India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 30 Jul 2025 21:35

Regarding the tariffs, the response of the Indian opposition is remarkable.

It is India’s misfortune that the opposition is infantile and has its head in the gutter. More Modi derangement syndrome.

I suppose it is understandable when you know there is no chance of winning an election. All that booty lost.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 30 Jul 2025 21:47

Tradingeconomics.com

Brent crude oil futures rose to $73.5 per barrel on Wednesday, holding at a five-week high, supported by supply concerns after President Donald Trump pressured Russia with a shortened timeline to end the conflict in Ukraine. Trump gave Moscow a ten-day deadline to propose a satisfactory resolution or face consequences, including the imposition of 100% secondary tariffs on countries continuing to trade with Russia. Such measures could significantly disrupt the oil market, as major US trading partners—key buyers of Russian crude—may scale back or halt purchases amid rising compliance risks. Adding to the upward pressure, the US–EU trade deal, despite introducing a 15% tariff on most EU goods, averted a broader trade war that could have impacted a third of global trade and weakened fuel demand. On the downside, prices faced some pressure after EIA data revealed a surprise 7.7 million-barrel build in US crude inventories, defying expectations of a 2 million-barrel decline.

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 30 Jul 2025 23:39

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 31 Jul 2025 00:16

A_Gupta wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:47 Tradingeconomics.com
a surprise 7.7 million-barrel build in US crude inventories, defying expectations of a 2 million-barrel decline.

Suvarna kapi (hat tip @Yagnasri gaaru) is going to sell 5 million barrels at these inflated prices to EU.

That will net him usd ~300 million in the short term.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 31 Jul 2025 01:37

^ what in the world is suvarna kapi

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 31 Jul 2025 01:52

gakakkad wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 01:37 ^ what in the world is suvarna kapi

gold coffee literal translation i think !

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jul 2025 02:03

Golden monkey

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jul 2025 02:14

ThePrint:

On announcing 25% tariff, plus a penalty on India, US President Donald Trump says, ‘Prime Minister Modi is a friend of mine, but they don't do very much business in terms of business with us. They sell a lot to us, but we don't buy from them. Because the tariff is so high. They have one of the highest tariffs in the world now. They are willing to cut it very substantially. But we will see what happens.’ He further says, ‘We are negotiating right now and it's also BRICS. BRICS, which is basically a group of countries that are anti the United States and India is a member of that. It is an attack on the dollar and we are not going to let anybody attack the dollar. So it's partially BRICS and it's partially trade...We had a tremendous deficit. Prime Minister Modi is a friend of mine, but they don't do very much business in terms of business with us. They sell a lot to us, but we don't buy from them. Because the tariff is so high. They have one of the highest tariffs in the world. Now, they are willing to cut it very substantially. But we will see what happens. We are talking to India now. We will see what happens. It doesn't matter too much whether we have a deal or we charge them a certain tariff. But you will know at the end of this week.’

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 31 Jul 2025 02:45

Whether it's trade or Pakistan, Resident Chump's compulsion to spin a story of "winning" some heroic struggle always creates a major headache for Modi Sarkar. That's because his rhetoric translates directly into talking points for India's worthless parasite opposition, greatly limiting Modi Sarkar's room for political maneouvre— which is ultimately to India's detriment as well as America's.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 31 Jul 2025 02:58

Trump takes a narrow view of goods trade to project deficit. This suits his narrative and India would have negotiated a wholistic agreement. If tariffs do become reality - then USA will be affected more than India!

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 31 Jul 2025 03:23

Reposting from other dhaga - some recap of a few posts I made over the years in this dhaga - and how they trurned out.

NISAR – A Joint Journey in Science
- Amber G. (For BRF)

- From someone who’s been following this closely — a scientist-teacher, and a quiet admirer of both nations’ space efforts.

Now that NISAR has successfully launched — a major milestone in US–India cooperation in space science — I thought it might be useful (and a bit satisfying!) to look back at some key moments from its journey.

What follows is a quick recap of updates and reflections I’ve shared in the US–India thread over the last few years. . Please see the detail post(s) under each heading.

Not official press releases — just a collection of informal posts from yours truly, a scientist and teacher who’s been quietly proud of this unique collaboration and what it stands for.

- April 2022 – Diplomatic Spotlight

In the official India–US joint statement, NISAR was mentioned prominently — a sign of how important this scientific mission was to both governments.

It wasn’t just about satellites — it showed how Earth observation and climate science had entered the strategic partnership space.

February 2023 – Nearing the Finish Line
(February 2023 – Nearing the Finish LineII )
1. At-a-glance update:

Shared this brief note:

The NASA-ISRO Synthetic Aperture Radar (NISAR) mission was moving toward a 2024 launch.

It would use dual-frequency radar (L-band and S-band) to systematically track changes in forests, water, agriculture, and crustal deformation — all with open-access data.

2. Big move – Payload ships to India:

“Scientific heart of NISAR leaves JPL in style!”

In early Feb 2023, NASA’s radar payload was prepped and officially sent to India after a public rollout.

NASA’s Laurie Leshin and ISRO’s S. Somanath jointly highlighted how this mission could monitor everything from glacier motion to soil moisture.

Posted photos of the equipment inside JPL’s clean room — looked stunning.

August 2023 – Reflections Amid Big Announcements

Around the time news of the Biden-Modi State Visit broke, I re-shared the NISAR post in the context of growing trust and cooperation between the two nations.

Also said this:

I was particularly happy when S. Somanath became ISRO Chairman — he’s respected by both scientists and the public, and also has a solid reputation in NASA and US circles.

