Operation Sindoor - Bharat Strikes Back: Jai Hind!

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NRao wrote: 04 Jun 2025 09:20 In May 2025, India launched a series of precision strikes that shook the military foundation of Pakistan. Secret underground bunkers—known as HDBTs—were targeted with chilling accuracy. Entire command centers disappeared. Personnel vaporized. And the world watched in stunned silence.

This is the untold story of Operation Sindoor.
Great find NRao sir
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A nice short summary of very recent events.
https://x.com/Vikspeaks1/status/1929978 ... PBKwA&s=19
Few things are unsettling me since 10th MAY and making me write this.

1. Sudden ceasefire announced unexpectedly.

2. Mock drills announced during the IPL, despite significant ongoing confusion.

3. Pakistan Air Force highly active on June 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

4. India issued a NOTAM for an IAF firing exercise on June 4th and a Navy exercise from June 8th to 11th.

5. Terrorists in Pakistan holding public meetings and threatening India.

6. Pakistan Army officers stating they are willing to go to war over the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT).

7. Modi ji, Armed forces and other Cabinet members are emphasizing that #operationsindoor is not over.

Its looked like its over but now it looks like it isn't.
https://x.com/elitepredatorss/status/19 ... Y3S8w&s=19
Since there are confirmed reports that the pigs have started to move inside POK's launch pads again after they were relocated following Pahalgam in the fear of Indian strikes.

The PAF jet activity makes sense, but the kind of numbers being reported is a sign that IAF was upto something.
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Can someone speak to what it means when they say all our pilots returned home safely? Yet, we've lost some aircraft? Does this mean the aircraft we lost, went down inside our borders so it was easier to retrieve our ejected pilots? Or did any of our aircraft went down behind enemy lines and our ejected pilots were rescued by our special forces? I don't think I've seen any credible photos or videos of any wreckage of our aircraft from inside pukiland. Sorry if I missed any such evidence or if this whole topic has been covered already here on BR. Thanks.
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^ habibi, it's self explanatory .
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vonkabra wrote: 03 Jun 2025 16:54 Personally, I would much rather have a CDS who can win wars than one who is good at giving interviews.
100,000%.

Our military's job is to win wars. Not scratch the khujlis of armchair jingos who waste their time getting into social media debates with Pakistanis.

The Pakistan military cannot win wars, so it dedicates all its resources to winning what it calls the 'narrative war'. I would never trade a 100 of their ISPR hacks for one of our actual soldiers.
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Luxtor wrote: 04 Jun 2025 20:39 Can someone speak to what it means when they say all our pilots returned home safely? Yet, we've lost some aircraft? Does this mean the aircraft we lost, went down inside our borders so it was easier to retrieve our ejected pilots? Or did any of our aircraft went down behind enemy lines and our ejected pilots were rescued by our special forces? I don't think I've seen any credible photos or videos of any wreckage of our aircraft from inside pukiland. Sorry if I missed any such evidence or if this whole topic has been covered already here on BR. Thanks.
Come on Luxtor!

