India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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This story is circulating on X/Twitter:
https://www.parliamentarian.in/why-did- ... ing-trump/
Why Did this Young BJP MP Face Embarrassment After Meeting Trump?
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India’s attempt to bring global attention to the alleged threat from ‘Operation Sindoor’ has repeatedly entangled itself in new complications. When a delegation of Indian MPs, led by Congress MP Shashi Tharoor, visited the United States, a young BJP MP who was part of the group ended up in the spotlight—albeit for the wrong reasons—due to his excessive political ambition. What irked this MP the most was that fellow delegate Milind Deora had pre-scheduled a meeting with Donald Trump Jr., which took place in a cordial atmosphere. Wanting a similar opportunity, the BJP MP tried to arrange his own meeting with Trump Jr., but failed. Frustrated, he boldly declared to his colleagues, “Now I will meet Donald Trump himself.” He was assisted in this effort by an old friend residing in the U.S., whose conduct is often considered mysterious. This friend took the MP to Trump’s private residence in Florida—Mar-a-Lago, which has been Trump’s personal estate since 1985…..


Now back to the young BJP MP—he was introduced to Trump as someone “very close to the country’s head.” However, in typical Trump fashion, his behavior toward the MP was far from respectful, with offhand remarks that were reportedly quite hurtful. The MP left Mar-a-Lago deeply embarrassed, in a scene reminiscent of the saying: “Bade be-aabroo hokar tere kooche se hum nikle”. The MP never spoke about the incident, but news has wings—and this one flew across the ocean and landed on Raisina Hill. According to sources, the party leadership summoned him and gave him a serious dressing-down in the presence of three senior leaders. At one point, there was even talk of expelling him from the party. However, after his earnest apologies and repeated pleas, he appears to have been granted a reprieve, for now.
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The above - I did a diligent search, and as far as I can ascertain, POTUS was not in Mar-a-Lago since the beginning of May till present. Therefore, the story is likely fake news as presented (i.e., meeting DJT at Mar-a-Lago).
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It would be very unusual for deora to break diplomatic rank and try pulling in such a stunt .
As far as diplomacy is concerned discipline has been stellar . Since 2014 no Indian diplomat be it the top dogs like PM , NSA ,MEA or some babu have spoken a word that is more than necessary or uncalled for . Would be highly unusual.
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gakakkad wrote: 06 Jul 2025 21:57 It would be very unusual for deora to break diplomatic rank and try pulling in such a stunt .
As far as diplomacy is concerned discipline has been stellar . Since 2014 no Indian diplomat be it the top dogs like PM , NSA ,MEA or some babu have spoken a word that is more than necessary or uncalled for . Would be highly unusual.


gakakkad ji,

deora is far too savvy to get involved in any such mess, especially when he is at the mercy and is also dependent on the goodwill of his masters to stay afloat
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The rumor is that it was Tejasvi Surya. But even Wikipedia's list of Trump trips does not support the story.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ump_(2025)
Probably should have posted this in the social media thread, instead of India-US relations, my apologies.
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A letter to EAM India:
As an Indian-origin U.S. citizen (OCI cardholder), I wish to bring to your attention a serious development: the U.S. government has begun detaining foreign nationals, including Indian citizens, at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba, as part of an immigration enforcement policy. Recent reporting confirms that Indian nationals are among those held — possibly even those with no serious criminal convictions.

Given the sensitive history and legal controversies surrounding Guantanamo, I respectfully urge the Ministry to inquire into the status and legal treatment of any Indian nationals detained there. In cases involving low-risk individuals, including those awaiting deportation for civil immigration issues, it is especially critical that their human rights and consular protections are ensured.

