Understanding the US - Again

[pravula]

Agree, think Bell Labs. Companies are driven by profit and competitive edge, but policy should exist to reward it. "carbon sequestration" is one such program. Why would anyone invest in developing it when that coal plant can just buy carbon credits from EV/Solar companies?

There is more basic science research in any industry labs. Bell Labs is no more. Bell Core is finished. Xerox PARC is over. IBM Watson still does some research. Only a few projects I can think of are Google/IBM/MS doing research in physical realization of quantum computers.
I am not a biologist, but pharma companies do have labs where do they research. Are they doing basic research?

University Math/Physics/Chemistry/Biology departments have become service departments.

We are saying the same thing. I was using Bell Labs as a concrete example of foundational research. And yes, its cheaper to have universities to run these basic research, labour is extremely cheap. A single research scientist will typically make 5 to 10x what a post-doc makes.

[Vayutuvan]

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/202 ... n-science/

[Vayutuvan]

We are saying the same thing. I was using Bell Labs as a concrete example of foundational research.

Correct. I expanded on your example.

[Vayutuvan]

https://www.microlit.us/top-10-scientif ... in-the-us/
This is an early 2021 article.

Top 10 Scientific Research Institutes in the US

Research & Development in the United States (US) is funded and performed by top research universities & institutes in the US, along with the federal government, state governments, businesses, academia, and non-profit organizations. With the contributions from these sectors, the US emerged as the global leader in R&D in the 20th century, funding 69% of annual global research efforts.

Investment in R&D

Over the years, R&D investment has only grown in the country. Medical and health R&D spending in the US grew by 6.4%, reaching $194.2 billion from 2017 to 2018. Additionally, in 2018, US businesses reported $441 billion for R&D performance, a 102% increase from 2017. Of the $441 billion that companies spent on research, $29 billion was spent on basic research, $65 billion on applied research, and $347 billion on development.

The US also maintains its position as the most prolific publisher of high-quality natural-sciences research in the Nature Index with a share of 20,152.48. It further continues to be bolstered by its top-performing institutes, such as Harvard University, Stanford University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), and National Institutes of Health (NIH), all of which are considered some of the top & largest medical research institutes in USA.

Fostering Scientific Research

R&D investment in the US only continues to grow with The Association of Public and Land-grant Universities and the Science Coalition’s introduction of a bipartisan bill in the United States Congress that would expand the budget of the National Science Foundation by $100 billion over the next five years. This investment would help the country to increase research in areas like machine learning, artificial intelligence, robotics, and advanced manufacturing, providing research opportunities at universities and support for undergraduate programs and research.
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[Vayutuvan]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... d-science/

Presidential Actions
Restoring Gold Standard Science
Executive Orders
May 23, 2025
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 7301 of title 5, United States Code, it is hereby ordered:
Section 1. Policy and Purpose. Over the last 5 years, confidence that scientists act in the best interests of the public has fallen significantly. A majority of researchers in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics believe science is facing a reproducibility crisis. The falsification of data by leading researchers has led to high-profile retractions of federally funded research.
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This certainly is a problem. I don't want my hard-earned dollars be wasted on imposter scientists who are after quick name, fame, and good amount of fast buck.

[Vayutuvan]

Ignoring bad ideas doesn’t make them go away; they will still eat
up funding. […] Killing ideas is a necessary part of science. Think
of it as a community service
— Sabine Hossenfelder, “Lost in Math”

[Tanaji]

I thought universities in US were essentially contract research centres for big companies. At least that’s what “industry-university partnership” meant. A long time ago at least, a lot of assistantships at post graduate level were directly funded by companies. Professors entered into 3-way contracts with the university, company and themselves and delivered whatever the industry wanted. At least this was the case with engineering streams. More basic research was invariably NSF funded. This allowed companies to get all the tax credit without the need for putting people on payroll, not to mention cheap labour in the form of graduate students.

Is that not the case anymore?

