India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Amber G.]

US could hand over Iran's nuclear supplies to Pak: Former official
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To put it mildly, that headline isn’t exactly "accurate." Rubin wasn’t endorsing the idea of handing Iran’s nuclear material to Pakistan — he was warning against it. The headline is a bit misleading and sensationalized.]

[A_Gupta]

Moderator, this is an ISPR press release. If not appropriate move or delete, I am uncertain.

No mention of future US mediation or Kashmir in the press release.

What a Failed Marshal has to do with trade or cryptocurrency is not clear.

Chief of Army Staff (COAS) of Pakistan, Field Marshal Syed Asim Munir, met with President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, at the White House. The high-level engagement was scheduled at the Cabinet Room over Luncheon followed by a visit to the Oval Office.

President Trump was accompanied by Secretary of State Senator Marco Rubio, and Mr. Steve Witkoff, the U.S. Special Representative for Middle Eastern Affairs. Field Marshal Asim Munir was joined in by Pakistan’s National Security Advisor.

During the meeting, the Chief of Army Staff conveyed the deep appreciation of the Government and people of Pakistan for President Trump’s constructive and result-oriented role in facilitating a ceasefire between Pakistan and India in the recent regional crisis. The COAS acknowledged President Trump’s statesmanship and his ability to comprehend and address the multifaceted challenges faced by the global community.

President Trump, in turn, lauded Pakistan’s ongoing efforts for regional peace and stability, and appreciated the robust counter-terrorism cooperation between the two states. Both sides reaffirmed their commitment to continued collaboration in the field of counter-terrorism.

Discussions also encompassed avenues for expanding bilateral cooperation in multiple domains including trade, economic development, mines and minerals, artificial intelligence, energy, cryptocurrency, and emerging technologies. President Trump expressed keen interest in forging a mutually beneficial trade partnership with Pakistan based on long-term strategic convergence and shared interests.

A detailed exchange of views also took place on the prevailing tensions between Iran and Israel, with both leaders emphasizing the importance of resolution of the conflict.

President Trump commended Field Marshal Asim Munir’s leadership and decisiveness during a period of complex regional dynamics. In a gesture reflecting the warmth of bilateral ties, Field Marshal Syed Asim Munir extended an invitation to President Trump, on behalf of the Government of Pakistan, to undertake an official visit to Pakistan at a mutually convenient date.

Although initially scheduled for one hour, the meeting extended for over two hours, underscoring the depth and cordiality of the dialogue.

The engagement marks a significant moment in the ongoing efforts to reinforce the longstanding partnership between Pakistan and the United States, built upon shared objectives of peace, stability, and prosperity.

[Amber G.]

From MIT News:
Anantha Chandrakasan named MIT provost

Congratulations! MIT has named Prof. Anantha Chandrakasan as its next provost, effective July 1, 2025. A distinguished engineer and current Dean of MIT’s School of Engineering, he has played a pivotal role in advancing interdisciplinary research across AI, sustainability, and computing.

Born in Chennai, India, Prof. Chandrakasan attended high school there before moving to the U.S. His mother, a biochemist and Fulbright scholar, had a lasting influence on his academic path—introducing him early to the world of scientific inquiry.

A proud moment for the Indian diaspora and a brilliant step forward for MIT

[A_Gupta]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 71989.html

Senior Congress leader Shashi Tharoor on Thursday reacted to US President Donald Trump hosting Pakistan Field Marshal and Army chief Asim Munir for lunch in the White House, saying that America could not have “forgotten the Osama episode so quickly”.

“I hope the food was good and he gets some food for thought in the process. I hope that in these interactions, the Americans reminded Pakistan of not enabling, guiding, training, arming, financing, equipping, and dispatching terrorists to our country from their soil,” Tharoor was quoted as saying by ANI.

[williams]

the pakis are useful idiots for the amrikis, clowns that are for sale and are easily bought as well, and amrika needs them right now as the tensions continue to peak between eyeraan and israel. there is also the grim possibility that amrika may also have to enter the fray

note how the amrikis have completely shut out the so called civilian govt, no pretence, no subterfuge, just showing the "elected" paki govt their aukat in front of the whole world while legitimizing a common thug like this failed marshal with a potus administered bj

besides, the stain of the pakis conspiring against another fellow jihadi nation will not wash away so easily

From a Strategic PoV, I think American love for the Pakis have never gone to zero. In fact it was Paki idea to handover Afganistan to the Taliban and we were never even given a table for that discussion.

Given the above it does make us wonder if our strategic mandarins in GoI played the scenario of American intervention in Op Sindoor. I think it came to them as a surprise. So now we are talking about a 4.5 front with America in the mix. Hope Modi Sarkar woke up to this reality and are working on a solution. But as someone mentioned Mullah Munir might be emboldened now to go for another terror attack. We need to anticipate that inevitability now.

[sanjaykumar]

Pakistan’s involvement is significant.

It will inflame Shia Sunni antagonisms for decades, if Pakistan lasts that long.

[chetak]

Pakistan’s involvement is significant.

It will inflame Shia Sunni antagonisms for decades, if Pakistan lasts that long.

sanjaykumar ji,

What of the cheen ..... ...