The Indian government has a strong record of defending its citizens abroad, and your intervention could help ensure justice, transparency, and humane treatment.
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American dream turning into a nightmare!
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US Dept of State briefing, July 8th. Two excerpts below. If you understand what was said, please post.

https://www.state.gov/briefings/departm ... IAPAKISTAN

Pakistan:
QUESTION: Thank you so much. After the ceasefire between India and Pakistan, Pakistani Government and army chief appreciate the efforts of President Trump and nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize. But on the other hand, Indian Prime Minister Modi and his cabinet members continuously saying that President Trump has no role in the ceasefire between India and Pakistan. Even Jaishankar, when he met Secretary Rubio last week, after that meeting he told media that President Trump has nothing to do with the ceasefire between India and Pakistan. So what are your thoughts on these lies and rogue behavior of Modi cabinet members?

MS BRUCE: (Laughter.) I think I – so many comments speak for themselves. That’s one of the good-news aspects of our modern world is people can see what’s really occurring. You’re not reliant on a comment to know what has really happened.

The world is playing out in front of us in real time on big screens and small screens. Everyone will have an opinion. That’s an opinion. Some opinions are wrong. Mine rarely are but other people’s opinions can be wrong. (Laughter.) But that’s what we get to do is analyze and judgment, and the fact is is that we understand in front of us every day the clarity of what’s transpiring in our world.

We’re the first generation of a couple generations here – so many of you are much younger than I am – we’re my generation perhaps, I would say, growing up with a big TV that had the turn dial, and I was the remote control. It was, “Tammy, go change the channel.” And you change it. You’ve got four channels. And the speed, the exponential speed, of change of technology that now I would watch television on my phone that is in my hand, is natural for so many, but it reminds many of us of how quickly things will change, how much information we can get, and the seriousness of making up our own minds when it comes to the things that the world puts upon us.

Donald Trump is here to help make that easier and to help use this to make things clearer. Secretary Marco Rubio is in the same position, the Vice President of the United States also involved in the negotiations with Pakistan and India, JD Vance. Same dynamic, fresh views, new ideas, understanding the world as it sits, and making sure that it’s better when they leave. And they will be recognized for that.

That’s it for today, you guys. I will be here all week, and I will see you on Thursday. We will get – with many things up in the air, we will have – keep an eye on state.gov and releases that I put out, and also the President’s Truth Social, the Secretary of State’s X account.

Bangladesh:
QUESTION: At the recent Quad meeting, Indian Foreign Minister Jaishankar said India has every right to defend itself against terrorism and expect Quad partners to understand that. Given the situation that India shares the longest border with Bangladesh, given the situation – last week, ammunition linked to the last year violent anti-government movement in Bangladesh was found in the baggage of Yunus interim government advisor Asif Mahmud at Dhaka International Airport.

MS BRUCE: All right, okay —

QUESTION: And under the Yunus-led interim government, last week Sri Sri Durga Mandir, Hindu mandir, was demolished by government bulldozer, Hindu barber was taken —

MS BRUCE: All right. Now – now you —

QUESTION: And last one —

MS BRUCE: I – we try to avoid soliloquies or —

QUESTION: And what is your reaction? Thank you.

MS BRUCE: — or the little history lessons. I understand it’s a complicated, detailed dynamic involving India and Bangladesh. We understand that. We – there is – and I would send you to state.gov. I don’t – I’m not being trite here in this suggestion. There is – there are two statements regarding the Quad meeting, one from Secretary Rubio and a joint statement from all the partners that is quite extensive – and that is what we are willing to share about what happened in those meetings. So those are the purpose of the readouts.

I will certainly not characterize not only the Secretary’s position about the United States – I’m not certainly going to characterize India’s or any other nation’s position or statements in what is a diplomatic meeting. But I would suggest you see those – that joint statement, and I think we’ll be in good shape.

Now, behind you, in the blue shirt.
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A_Gupta wrote: 10 Jul 2025 04:54 US Dept of State briefing, July 8th. Two excerpts below. If you understand what was said, please post.

Pakistan:
... So what are your thoughts on these lies and rogue behavior of Modi cabinet members?