People were making videos of Drones and missiles and you think that they might have missed downed fighter jets and IAF pilots? There is nothing in any social media anywhere in India or Bhikaristan. Since the operation Sindoor is still going on that is why the AM Bharti said what he did. The losses we had were Brahmos and drones inside nPakistan hitting their targets guided by NAVIC and completing their mission.
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There were many stmts made by Indian AM and even CDS which are highly technical terms, understood by those in military operations. On the 6th night - 7th morning India took out 9 terrorist camps (in 25 min) but there were more, around 20+ such camps. They failed knocking them all out due to Pak shooting missiles and sending drones (does take time to get info on strikes). This was not a surprise to India but caused caution and hence they said some aircrafts were "down" physically without participation. Meaning these crafts did not want to press their luck. None of the aircrafts that participated in taking out 9 terror camps were hit. No pilot bail out, no wreckage, no nothing. The next day was to signal to Pak that India wanted to stop after hitting their terror camps. But Pak wanted to retaliate against India and went crazy. This is when the tactics were changed, CDS mentioned both "down" and tactics changed. From the 9th SEAD and DEAD happened, DEAD implies military installations being knocked off. Then decoys were used and from then onwards it was clear path to send missiles with precision down to 45 cm width into all the prized jewels of Pak land. 9th and 10th were free strikes for India and everything Pak threw at India was shot down promptly. I am hearing that one china supplied cruise missile (supposed to do mach 3) was taken out by Indian Air defense. The control boys in China and Pak were scratching their collective heads to try to figure out what was going on, while the main C&C at Nur Khan vaporized into oblivion. I am sure many more were vaporized.
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Yeah. Phenomenal SEAD and DEAD. Nonpareil.
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^^^
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Yes, all told, India probably facilitated around 500 paki terrorists and military personal obtain their 72 in these retribution attacks. Those C&C centers and other facilities were probably manned from high sub hundreds to maybe around 200 each, of all types of staff. We'll probably never know as the pukis are very good at hiding their failures to preserve their H&D.
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SBajwa wrote: 05 Jun 2025 04:46
Luxtor wrote: 04 Jun 2025 20:39 Can someone speak to what it means when they say all our pilots returned home safely? Yet, we've lost some aircraft? Does this mean the aircraft we lost, went down inside our borders so it was easier to retrieve our ejected pilots? Or did any of our aircraft went down behind enemy lines and our ejected pilots were rescued by our special forces? I don't think I've seen any credible photos or videos of any wreckage of our aircraft from inside pukiland. Sorry if I missed any such evidence or if this whole topic has been covered already here on BR. Thanks.
Come on Luxtor!

People were making videos of Drones and missiles and you think that they might have missed downed fighter jets and IAF pilots? There is nothing in any social media anywhere in India or Bhikaristan. Since the operation Sindoor is still going on that is why the AM Bharti said what he did. The losses we had were Brahmos and drones inside nPakistan hitting their targets guided by NAVIC and completing their mission.
Yes, you're correct. No evidence of any downed IAF aircraft has been shown anywhere other than that obvious crude fake of a supposed Rafale crashed with a fake tail fin photoshopped on. The pakis would've had a field day if they actually had something in their possession.
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bala wrote: 05 Jun 2025 05:20 There were many stmts made by Indian AM and even CDS which are highly technical terms, understood by those in military operations. On the 6th night - 7th morning India took out 9 terrorist camps (in 25 min) but there were more, around 20+ such camps. They failed knocking them all out due to Pak shooting missiles and sending drones (does take time to get info on strikes).
A clarification - I think in the 8th May briefing itself, Col Qureshi said that people were relocated from 11 camps in POK to the 4 camps that were hit, because forward launch pads (which are basically a couple of tents on a hillside) were closed down after Pahalgam.
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Cross Posting

From: The Economic Times News

Pakistani expert drops bombshell says US runs Nur Khan airbase even Pak army not allowed to enter
A claim by Pakistani security expert Imtiaz Gul has ignited a controversy regarding the Nur Khan airbase in Rawalpindi. In a widely circulated video, Gul alleges that the strategically important airbase is "under American control," and that even senior Pakistan Army officers are not allowed to interfere. The claim comes days after India’s precision strike on the same base during Operation Sindoor, launched in response to the Pahalgam terror attack.
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^^^^ :rotfl:
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Amber G., mubarak ho! That is funny as hell. :rotfl:
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https://x.com/OsintUpdates/status/19338 ... IKFZA&s=19
Watch the 30 second video of Netanyahu in the link below.
⚡ Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had said a few years ago that after Iran, his target is Pakistan.
Wow! Many decades ago Israel offered to destroy Pakistani nuclear weapons site in a joint operation with India. As explained in Assam CM Himanta's tweet which I posted in Modi 3.0 thread, Indira Gandhi opted out despite the approval of Indian armed forces.

Now hopefully India will soon get an opportunity to wipe clean the Pakistan of nuclear weapons and programs.
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One more earthquake of 4.0 magnitude in Pak today. The cooking off continues...
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Cyrano wrote: 14 Jun 2025 22:28 One more earthquake of 4.0 magnitude in Pak today. The cooking off continues...
For perspective. per historic data for Pakistan,

Magnitude 4 and above: 243 earthquakes/year (more than once every two days)
Magnitude distribution:
Magnitude 4: 94.9% (2309 in 10 years)
Magnitude 5: 4.69% (114 in 10 years)
Magnitude 6: 0.41% (10 in 10 years)

If you see my posts around b-vales etc.. this means
About 6 per day with > M3 and around 60 per day >M2 ityadi ..