[Tanaji]

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/06/ ... ine-panel/

I think the time has or will come soon when all US citizens will have to show proof of vaccination before visiting another country.

[SRajesh]

Doesn’t it look like either DJT is brow beating or bombing people to make deals with him/US
He has everyone buying US arms
He has NATO agreeing to spend more and probably buy US arms
Wonder what he has promised the Jihadi or they to him
And the odd one out here is Eyeran
What deal is he going to make with them??

[A_Gupta]

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/06/ ... ine-panel/

I think the time has or will come soon when all US citizens will have to show proof of vaccination before visiting another country.

Never wanted to witness this kind of downfall, the triumph of anti-science and unreason.

[Vayutuvan]

A long time ago at least, a lot of assistantships at post graduate level were directly funded by companies.
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Is that not the case anymore?

Which decade and which area? I am presuming that your personal experience. You are a EE right? DSP?

[KL Dubey]

^^There are a few posters on BRF that subscribe to these unscientific and disastrous views on vaccination. I remember having a discussion on this topic, which I left because it was beyond repair.

There is also currently a resurgence in measles in several countries, mostly due to vaccine disinformation (BS autism claims) and resulting reluctance. It is concerning that that the US is one of those countries. In the US, the outbreak is centered from Texas and spreading now to other states where there is vaccine illiteracy and disinformation. On top of that, the US has withdrawn funding for global vaccination efforts. Good article here:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra2504516

...Misinformation suggesting that measles vaccine causes autism and that vitamin A prevents measles has been a serious threat to effective measles control and management in the United States and worldwide. More than 25 years ago, a campaign of misinformation suggesting that measles vaccine causes autism led to loss of confidence in MMR vaccines, especially in the United Kingdom.74 This misinformation has been thoroughly investigated and proved to be incorrect. In the United States, the recent decrease in childhood vaccinations has been associated with vaccine hesitancy. Estimates suggest that a 10% decrease in MMR vaccination in the United States may lead to 11.1 million measles cases over a period of 25 years.75

The withdrawal of the United States from global public health initiatives and from support of global immunization programs is having a profound effect on measles control worldwide. Specifically, removal of support for the WHO, for which the United States contributes 19% of the budget, and Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, for which it contributes 13% of the budget, will probably affect measles control and contribute to a large number of deaths from measles and other vaccine-preventable diseases in the poorest countries.76 As a result, the outlook for measles control in the coming years is bleak. This situation puts U.S. domestic health security at high risk, because infectious diseases do not respect geographic borders....

[Vayutuvan]

Never wanted to witness this kind of downfall, the triumph of anti-science and unreason.

Coming from a former democrat, no less. Also nephew of JFK. Probably his Irish catholic civilizational memory is driving this guy's anti-vacc stand. There are lot of non-scientists in both the parties. Dem leaders all are lawyers or social workers and a few Islamists for veriety. GROPers are MBA/Wall street/Lawyers/Christians.

But then in Indian leaders too are quite unscientific. Mahatma Gandhi himself believed in all kinds of cuckoo naturopathy and such.

[Vayutuvan]

^^There are a few posters on BRF that subscribe to these unscientific and disastrous views on vaccination. I remember having a discussion on this topic, which I left because it was beyond repair.

Link or didn't happen.

[Vayutuvan]

On top of that, the US has withdrawn funding for global vaccination efforts. Good article here:

People are living too long. Earth's resources are being exploited at an exponential rate. Either this or euthanasia. Pick your poison.

[KL Dubey]

I thought universities in US were essentially contract research centres for big companies. At least that’s what “industry-university partnership” meant. A long time ago at least, a lot of assistantships at post graduate level were directly funded by companies. Professors entered into 3-way contracts with the university, company and themselves and delivered whatever the industry wanted. At least this was the case with engineering streams. More basic research was invariably NSF funded. This allowed companies to get all the tax credit without the need for putting people on payroll, not to mention cheap labour in the form of graduate students.

