Bangladesh News and Discussion

[sanjayc]

^^ Being too eager to help without being asked always results in the giver being held in contempt by the receiver. True for people as well as countries. India has a long history of this. It sent helicopters to Nepal for earthquake relief. Was snubbed. Same by Maldives. Same by Turkey. Same by Sri Lanka. But the itch to run to help without being asked by the victim is just too strong.

[ricky_v]

and the event that the help is being rushed on an express pro platinum++ delivery plan is a plane crash?? whats the big urgency, if there was a hilsa shortage and the kanglus were cannabalising each other, then maybe the goi could have dispatched a bori of rice or 2 via plane, this is like an inherent risk for people who are using such technology, even the magnitude is like 2 dead and 20 injured?? whats next? will the goi ask the doctors to attach my little pony stickers on those who have been injured? Should Indian medical agencies be on a permanent standby to respond to any event in beedliand no matter how big or small, a little malaria outbreak in an isolated locality in mymensingh? an explosion in an industrial boiler leading to a loss of 2 cows? physical injuries due to mishandling of firecrackers? how inept is the kanglu medical establishment

and where are the brave student protestors and the king of micro credits? too busy molesting minority women and lynching minority men probably, the nobel winner is probably planning a strategy for the renewal of saarc so that such incidents are avoided in the future and responded and tackled collectively by sooth asia

[Vayutuvan]

^^ Being too eager to help without being asked always results in the giver being held in contempt by the receiver. True for people as well as countries. India has a long history of this. It sent helicopters to Nepal for earthquake relief. Was snubbed. Same by Maldives. Same by Turkey. Same by Sri Lanka. But the itch to run to help without being asked by the victim is just too strong.

This is called brown nosing.

[A_Gupta]

China dispatches medical team of burn specialists to Bangladesh following air force jet crash
By Global Times
Published: Jul 24, 2025 03:44 PM

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202507/1339171.shtml

At the request of the Bangladeshi government, China has dispatched a medical team of five burn specialists, who are scheduled to arrive in Dhaka on Thursday evening, the Chinese Embassy in Bangladesh said on Thursday after a Bangladesh air force training aircraft crashed into a school in the nation's capital on Monday.

[A_Gupta]

I think the fault is in Indian media. Too bloody lazy to find out and explain that India is responding to a Bangladesh request for help.

One has to search hard for this:

https://thelogicalindian.com/bangladesh ... mpensation.

Hospitals across Dhaka, like the National Institute of Burn and Plastic Surgery, have been overwhelmed, with dozens of children admitted for severe burns, and at least 25 remaining in critical condition. In a significant act of regional solidarity, India responded to Bangladesh’s request for urgent help by dispatching a team of burn specialists and nurses to treat the most severely injured and advise on possible transfers for advanced care.

[Rudradev]

It was a *China-made* F7 fighter jet. Another thing the Indian media was too bloody lazy to point out, let alone play up.

[A_Gupta]

It seems India asked Bangladesh if it needed help.
https://en.prothomalo.com/bangladesh/turdwrtu9r

I wish as much effort in finding out what actually happened occurred as in composing paeans of outrage.

Earlier, the Indian High Commission in Dhaka formally wrote to the government of Bangladesh asking for sharing information on any critical medical support that may be needed to be arranged in India for those injured in the tragic incident.

[ricky_v]

copilot says the following:



and they had 170 injured, by simple arithmetic, they should have been able to take care of the issue, they even have the most advanced burn facility in all of sooth asia, why ask a weaker country for assistance which has a lower gdp per capita
regardless, this issue has arisen due to driving a military plane into a school, if they are unable to take care of such issues by themselves, then they must eliminate the root cause, flying military planes, or they can cure that by themselves and not be leeches for once in their misbegotten lives

these issues do not arise due to natural causes like earthquakes etc but are man made, if they have the tech to use, then they must have the tech to resuscitate when the tech goes sideways, such are the ways of modern tech and the cycle of cause and effect, they should have such facilities in place before taking a military jet for a test drive and not after, its analogous to a beggar taking out a loan to drive a mercedes and once vehicle in motion to realise he does not know how to drive

[A_Gupta]

The source of that 600,000 number is one article:

"According to an article published on Benar News in April 2024, the 300-bed Burn and Plastic Surgery Unit of Dhaka Medical College Hospital treats around 600,000 burn patients a year."

This is the article:
https://www.benarnews.org/english/news/ ... 35623.html

Dhaka houses the 500-bed Sheikh Hasina National Institute of Burn and Plastic Surgery, named after Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina. The 300-bed Burn and Plastic Surgery Unit of Dhaka Medical College Hospital treats around 600,000 burn patients a year.

and provides link for the 600,000 claim which does not lead to any source making such a claim.

