Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses

[drnayar]

Is there any truth to these Youtube reports of:
1. China's Covid death runs into few hundred million
2. Actual population is around 800 million
3. Streets and Malls are empty in most cities
4. Factories are shutting down
And if these are true can they field a big army in case of conflict??
Just like their Mizzilies their Army numbers are also Dud and they fold up if Unkil gives a good rap!!

There are reports of Covid in kerala state as well ..

[Vayutuvan]

Don't know how true this news, but this is stunning news - Xi jinping is under house arrest.

Sumit Peer and Sree Iyer are reporting: Apparently Belarus chief had to meet Xi at his house. Xi has been missing for 15 days now.
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How is Xi gonna meet DJT then? Probably a Chinese agent in MI like mask. Some SS guy will be in Trump mask.

[bala]

How is Xi gonna meet DJT then?

Watch this for more inner detail on what is going with Emperor and CMC. Hu Jin Tao the previous guy before Emperor is playing some chess moves. The most trusted person of Emperor has thrown the emperor under the bus and wants him removed. There are 7 key people in top leadership of CCP. 3 were removed by Emperor. One of his trusted guys is in the 4 left and this person (a vice chairman) has no trust for Emperor's leadership. Emperor has decimated the top PLA honchos one by one. PLA is mighty pissed with the Emperor and they are baying for his blood. DJT is going to meet a weak Emperor and DJT is hoping that Emperor caves in to US/his demands.

watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=LjDWMXpT5_U

[SSridhar]

Xi's disappearance happens regularly. I do not read anything into it at all, even if it were true.

[Baikul]

I have been following India - China relations over the past decade but never in any depth to master the nuances.

From my surface level perspective it seems to me that never - in recent memory at least- has Beijing come out so openly, blatantly and aggressively in support of Pakistan as in the last skirmish with our western neighbours.

Is it fair to say that Beijing, who was perhaps earlier thought of as a serious rival and threat, should now be viewed as an openly hostile neighbour, if not an outright enemy?

In the aftermath of the Pahalgam crisis can we say that the Chinese, who were always pro Pakistani, have now made a clear, decisive and strategic ‘upstep’ that means that China will be more aggressive, open and blunt in supporting any Pakistani misadventure?

I’m hoping for a more nuanced discussion than “we were always enemies, saar”.

[drnayar]

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/artic ... arrier-ops

[drnayar]

"The international hit, Ne Zha, tells the story of a young boy destined to destroy the world. He must fight to choose between good and evil in order to break the shackles of fate and become the hero he desperately wants to be."

We hardly discuss chinese cultural stuff here.. but have to say there are incredible connections to Hindu lore.

Who is hindu mythology would be Nezha

[ramana]

Dr Sriparna Pathak wrote on Trump visa bans

Brain drain or Global Gain?

https://archive.is/2025.06.20-095806/ht ... 00283.html

[ramana]

Xi's disappearance happens regularly. I do not read anything into it at all, even if it were true.

However the news of the churn is interesting.

All is not well in Beijing.

We are seeing glimpses of inner tussle.
It behoves us to analyze. We maybe wrong but the process helps sharpen the mind.

[ramana]

I have been following India - China relations over the past decade but never in any depth to master the nuances.

From my surface level perspective it seems to me that never - in recent memory at least- has Beijing come out so openly, blatantly and aggressively in support of Pakistan as in the last skirmish with our western neighbours.

Is it fair to say that Beijing, who was perhaps earlier thought of as a serious rival and threat, should now be viewed as an openly hostile neighbour, if not an outright enemy?

In the aftermath of the Pahalgam crisis can we say that the Chinese, who were always pro Pakistani, have now made a clear, decisive and strategic ‘upstep’ that means that China will be more aggressive, open and blunt in supporting any Pakistani misadventure?

I’m hoping for a more nuanced discussion than “we were always enemies, saar”.

This support is a fallout of the inner tussle going on in Beijing after the withdrawal from occupied patrol points along LAC.
The faction that supports the Pakistan card became prominent.
However the abject performance of Chinese weapons in Operation Sindoor have struck a blow to this group. The defeat is not just that of Pakistan but of Chinese PLA and the so-called hardliners too.
As usual it takes a while to figure out the effect as China withdraws into a shell in such times.

