Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

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Another deep dive by Aadi Achint on Pakistan's Secret Nuke Sites. The Pak Army's secrets like Kirana and Chagai with OSINT analysis. A lot of tunnels some recent are shown. There are other sites, some unknown to many.

Pakistan Secret NUKE Sites EXPOSED by Aadi Achint


// One wonders from where are the Paks getting funds for all this activity. Tunnels in mountains are not exactly cheap to make.
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bala wrote: 26 Jul 2025 20:22 // One wonders from where are the Paks getting funds for all this activity. Tunnels in mountains are not exactly cheap to make.
Yeah, but the crore commandus are living in luxury so are the RAPE. Plebians are the only class that is eating grass.
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^^ Yeah that too!

But I think sugar daddies US and China are pouring in the moneys for this nuclear activity, I have a sneaky feeling that Pak is into enriching Uranium for the daddy and selling them for cash. One of the sites Aadi mentions that uranium resources are present and there is mining activity, the centrifuges are kept somewhere else. After the Russia issue of Ukraine, US uranium supply from russia crimped up and they needed someone else. Pak needs to put up the image that they "really have" nuclear weapons for the rest of the world and of course to shove it in the face of India. Maybe China realized it is cheaper to have Munna Pak to do the enrichment and ship them Uranium a la the US. Mean-e-while some clandestine testing of new fangled stuff (from US/China at different sites) were given to munna to trigger earthquakes now and then.

I think R&AW (with Mossad) has a good handle on the goings on in Pak land nuclear shenanigans.
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bala wrote: 27 Jul 2025 06:01 ^^ Yeah that too!

But I think sugar daddies US and China are pouring in the moneys for this nuclear activity, I have a sneaky feeling that Pak is into enriching Uranium for the daddy and selling them for cash. One of the sites Aadi mentions that uranium resources are present and there is mining activity, the centrifuges are kept somewhere else. After the Russia issue of Ukraine, US uranium supply from russia crimped up and they needed someone else. Pak needs to put up the image that they "really have" nuclear weapons for the rest of the world and of course to shove it in the face of India. Maybe China realized it is cheaper to have Munna Pak to do the enrichment and ship them Uranium a la the US. Mean-e-while some clandestine testing of new fangled stuff (from US/China at different sites) were given to munna to trigger earthquakes now and then.

I think R&AW (with Mossad) has a good handle on the goings on in Pak land nuclear shenanigans.
Speaking honestly — a physicist’s opinion using basic logic and known facts (trying to stay balanced with reality here):

Some of the claims in that video and comment thread are, frankly, a bit too imaginative. Let’s look at a few things that stand out:


CLAIMS vs. REALITY – Random few points - Point-by-Point Critique

Claim:
Sugar daddies US and China are pouring in money for Pakistan’s uranium enrichment
- Why it's nonsensical:
US–Pakistan nuclear relations are hostile, not collaborative:

(Since the 1980s, the U.S. has imposed sanctions multiple times (e.g., the Pressler Amendment) to deter Pakistani nuclear weapon development.)

After the A.Q. Khan network exposed Pakistan’s proliferation (to Iran, Libya, North Korea), the U.S. became highly suspicious and vigilant.

US uranium needs are met elsewhere:

The U.S. has plentiful uranium resources (e.g., Wyoming, Texas) and also imports from Canada, Australia, Kazakhstan, and now restarting domestic enrichment via Centrus.

Pakistan is not a player in the global uranium supply chain, commercially or strategically.

China has better options than Pakistan:

China has its own uranium resources, including domestic mines in Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, and partnerships in Niger, Namibia, and Kazakhstan.

For enrichment, China has large modern gaseous centrifuge facilities. It doesn't need Pakistani centrifuges, which are based on old designs derived from European/U.S. technology stolen in the 1980s.

Conclusion: There is no strategic or economic reason for the U.S. or China to outsource uranium enrichment to Pakistan.

Claim: “
Pakistan might be doing clandestine nuclear testing, triggering earthquakes

Why- It’s scientifically absurd:
Seismic monitoring is global and precise:

The Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) has a worldwide seismic network.

Even sub-kiloton tests are easily detected (e.g., North Korea’s 2006 test was ~0.5–1 kT and still clearly observed).

Earthquakes can’t be faked:

Nuclear detonations have distinct seismic signatures (sharp onset, higher frequency content, shallow depth).

The idea that clandestine tests are causing minor earthquakes that go unnoticed by global detectors is not viable.

Conclusion: The idea of secret foreign weapons tests in Pakistan causing “mystery quakes” is geophysically indefensible.

Claim: “
Pakistan has uranium and centrifuges spread across unknown locations

Partially true but misleading:
Yes, Pakistan has uranium mines, notably:

Dera Ghazi Khan: Mined and processed for reactor and weapon use.

