Israel-Hezbollah-Iran War

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 20 Jun 2025 08:41

skumar wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 00:58 Questions for Iran
Does Iran still maintain its official policy of the destruction of the state of Israel and cultivating terrorist groups in support of this policy?
Does any state deserve to have this existential threat hanging over it for decades?
When will Iran abjure this stupid policy openly?

Questions for Israel
Do Netanyahu and Israel have a 30+ year history of lying about the Iranian nuclear program - about it being "almost ready" or "will be ready in 1-2 years"? Has Israel not cried wolf too often?
Did Netanyahu lie in the UN about Iraqi WMDs that was one of the many factors that cost at least half a million lives?

Iran - It is a stupid policy which most Iranians don't even endorse. They just want to get on with their lives, with sanctions relief and the same kind
of freedoms enjoyed by other countries. Policy making and the ideals of the revolution have been hijacked by the clerics, backed by the Revolutionary guard. They have been shouting `Death to Israel' and raising red flags in Mosques for the last 30 years, without having the means to do anything about it. It then justified Israel's actions. I think it came to a point where Khameni's advisors told him what he wanted to hear. The warning signs were there
- Houthi missiles have been largely useless. Hezbollah folded in a month, doing less damage with their rockets, than they did in 2006

Nethanyahu has been lying for 30 years, that Iran is about to make nuclear weapons. That is irrelevant, since he has got unlimited support from the US in the form of UN vetos and funding. Israel is spending $ 200 million a day only on air defence, which is funded by the US.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 20 Jun 2025 09:20

Dilbu wrote: ↑19 Jun 2025 17:33 Deansji why is unkil going with the crown prince who will surely bring back the unsavory memories of previous Shah regime. Is it too difficult for them to find another guy from Iran itself, like Younus in BD?

The crown prince can continue to dream but he isn't setting foot in Iran anytime soon. Israel does not have the means to undertake ground operations and there is no ways Trump is signing off on another prolonged middle-eastern war with US troops on the ground. I don't think we will see the end of islamist rule in Iran anytime soon. Infact, after this war, Khamenei and his fellow islamists may come out stronger domestically just like Paki army after Sindoor.

Bersheeba has been struck again. There was an article that Iran is using cluster bombs inside the missiles which is making it harder to intercept. WSJ also claims that Israel is running dangerously low on interceptor missiles, if so, i wonder how could they have miscalculated knowing Iran has over 3,000+ ballistic missiles pointed towards Tel Aviv?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 20 Jun 2025 10:44

Satellite Images Show Massive Damage To Iran's Arak Nuclear Facility

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 20 Jun 2025 11:10

There is only a hole in the top of the Dome, some will claim only 2 crows were hurt like 26 Feb 19

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 20 Jun 2025 12:04

Deans wrote: ↑19 Jun 2025 17:18 <snip>
Iran probably has the best educated population among the Muslim countries of the Middle East.
The US is trying to install the Shah's son - the crown prince, who is probably the only person more unpopular than the clerics, among Iranians.

"I agree with that... Iran has done remarkably well in the International Math Olympiad and has a strong physics and scientific background. In the 1970s, there were many good graduate students from Iran here in the US, and I spent quite some time with them (including visiting Iran)
Yes, Israel is very resourceful and good, and it's difficult to second-guess them. However, as I said, I feel Netanyahu is getting some poor advice, and his attack on Iran's nuclear site doesn't make much sense to me. An attack on reactors isn't very useful, and it would take a lot of firepower to destroy (disrupt may be but not destroy them completely) their centrifuges."

Hriday · Post by **Hriday** » 20 Jun 2025 13:46

Deans wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:41
skumar wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 00:58
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Nethanyahu has been lying for 30 years, that Iran is about to make nuclear weapons. That is irrelevant, since he has got unlimited support from the US in the form of UN vetos and funding. Israel is spending $ 200 million a day only on air defence, which is funded by the US.

Deans ji, as per news reports Iran is determined to develop nuclear weapons. Why they are enriching Uranium upto 60% when for nuclear power generation 3.67% is enough? It will enable them to quickly reach weapon level if an opportunity arrives. And they are building Fordow that is difficult to destroy. In addition they declared their intention to destroy USA and Israel and trying to exhaust the air defence of Israel by arming the proxies. Last, Iran itself targets the Israeli civilians in a war.