Earthquakes are not that rare!
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Thanks Amber G
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https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/how-indi ... ear-bluff/

How India called Pakistan’s nuclear bluff, by Brig Pankaj Chib

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A deeper look into the details on events between 07-10 May which are surfacing now, indicates that India not only called Pakistan’s nuclear bluff but also buried Pakistan’s policy of “cultivated” irrationality once for all. After, Pakistan conducted its nuclear tests in 1998, it has mastered an art of “cultivated” irrationality on nuclear issues wherein it, after every terror incident in India, displayed unpredictable and volatile behavior to prevent Indian punitive response in conventional domain. This cultivated irrationality, which begins immediately after every Pak-sponsored terrorist incident in India, plans to even continue during the conventional phase. This behavior aims to seek international intervention at every stage so as to avoid war and should war takes place, prevent punishment by India. It is believed that Musharaf, being an artillery officer converted to SSG commando, was the author of cultivated irrationality.
Pakistan’s nuclear doctrine, policy and strategy are not available in open domain but it is not difficult to determine contours of these which were formulated and last refined by Lt Gen Khalid Ahmed Kidwai during Exercise Azm-e-Nau (2009-2013). The nuclear policy, doctrine and strategy formulated by Kidwai still remains central to Pakistan’s strategic calculus even today.
Lt Gen Kidwai, an artillery officer, was a POW of 1971 Indo-Pak War and was Director General Strategic Plans Divisions (SPD, nerve centre of Pakistan’s Nuclear Command Authority). He served almost for 13 years ie from 2000 (inception of SPD) to 2013. He, as DG SPD advocated a nuclear policy based on nuclear sabre rattling(of reminding world that India and Pak are two nuclear nations who cannot afford to go for war) immediately on any terror incident in India and threat of First Use of nuclear weapons mixed with Musharaff’s “cultivated” irrationality.
The nuclear part of Exercise Azm-e-Nau was very interesting with Kidwai as Director of wargame, General Officer Commanding (GOC) Strategic Forces North (SFN) as Commander Army Strategic Forces Command (ASFC) and GOC Strategic Forces South (SFS) heading and representing Indian wargame syndicate as “Foxland” syndicate. During this wargame, while GOC SFN played strategy of “Graduated Response with First use Option” and GOC SFSwargamed the strategy of “One Rung Escalation”. The most interesting part of this wargame was the summing up session where GOC SFS opined that if Indians change their politico-military aim to bring Pakistan’s nuclear programme under international safeguards, and accomplish this aim, India will get the Kashmir Issue resolved, automatically. Incidentally our Raksha Mantri also stated something similar after Operation Sindoor.
Post Exercise Azm-e-Nau, Pakistan military leadership has been advocating a nuclear strategy which is to influence conduct of Indo-Pak War (both in terms of scope and scale) including through intra war deterrence. So in a way Pakistan military leadership has been telling the world that nuclear strategy will facilitate its tri-services military strategy. As part of Pakistan’s nuclear strategy, they have also been advocating that Pakistan respond strategically should India targets any of its strategic assets (located in places like Kirana Hills, Nillore, Khushab, Kahuta etc).
Pakistan in its National Defence University (NDU) précis on Military Methodology teaches about formulation of hypotheses which are nothing but Pakistan’s visualization of adversary’s likely courses of actions. Accordingly, during Exercise Azm-e-Nau, Kidwai made various Nuclear Hypotheses which were primarily the assessment of courses of action (in nuclear domain) open to India in any future conflict. In one of the hypotheses Kidwai felt that India, after having caused significant damage to Pakistan’s military and economic infrastructure – something which calls for Pakistan to go nuclear – will foreclose Pakistan’s nuclear option by its superior information warfare. It is like calling Pakistan’s nuclear bluff.
When we take a look at Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) inputs on Operation Sindoor events, the events of night intervening 9-10 May and those in early hours of 10 May were probably the ones which were the most important events wherein India not only debunked Pakistan’s nuclear bluff but also threw its cultivated irrationality into waste bin. It was very evident from the fact that Pakistan DGMO called Indian DGMO, repeatedly for an urgent ceasefire.
It seems that all began with a Pakistani missile being intercepted over Sirsa just past midnight, which as per media reports was probably headed towards NCR. Anyone who has intimate knowledge of Pak missiles inventory (available with its 2 and 21 Artillery Divisions and Army Strategic Forces Command/ASFC) can clearly make out that the said missile was one held with Army Strategic Forces Command (ASFC) but with conventional war head and not those held with its Artillery Divisions. The straight line drawn West of Line Delhi-Sirsa incidentally passes through a location which is Forward Deployment Area (FDA) of a Missile Regiment Artillery (MRA) of the SMG located at Sargodha.
It was a perfect example of Pakistan’s cultivated irrationality wherein it wanted to indicate to West its intentions to go strategic in case India doesnot halt its further operations.
India’s response to Pakistan’s midnight misadventure was swift, measured and punitive when it rendered number of PAF airfields non operational between 0200 h to 0300 h. This was followed by morning strikes on Sargodha and its adjoining areas which incidentally, apart from having PAF Base Mushaf, Central Ammunition Depot and 3 Air Defence Division, also houses “Administrative Camp” named Azadi Camp and a “Technical Site” numbered *6*of one of the Strategic Missile Groups (SMG) of ASFC. It was this destruction of airfields and incidental threat to its strategic assets that forced Maj Gen Kashif Abdullah, Pak DGMO to call Lt Gen Rajiv Ghai, Indian DGMO, pleading for sudden ceasefire.
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This is the key phrase:
India not only debunked Pakistan’s nuclear bluff but also threw its cultivated irrationality into waste bin.
bluff and irrationality two corner stones of deterrent that hampered a good sound thrashing response to Pak until Sindoor. These two have been blown to smithereens and caused both US & China to back for a long time. Munna Pak has become the laughing stock for the rest of the world. Even ummah nations don't believe them anymore.