Is that not the case anymore?

It never was. Perhaps is a few specific cases.

Teaching people how to do research (i.e. understand the scientific method, apply it, expand frontiers of knowledge, and to innovate non-trivially) is one of the most difficult things to do. This can't be done effectively using industry contracts, though that has its own place in applied R&D. Industry contracts to universities are usually "early applied R&D" which still requires significant fundamental research, i.e. advanced things that most industry cannot do in-house.

Fundamental and early-stage applied R&D in universities are funded heavily by multiple government agencies in all developed countries, because that is the reason they remain developed countries in the first place.

[KL Dubey]

We are saying the same thing. I was using Bell Labs as a concrete example of foundational research. And yes, its cheaper to have universities to run these basic research, labour is extremely cheap.

In developed countries where R&D are the key to continued prosperity, PhD students and postdoctoral fellows are not "cheap labor", they are given every incentive for learning to do research and producing new knowledge. See my other post.

A single research scientist will typically make 5 to 10x what a post-doc makes.

Apples to oranges comparison. A research scientist/research engineer is already a PhD graduate who learned and did research in a university earlier.

Long-term advanced research is universities is not cheap, in most cases its just as expensive (or more) than doing it in-house within a company. A university charges 40-50% overhead in order to maintain the infrastructure of an exclusively R&D-focused operation. For industry, it will be higher (60%) due to maintaining a contingent of IP and tech licensing lawyers and associates. PhD students get a good stipend, plus a tuition waiver, and insurance (totaling about $75-80K per year without overhead). Postdocs cost about $110-130K/yr.

[Tanaji]

Which decade and which area? I am presuming that your personal experience. You are a EE right? DSP?

EE yes but in Telecomms rather than DSP. I shall be forever indebted to the US education system - even though my madarssa was nowhere near elite, I still got a good education almost free of cost due to assistantships. It trained me and opened up my eyes in many respects. I wasn’t smart enough for IIT/IISc so this was amazing and life changing.

The US may have faults and I may make fun of it, but there is a lot of good in it as well which the ultra left seem to ignore.

[Vayutuvan]

Which decade and which area? I am presuming that your personal experience. You are a EE right? DSP?

EE yes but in Telecomms rather than DSP.

I was about to say Communications. My UG was in ECE - Electronics and communications Engg (non_IIT). I got an offer from IITD for 5 year Integrated MSc in Physics. Various reasons stopped me including my dad feeling that ECE has better job prospects than Physics. I am not unhappy with how things worked out though. I was not mature enough to have gone to an IIT. I would have failed miserably. By the end of my BE, I did was not really interested in most aspects of ECE but for DSP, Circuit Analysis. I got a RA to go to UCSB to study with a very famous Electronics Indian origin prof. Sanjay Mitra. But the visa officer denied a visa on the basis that I am unlikely to return as my family did not have enough assets for me to return to.

But US education system is by far the best compared to any other higher education system in the world, including European higher education.

When did you do your grad studies?

What @KL Dubey described is how it should work, ideally speaking. But it reality, if one digs a little deeper, some bad practices have crept in.

I will write more about my own experience(s) as I have a ringside seat looking in. I was lucky enough to be able to do independent research with no need for external funding.

[bala]

The Supreme Court of the US delivers a major ruling in favor of the DJT admin. The Supreme Court limited the use of nationwide injunctions that temporarily halted President Donald Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship.

What this means is that some Federal Judge in a left leaning state (NY, Kalifornia) rules against DJT Admin, and it applies across the US. These injunctions cannot be applied across the US is what the Supreme Court ruled. So what this means is fragmented rule of law is enforced in the US. Surprisingly Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan had written in 2022 during Bidenwa that an injunction should not be applied across the US, but the same Justice in this ruling went against others, she joined the other left leaning Justices of Supreme court! Talk about consistency at the law level.