Considering all these why should we doubt if Iran will develop nuclear weapons? Previous Democrat govt of USA is known to be sympathetic to Hamas terrorists. If Israel didn't use this opportunity then another one may never come.
https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/iaea-chi ... 623562.htm

We did not say that,' IAEA chief denies Iran building a nuclear weapon.

Rafael Mariano Grossi, Directorate General of IAEA, told Sky News that from evaluation of the agency in Iran, they could not affirm that systematic efforts were observed in Iran manufacturing a nuclear weapon.
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"While we say that, at the same time, we say Iran is enriching 60% Uranium, the only country in the world doing that, so there were elements of concern but us to saying they are manufacturing a nuclear weapon? No, we didn't say that," he added.
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The IAEA had released a report recently stating that Iran is failing to meet its nuclear obligations for the first time in nearly 20 years. Soon after the report was published, Israel launched strikes on Iran's nuclear site programmes in the early hours of May 13, calling it Operation Rising Lion.

Another news dated June 10, 2025 given below.

https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/iran-ris ... 618541.htm

This week, Western nations will push for a measure at the IAEA's Board of Governors censuring Iran over its noncompliance with inspectors, pushing the matter before the U.N. Security Council. Barring any deal with Washington, Iran then could face what's known as "snapback" — the reimposition of all U.N. sanctions on it originally lifted by Tehran's 2015 nuclear deal with world powers, if one of its Western parties declares the Islamic Republic is out of compliance with it.

Iran's 2015 nuclear deal with world powers, negotiated under then-President Barack Obama, allowed Iran to enrich uranium to 3.67% — enough to fuel a nuclear power plant but far below the threshold of 90% needed for weapons-grade uranium.
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Iran now enriches up to 60%, a short, technical step away from weapons-grade levels. It also has enough of a stockpile to build multiple nuclear bombs, should it choose to do so.
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In the years since Trump's 2018 decision, Iran has limited IAEA inspections and stopped the agency from accessing camera footage. It's also removed cameras.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 20 Jun 2025 15:44

Hriday wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 13:46
Deans ji, as per news reports Iran is determined to develop nuclear weapons. Why they are enriching Uranium upto 60% when for nuclear power generation 3.67% is enough? It will enable them to quickly reach weapon level if an opportunity arrives. And they are building Fordow that is difficult to destroy. In addition they declared their intention to destroy USA and Israel and trying to exhaust the air defence of Israel by arming the proxies. Last, Iran itself targets the Israeli civilians in a war.

Considering all these why should we doubt if Iran will develop nuclear weapons? Previous Democrat govt of USA is known to be sympathetic to Hamas terrorists. If Israel didn't use this opportunity then another one may never come.
https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/iaea-chi ... 623562.htm

This is what I don't understand about the regime in Iran.

They make the kind of threats that only someone with nuclear weapons like North Korea or Pak would made.
Yet, all the non Israeli assessments were and are that Iran did not have nukes & were not anywhere close to getting them. In the Trump administration,
Tulsi Gabbard and the CIA would have every reason to agree with Israel's assessment.
The Iran nuclear deal was a win-win, because it gave Iran something from the only bargaining chip it had - its nuclear program.

Once, the US walked out of the JCPOA during Trump 1.0, Iran should have either redoubled efforts to make nukes, without doing anything to provoke Israel/US, or tried to have a new nuclear deal, during the Biden administration.
It chose instead to support Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis more aggressively and invest in ballistic missiles, rather than on defending itself.
It should ideally have done that after it had nukes.
After Israel defeated Iran's proxy forces, it should have negotiated a new nuclear deal, because it had no cards left - unless there's something we don't know.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 20 Jun 2025 15:48

One more pooch is why Iran didn't try to get S-400 batteries when it could. Don't think Russia was averse to selling it.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 20 Jun 2025 17:33

Over 60 Israeli fighter jets strike Tehran, destroy nuclear weapons project research centre

The Israeli military on Friday said it attacked dozens of targets in Tehran overnight using more than 60 fighter jets as the conflict between the two neighbouring foes entered its eighth day.

Israel's military revealed the strike also targeted what it called a centre for “research and development of Iran's nuclear weapons project”.

