 4 engines was shut down during take off.

Do we know if Air India takeoffs happen using auto pilot?

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 20 Jun 2025 07:18

vera_k wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 05:39 ....the pilot's mayday call mentions "no power, no thrust".
...

Is that officially confirmed ?

There are many variations in the media.

The official authenticated recording has not be released?

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Jun 2025 08:03

Info on the call is from the police who got it from ATC at the airport. Possible the accident investigation finds something else, since communication was cut off after this call.

Mayday call

bala · Post by **bala** » 20 Jun 2025 09:43

This YT is an interview with Tata Sons Chairman N. Chandrasekaran. He talks about the Air India crash, besides expressing deep grief for the victims. He promised unwavering support to affected families, including financial and emotional aid through a planned trust. Chandrasekaran also emphasized the need for a transparent investigation into the tragedy. Also he briefly talks about the maintenance record of the specific aircraft. Sabotage angle was raised especially with the Turkieye company that Air India uses. But this turkieye company does not do aircraft maintenance for Air India, a singapore company is involved in the maintenance. The interviewer Navika Kumar, highlights 787 craft issues that were highlighted to boeing by some whistleblowers. Also Boeing has been using chinese companies to supply parts for its craft manufacturing. Chandrasekaran also mentions that he has had talks with Boeing and GE at the highest level. He will wait for the outcome of the investigation before any blame can be assigned on anything. Chandrasekaran accepts that Air India has not done a good job on communication with the public and its clientele (This seems to be common trait with all things Indian!).

DGCA has mandated additional checks on 787 crafts of Air India. Many flights are cancelled as a result and also Iran airspace is closed which is causing some issues for operating flights for Air India. Overall Air India is going through a rough patch and requires some understanding from public.

Ahmedabad Plane Crash: Air India Chairman On AI-171

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Jun 2025 10:14

A very appropriate Letter to the Chairman of Tata Sons from an Air India Employee

To
Mr. N. Chandrasekaran
Chairman, Air India

Subject:- "When Silence Speaks Louder Than Leadership"

Dear Mr. Chandrasekaran,

They say leadership is about showing up — not just in boardrooms, but in moments that truly matter.

Today on June 17th when Capt. Sumit Sabherwal — the Commander of Air India flight AI 171 — was laid to rest, you were just a few kilometres away in Mumbai. Yet, neither you nor a single board member of Tata Sons or Air India found the time, or perhaps the inclination, to attend his funeral. Not one.

Capt. Sabherwal wasn’t just a name on a payroll or a line item in the cost column of a ₹3000 crore aircraft. He was a human being. A son, a colleague, a commander, entrusted with hundreds of lives on each flight. But more importantly, he was one of yours — part of the Tata family, or so we’re often told in town halls and mission statements.

And yet, as his 88-year old ailing father stood by his son’s pyre — alone, broken, and betrayed — the Tata Group, that venerable institution that once stood for grace and humanity, could not even spare a board representative. No shoulder to lean on. No condolences delivered in person. One wonders: is this the “New India” the Tata Group wants to lead?

You see, leadership is not just about IPOs and synergies. It’s also about presence — especially in the dark moments. Ashwani Lohani, a former Air India Chairman, understood this. When a relatively junior Flight Despatcher passed away in Mumbai years ago, Lohani didn’t send a card or a floral arrangement. He showed up — and went further, offering the grieving wife a job. No cameras. No LinkedIn posts. Just humanity.

Now imagine for a moment — would J.R.D. Tata have stayed away? Would Ratan Tata, who personally visited animal shelters and grieving ex-employees, have sent regrets via social media posts and emails?

No, they would’ve been there. Because they understood that airplanes may cost thousands of crores, but the men and women who fly them are priceless.

It’s not about protocol, sir. It’s about people. And when the Chairman of Tata Sons cannot find time to attend the funeral of a Captain who dedicated his life to serving the skies under the Tata banner, what message does that send to the rest of the crew?