[SSridhar]

Is it fair to say that Beijing, who was perhaps earlier thought of as a serious rival and threat, should now be viewed as an openly hostile neighbour, if not an outright enemy?

In the aftermath of the Pahalgam crisis can we say that the Chinese, who were always pro Pakistani, have now made a clear, decisive and strategic ‘upstep’ that means that China will be more aggressive, open and blunt in supporting any Pakistani misadventure?

Baikul, IMHO, the biggest reason is that China is still unsure if it is even the sole 'regional hegemon'.

This feeling of insecurity feeds into all its actions. Of course, "we have always been enemies" is a correct statement. After all, how else can we describe a country which gave nukes & missiles to our enemy with the sole purpose of bottling us up?

But, XJP may now be pressed for time because his fourth term may not be a guarantee for him anymore as the social contract which he entered with his people of making China a 'wealthy nation' is running into a very hard time. You never know what will happen by the time the 21st National Congress of the CPC meets in late 2027.

Now, XJP may be planning an invasion of Taiwan in 2026-2027 timeframe. He is unsure if India would remain neutral or join with other QUAD partners in military operations. Neither in Doka La nor in Ladakh PLA performed well.

He probably never expected India to dramatically escalate in the 4-day war. China has traditionally thought of Indian leaders as 'having no stomach' when it comes to the crunch, even though Uri, Doka La, Balakot, and Ladakh had shown increasing Indian belligerence and determination.

China probes through TSP and wanted to see how new Indian military structures/reorgs are working. When things really went out of control, China got alarmed. All its h/w failed miserably and the only thing that worked was the satellite imagery it provided to TSP. TSP will now demand more strategic platforms from China and it will have to oblige too. China used to instigate TSP to keep us blocked economically, but now it may be planning to bypass us militarily in its goal for 'regional hegemony' by gas-lighting one more war (after Ukr, West Asia etc) between us & TSP at an appropriate time.

After this abject defeat, Pakistan now has an upper hand in the TSP-China equation because as usual TSP has the trigger at its own temple.

[bala]

Li Keqiang, China’s former Premier who said that China’s official economic numbers were “for reference only”. This is the man who managed China’s economy but didn’t trust the GDP stats of his own government that was officially published. He died under mysterious circumstances in 2023. Li Keqiang used his own Index which used electricity consumption, rail freight volume, and actual loan data instead of the official Chinese GDP number.

Ken Cao exposes this episode in China.

Premier Li Exposed China’s Fake GDP — Now He’s Dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq2t8GU6YlQ

[krithivas]

China has completely stopped exporting specialty fertilisers to India. This has been happening for the past two months, even though there is no official announcement or formal ban from Chinese authorities .... Between June and December every year, India imports around 150,000 to 160,000 tonnes of these speciality fertilisers. These are essential for growing better crops during this time, especially in key farming states.

Although China is still exporting to other countries, shipments to India have been stopped. This is being done using unofficial methods. Reports say Chinese customs authorities are not clearing Indian shipments. Instead of banning them openly, they are using inspections and procedural delays to block the exports.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... 53aa&ei=12

[bala]

A complete slap to the face of Emperor and China on the succession plan of the next Dalai Lama of Tibet.

On July 02, Dalai Lama announced that Gaden Phodrang trust has sole authority to recognise future reincarnation. This ended the years of waiting by followers of Tibetan Buddhist spiritual leader for details about his succession. While speaking at 15th Tibetan Religious Conference, Dalai Lama said “no one else has any such authority to interfere” regarding future reincarnation.The 3rd day conference comes ahead of the Dalai Lama’s 90th birthday on July 6. He had said on June 30 that there will be a “framework” to discuss his succession ahead of his birthday. Dalai Lama’s statement on July 02, expected to irk China, which views him as a separatist. The Dalai Lama, fled Tibet in 1959 after a failed uprising against Chinese rule.

Gaden Phodrang Trust has sole authority to recognise future reincarnation: Dalai Lama