“60+ fighter jets struck dozens of military targets in Iran using approximately 120 munitions,” the IDF said in a statement.

The Israeli military further said in its statement that it had “completed a series of strikes in the heart of Tehran: dozens of targets were struck, including military missile production sites and the SPND (Organisation of Defensive Innovation and Research) headquarters for research and development of Iran's nuclear weapons project.”

The Israeli military described the SNPD headquarters as a centre that “is used for research and development of advanced technologies and weapons supporting the Iranian regime's military capabilities”. “Among the targets were sites producing missile components and facilities manufacturing raw materials used in casting missile engines,” it added.

The military also said it intercepted four UAVs launched from Iran overnight.

In a separate statement, the army said on Friday it had hit “three ready-to-launch missile launchers aimed at Israeli territory”.

In another statement, the Israeli military said its fighter jets have struck “several Iranian missile systems and radar installations in the areas of Isfahan and Tehran, which were intended to target IDF aircraft and disrupt their operations.”

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 20 Jun 2025 19:13

Dilbu wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 15:48 One more pooch is why Iran didn't try to get S-400 batteries when it could. Don't think Russia was averse to selling it.

In 2019, after Trump scuttled the Iran nuclear deal, Iran approached Russia for the S-400. My understanding is the clerics shot down that proposal as they were told that Iran's existing systems were superior and Iran also had S-300s. I think it has to do with the Clerics being non military people and military resources being divided between the regular army and the Revolutionary guard. There is a rivalry between the two and one of them can sabotage the procurement efforts of the other. In any case, if Iran had ordered them in say 2020, it would not have received them. India placed a order in 2018.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 20 Jun 2025 19:21

Thank you Deansji. Looks like a big KLPD as the IDF practically walked into their air space without much contest and are operating sorties round the clock. How Iran is still managing to launch missiles in such numbers is a mystery given the total loss of air cover to protect their launchers.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Jun 2025 20:50

The name “Operation Rising Lion” suggests that one goal of the operation is to return Iran to pre-Islamic Revolution state. The lion with rising sun was an emblem on the Pahlavi flag.

Assuming that this operation name is just part of psy-ops, is there any clue of Israeli intentions from whom in the Iranian leadership (other than Khameini) that one would have expected them to kill, but haven’t?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 20 Jun 2025 21:25

Regarding the S 400, I think the Top leadership was convinced by the Chinese like the Pakis that the H9B radar was very good

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 20 Jun 2025 22:07

Dilbu wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 19:21 Thank you Deansji. Looks like a big KLPD as the IDF practically walked into their air space without much contest and are operating sorties round the clock. How Iran is still managing to launch missiles in such numbers is a mystery given the total loss of air cover to protect their launchers.

Iran is three times the size of Ukraine and Russia for all it's ISR capability cannot monitor all of Ukraine's airspace.

That said, the majority of Iran's ballistic missiles have a range of under 1500 km, so they have to be based in western Iran. That is where Israel has air superiority and I don't think Iran has been able to launch many missiles from the West. They are using longer range, but older missiles, which can be launched from Central Iran, but are less accurate. The latest hits were under 50m from the Israel interior ministry and stock exchange buildings. More accurate missiles would have flattened those buildings. Iran is also launching fewer missiles, so that Israel is less able to detect launches. On the first 2 days, Iran launched 10-20 missiles at a time, now it is 1-5

skumar · Post by **skumar** » 20 Jun 2025 22:18

Deans wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:41 ... I think it came to a point where Khameni's advisors told him what he wanted to hear. The warning signs were there
- Houthi missiles have been largely useless. Hezbollah folded in a month, doing less damage with their rockets, than they did in 2006

Nethanyahu has been lying for 30 years, that Iran is about to make nuclear weapons. That is irrelevant, since he has got unlimited support from the US in the form of UN vetos and funding. Israel is spending $ 200 million a day only on air defence, which is funded by the US.

Iran is doing more damage than what western media would like us to believe - the destruction in Israel is clear even while it tries to control the news cycle.
Israel has the capability to damage the Iranian nuclear program but lacks the capability to destroy it which was the stated objective of this attack and also why Israel desperately wants US to jump in now.
The Iron Dome has been overwhelmed. Israel is also learning that attacking Iran is different from attacking Gaza, Syria, Lebanon (unpopular opinion).
Israeli air force controls much of Iranian air space but is still unable to prevent Iran from launching barrages of subsonic, supersonic and hypersonic missiles.