One of the many amriki conditions being imposed on the pakis is the requirement to re-align or delink from the cheeni sphere of influence, which means that the CPEC agenda will be sunk, causing the unforgiving and vengeful cheen very significant financial losses, which the cheen can ill afford, particularly under their present circumstances

the cheen already have more that a foothold in gwadar and also own outright many assets in porkiland and will not simply agree to fade away into the sunset. They will need to be paid or the cheen weapon systems supplied to the pakis will be neutered by withholding spares and essential upgrades, including the ching chong assets with the paki navy

This will force India to pivot sharply toward russia, causing some amount of geopolitical realignment, which may end up highlighting some hitherto unconsidered consequences like a possible rethink on the many alphabet soup agreements we now have with the amrikis, including the QUAD

[A Deshmukh]

he's 38 (and gay) and she's 47 and a paki

[Raja]

Orange man is doing what some of the orange man fanboys on here were making up stories about Biden govt. Pakistan is back wheeling and dealing literally weeks after sponsoring one of the worst terror attacks of recent years. There is no good way of describing this chain of events. Hopefully sanity will prevail and the extreme fan boyism around the orange man will disappear.

[Vayutuvan]

extreme fan boyism around the orange man will disappear.

In BRF forums, India, USA, or across the world?

[Amber G.]

Modi : "I rejected Donald Trump's invite to US to come to land of Lord Jagannath"
PM said "Trump extended the invitation with great INSISTENCE"
"I told the US President, thank you for the invitation but It is very important for me to go to the land of Mahaprabhu and hence I declined his invitation"

[Vayutuvan]

What is the above post? Why is this here? How is it useful?

[Kakkaji]

What is the above post? Why is this here? How is it useful?

It is useful because Modiji is sending a message that he cares more about his own people and his domestic priorities. He is not available at a superpower’s beck and call, unlike some other ‘leaders’ in the neighborhood who are willing to wait in a hotel for a week just to get an invitation for a lunch at the WH.

[Amber G.]

.. Hopefully sanity will prevail and the extreme fan boyism around the orange man will disappear.

Hopeful for sanity ???
.. and ^^^ Kakaji, Kid you not, I am not making this up -Donald Trump expresses his dismay for not getting the Noble Peace Prize for 'stopping the war'.

[Amber G.]

And..Pakistan to recommend Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize 2026: Pakistan statement. (Not making it up):

[Manish_P]

^ I endorse it wholeheartedly

In fact i say the FM should get it along with El Presidente

And India should send a few brahmos across the border just an hour or two before the two receive it

[SRajesh]

AmberGji
Ghar mein MemShahib made telling comment when I showed your Post:
And who Will Trust Pakistan's opinion in this world!!

[Mort Walker]

This is like the Heera Maandi association of Lahore issuing certificates of virginity for its customers. At this point, might as well nominate Trump for the 2026 Nobel Prize in Physics, Chemistry & Medicine.

[Aditya_V]

Quite Frankly no leader likes to be told he is working for anything other than his/her countries best interest. So this will backfire on the Pakis after a few months.

[Deans]

Quite Frankly no leader likes to be told he is working for anything other than his/her countries best interest. So this will backfire on the Pakis after a few months.

This tells us:
US values army chiefs more than the democratically elected leaders of that country.
Osama, Afghanistan debacle etc are forgotten.
We have no reason to engage with Trump, unless he addresses our interests.

It tells Pak abduls:
All the talk of India being a US puppet/ Ally etc are false.
Army is selling out Pak mineral rights.
Pak is doing a deal behind China's back.
Pak is honouring a leader committing genocide against Muslims (both Sunni - Palestine, and Shia Iran). All their anti Iran talk seems foolish. Even Netanyahu has not nominated Trump for anything.

[KL Dubey]

Abrahamic cretins are back to doing what they do best, i.e. killing each other...Bharat continues to support the Yahud faction which is the underdog (albeit with a sharp bite). In a world of turmoil exhausting the resources of entire countries and continents, Bharat should remain the beacon of stability and relentlessly grow, build, strengthen, and prosper.

[KL Dubey]

From MIT News:
Anantha Chandrakasan named MIT provost
A proud moment for the Indian diaspora and a brilliant step forward for MIT

Indeed. Let us hope Prof. "Endless Moonlight/Moonshine" will provide illuminating/intoxicating leadership to that institution.

[sanjaykumar]

India will provide a beacon of….

I read that as: a bacon of….


Anyhoo, do Pakistanis have any scruples? I should read Shaw’s Pygmalion (Pigmalion). No sir I’m too poor to afford ‘em.

[chetak]

British Navy crew of 30+ heading to Kerala with spare parts to INSPECT a grounded F-35B — STUCK for a week.

Just an INSPECTION — or something more

is this the junk that the amrikis are trying to con India into buying

[ashishmact]

Given the recent bonhomie between Amrika and pak , will cheen re think of stealth jets to pak ?

[williams]

Quite Frankly no leader likes to be told he is working for anything other than his/her countries best interest. So this will backfire on the Pakis after a few months.