MS BRUCE: (Laughter.) ... so many of you are much younger than I am – we’re my generation perhaps, I would say, growing up with a big TV that had the turn dial, and I was the remote control. It was, “Tammy, go change the channel.” And you change it. You’ve got four channels. And the speed, the exponential speed, of change of technology that now I would watch television on my phone that is in my hand, is natural for so many, but it reminds many of us of how quickly things will change, how much information we can get, and the seriousness of making up our own minds when it comes to the things that the world puts upon us.
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You have to see that Karan Thapar's interview of Bilawal BZ to understand what this guy is saying. Blaawal was saying something similar. He is parroting what he had been taught by these SDOTUS fogged up bottoms. "We are a new generation", "We should leave the past behind", "We are the new future, you guys are all old", and crap like that. Same crap was pulled by Collin Powell when the US under dubya wanted to reset relationship with shittistan. Obviously the reporter was fed the question and its phrasing including two keywords - lies and rogue
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I tried the KT-Bilawal interview and couldn’t get past 2 minutes.
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A_Gupta wrote: 10 Jul 2025 04:54 US Dept of State briefing, July 8th. Two excerpts below. If you understand what was said, please post.

https://www.state.gov/briefings/departm ... IAPAKISTAN

Pakistan:
QUESTION: Thank you so much. After the ceasefire between India and Pakistan, Pakistani Government and army chief appreciate the efforts of President Trump and nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize. But on the other hand, Indian Prime Minister Modi and his cabinet members continuously saying that President Trump has no role in the ceasefire between India and Pakistan. Even Jaishankar, when he met Secretary Rubio last week, after that meeting he told media that President Trump has nothing to do with the ceasefire between India and Pakistan. So what are your thoughts on these lies and rogue behavior of Modi cabinet members?

MS BRUCE: (Laughter.) I think I – so many comments speak for themselves. That’s one of the good-news aspects of our modern world is people can see what’s really occurring. You’re not reliant on a comment to know what has really happened.

The world is playing out in front of us in real time on big screens and small screens. Everyone will have an opinion. That’s an opinion. Some opinions are wrong. Mine rarely are but other people’s opinions can be wrong. (Laughter.) But that’s what we get to do is analyze and judgment, and the fact is is that we understand in front of us every day the clarity of what’s transpiring in our world.

We’re the first generation of a couple generations here – so many of you are much younger than I am – we’re my generation perhaps, I would say, growing up with a big TV that had the turn dial, and I was the remote control. It was, “Tammy, go change the channel.” And you change it. You’ve got four channels. And the speed, the exponential speed, of change of technology that now I would watch television on my phone that is in my hand, is natural for so many, but it reminds many of us of how quickly things will change, how much information we can get, and the seriousness of making up our own minds when it comes to the things that the world puts upon us.

Donald Trump is here to help make that easier and to help use this to make things clearer. Secretary Marco Rubio is in the same position, the Vice President of the United States also involved in the negotiations with Pakistan and India, JD Vance. Same dynamic, fresh views, new ideas, understanding the world as it sits, and making sure that it’s better when they leave. And they will be recognized for that.

That’s it for today, you guys. I will be here all week, and I will see you on Thursday. We will get – with many things up in the air, we will have – keep an eye on state.gov and releases that I put out, and also the President’s Truth Social, the Secretary of State’s X account.

in my opinion, what the responder, Bruce, is saying is that in the older days, you would have to rely on the wordings and assurances of the responsible parties, heads of states for their statement and take it at that face value, in the current day though, info and voices are transmitted instantaneously, and if one were to look at the chronology of events, it shows that trump posted his ceasefire take on truth social before there was any word from either india or pakistan, so it must necessarily follow that trump was the progenitor of such talks, and as per the above the is here to help

the best way to dismantle this would be india's response to another paki linked terror attack, as iirc, that would be treated as an act of war and india would respond accordingly, at that juncture when the reporters ask the white house on why the savages are not being appeased by scraps thrown at them as before, they might question the settled narrative

also, i was quite ticked off by this phrasing from the above cutout:
So what are your thoughts on these lies and rogue behavior of Modi cabinet members?
dont really know what is the response to the above; trump will keep on trumpeting his ceasefire involvement till demons devour his soul, maybe have the regular EAM spokie respond to any further questions on the above topic, and for the next instance, send the word out before unaffiliated third parties shoot off gleefully