The message is loud and clear: You’re just a name in a roster. A code in the system. An employee number.Replaceable.

Today, the employees of Air India feel abandoned. Not by fate, not by circumstance, but by you. And in your absence, we saw everything.

Warm regards (though with little warmth left),

[Name withheld]
On behalf of many disillusioned voices

nishant.gupta · Post by **nishant.gupta** » 20 Jun 2025 12:31

I received this email from CEO & MD of Air India as surely everyone who is part of the Maharaja club would have received.

They are trying to make it clear that they will not accept a "pilot error" theory.

We are reaching out with heavy hearts following the tragic crash of Air India Flight AI171 on June 12, 2025. The loss of 241 passengers and crew members, along with 34 people on the ground, has left us all in deep sorrow. Words cannot express the pain we feel for the families and loved ones affected by this devastating event. We are fully committed to doing all we can to support the families impacted and are also working closely with authorities to understand the cause of this tragedy. Our thoughts are with everyone touched by this loss.

At Air India, your safety is our highest priority and always has been since we took over the airline in 2022. In this context we want to share some important facts about Flight AI171 to provide clarity during this difficult time:

Our Crew : The flight was led by Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, a highly experienced pilot and trainer with over 10,000 hours flying widebody aircraft. First Officer Clive Kunder, had over 3,400 hours of flying experience.

Our Aircraft : The plane was well-maintained, with its last major check in June 2023 and the next scheduled for December 2025. Its right engine was overhauled in March 2025, and the left engine was inspected in April 2025. Both the aircraft and engines were regularly monitored, showing no issues before the flight.
These are the facts as we know them today. We, together with the entire aviation industry, await the official investigation report to understand more.

Arising from this tragedy, and as directed by the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) on June 14, 2025, we have been conducting thorough safety inspections on our 33 Boeing 787 aircraft. So far, inspections have been completed on 26 and these have been cleared for service. The remaining aircraft are currently in planned maintenance and will have these additional checks done before being released into service. Following the review, the DGCA has confirmed that our Boeing 787 fleet and maintenance processes fully meet safety standards.

Regrettably, the time required to perform these enhanced safety checks, along with the application of extra caution, external factors like airspace closures in Iran and the Middle East as well as night-time restrictions at some international airports, along with normal airline technical issues, has led to a higher-than-usual number of cancellations on our long-haul network in the past few days. We know these disruptions have been frustrating, and we’re truly sorry for the inconvenience.

As a confidence-building measure, we have elected to continue enhanced pre-flight safety checks on our Boeing 787 fleet and, as an added measure, our Boeing 777 aircraft, for the time being. Given the time these additional checks will consume and the potential impact on schedules, we have decided to reduce our international widebody flights by around 15% starting June 20, 2025 through to at least mid-July. This will also allow us to have more backup aircraft ready to handle any unexpected issues.

We understand that this temporary reduction to our schedule may affect your travel plans, and we’re deeply sorry for any inconvenience. If your flight is impacted, we will contact you to offer rebooking on another flight at no extra cost, or a full refund. We will share the updated international schedule within the next few days.

This is a challenging time for all of us. We are grateful for your support, and your understanding that safety must always come first. Your trust means everything to us, so if you have any questions or need assistance, please don't hesitate to contact us through our customer support channels.

Thank you for choosing Air India, and for being part of the Maharaja Club.
We are dedicated to serving you with care and, always, with safety.
Warm regards,
sign
Campbell Wilson
CEO & MD
Air India

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 20 Jun 2025 13:41

Campbell must be fired. And an Indian CEO appointed instead.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Jun 2025 16:16

Air India Crash: Govt says no decision on sending black box to US yet, the Boeing 787 had 2 sets of black boxes and both recovered, regular airline reviews to be institutionalised

The Boeing 787 aircraft had two sets of black boxes. One combined unit of the Digital Flight Data Recorder (DFDR) and Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) was recovered from the crash site on 13 June 2025. The second unit was recovered on 16 June.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... s?from=mdr

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 20 Jun 2025 17:25

vera_k wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:03 Info on the call is from the police who got it from ATC at the airport. Possible the accident investigation finds something else, since communication was cut off after this call.