The way out should be to negotiate a disavowal from Iran of its stated policy of the destruction of Israel.

"Unlimited US support" is an oxymoron. The world is not taking the US seriously anymore with U-turns every day. Europe is meeting Iran separately without US. Trump says no one knows what he will do - he is absolutely correct, no one, including him, knows what he will do.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 21 Jun 2025 00:24

Interesting there are satellite images from pro Iranian sources when targets are hit in Haifa and Tela viv, but Interesting instead of taking out Israel's handful of AFB's, command centre, Naval ports, Iranian's seem to be hitting civilian areas for maximum media effect .

Let's see how many days thier BMs will be coming towards Israel.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 21 Jun 2025 07:16

Looking at the damage in Israel also, the Iran BM warheads seem to be Artillery shell type, this was seen in Nov 24 also when the Iranians tried to take out Israeli Nevatim airbase.

I think what is happening is Iranians have a few 2500KM range+ IRBM which Israel is intercepting with Arrow 3, their 1000 KM range BM are many with MIRV's which have small bomblets, Israel does not have enough Arrow-2 and Arrrow-3 to take of these saturation attacks, what is happening is Iran has been firing 20-60 BMs with 100-400 bomblet warheads, these are not accurate enough to take aircraft hangers but are good terror weapons as some bomblets will get through and hit Haifa and Tel aviv but not accurate enough to take out Runways or hardened bomb shelters- but given sheer numbers 5% get through.

On twitter this looks good, but only strengthens Israel resolve like the blitz in 1941. Israel will have daily keep at it and take out launchers and any industrial sites supporting these.

P.S- if US enters the war, Iran will have 2 advantages which it cannot use against Israel 1) Look Militias to attack soldiers and bases 2) Short range BM's which they have huge numbers for saturation attacks. So US will enter the war only if it feels Iranian BM launchers have been significantly been taken out.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 21 Jun 2025 22:11

I have a CT about why us wants to wait 2 weeks. Rahim yaar khan will only be operational in 2 weeks

bala · Post by **bala** » 22 Jun 2025 05:16

Israel kills another Iranian commander in the latest strike. This Iranian person was key for Hamas and he was eliminated in Qom, Iran. Iran is still sending missiles into Israel. More than half of Iran's missile capability has been destroyed by Israel's air force.

watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUfBftel_JE

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 22 Jun 2025 05:28

US bombs Iranian nuclear facilities

bala · Post by **bala** » 22 Jun 2025 05:33

Same news in:

Trump says US bombed Iranian nuclear sites

https://www.10news.com/politics/the-pre ... lear-sites

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Jun 2025 06:05

Trump quoting OS:

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Jun 2025 06:29

Is it possible that @OSInt613 has people on the ground in Iran? Just a WAG. Also it could be front for Mossad/CIA/MI6.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Jun 2025 06:33

FWIW: The three sites that Trump said were hit included Iran’s two major uranium enrichment centers — the under-mountain facility at Fordo and the larger enrichment plant at Natanz (which Israel struck several days ago ) The third site, Isfahan, is where Iran is believed to keep its near-bomb-grade enriched uranium, which inspectors saw just two weeks ago.

deWalker · Post by **deWalker** » 22 Jun 2025 06:36

I wonder if the B2s went through Paki airspace. Would explain Trumps accommodating attitude toward the Failed Marshal last week. “Here puppy…good boy”. Guam and Diego Garcia were red herrings and Iran wasn’t expecting an attack from their East.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Jun 2025 06:41

A U.S. official said on condition of anonymity, given the sensitive nature of the information, that multiple B-2 bombers carried out the strikes against the three nuclear sites...that a number of American B-2 bombers were used to hit Fordo. The bombers can carry the needed 30,000-pound, “bunker-buster” bombs that can penetrate into Fordo. It was not immediately clear whether other American warplanes were used in the strikes....Three senior Iranian officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, said they believed American forces had bombed Fordo and Natanz at around 2:30 a.m. in Iran...

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Jun 2025 07:00

The B2 apparently can carry two such bombs.