If India can take away 200+ kms territory away from the Cheens in tibet area then all the problems that India faces will disappear with Munna. Gilgit/Balistan, Shaksgam, secure river sources of Tibet, access to Afghanistan and beyond are then very easy to accomplish. Kashmore problem will disappear for the world/UN. India can then offer Nepal, Sri Lanka, Baluchistan, Sindh a security arrangement that India will use its armed forces as cover, they can freely use Indian UPI/rupee to conduct business. Rump state of Pakjabi and BD will be isolated and eventually revolt within will take them to a saner course.
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In my latest blogpost, I comment on the most frequently asked questions from Op Sindhoor - claims of downed aircraft, options the IAF had to reduce the risk of losses, media management, foreign policy and the reasons behind the ceasefire.
I also look at Operation Rising Lion to provide a context for measuring India's performance.

https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2025/06/op ... ssons.html
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Deans wrote: 24 Jun 2025 20:38 In my latest blogpost, I comment on the most frequently asked questions from Op Sindhoor - claims of downed aircraft, options the IAF had to reduce the risk of losses, media management, foreign policy and the reasons behind the ceasefire.
I also look at Operation Rising Lion to provide a context for measuring India's performance.

https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2025/06/op ... ssons.html
Great article.
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https://x.com/mikejava85/status/1939340 ... 67154?s=46

Air attaché claiming that we lost planes due to govt enforced constraints


So Govt did not give a 'free hand' despite claiming to have done so.
If this resulted in operational losses, risks, PR backfoot, and putting our men in additional harms way, then it's not only a political mess making; clearly the generals in the air staff agreed to these constraints and equally guilty.
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^^ What he meant was that Govt. constrained IAF to only attack terrorist camps, not any military target. As a result, there were some aircraft losses on our side because Paki air defence systems were left unmolested. Once IAF destroyed Paki air defence systems, Pakis were given due punishment without any losses on our side (which should have been done on day one).
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This is Modi pulling an ABV - stupid, self-imposed constraints against a jihadi state

ABV said "No crossing LoC" during Kargil
Modi said "Don't attack airplanes, bases, SAMs - only attack terror launchpads" during Op Sindoor

We paid with men and/or material due to both decisions

Hopefully, with Modi's messaging changing subsequently ("we don't differentiate between terrorists & their sponsors"), we won't have this stupid meddling by the political class/babudom on military actions

P.S. we are still operating with one arm tied behind our back. Even now, Modi does not authorize proactive strikes against terror camps. Even Op Sindoor was a reaction to Pahalgam. Instead, we lose highly trained SF while they hunt for needles in a haystack once jihadis infiltrate. Our full Kshatriyata is yet to bloom
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^ Need our internal security to be extremely strong.