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From 2020:
https://en.prothomalo.com/bangladesh/bu ... y-in-dhaka

According to records of the Sheikh Hasina Burn and Plastic Surgery Institute, 64,893 burn patients were treated at the emergency and outpatient department in 2019. And 8,934 patients were admitted to the hospital.

In international standards, such an institute should have 4,040 various posts. The government has approved of even less than half. Then again, not all the posts are filled.
Tanveer Ahmed, associate professor, Sheikh Hasina Burn and Plastic Surgery Institute

Burn units were opened in other cities. They are all understaffed.
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Hundred bed facility in Delhi AIIMS (2020) can handle 15,000 burn emergencies and 5,000 burn admissions each year.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst

[chetak]

The source of that 600,000 number is one article:

"According to an article published on Benar News in April 2024, the 300-bed Burn and Plastic Surgery Unit of Dhaka Medical College Hospital treats around 600,000 burn patients a year."

This is the article:
https://www.benarnews.org/english/news/ ... html[quote]
Dhaka houses the 500-bed Sheikh Hasina National Institute of Burn and Plastic Surgery, named after Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina. The 300-bed Burn and Plastic Surgery Unit of Dhaka Medical College Hospital treats around 600,000 burn patients a year.

and provides link for the 600,000 claim which does not lead to any source making such a claim.

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From 2020:https://en.prothomalo.com/bangladesh/bu ... haka[quote] According to records of the Sheikh Hasina Burn and Plastic Surgery Institute, 64,893 burn patients were treated at the emergency and outpatient department in 2019. And 8,934 patients were admitted to the hospital.[/quote]

In international standards, such an institute should have 4,040 various posts. The government has approved of even less than half. Then again, not all the posts are filled. Tanveer Ahmed, associate professor, Sheikh Hasina Burn and Plastic Surgery Institute

Burn units were opened in other cities. They are all understaffed.
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Hundred bed facility in Delhi AIIMS (2020) can handle 15,000 burn emergencies and 5,000 burn admissions each year.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 340158.cms? utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst[/quote]





A_Gupta ji,

It is just a beedi subterfuge to open some sort of communication channels with the Indian govt. They have their backs to the wall

The beedis, with all their intellectual pretensions, and also being too clever by half, are desperately hoping to establish a back channel with India that is big enough to push through their katoras through

BTW, this is also what the desperate pakis are themselves trying to do

And look at the "team" that India has sent:

According to Randhir Jaiswal, the Official Spokesperson of India’s Ministry of External Affairs, the team includes two specialists and a nursing assistant from Ram Manohar Lohia Hospital and Safdarjung Hospital-India’s premier burn treatment centres. The team is scheduled to begin its work on Thursday at a designated hospital treating the injured.

The assistance underscores India’s commitment to regional cooperation and humanitarian response in times of crisis.


Some one in dilli is not in such a forgiving mood, after all ...... ...

[Manish_P]

...
Some one in dilli is not in such a forgiving mood, after all ...... ...

And the Beedis are just being Beedis



This is unverified and i am not aware who the poster is.

[chetak]

...
Some one in dilli is not in such a forgiving mood, after all ...... ...

And the Beedis are just being Beedis



This is unverified and i am not aware who the poster is.

Manish ji,


it appears that the message may have been received by the beedis ............ ...........

their katoras will remain unfilled

[A_Gupta]

https://www.thestatesman.com/world/indi ... 62670.html

The Indian medical team, currently visiting Bangladesh, held the second round of consultations with doctors at the National Institute of Burn and Plastic Surgery in Dhaka.

[A_Gupta]

Thank heavens that international relations aren’t determined by social media (oh, wait, Trump…)

Anyhow, this “DrPuja Mukherjee” appears to be a fake Facebook account.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 624&type=3

I suppose it is beyond our imaginations that what might be a temporary blip in India-Bangladesh relations that may be fixed after elections are held, and maybe Yunus and his Islamist cohort are defanged, is sought to be turned into a permanent rift via social media campaigns?

The Government of India collectively is smarter, but ultimately will be limited by public opinion.

[A_Gupta]

Per the news, the doctors sent are from Ram Manoharlal Lohia Hospital and Safdarjang Hospital in Delhi.

Burn doctors at Ram Manoharlal Lohia:
https://rmlh.nic.in/departments.aspx?ls ... 6&langid=1

Faculty at the Burns unit at Safdarjang is available as a PDF link on this page:
https://vmmc-sjh.mohfw.gov.in/burns-pla ... al-surgery

Here is the PDF link:
https://vmmc-sjh.mohfw.gov.in/sites/def ... Notice.pdf

No "DrPuja Mukherjee".