Supreme Court delivers major win to Trump admin
Watch this for more details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbiabBxNPNk

[Rudradev]

A long read from Indu Viswanathan:

Don't tell me what Zohran Mamdani's victory means for me as a "South Asian" New Yorker.

I am a lifelong liberal New Yorker. I grew up in Westchester and I've lived in the city since 1997. I love this messy place. I believe in our particular spirit and expressions of democracy, pluralism, and human dignity that push against the towering impulses of this town. I love our viewpoint diversity, the push and pull of approaches, how our irreverence can be subtle and our kindness can be tough. And probably more than anything else, I love the intolerance of bullshit inherent to being a New Yorker. And that's why I am finding it so frustrating to see the gleeful, starry-eyed glorification of Zohran Mamdani, a person who glibly distorts facts, manipulates identity politics, and imports conflict like a commodity for political gain.

Let me be very clear. This isn't about his faith, his ethnicity, his birthplace, the languages he speaks, or his code switching, all of which I have seen used in attacks against him. This is New York, a city that actually thrives on and embraces diversity. Those attacks are not even worth addressing. What I do find to questionable, however, is the veracity of the words coming out of his mouth, regardless of the language or accent he is using at any given moment. That is the issue. His words belie a character that is performative, opportunistic, and deeply undemocratic. He is not a truthful voice of the marginalized, although this is exactly the story he has crafted to rise to power.

Mamdani is a projection of an illiberal, anti-intellectual left wing authoritarianism that has sunk its teeth into progressive politics. The kind of authoritarianism that makes me feel deeply pessimistic about the future of my party.

One of the most striking examples of how Mamdani does this is his recent claim that there are no more Muslims left in Gujarat, India. This isn't just inaccurate, or a gentle exaggeration to land a larger, more important point. It IS the point and it is a deeply irresponsible falsehood. Gujarat is home to over 7 million Muslims today, nearly 10 percent of the state’s population. To put that in perspective, there are more Muslims in Gujarat than there are in the entire United States.

Mamdani's lie isn’t accidental or something that can be dismissed. It is central to the larger fabrication of his own victimhood status in the world. Mamdani uses the false claim of Muslim “erasure” as supposed evidence that Narendra Modi committed ethnic cleansing of Muslims in the state. One lie props up the other. (I don't know why I have to talk about Modi in the context of NYC mayoral elections, but here we are.) Modi was investigated and cleared by India’s Supreme Court–appointed Special Investigation Team. To be clear, the violence in Gujarat was real and tragic. But it also began with the horrific killing of 59 Hindu pilgrims in Godhra, an inconvenient part of the story that Mamdani ignores entirely. Instead, he offers a selective, inflammatory version of events that erases facts, weaponizes suffering, and demonizes Hindus. Of course, every other "South Asian" that has risen to the top of progressive left American politics has more or less made the same false claims, so this doesn't raise any red flags.

But no one else, as far as I know, has gone the extra fictional step by erasing over 7 million Muslims from Gujarat. Bear in mind, Mamdani's own father is Gujarati Muslim. Mamdani erased his own people for political expediency. With that charming twinkle in his eyes.

You can see, immediately, how this gives him authority in a political landscape that equates narrated victimhood with authentic knowledge and insight. Exaggerated rhetoric become fact through repetition. And his victimhood story is premised upon erasure and silencing of inconvenient contexts. The maternal side of Mamdani's family tree is Hindu, and while he's free to practice whatever religion he wants, he never registers or acknowledges the very real oppression of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh or Kashmir. If he is going to bring up religious-based conflict in "South Asia," why isn't he bringing any of this to the conversation? In fact, he openly dismisses any discussion of these facts.

And If he’s willing to erase 7 million members of his own community of Gujarati Muslims for political expediency in New York, what does that mean for Hindus living in New York? What does it mean for the 5 million Jews living here? Shouldn’t we all be concerned when a public figure casually erases entire communities to score rhetorical points?

