Indian Health Care Sector

[Atmavik]

^^^ ha ha pakis are happier than India that’s why they r out on the streets

Link to one of Salvatore’s interviews, sorry to make u watch Turdesai. There are plenty of other such interviews on u tube

https://www.youtube.com/live/nGkFwDk7TUQ?feature=share

Here is what a Pakistani saw in India and his take is the opposite of these indexes

https://youtu.be/KOIrdgLHLZE

PS: we as Indians need not worry too much about these biased rankings but need to look at actual data to continue to improve. Our gdp per capita is abt $ 2k . We should be able to double it in the next 8 to 10 yrs if the current reforms and trajectory holds

[Cain Marko]

^^^ ha ha pakis are happier than India that’s why they r out on the streets

Link to one of Salvatore’s interviews, sorry to make u watch Turdesai. There are plenty of other such interviews on u tube

https://www.youtube.com/live/nGkFwDk7TUQ?feature=share

Here is what a Pakistani saw in India and his take is the opposite of these indexes

https://youtu.be/KOIrdgLHLZE

PS: we as Indians need not worry too much about these biased rankings but need to look at actual data to continue to improve. Our gdp per capita is abt $ 2k . We should be able to double it in the next 8 to 10 yrs if the current reforms and trajectory holds

I'm not worried about the rankings BUT these rankings are used as valid datapoints globally and that creates problems by reinforcing tropes/biases vs India and self flagellation within desis. Note that the said survey was published front and center by NDTV on its website. Not the best publicity for desh esp. with elections coming up soon. Such things can have an impact..

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/interna ... topstories

These things should be countered, and I'm working on how that can be done...any suggestions in that direction would be most useful. Thanks

[sudarshan]

These things should be countered, and I'm working on how that can be done...any suggestions in that direction would be most useful. Thanks

Here's something you can use about the "happiest countries" (esp. Finland):



Especially from about 5:30 - treatment of indigenous people (Sami), including forced conversions to Xtianity, death penalty for following their own ways, ban on beating their drums, taking over their land, etc.

And ironically:

Ancient DNA shows Finns and Sami share identical genes

[sanjaykumar]

That’s not true. Otherwise NYT WP DW BBC would be covering Finland.

No?

[Cyrano]

These countries are credible because urban areas are kept near spotlessly clean, rural areas are picturesque and nature spots are largely free of visible litter. Just like their societies that look bright and shiny from the exterior. But have per capita perverse behaviour that will be way off the charts compared to many south bloc countries. The current manic russophobic and pro Nazi behaviour displayed by European countries is so disgusting.

[sudarshan]

But have per capita perverse behaviour that will be way off the charts compared to many south bloc countries.

Per-capita-wise, Sweden is pretty much the rape capital of the world. "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" was about this. The things depicted in the book, while making for shocking reading, are par for the course in Sweden.

[Cyrano]

That was a great trilogy! Movies made from it were pretty good too.

[drnayar]

These countries are credible because urban areas are kept near spotlessly clean, rural areas are picturesque and nature spots are largely free of visible litter. Just like their societies that look bright and shiny from the exterior. But have per capita perverse behaviour that will be way off the charts compared to many south bloc countries. The current manic russophobic and pro Nazi behaviour displayed by European countries is so disgusting.

Racism and Nazism goes together., in one country on prime TV wasn't the comment "oh they are like us" wrt to Ukranians but just screen time when hundreds and thousands of asians were killed and maimed in the countless white vs brown/black wars ? .. dont know how else to describe this mentality.

[sanjaykumar]

The Herero genocide by Germans is not taught in their school system. DW does not educate the adult population about their past but is careful to report on the evils of gratuitous accusations of love jihad.

When was the last time one read of a Christian pastor in India accused of sexual exploitation, in the western press? The principle has been well established, but only western victims of Christian predation are fit for sympathy.

There is nothing surprising here at all. Given the very poor cultural education in India, efforts need to be directed there.

[Cain Marko]

These things should be countered, and I'm working on how that can be done...any suggestions in that direction would be most useful. Thanks

Here's something you can use about the "happiest countries" (esp. Finland):



Especially from about 5:30 - treatment of indigenous people (Sami), including forced conversions to Xtianity, death penalty for following their own ways, ban on beating their drums, taking over their land, etc.

And ironically:

Ancient DNA shows Finns and Sami share identical genes

All these points made by Karolina are good indeed. But don't really show any bias within the WHR itself. The latter is based on primary sourced data from Gallup and that makes it very hard to counter with issues related to racial or sexual discrimination.

What we need is to point out actual issues in the methods, process, premise of the WHR.

One discrepancy that i found is related to the construct of dystopia in the WHR, which heavily skews the results against India. Not sure why surveyed Indians score so incredibly low compared to their counterparts in other countries, even those with otherwise terrible scores in the scale. Most countries score poorly in terms of generosity (altruism) and freedom to make life choices, factors in which India ranks very, very high (top 10%). India is more generous than Finland and Norway. And, scores better when it comes to freedom of choice, than Canada and the US.

I can easily explain away the list scores on support systems and life expectancy since these are heavily related to economic development.

But what's effing the score for desh is the dystopia factor.

If someone can figure out why this dystopia factor causes such an outlier effect wrt India, that would be great. Importantly, it is not even clear to me why this factor is even used by the report to determine happiness.

Does anyone here have contacts in TSS or IIM who might be interested in co-authoring a paper on this?