Our military class and their families need to extremely well protected.

Being an open, non-military led society we have weak points which can be exploited by Pak which have many assets here.

Our bigger war increasingly seems to be how to neutralize the 0.5 front.
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Prem Kumar wrote: 29 Jun 2025 22:34 This is Modi pulling an ABV - stupid, self-imposed constraints against a jihadi state

ABV said "No crossing LoC" during Kargil
Modi said "Don't attack airplanes, bases, SAMs - only attack terror launchpads" during Op Sindoor
Where is the modi quote coming from? I don't think he will interfere in operational details. I think the iaf got cocky with it's shiny new rafales. Even if there was sead/dear restrictions because of political strings, they could've let the army launch land based brahmos to take out terrorist centers in the first wave. But I think the air force prides itself as the tip of the spear and therefore suffered some damage.

Note that this isn't in anyway a criticism of the air force. I think it's aggression is necessary and the ability to take one on the chin and still keep winning, is the sign of a champion.
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^ Yes, entirely possible that the IAF put up its hand and said they'd do it. Kudos to them for that!

But there have been enough leaks (because official confirmation has not come) that they were told to hit only terror launchpads and not military targets. This is borne out by the fact that, in our post-action briefing after the first assault, we made it very clear that only terror launchpads were hit

This constraint would have prevented us from doing SEAD, which could have led to losses.

Modi, in at least 1 subsequent speech (which was widely reported in the media) made it clear that there are new redlines - i.e, we see no difference between Paki jihadis, Paki Army and Paki leadership. If that translates to operational doctrine, the IAF/IA will be given full go-ahead to hit hard with SEAD first even before hitting their launchpads

Yes, they could have taken out the launchpads via Brahmos, Pralay etc without sending the IAF jets in harm's way but I guess we will not know the full details. Perhaps we needed fighter planes for certain targets or as you said, it could just be the IAF jock-mindset

Hopefully, the era of "self-imposed restraint" is over
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Now the official line is that we will not consider the jihadis to be any different whether they wear the uniform or not.

When the next attack happens, as it no doubt will, it will be very interesting to see if we open up with missile attacks and on what all targets.

For my side i am hoping the Navy gets it's turn
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Remember... During Balakot strike, there were same Rules of Engagement...
PAF was also on high alert...
But we carried out the strike without loss of assets...

So, it is not that IAF can't do the strike without SEAD/DEAD...
IAF did plan the things within the given ROE...
But once war starts, things are always unpredictable...

Ultimately our mission is to strike targets and kill a bunch of terrorists and we were successful in that...
A loss of couple of jets hardly matters... We didn't lose any pilots and that is more important...
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Pakistani Terrorists Guaranteed by PAF in the Punjab heartland were hit, LY-80, HQ-9, HQ-16, TP-77 multiple PAF radars taken out, Visual wreak age of Mirage 3 and JF-17 and remains of large aircraft burning in Dinga Pakistan. 13 airbases hit with multiple hangers hit, causing many losses to PAf, Murid and Nur Khan Command centers hit with PM of Pakistan claiming it stopped their Bunyan e Masoos operation, Pakistan Deputy PM claim they begged Rubio and Saudi FM to intervene and they were ready for ceasefire, Pakistan Army suffered huge casualties, yet the focus of Indian Opposition is on whether IAF lost 1 or 2 aircraft? Are they Indians?
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LakshmanPST wrote: 30 Jun 2025 11:09 Remember... During Balakot strike, there were same Rules of Engagement...
PAF was also on high alert...
But we carried out the strike without loss of assets...

So, it is not that IAF can't do the strike without SEAD/DEAD...
IAF did plan the things within the given ROE...
But once war starts, things are always unpredictable...

Ultimately our mission is to strike targets and kill a bunch of terrorists and we were successful in that...
A loss of couple of jets hardly matters... We didn't lose any pilots and that is more important...
I comment on the SEAD part in my recent blogpost. I make the same point as Prem kumar ji, that the IAF accepted the mission, which Pak,
having most likely simulated the outcome, concluded that we would not do it.
https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2025/06/op ... ssons.html

Where Pak probably innovated (as Tom Cooper analyses in his substack) is that their AWAC picked up our aircraft and missiles were fired without
the missile platform - either aircraft with the PL-15 or a HQ-9 SAM launcher, switching on its radar. In every war, each side will bring some
innovations into battle. We absorbed that tactic and came back stronger, which is what winning sides do.
The one area where Pak does have an edge is more AWACS to cover a much smaller airspace than India.