Mamdani's troubling track record is not limited to his lies about Gujarat. He has openly aligned with Khalistani separatists, a violent movement responsible for attacks on Hindu temples in North America. Though it is cloaked in the language of liberation, Khalistan is not about civil rights. It is a geopolitical tool of destabilization, which has roots across the United States, including on college campuses. By sympathizing with its narratives, Mamdani has chosen to align himself with forces that openly target Hindus here in the United States. Doesn't that matter?

I support liberal values, when they’re rooted in truth. But what Mamdani represents is not liberalism or progress. It is distortion and spectacle crafted to fit perfectly into the small maximalist tent that the progressive left has come to herald as "radical liberation from oppression." I find it very hard to take the moral grandstanding and admonitions of the American progressive left about critiques of Mamdani with even a grain seriousness when they seem to be either oblivious to Mamdani's blatant lies (in which case they're ignorant) or if they are not oblivious, it doesn't seem to matter to them (in which case they are unethical). This does not reflect a commitment to justice and truth-telling by Mamdani or the people who support him. This is something else entirely.

it's very easy to reduce the critiques of Mamdani to racist, xenophobic ramblings of white, Christian supremacists. I'm not asking for him to be deported or questioning his integrity because of his religion or race. I question his integrity because he blatantly lies and he blatantly lies because he will be rewarded because his lies fit neatly into a narrative that he can ride to the mayor's office. The ease with which people are willing to reduce entire groups of New Yorkers to immoral actors, unless we acquiesce to their narrative about us, is the kind of bullshit that no real New Yorker would or should put up with. Nor should anyone who believes integrity still matters in public life.

Moreover, a NYC mayoral campaign should not be a referendum on foreign conflicts, especially when people from all sides of those conflicts live here, work here, and raise families here. Yet Mamdani consistently brings international flashpoints into local politics, whether it’s Palestine or India, because his goal is to evoke a version of facts that paints him as the victim, because his goal is not the truth or justice, but a particular agenda that benefits from him being the victim.

This is not the kind of leadership this city needs, regardless of ethnicity or religion or immigration status. It is narrative manipulation masquerading as moral clarity and it makes me nauseous.

This is the danger of identity politics and the culture wars. They dampen critical thinking and replace honesty with posturing. They reward performance over principle, allegiance over integrity, and reductive meme-like narratives and slogans over complex facts that the average New Yorker can actually handle. In this landscape, truth becomes secondary to optics and there is a real cost, not just to the informed decision making of voters in a democracy, but to the lives and communities of New Yorkers erased and demonized n the process.

And of course, the great irony in all of this is that I know by speaking out, I’ll be accused of being a mouthpiece for an imaginary Hindu supremacist movement that Mamdani and other "South Asians" have conveniently prepared as a way for you all to "legitimately" doubt me. Listen, I'd rather not talk about Indian politics or South Asia in the context of the New York City mayoral race. But somehow, the very act of asking for factual accuracy, viewpoint diversity, and just a shred of dignity when it comes to those conversations will be spun as evidence of how dangerous I am. If you are Hindu American and speak something other than the fixed narrative, you are suspect and possibly even a double agent. If you are Hindu American and stay silent, you are demonized by the narrative. Either way, the narrative remains intact. That is what makes what he and other "South Asians" on the progressive left are doing so profoundly illiberal and so profoundly undemocratic. So un New York. And if you're going to question my veracity because I am a Hindu American who refuses to say the "right thing," you can go kick rocks. I am an American and a New Yorker and I have a right to ask questions, to ask for receipts, to check sources, and to question what a candidate for public office is claiming. It is not just my right, it is my responsibility.

It has been nauseating to be on social media this week. I haven’t felt this politically orphaned, socially isolated, or sickened in a very long time. To watch people I once admired as proponents of justice and fair-mindedness now cheer on a public figure who is so clearly performative, who so brazenly distorting and leveraging his manufactured victimhood is disheartening and isolating.

What sickens me even more is that some people will read this and will still support him with full enthusiasm, as if he is a progressive messiah of truth and honor. Even some Hindu Americans. Even people who know the facts and say they care about things like truth, justice, and inclusion.