[sudarshan]

All these points made by Karolina are good indeed. But don't really show any bias within the WHR itself. The latter is based on primary sourced data from Gallup and that makes it very hard to counter with issues related to racial or sexual discrimination.

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But what's effing the score for desh is the dystopia factor.

If someone can figure out why this dystopia factor causes such an outlier effect wrt India, that would be great. Importantly, it is not even clear to me why this factor is even used by the report to determine happiness.

My point was, that any method which neglects all these factors in calculating a so-called "happiness index" is flawed to begin with. Or are they claiming that the Scandinavians are so happy because they have full freedom to indulge in perversions??

I don't see how the women in a country like Sweden can be defined as "happy" if they're going to be the target of - shall we say - male affections (whenever the men get bored of their latest animal conquests, that is)? If they've hypnotized themselves into believing that their state of affairs is "happiness," then that would be a dystopia right there. By definition, no?

I see what you're saying, and I get that you would like to dissect their mathematical methods. One way to do so, would be to look at what representation is accorded in those metrics, to the per-capita sexual assault rate in Sweden/ Norway/ Denmark/ Finland. Also, what representation is given to the happiness of the Sami and Inuit populations? Does being referred to as "Arctic Monkeys" by the white Danes make you happy? How about living in a pile of toxic waste - like Karolina points out - in Finland, companies come up overnight to deal with the problem of toxic wastes, then they collect a lot of garbage, and then promptly shut shop (go "bankrupt"), so there is this impression of "something being done to address the waste issue," but in reality it's a choreographed eye-wash to fool the outside world. I'm not even getting into blowing up whales with explosive harpoons, or dumping in the fjords or the Oresund channel.

I understand that you want to approach the issue in a different way, and that is fine, no problems there. If you find any of the material above to be of use, then you may want to get in touch with Karolina herself, since she specifically requests in her video - "please don't plagiarize this material." Just a suggestion, you are free to disregard it .

[bala]

calculating a so-called "happiness index" is flawed

Western nations do not know the vedic koshas. India knows about annamaya kosha (body fed by anna), pranamaya kosha, manomaya kosha, vigyanamaya kosha and finally the anandamaya kosha. Generally the west bothers about the body, perhaps a little on the mind (about how to dominate and become asuric in nature). What do they know about anandamaya? And above it all is consciousness which escapes the average dude in the west.

[bala]

This YT by Prof Subash Kak, well known scholar in the US, talks about the crisis in healthcare at 32:30. The YT covers other interesting topics like geographical parts of china were called by Indian sanskrit names. In the healthcare realm, there are many questions on vaccines especially autism which has risen dramatically. During US President Ronald Reagan era, the liability on med/pharma was relaxed and vaccines started proliferating like crazy. This multi-vaccine concoction was injected into every person in the US to prevent all kinds of other deadly diseases. Many of the field trials conducted by pharma are not exactly proof positive that things work. There are side effects which are ignored. RFK Jr is asking pharma to do double blind studies wherein participants and researchers don't know who recieves placebo or control. This minimizes bias in research.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLlKEmWVA0s

BTW Prof Subash Kak's 2 children are doctors in the medical field and he has good idea about such subjects. Allopathy is treatment of symptoms and post oil discovery rich barons (Rockefeller) started supporting pharma companies. Many of the drugs contain harmful products which are used to preserve the drug. Prof Subash Kak believes a tri system like ayurveda that works at a different notional basis based on 3 doshas in contrast to allopathy. The human in Indian system is 3 body: स्थूल शरीर gross body, सूक्ष्म शरीर subtle body कारणशरीर causal body. Treatment has to be done at 3 levels. BTW Prof Subash Kak has written extensively about e which is 2.71829 the Euler number in math. His e-dimensional theory is the most exciting and promising idea in cosmology in recent times. The current Indian medicine system has clubbed alternate medicines like ayurveda, unani, homeopathy under one umbrella. Allopathy is what is taught in medical schools throughout India. In China they examine a patient and suggest either allopathy or chinese native medicine in their hospital systems. Prof Subash Kak cites Raj Ayurvedic spa in fairfield Iowa, US as one of the best Ayurvedic treatment (चिकित्सा) centers outside of India. Vaccination was well known in Ayurveda and infact India used to treat smallpox by Variolation (small quantities of the pox were given to become immune which is the basis of even Homeopathy).

[sanjaykumar]

Any evidence that vaccines prevent disease? Many ask. You know who exactly asks the question. Those whose training and aptitude compel them to seek evidence. Those whose careers and personal standards require impertinent questions be answered.

[Cyrano]

Yes, they do prevent diseases. Example : Polio vaccines have eradicated the disease in India and many other countries.

Traditional vaccines are made by devitalising the virus first and then injecting into a person to provoke immune system response and the resulting antibodies will be able to prevent the disease for months/years/life long depending on the pathogen.

The MRNA vaccines are new technology, of a different type, and are subject of a lot of controversy.

I got 2 shots of Covid vaccines, first was Pfizer, 2nd was moderna IIRC. Both are MRNA type. I never tested positive for Covid and had no side/after effects. Since the govts who bought them did not do random sample testing (contractual t&cs didn't allow it) I could have been injected with really an MRNA vaccine or some harmless saline water. Impossible to know.

But there are some people who got MRNA vaccinated and got major health issues later. IMO the % remains very very small.

India produced and administered traditional devitalisied virus type Covid vaccines. I think they caused even lesser after effects than MRNA type vaccines.

Reliable data on this subject is hard to come by.