This tells us:
US values army chiefs more than the democratically elected leaders of that country.
Osama, Afghanistan debacle etc are forgotten.
We have no reason to engage with Trump, unless he addresses our interests.

It tells Pak abduls:
All the talk of India being a US puppet/ Ally etc are false.
Army is selling out Pak mineral rights.
Pak is doing a deal behind China's back.
Pak is honouring a leader committing genocide against Muslims (both Sunni - Palestine, and Shia Iran). All their anti Iran talk seems foolish. Even Netanyahu has not nominated Trump for anything.

I think some faction of GoI knew this already but Op Sindoor brought this to light in a much more explicit way. We cannot blame the Pakis here. They saw their Chinese weapons were dud and they knew China has zero influence to stop India from further attacks. They now think they can sell themselves to their old uncle. Uncle has some leverage with India but not to the extent DJT imagined. Modi's phone call from Canada would have given clarity on India's redlines. I think DJT will realize he is left with a Jihadi nation selling itself and GoI not budging an inch on trade.

By now Chinese would have realized how Pakis have abandoned them and CPEC is left high and dry. We need to wait and watch if the Chinese is willing to invest more on their Paki relationship. Mineral rights in Paki land is not going to work out. You have the Iranians, Baluchis, and Afgans waiting for American blood. DJT is going to find that out soon. It is going to be interesting times to watch how the game will be played by these powers with the Paki pawn.

[Amber G.]

Continuing to disregard attempts at trolling from few

From Guardian

From Ceasefire to Peace Prize: When asking for mercy becomes a medal-worthy move!

You really can't make this up. Pakistan gets pummeled in Operation Sindoor, scrambles to request a ceasefire... and then nominates Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.

What’s next? Giving the fire extinguisher an award after you light your own house on fire? ....Best Costume Design for running from BrahMos..?

Apparently, asking not to be bombed counts as diplomacy now. And Trump? He probably thinks "Sindoor" is a Hindu deep-state plot to stain his legacy.

Meanwhile pesh hai

[Vayutuvan]

Continuing to disregard attempts at trolling from few

What?

[Cyrano]

Time for our external affairs ministry to call out the US as "state sponsor of state sponsor of terrorism".

[Cyrano]

Continuing to disregard attempts at trolling from few

What?

That's called a preemptive strike

[SRajesh]

^^Cyranoji
Yes exactly
In hindsight look at the chain of events:
1. Trump leaves the G7 meeting without signing the declaration ?? why was there no consensus to bomb Eyeran
2. Keeps Failed Munir waiting for Tamatar ki Chutney
3. Invites NaMoji who doesnt accept ?? Maybe he wanted to get NaMo to agree for a dialogue with Jihadis or just a visit prior to feeding Tamatar chutney to jihadi Gen. And just like his claim of stopping the conflict he (meaning DJT) wanted to simply claim India will talk to Jihadi
4. Maybe he wanted to throw a sop to Jihadi so that they claim a victory of sorts that India has ultimately come to its senses and has agreed to talk.
5. DJT today claims he has bombed a Terror supporting country ( what an irony given he fed another Terror country Gen)
6. And immediately following the attack we have just announced arrest of overground workers who have confirmed the identity of Paki Terrorist
There is a lot of messaging going on between Us and Unkil.
And Pakis with all their strategic brilliance are now caught between the rock and the hard place.
If they bend over to Unkil then Xi will used spiked danda next time they go to him!!

[Vayutuvan]

What?

That's called a preemptive strike

[A_Gupta]

Lindsey Graham's proposal is to impose 500% tariffs on any country that buys Russian energy. India, along with China, buys roughly 70% of Russian energy exports.
https://m.thewire.in/article/trade/us-s ... s-bill/amp

Graham was quoted as having said on June 22 in a television interview that he has 84 co-sponsors for the bill, "that is an economic bunker buster against China, India, and Russia for Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine. I think that bill's going to pass...It's time to vote on that bill."

It has 84 cosponsors, needs only 51 to pass the Senate.

Added: unclear whether Trump would veto it or sign it.

[pravula]

Lindsey Graham's proposal is to impose 500% tariffs on any country that buys Russian energy. India, along with China, buys roughly 70% of Russian energy exports.
https://m.thewire.in/article/trade/us-s ... s-bill/amp

Graham was quoted as having said on June 22 in a television interview that he has 84 co-sponsors for the bill, "that is an economic bunker buster against China, India, and Russia for Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine. I think that bill's going to pass...It's time to vote on that bill."

It has 84 cosponsors, needs only 51 to pass the Senate.

Added: unclear whether Trump would veto it or sign it.

84 votes will be veto proof.

[A_Gupta]

84 votes will be veto proof.

True!
The Senate bill is S.1241 - Sanctioning Russia Act of 2025
The companion House Bill is H.R.2548 - Sanctioning Russia Act of 2025, which has 72 co-sponsors, quite a bi-partisan set.

Main thing to note is that it authorizes the President to impose tariffs, but it does not seem to require him to do so.

Also, Bing CoPilot points out that both bills face a crowded legislative calendar and will takes months if ever to be passed.

Govtrack.us
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/s1241
gives it a low probability of being passed.