[A_Gupta]

More on the Indian doctors in Bangladesh:
https://rumorscanner.com/en/fact-check- ... ons/159896

I do feel it necessary to emphasize that neither China nor Pakistan are democracies, so public opinion does not affect their foreign relations. On the other hand, India is a democracy and public opinion matters. Promoting hostility between India and other countries via social media fake accounts and fake news and amplification of fake news is a well-known tactic of these two countries, and yet we keep failing for it.

Add to that the natural desire of those who earn a living from social media to promote more engagement and clicks - they are running a business after all - and thus to amplify such stuff.

Until social media is treated with the skepticism and caution needed to avoid phishing attacks, the attackers have the advantage. The rule has to be - if it matters to you, then some diligence in checking it is a must before forwarding it. If it doesn't matter to you, under no circumstances do you propagate it.

[gakakkad]

Thank heavens that international relations aren’t determined by social media (oh, wait, Trump…)

Anyhow, this “DrPuja Mukherjee” appears to be a fake Facebook account.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 624&type=3

I suppose it is beyond our imaginations that what might be a temporary blip in India-Bangladesh relations that may be fixed after elections are held, and maybe Yunus and his Islamist cohort are defanged, is sought to be turned into a permanent rift via social media campaigns?

The Government of India collectively is smarter, but ultimately will be limited by public opinion.

I've stopped second guessing modi on foreign policy. His impeccable track record indicates that he generally knows precisely what he is doing and thinks about stuff we don't . They very certainly have access to information we don't

[ricky_v]

A_Gupta sir, your proposal would have merit had it been any other nationality other than bangladeshis, i probably have mentioned it before, a normal, run-off-the-mill bd has a superiority complex over hindus in his country while at the same time having an inferiority complex with indians, the majority of which are hindus... it makes for a fascinating look into schizophrenia and all sorts of dramatics personified into a mass of people who are animated by similar impulses like mass hysteria, hyperventilation, delusions of grandeur, but other than that, it does not provide much value as schizos, much less a society of schizos cannot be anticipated

reflect that i speak on the society as a whole, not some clumps of communities here and some oddments there

the swiftness with which the students shifted their attention to india shows that there is more than a layer of resentment against indians and they are an easy scapegoat for any and all failures, i personally blame the previous admins for this as they were too soft on the bds and this has further inflamed their sense of entitlement over indian resources, things that were granted in friendship were looked upon as a birthright of a nation, it is good that the current admin has rescinded a lot of these seemingly smaller things, like overland transshipments of exports from mumbai instead of dhaka, import of free electricity by conning indian industries, and finally a gentlemanly agreement to not unleash the indian companies on bangladeshi export turf of textiles, footwear

that sort of thinking would have made sense in older terms where the effecient deployment of resources had to be tempered with the time value of the units of production; with advanced tech, deeper investment bench and limited worldwide market, indian companies can undertake both and run the bangladeshis off, i believe many have started working towards this end

but i digress, i believe that the malaise is not limited to yusuf and a roving band of unemployed students, but is rather a font of societal wellspring in its feelings towards indians, no amount of sm managing can undo this on the ground

re: indian polity, i do not feel that it has been successful, hasina is 80+, she will not live forever, at this juncture, there should have been some sort of involvement with numbers 2, 3, 4 and 5 at the least, but there has hardly been a peep, hasina is granted asylum in india, no one else, cannot really decide if success or failure, hell, they should have cultivated other politicians in other camps by throwing monies at them, if the end goal is to ensure that the person incharge is not inimical to indian interests, then from that perspective alone, the policy is not a success

inb4 state rights, this is for weaker nations to whine about, stronger ones identify their area of interest and work accordingly to see that it remains so, there are no sentiments in statecraft

[sanjayc]

They are working towards Greater Bangladesh, and migration of Bangladeshis ("Hijra") to India is strategically thought through by BD intelligence and Govt.

Turkey-backed group in Bangladesh circulates ‘Greater Bangladesh’ map showing Indian territory
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr

Odisha shown as part of ‘Greater Bangladesh’ along with Bihar, Jharkhand; Turkey-based group behind move
https://odishatv.in/news/odisha/odisha- ... ove-263409

And they think it is a fundamental right for them to travel to India

Indian High Commission in Dhaka, facing protests & threats, returns 20,000 visa applicants’ passports

Passports of more than 20,000 Bangladeshi visa applicants have been returned following protests and strongly worded emails including some threatening ones to the Indian High Commission in Dhaka, ThePrint has learnt.

With Indian visa application centres in Bangladesh largely shut since protests led to the fall of the Sheikh Hasina government last month, the passports of many applicants remained with the High Commission in Dhaka. Agitated applicants shot off several emails to the High Commission, one even threatening vandalism. At the same time, staff were heckled at Indian visa application centres, which also saw protests on more than one occasion.