The only result of a purported loss of aircraft, is that is has resulted in a catalyst to expedite the procurement of aircraft and more SAM
systems.
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AdityaM wrote: 29 Jun 2025 21:01 https://x.com/mikejava85/status/1939340 ... 67154?s=46

Air attaché claiming that we lost planes due to govt enforced constraints


So Govt did not give a 'free hand' despite claiming to have done so.
If this resulted in operational losses, risks, PR backfoot, and putting our men in additional harms way, then it's not only a political mess making; clearly the generals in the air staff agreed to these constraints and equally guilty.
The bigger concern is: who is authorizing these media untrained military babus to attend international conferences and publicly disclose our operational details and asset losses? While not a single admission has come from the Pakistani side, we have had senior officials our DGMO, CDS, and now the air attaché openly acknowledging our own losses instead of focusing on highlighting the enemy’s.

Our media management is stuck in the 1980s. This was evident as early as Day 2, when we failed to even bring projectors to a press briefing and resorted to holding up A4-sized photographs. We never conducted a proper BDA or systematically presented enemy losses. Instead, we left the field open for unreliable Twitter “experts” to muddy the water with wild claims, everything from a downed Pakistani F-16 and a captured pilot every hour to Karachi harbor on fire and a military coup against munir.

Whether it's Balakot, Galwan, or now Sindoor, we consistently fall short in narrative control and strategic media management across all levels.
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Cain Marko wrote: 30 Jun 2025 07:46
Prem Kumar wrote: 29 Jun 2025 22:34 This is Modi pulling an ABV - stupid, self-imposed constraints against a jihadi state

ABV said "No crossing LoC" during Kargil
Modi said "Don't attack airplanes, bases, SAMs - only attack terror launchpads" during Op Sindoor
Where is the modi quote coming from? I don't think he will interfere in operational details. I think the iaf got cocky with it's shiny new rafales.
Highly unlikely it was the IAF who decided not to target TSPA directly and restrained themselves to terror targets (after a full 15 day notice). Our presser on the first day it was very clear that 1. We did not want to target Pakistani military and 2. We did not want to escalate.

If we did not game PAF's preparedness or the response of the Pakis then i'm not sure there is much to say. The air attache says IAF operated within political constraints but even so they should have known Pakis already had their awacs and the chinese were feeding them real time information.
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The words used by the Defence Attache are problematic...
The Govt. does not decide the Rules of Engagement without consulting the Armed Forces... It is not like they will simply send the Armed Forces on some suicide mission...
They put forward the ROE and the objectives and within these RsOE, the Armed Forces strategize things...
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The comment from the Defence Attache sounded like "IAF warned the Govt. about asset losses, but Govt. didn't listen and pushed them..."...
This kind of comment is defnitely problematic...
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Just read through the blog by Deans - very comprehensive & well written!
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Ambar wrote: 30 Jun 2025 20:36 The bigger concern is: who is authorizing these media untrained military babus to attend international conferences and publicly disclose our operational details and asset losses? While not a single admission has come from the Pakistani side, we have had senior officials our DGMO, CDS, and now the air attaché openly acknowledging our own losses instead of focusing on highlighting the enemy’s.

Our media management is stuck in the 1980s. This was evident as early as Day 2, when we failed to even bring projectors to a press briefing and resorted to holding up A4-sized photographs. We never conducted a proper BDA or systematically presented enemy losses. Instead, we left the field open for unreliable Twitter “experts” to muddy the water with wild claims, everything from a downed Pakistani F-16 and a captured pilot every hour to Karachi harbor on fire and a military coup against munir.

Whether it's Balakot, Galwan, or now Sindoor, we consistently fall short in narrative control and strategic media management across all levels.
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I am a solid Modi supporter but we have to acknowledge basic mistakes. Our adminullahs have problems with junior members criticizing :)
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I feel the Admins have been quite lenient. What was not allowed was:

1) Constant griping
2) Introducing FUD (especially those which showed India in poor light) while the conflict was ongoing

Both of which were both reasonable & necessary
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