It doesn’t seem to matter that Mamdani has been recorded using anti-Hindu slurs. It doesn’t seem to matter that he erases 7 million Muslims to fit his narrative. It doesn’t seem to matter that he ignores the persecution of Hindus, aligns with violent separatist rhetoric, and recycles dehumanizing tropes about entire groups of New Yorkers.

His performance is too good. He has the look, the vibe, the story, the charisma. The narrative is too comforting, especially for the white guilt-ridden, identity-obsessed, New York Times-trusting crowd. His schtick is addictive and it is built upon an established landscape of factual distortion that started long before he arrived on the scene. I can see it all around me. Mamdani is just riding the wave.

But don’t tell me his victory represents me in any way. I’d gladly take a white person who doesn’t lie about genocide over someone who vaguely shares my background but manipulates it so grotesquely.

Representation without integrity and honor is nothing to celebrate. Hopefully, the rest of New York City will figure this out. We still have time to see through this and call bullshit.

PS. While the topic of divestment is on the table, let's divest completely from petrodollars and see what happens to American institutions, "progressive" consensus, and political campaigns.

[A_Gupta]

Tx, @Rudradev

[A_Gupta]

CNN, lies exposed.
https://youtu.be/BmuXBA8W7A8?si=fRzNhgc8NWcjdDEX

[chetak]

The US Supreme Court handed President Donald Trump a major victory by curbing the power of lone federal judges to block executive actions

https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 745242.ece

[Tanaji]

@Vayutuvanji,

Would love to hear about your experiences and views. My experience was from late 90s early 00s…

It is sad that Indian students have to go to places like Iran, Ukraine etc for higher education, in fact its a travesty. It speaks volumes about our shortcomings. In STEM, beyond the IITs/BITS and IISC type places, the quality of post grad/doctoral education in abysmal or was until 10 years ago. Not sure how much has changed.

I think this is OT so maybe education thread or miscellaneous thread?

[Yagnasri]

As far as the NY Mayor race goes, the city will elect the Jihadi. That is now given. Dems hate Hindus, want global intifada, love and deep connection with Islamist fellows, ok for communist ideas and all that. So this Jihadi checks all those boxes. In fact you are seeing a perfect Dem candidate.

[sanjaykumar]

Mamdani is Jagmeet redux. And will prove to be as competent. Only he has attracted the vilest abuse including death threats from the American mainstream population.

He finally knows what hate for his ethnic/religious identity is. And he learnt that in America not India.

I have to laugh.

[gakakkad]

@Vayutuvanji,

Would love to hear about your experiences and views. My experience was from late 90s early 00s…

It is sad that Indian students have to go to places like Iran, Ukraine etc for higher education, in fact its a travesty. It speaks volumes about our shortcomings. In STEM, beyond the IITs/BITS and IISC type places, the quality of post grad/doctoral education in abysmal or was until 10 years ago. Not sure how much has changed.

I think this is OT so maybe education thread or miscellaneous thread?

there have been some improvements but not enough to keep up with demands. I think the ones who went to iran are religious types and must surveilled.
Ukraine they were mainly med students and it has a lot to do with the emotional attachment to kids being doctors and the false sense of prestige about kids being doctors. a lot of them don't do well. i know several

[A_Gupta]

While I am not a fan of this vlog, it does a good job of picking apart Zohran Mamdani.
The Sham Sharma Show
Zohran Mamdani CONTROVERSY | Next Indian-American Mayor Of New York?
https://youtu.be/5XhkaW8J7p8?si=i_SSTMqdgb3WeOpN

[A_Gupta]

An American response to Indu Vishwanathan's piece was, it is long and rambling and about issues I know very little about. If your goal was to diminish support for Mamdani, it hasn't worked, I continue to like and admire him.