Many even posted threats on social media, tagging the High Commission.

People who think this is a "temporary blip" in otherwise excellent Indo-Bangladesh relations are delusional. BDs see India as soft kill. They are dreaming of taking over parts of India by ensuring Islamic majority through illegal migration. Strategic migration of Muslims to non-Muslim lands is a well-honed tactic since Prophet's time. (They are doing the same in Europe. Have you ever seen Muslims migrating in large numbers to other Muslim countries? They always target non-Muslim countries)

[A_Gupta]

Bangladeshis are not a monolith. The saner types are mostly silent under Yunus for fear of persecution. The battle between Islamic identity and Bangladesh identity is ongoing. The result may tip any direction, but they are not so far down the abyss as Pakistan is.

Yes, the probability is that they continue their downward slide; but as long as there is a chance, India must try; the benefit of not having another Pakistan on the border is huge.

Likewise with not having a Chinese or American military base there, and so on.

And India must not abandon such people:
https://en.prothomalo.com/business/117silaezn

[A_Gupta]

Corruption has engulfed the student movement that ousted Hasina.

https://en.prothomalo.com/bangladesh/po ... iwi9gcdpeo

Excerpt:

Former spokesperson of the Anti-Discrimination Student Movement, Umama Fatema, has described her involvement with the platform as a “tragic” episode in her life.

Anti-Discrimination Student Movement is the platform that led the students and people in the July-August mass uprising last year.

Speaking in a live broadcast on her verified Facebook account on Sunday night, she talked for two hours and 24 minutes, where she described in detail her journey from joining the platform to leaving it and revealed a series of incidents and insights.

“July was a massive experience for me. But once I became the spokesperson of the Anti-Discrimination Student Movement, I discovered that people were using it for all sorts of things. It had never occurred to me that one could make money from this. Why on earth would we turn it into a money-making machine? But unfortunately, that is what happened, almost regularly,” Umama said.

She mentioned that the misuse of the title “coordinator” began almost immediately after the uprising.

[A_Gupta]

Attacks on Hindus in Rangpur because of alleged insult to the Prophet:

https://en.prothomalo.com/bangladesh/lo ... 9nxjup5aop

[A_Gupta]

US involvement in Bangladesh events a ‘myth’: Former US diplomat
https://en.prothomalo.com/bangladesh/a1dpy892mq

At a seminar held Monday at North South University (NSU), Jon Danilowicz stated that they have found evidence that the US was not involved in Bangladesh’s recent changes.

Former US diplomat Jon Danilowicz has termed allegations of US involvement in Bangladesh’s July uprising as a “myth”.

Speaking at a seminar at North South University (NSU) in Dhaka on Monday, he also said such claims have been promoted by the previous government and its supporters. Yet they have provided no evidence to substantiate them.

Danilowicz, former head of the political section at the US Embassy in Bangladesh, was addressing the seminar on the significance of the July revolution in US-Bangladesh relations, organised by NSU’s South Asian Institute of Policy and Governance (SIPG).

“In conversations with US officials, I found no proof to support allegations that Washington was involved in Bangladesh’s recent political developments,” he said. “On the contrary, we found evidence confirming the US was not involved.”

I would love to see such evidence.

Searching via Google Gemini:

In essence, Danilowicz's "evidence" appears to be more about the lack of any credible proof for US involvement from accusers, combined with an understanding of US foreign policy objectives and historical context, rather than specific documents or events that definitively prove non-involvement. He is essentially shifting the burden of proof to those making the allegations.

[Cyrano]

that they have found evidence that the US was not involved in Bangladesh’s recent changes

Thats a new one, SD is able to find evidence of absence

There are confirmed reports of SD officials like Donald Lu and others visiting BD just before the coup which ousted Hasina. I believe they have been open about it and made press statements themselves. Yunus is an SD stooge dusted from allegations of embezzlement of funds and installed in power. The students revolution is a repeat of tried and tested colour revolution model, executed at the very fag end of Biden presidency. BD press has photos of US soldiers bussing it in Dhaka couple of months ago, under Trump presidency. Net net, SD and CIA have an agenda of their own, doing what they please, irrespective of who is in the WH.

So there is enough evidence if one bothers to look for it. SD are blatant liars. If anyone is willing to take their word as is, I have a tank full of phogliston to sell you.

[Rudradev]

US involvement in Bangladesh events a ‘myth’: Former US diplomat
https://en.prothomalo.com/bangladesh/a1dpy892mq

“In conversations with US officials, I found no proof to support allegations that Washington was involved in Bangladesh’s recent political developments,” he said. “On the contrary, we found evidence confirming the US was not involved.”

That he felt compelled to return to the scene of the crime and proclaim a lack of evidence for everything his people did there is evidence enough in itself.