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Does this merit a Nobel peace prize?

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I have been unable to locate what open source intelligence is the basis of @osint613’s “Fordow is gone”. Anyone have better luck?

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 22 Jun 2025 07:04

Only if he provides us similar service next time we bomb pak-roaches

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 22 Jun 2025 07:06

Well, Gandhi Peace Award then. Which has been awarded fewer times than the Nobel.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 22 Jun 2025 07:18

i am curious if pakee airspace or so-virginity was violated in any way. I am trying to think of possible flight plans from DG

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 Jun 2025 07:55

This should deflate Muslims in Kashmir in particular and in Bharat in general.

Modi, Yogi, etc should take advantage of it

bala · Post by **bala** » 22 Jun 2025 08:33

DJT with Vance, Rubio and Hegseth, delivering an address to the US nation on June 21, 2025

President Trump Delivers Address to the Nation, June 21, 2025

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 22 Jun 2025 08:36

Also, we should start looking at a Starship level delivery platform. It can deploy 250 tons to LEO, so should be able to deploy around 12+ MOAB RVs along with decoys and a bus. B2s are expensive and will never get them....

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Jun 2025 09:11

If Iran's nuclear capabilities have been finished, will the war continue? The only reason for Israel/US to continue it is for regime change or to retaliate for the next Iranian strikes.

williams · Post by **williams** » 22 Jun 2025 09:18

A_Gupta wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 09:11 If Iran's nuclear capabilities have been finished, will the war continue? The only reason for Israel/US to continue it is for regime change or to retaliate for the next Iranian strikes.

The only means Iran can hurt the world is if it goes rogue and disrupts shipping in the strait of Hormuz. Nobody should be interested in regime change. But who knows crazy things can happen.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Jun 2025 09:28

^^^A day after Pakistan govt announced that it will nominate US President Donald Trump for Noble Peace Prize, US bombs Iran whom Islamabad calls 'brotherly' neighbour.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Jun 2025 09:35

Maybe Iran can show Pakistan some brotherly love, sending its remaining missiles there ASAP.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Jun 2025 09:39

Tidbits (Source NY Times):
- Saturday’s strikes marked the first time the U.S. Air Force had ever used the 30,000-pound bunker-busting bomb called the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator in combat.
- The B-2’s that struck the Iranian nuclear sites early Sunday flew non-stop for about 37 hours from their base in Missouri, refueling several times mid-air, a U.S. official said on condition of anonymity-
-Top Democrat on the foreign relations committee, said the Trump administration had not briefed Congress ahead of the strikes, calling that decision “unfortunate".(Top congressional Democrats say that they received only a perfunctory alert from the White House ahead of Trump’s announcement of the air strikes with no opportunity to seek details.
-António Guterres, the head of the U.N., said that he was gravely alarmed by the U.S. attacks on Iran. “This is a dangerous escalation in a region already on the edge – and a direct threat to international peace and security. There is a growing risk that this conflict could rapidly get out of control – with catastrophic consequences for civilians, the region, and the world,” Guterres said.
-The NASA fire information system detected a significant heat-generating event near the Fordo nuclear enrichment facility, with one detection about 30 minutes before President Trump announced the U.S. strikes. Often areas that are bombed or produce significant heat, such as from lasting fires, are detected
- A U.S. official said that six B-2 bombers dropped a dozen 30,000-pound bunker buster bombs on the Fordo nuclear site, which lies deep underground, and Navy submarines fired 30 TLAM cruise missiles at the Natanz and Isfahan sites. One B-2 also dropped two bunker busters on Natanz, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss military operations.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Jun 2025 10:37

A_Gupta wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 09:11 If Iran's nuclear capabilities have been finished, will the war continue? The only reason for Israel/US to continue it is for regime change or to retaliate for the next Iranian strikes.

Big if. A very big if. Orangeutan is given to boasting. I have very bad feeling about the success of the attack.

bala · Post by **bala** » 22 Jun 2025 10:47

This strike by the US must have many in the world terrified, especially China and Russia. Cheen has had to tuck its tail and slink away from two disasters in a row - Pak and Iran. This must result in some big shake up in the MIC of China and PLA. Russia has to witness one of its key allies in the middle east reduced to ruble.