My next try:

One way to rise in American extreme left politics is by having a personal story of being oppressed. If your origin is in the Indian subcontinent, then your persecution story is usually that of being persecuted by Hindus. (In American leftist politics, Hindu-Americans are "white-adjacent" and are also oppressors.)

Zohran Mamdani is the son of an Indian-origin HIndu filmmaker, Mira Nair, who made her name purveying well-made poverty p-o-r-n movies to the West, and Mahmood Mamdani, Ugandan-American academic. While events in India should have little to do with NYC politics, Mamdani saw it fit to say in one of his debates for public office, that Indian Prime Minister Modi had swept the state of Gujarat clean of Muslims - when actually around seven million live there as of 2025, and quite a few even vote for PM Modi and his party.

The question all you admirers and likers of Mamdani have to ask yourselves is, why would Mamdani utter such a disgusting lie? Why would he bring this up when as someone else here pointed out, the average American is totally clueless about India. You are quick to detect race-baiting code in Reagan, Bush, Trump, Vance, etc., you have to ask yourselves what Mamdani was signaling, to whom, and whether you apply the same standards to all of your politicians. Is the veracity of the facts underlying their opinions important to them (and to you)? When it isn't, well, you have one prominent example, Donald J Trump.

[Vayutuvan]

Ukraine they were mainly med students and it has a lot to do with the emotional attachment to kids being doctors and the false sense of prestige about kids being doctors. a lot of them don't do well. i know several

What about China? I know some people who went to China for medical education.

[Vayutuvan]

As far as the NY Mayor race goes, the city will elect the Jihadi. That is now given. Dems hate Hindus, want global intifada, love and deep connection with Islamist fellows, ok for communist ideas and all that. So this Jihadi checks all those boxes. In fact you are seeing a perfect Dem candidate.

Bill Clinton Xposted congratulating this fellow. Chuck Schumer did congratulate but stopped short of endorsing him. Hochshul also supported. Ofc we know that two people endorsed him - AOC and The Bern.

Let us wait and see what Obama is gonna do. All these people are coming together - Huma Abedin getting married to Alex Soros and all the bigwigs of DNC in attendance.

[Vayutuvan]

I think this is OT so maybe education thread or miscellaneous thread?

Your choice. But it does have something to do with The US NSF etc. as well.

[Yagnasri]

Leftists control the Democratic Party now, and historically, leftists love jihadis. Additionally, he is officially a candidate. Very rarely do Democrats go against their party ticket. So his win is now almost inevitable. Of course, he can mess up things big time, and entire local whites, jews, Hindus, etc, may gang up against him. But ai do not see all that happening.

[SRajesh]

Vayutuvanji
I like the term Anand R uses : Islamo Bolshevik for these guys ( Mamdani is a good example) and we have quite a lot in Kerala and Bengal of these old school Communists types.
These have intense hatred for the Christianity (more Orthodox in the Original Bolsheviks but now all types), Judaism and Hinduism.
These seem to condone and accept Islam like their Original founders and in India Christianity is tolerated for obvious reasons.
They believe in strong central lederships make no mistake, which might explaiin some of their likings for Islam (amongst other things).
Though religion is opiate for the masses but in Islam its on a controlled dole of the Opium for local consumption to keep the Unwashed in a state of slumber and not question the Leadership!!

[Kedar]

Vayutuvanji
I like the term Anand R uses : Islamo Bolshevik for these guys ( Mamdani is a good example) and we have quite a lot in Kerala and Bengal of these old school Communists types.
These have intense hatred for the Christianity (more Orthodox in the Original Bolsheviks but now all types), Judaism and Hinduism.
These seem to condone and accept Islam like their Original founders and in India Christianity is tolerated for obvious reasons.
They believe in strong central lederships make no mistake, which might explaiin some of their likings for Islam (amongst other things).
Though religion is opiate for the masses but in Islam its on a controlled dole of the Opium for local consumption to keep the Unwashed in a state of slumber and not question the Leadership!!