Baghalchur: Used and now abandoned (also radioactive contamination reported).

Centrifuge enrichment is not easily dispersed:

Enrichment requires high-voltage power, precision-controlled cascades, and extremely stable infrastructure.

Pakistan’s centrifuges are primarily located at:

Kahuta Research Laboratories (KRL) — the main site.

Possibly newer extensions (e.g., Gadwal, Golra) — but these are already tracked by U.S. and Indian intelligence.

Conclusion: The claim inflates facts — enrichment sites are not “all over the place.” They are in known locations and tracked by national/international surveillance.

Claim: “
Pakistan is doing enrichment work for other countries in exchange for cash”
- Why it falls apart logically and politically:
Nuclear proliferation is heavily watched by:

IAEA (even though Pakistan is not under full-scope safeguards),

National Technical Means (NTMs) — e.g., U.S. satellites, ELINT/SIGINT assets,

NTRO, Mossad, and others.

No rational state (especially the U.S. or China) would trust Pakistan’s opaque, risky environment for secret enrichment — especially post-A.Q. Khan.

Even Iran and North Korea, who had interactions with Pakistan in the past, now run independent domestic programs, not relying on Pakistan.

Conclusion: Pakistan is not a plausible uranium enrichment subcontractor for any nuclear-capable state.

Some of the video has real stuff — tunnels, known sites, old cold test areas. But once you start adding CIA, Beijing, uranium exports, mystery earthquakes, and secret contracts... you’re drifting into Tom Clancy territory.
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basic logic and known facts
Problem is that Op Sindoor has shown the lies of the US and Pak. So using such things as known facts is not going to help one bit. Why did the US intervene after Nur Khan was taken out, what are they hiding in Pak to warrant a complete U-turn from what VP Vance said the previous day. There is something not right about this whole Pak nuclear angle, from 1998 onwards. Let us not pretend there is "nothing shady happening".

Then the Chinese are said to have assisted the Pak not equipment but live tracking of Op Sindoor from Chengdu. Both US and China are upto to subterfuge hoodwinking the entire world with shady backdoor dealings.
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^^^ ..
Look, sure — geopolitics is messy, and intel agencies don’t exactly put out press releases for everything they do. But let’s not throw out all verified logic, science, and common sense just because there’s a history of shady deals.

Just because some things are secret doesn’t mean everything is a conspiracy. In serious discussions, especially on something as technical as nukes, we need to stick to what’s verifiable — physics, satellite data, known facilities — not leap from “Op Sindoor” to wild theories about Chengdu command rooms or US-Pak-China triple plays without solid evidence.

Good learning means asking tough questions and staying grounded. It’s fine to be skeptical — but indulging in full-blown conspiracy theories doesn't help us understand the real story.

Indian intel is top-tier — and so are our physicists and scientists. Between satellites, signals, and people on the ground, there’s probably little happening in Pakistan’s nuclear program that surprises them. Let’s stick to that strength, instead of drifting into wild theory-land.
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wild theories about Chengdu
Lt. Gen Rahul Singh mentioned Chengdu in his briefing as evidence of China's complicity in Pak so it ain't a wild theory.

Many things on nuke stuff is "So what?", the IAEA has been an utter failure monitoring things in Iran as an example. We cannot depend on monitoring as a means of verification. Humans are very creative in subverting such monitoring. Pak is highly subvertive. Also the tango with the US and China in Pak has yielded many sneaky things, much of it unaccounted despite all the gee whiz cross verification and so called logical analysis.

What India did to take out kirana and other sites of Pak based on Indian Intelligence is the correct analysis. If people are not in synch with such happenings - too bad - please refrain/ignore from commenting. Those are the facts.
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bala wrote: 27 Jul 2025 19:44 Those are the facts.
Bala ji, "facts" are a monopoly of a couple of people in BRF. All others talk nonsense. :roll:
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Vayutuvan wrote: 28 Jul 2025 01:07 "facts" are a monopoly of a couple of people
Vayu ji, I went to a convent school in Bluru which spent a lot of time drilling the basics into your head and allowed people to then work towards a solution for any problem. This ethos stood me in good stead, since I like to approach things from basics and evolve from there. Small anecdote in esteemed El Premium elite college days tried to solve tricky physics equation after sleeping for the first 20 min after lunch in class. What I got as a result differed from the kitab. Showed to El Prof who took my notes and the following week he told me i discovered yet another new fangled sub particle in the zoo of particles.

Op SIndoor there are many things hidden which are not obvious, so many shady BS by US/China with terroristan Pak. Where do we start to figure out things. Any and all things are feasible, with a madrassa educated bunch manned by money gouging elite.
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