Bangladesh:
QUESTION: At the recent Quad meeting, Indian Foreign Minister Jaishankar said India has every right to defend itself against terrorism and expect Quad partners to understand that. Given the situation that India shares the longest border with Bangladesh, given the situation – last week, ammunition linked to the last year violent anti-government movement in Bangladesh was found in the baggage of Yunus interim government advisor Asif Mahmud at Dhaka International Airport.

MS BRUCE: All right, okay —

QUESTION: And under the Yunus-led interim government, last week Sri Sri Durga Mandir, Hindu mandir, was demolished by government bulldozer, Hindu barber was taken —

MS BRUCE: All right. Now – now you —

QUESTION: And last one —

MS BRUCE: I – we try to avoid soliloquies or —

QUESTION: And what is your reaction? Thank you.

MS BRUCE: — or the little history lessons. I understand it’s a complicated, detailed dynamic involving India and Bangladesh. We understand that. We – there is – and I would send you to state.gov. I don’t – I’m not being trite here in this suggestion. There is – there are two statements regarding the Quad meeting, one from Secretary Rubio and a joint statement from all the partners that is quite extensive – and that is what we are willing to share about what happened in those meetings. So those are the purpose of the readouts.

I will certainly not characterize not only the Secretary’s position about the United States – I’m not certainly going to characterize India’s or any other nation’s position or statements in what is a diplomatic meeting. But I would suggest you see those – that joint statement, and I think we’ll be in good shape.

Now, behind you, in the blue shirt.
re: the question for bangladesh, the line in reasoning in such circles is: india and its neighbours are quite religious and conservative, we (the westerners) know how pised off islamists from that region can become when the matters of faith are concerned, and terrorism soon follows any attacks on religion or religious sites; so the question to the responder was whether india, like people in its neighbourhood, would consider the attack on the hindu temple in another country a topic of terrorism, especially as it seems to be a state driven provocation

we know internally that india is the most masterful at ignoring such attacks in india itself let alone look into issues with a neighbouring country, but for people for whom ideologies for the shadowlands between israel and china are viewed as same-same, they wanted to have the assurance of the white house on the topic
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A_Gupta wrote: 10 Jul 2025 22:16 I tried the KT-Bilawal interview and couldn’t get past 2 minutes.
Good call. KT himself was his usual insufferable self. Bilawal just lied while smiling and playing with hyperventilating KT. This blawaal guy is an awwal lier and a snake.
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People are hung up with words in X and briefings in Y. The substance is in action taken. India destroyed Paki assets with impunity. India has told Trump maharaj that he cannot mediate between India and the Pakis. There is zero chance of GoI talking to the Pakis at any level. Indus water treaty is dead. Any new terrorist attack will be met with full fledged tri-service jadpad and GoI will continue to pursue the policy of downgrading/downsizing Pakis at every level.

We will continue to invest in our robust economy and if khan land is ready to invest in it we will take it. That pretty much is Modi sarkar policy. Trump maharaj will keep taking credit for everything under the sun but that provides zero cover for the Pakis. I don't think the so called deep state is going to donate anything to the Pakis except some neutral sounding rhetoric. Paki clowns will keep harping zero calorie nonsense for sometime until they die in their own garbage. Rental strategy for a nation state can only work for certain length of time. Paki land is beyond recovery. Indian containment strategy through proxies has not been working for a long time now. US deep state knows this and slowly as the older warriors die, it will diminish into thin air.
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