One big reason is that in Islam and Islamic World, beatings, throat-slitting, shooting are all acceptable debating techniques. Salman Rushdie, Charlie Hedbo, Van Gogh, Taslima Nasreen are just a few examples. A guy like M.F. Hussain could get away by painting nude pictures of Hindu goddesses and never apologized for it but justified it. After Meenaxi he had no problems in apologizing to Islamists because they felt offended since he knew that his physical well-being would be at risk.

As they say politics makes strange bedfellows. Feminists (mainly white western ones) are in bed with Islamists. Ignoring the fact that of all the main faiths in the world it is the one that treats women the worst.

[Kedar]

Leftists control the Democratic Party now, and historically, leftists love jihadis. Additionally, he is officially a candidate. Very rarely do Democrats go against their party ticket. So his win is now almost inevitable. Of course, he can mess up things big time, and entire local whites, jews, Hindus, etc, may gang up against him. But ai do not see all that happening.

Not necessarily true. In 1989 David Dinkins beat incumbent Ed Koch in the primaries and then went on to beat the Republican candidate Rudy Guiliani. In 1993 Guiliani beat Dinkins and was the Mayor the next eight years. Why the shift? In the summer of 1991 there was race riots in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Tensions had been building up between Blacks and Hasidic Jewish community. A Hasidic Jew hit a Black child with a car who died and the guy ran off to Israel (eventually came back). Not a deliberate act. This led to rioting (mostly one way) and an Australian Rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, was killed by Yusuf Hawkins. Hawkins was extradited back from Georgia but eventually found not guilty. Dinkins who is Black did not support the riots or in anyway instigate it. However, his administration was incompetent in stopping it sooner. The Jewish community blamed him for the continuation of the riots. Jews mostly support the Democratic party but in 1993 many of them voted for Guiliani. If they can punish Dinkins then definitely they can punish Mamdani whose acts are deliberate.

The best person to beat him is Eric Adams. That was my thought initially and two days later there was an editorial in the New York Post as well. NY Post basically said that Cuomo should officially state that he is not running and Curtis Silwa should also support Adams. Adams has been an Israel supporter. He can draw votes from Blacks who also vote predominantly Black. Our Hindu crowd should avoid the nonsense that Mamdani is of Indian origin and realize that he is a danger to our community.

[Vayutuvan]

Vayutuvanji
I like the term Anand R uses : Islamo Bolshevik for these guys ( Mamdani is a good example) and we have quite a lot in Kerala and Bengal of these old

I use either watermelons (green outside, red inside ) or islamoaists. When kirstanis are involved as in CG, India, they become chrislamaoists.

[Vayutuvan]

Bob Vylon group is banned from the US by SDOTUS. They have an upcoming tour out of which they were expecting tons of moolah. BBC perfidy is highlighted by ADL CEO Greenblatt in this video clip from Fox News. He also talks about Mamdani's failure to say he is is against "Globalization of Intifada" in recent interview by Welker.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6375063946112

[Vayutuvan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Vylan ... tival_2025

During Bob Vylan's set at the 2025 Glastonbury Festival, the band demonstrated in support of Palestinian liberation. In front of a screen reading "Free Palestine: United Nations have called it a genocide. The BBC calls it a 'conflict'", Bobby Vylan subsequently chanted "Alright, but have you heard this one though? Death, death to the IDF!", and "Hell yeah, from the river to the sea, Palestine must be, will be – inshallah – it will be free!"[16][17][18] The band was one of several acts to make statements in support of Palestine during their performances, alongside the Irish acts CMAT and Kneecap.[19]

The comments, in particular those regarding "death to the IDF", resulted in criticism and condemnation.[20][16] Glastonbury Festival co-organiser Emily Eavis said she was "appalled" by the comments, which contradicted the festival's ethos of "hope, unity, peace and love".[21] Prime Minister Keir Starmer described the performance as "appalling hate speech" and stated the BBC had questions to answer over its broadcast of the incident.[20] Avon and S...