Mayday call

I hate to be the one to nitpick but the actual words as per that article don't mention the 'no power, no thrust' part.

It says 'Thrust not achieved...'

Hence my query if the actual wording of the call has been offically released.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Jun 2025 23:55

Accident investigators have not released anything officially yet.
Even what was reported in the WSJ attributed to accident investigators says it is a preliminary finding and only confirms there was a mayday call.

All of the speculation around various types of causes is just that - speculation.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 21 Jun 2025 20:21

vera_k wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 23:55 Accident investigators have not released anything officially yet.
Even what was reported in the WSJ attributed to accident investigators says it is a preliminary finding and only confirms there was a mayday call
All of the speculation around various types of causes is just that - speculation.

Right, sir.

At the moment it is speculation though reasonably deductive based on viewable observations (thanks to the amateur video and the survivor account).

It might well take months before anything is released officially.

The unfortunate part is that our labs have not been up to the level required to do the conclusive investigation and be the final authority as the black box had to be shipped to the US.

I may come across as a paranoid conspiracy theorist but from the past few years i don't trust the American institutes and certainly not their media. They have increasingly come across as extensions or just tools furthering the narrative of their establishment and its vested interests many of which are at odds with those of India. I won't be surprised if they give a clean chit to Boeing and GE and find ways to put the blame elsewhere.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 22 Jun 2025 00:26

The strongest disincentive against not identifying root cause is that a problem if not identified and fixed will happen again. This applies to all actors in the business.

bala · Post by **bala** » 22 Jun 2025 06:40

Some new news on Air India.

Civil aviation regulator DGCA has ordered the immediate removal of three senior Air India officials, including a divisional vice president, from all responsibilities related to flight crew scheduling and rostering. The directive is among the sternest interventions in recent months involving a full-service scheduled airline. The DGCA has also asked the Tata Group-owned carrier to initiate internal disciplinary proceedings against the three unnamed officials without further delay. Failure to do so would result in severe action, including the possibility of the airline losing its operating permission.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kAsoXjofKs

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Jun 2025 10:07

Manish_P wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 20:21
vera_k wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 23:55 Accident investigators have not released anything officially yet.
Even what was reported in the WSJ attributed to accident investigators says it is a preliminary finding and only confirms there was a mayday call
All of the speculation around various types of causes is just that - speculation.
Right, sir.

At the moment it is speculation though reasonably deductive based on viewable observations (thanks to the amateur video and the survivor account).

It might well take months before anything is released officially.

The unfortunate part is that our labs have not been up to the level required to do the conclusive investigation and be the final authority as the black box had to be shipped to the US.

I may come across as a paranoid conspiracy theorist but from the past few years i don't trust the American institutes and certainly not their media. They have increasingly come across as extensions or just tools furthering the narrative of their establishment and its vested interests many of which are at odds with those of India. I won't be surprised if they give a clean chit to Boeing and GE and find ways to put the blame elsewhere.

Manish ji,

They have to release a preliminary report with findings in one month and that is India's responsibility

The investigations can and will continue

If this preliminary report is not released in a month, give or take, then (boeing and) FAA/NTSB will unilaterally release it

they have done this before in some accident cases

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 22 Jun 2025 10:10

chetak wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 10:07
They have to release a preliminary report with findings in one month and that is India's responsibility

The investigations can and will continue

If this preliminary report is not released in a month, give or take, then (boeing and) FAA/NTSB will unilaterally release it
....

Chetak sir, if the black box is with the americans then how can India take the responsibility of the findings ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Jun 2025 10:16

Manish_P wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 10:10
chetak wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 10:07
They have to release a preliminary report with findings in one month and that is India's responsibility

The investigations can and will continue

If this preliminary report is not released in a month, give or take, then (boeing and) FAA/NTSB will unilaterally release it
....

Chetak sir, if the black box is with the americans then how can India take the responsibility of the findings ?

Manish ji,

The black box will not be opened in secrecy. All representatives will be present and keenly watching/observing the entire process to ensure that there is no hanky panky

Since the accident occurred in India, the responsibility is India's

however,

VI@WA

India’s DGCA, snubbed globally, is a cosy club of IAS officers with no aviation expertise

In June, when the US Federal Aviation Administration — deemed the apex airline regulator worldwide — called civil aviation authorities from across the world to review software modifications to the grounded Boeing 737 Max, it didn’t extend the invite to India’s watchdog — the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA).

This despite the fact that India is one of the 10 countries that flew the controversial new generation jet and is also one of the world’s fastest-growing aviation markets.

It was no anomaly — just the latest in a series of international aviation safety seminars that no DGCA official has been invited to.

DGCA representatives have, off late, not been invited to seminars of the US-based International Society of Air Safety Investigations (ISASI). The Indian aviation body has also been left out of safety seminars held in Europe.

the babooze, if and when invited, go along with their wives, to eat, sight see, shop and to otherwise freeload.

That is all that they are fit to do and in reality have nothing whatsoever to contribute, ergo no invites.

like hizzonners, they revere themselves at home in India, but are rightly despised globally as ignoramuses

so, what can be expected of such entitled personages ......

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 22 Jun 2025 12:38

^ Noted, Chetak sir.

As long as our experts are on overwatch during the data extraction to ensure no tampering...

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Jun 2025 18:07

Time for Modi to shake up DGCA.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 23 Jun 2025 02:11

vera_k wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 00:26 The strongest disincentive against not identifying root cause is that a problem if not identified and fixed will happen again. This applies to all actors in the business.

This is a great insight into why there won't be any hanky panky.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 23 Jun 2025 06:51

chetak wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 10:16
Manish_P wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 10:10

Chetak sir, if the black box is with the americans then how can India take the responsibility of the findings ?

Manish ji,

The black box will not be opened in secrecy. All representatives will be present and keenly watching/observing the entire process to ensure that there is no hanky panky

Since the accident occurred in India, the responsibility is India's

however,

VI@WA

India’s DGCA, snubbed globally, is a cosy club of IAS officers with no aviation expertise

In June, when the US Federal Aviation Administration — deemed the apex airline regulator worldwide — called civil aviation authorities from across the world to review software modifications to the grounded Boeing 737 Max, it didn’t extend the invite to India’s watchdog — the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA).

This despite the fact that India is one of the 10 countries that flew the controversial new generation jet and is also one of the world’s fastest-growing aviation markets.

It was no anomaly — just the latest in a series of international aviation safety seminars that no DGCA official has been invited to.

DGCA representatives have, off late, not been invited to seminars of the US-based International Society of Air Safety Investigations (ISASI). The Indian aviation body has also been left out of safety seminars held in Europe.

the babooze, if and when invited, go along with their wives, to eat, sight see, shop and to otherwise freeload.

That is all that they are fit to do and in reality have nothing whatsoever to contribute, ergo no invites.

like hizzonners, they revere themselves at home in India, but are rightly despised globally as ignoramuses

so, what can be expected of such entitled personages ......

that article is from back in 2019... we need to dig into this deeper.. something interesting ..

https://theprint.in/india/indias-dgca-s ... se/270579/

including the agency called ISASI has a very shady looking website.

https://www.isasi.org/

this does not seem to be any kind of official government /regulatory type body. seems commercial..

Affiliated Societies are located in Asia, Australia, Canada, Europe, Latin America, Middle East and North Africa, New Zealand, Pakistan, United States and West Africa .

members are a mish-mash of countries and continents with one name appearing very prominently. what kind of regulatory agency write that way?