Felt like a moment worth acknowledging — one where science, leadership, and diplomacy all aligned.

June 2025 – The Launch
Finally, the big news:

NISAR planed to be launched in 2025

I shared a summary of what makes this mission special:

What NISAR does:

Uses synthetic aperture radar to detect minute Earth changes (down to centimeters)

Works day or night, in all weather

Data is freely available — supporting:

Disaster response (e.g., floods, landslides, oil spills)

Climate monitoring (e.g., ice sheets, land deformation)

Agriculture (e.g., soil moisture estimation)

Features include:

Scans land and ice surfaces twice every 12 days

Tracks flooded vegetation, wetlands

Observes glacier motion, coastal erosion

Total cost: approx $1.5 billion

It's a triumph of open science, international trust, and engineering.

I also made it clear I wouldn’t waste time with online trolls — science like this deserves better.

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Some personal refrection:

Flashy deep-space missions are fun — but missions like NISAR are where real-world impact and international cooperation shine brightest.

From California’s JPL to ISRO’s Satish Dhawan Space Centre, from radar arrays to rice paddies, from glacial flow to groundwater maps — this mission speaks to the planet’s needs.

It’s a proud moment — for science, for diplomacy, and for the many teams across two continents who made it happen.

– Amber G.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 31 Jul 2025 05:48

gakakkad wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 01:37 ^ what in the world is suvarna kapi

alterantively sona bandar.

SHQ says panDu kOti (Telugu for an old monkey with golden hair and orange skin).

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 31 Jul 2025 07:00

Meanwhie - Looks like, object of worship of quite a few here, Trump just announced a new oil deal with Pakistan. According to a post on TruthSocial, the U.S. and Pakistan will work together to develop what he called “massive oil reserves.” He even threw in a line saying “Maybe they’ll be selling oil to India some day!”

This comes right after Trump slapped 25% tariffs on India and warned about more penalties because of India's ongoing trade with Russia — especially when it comes to oil and defense.

He also mentioned that the U.S. is still negotiating a trade deal with India, but complained about India being part of BRICS, calling it a group that’s basically “anti-U.S.” He said BRICS is trying to weaken the dollar and that the U.S. won’t allow that.
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Anyway, this new U.S.-Pakistan oil move adds a new twist to the whole India-U.S.-Russia situation. Let’s see where it goes.

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Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

We are very busy in the White House today working on Trade Deals. I have spoken to the Leaders of many Countries, all of whom want to make the United States “extremely happy.” I will be meeting with the South Korean Trade Delegation this afternoon. South Korea is right now at a 25% Tariff, but they have an offer to buy down those Tariffs. I will be interested in hearing what that offer is.

We have just concluded a Deal with the Country of Pakistan, whereby Pakistan and the United States will work together on developing their massive Oil Reserves. We are in the process of choosing the Oil Company that will lead this Partnership. Who knows, maybe they’ll be selling Oil to India some day!

Likewise, other Countries are making offers for a Tariff reduction. All of this will help reduce our Trade Deficit in a very major way. A full report will be released at the appropriate time. Thank you for your attention to this matter. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jul 2025 07:50

Well, China certainly has the capital, so either China lacks the technology to develop Pakistan's "massive Oil Reserves" or else the Pakistanis managed to con Trump (not a bad achievement). Or Trump is simply needling India.

Pakistan's oil reserves, per Google Gemini:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qva ... sp=sharing

Short story, the lower Indus basin has 14 billion barrels of shale oil/gas but extremely difficult to develop. Per the AI, I don't know how reliable it is. Per the AI:

The immense potential of unconventional shale oil reserves, estimated at 14 billion barrels, stands in stark contrast to the significant obstacles in their development. This includes the challenging geological conditions, environmental considerations, and the economic disincentive posed by low domestic prices. The current policy framework, which does not adequately address these concerns, means that Pakistan possesses the resources to achieve long-term energy independence but currently lacks the comprehensive strategy and sustained investment necessary to unlock them.

A significant development reported in September (presumably 2024) was the discovery of a "massive deposit of oil and natural gas within its territorial waters," with some media outlets suggesting it could potentially be the fourth-largest oil and gas reserve globally.6 While this claim, if definitively proven and commercially viable, would be transformative for Pakistan's energy outlook, it currently lacks detailed, verifiable specifics in the provided information.

While recent discoveries of oil and condensate are positive indicators of continued exploration potential, their relatively small individual yields (e.g., 55 b/d, 74 b/d, 310 b/d condensate) suggest that these finds are primarily incremental rather than immediately transformative. Given Pakistan's massive daily oil consumption, these discoveries are unlikely to bridge the substantial supply-demand gap in the short to medium term without a significant increase in the frequency and scale of such finds. An expert noted that the Faakir-1 discovery, while a "critical domestic win," is "not a gusher by global standards".16

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jul 2025 08:01

On further thought, Trump and what oil company? If there was something commercially viable, the oil companies would already be at it. Trump is needling India. Trump is very good at manipulating individuals and populations, knowing exactly which buttons to press.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jul 2025 09:02

6 Indian Companies Sanctioned By US Over Iran Petroleum Purchases
The US Department of State Wednesday announced sanctions on 20 entities, including six from India, for trading with Iran.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/6-india ... es-8988789

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 31 Jul 2025 09:07

A_Gupta wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 08:01 On further thought, Trump and what oil company? If there was something commercially viable, the oil companies would already be at it. Trump is needling India. Trump is very good at manipulating individuals and populations, knowing exactly which buttons to press.

Maybe it's not (or only partially is) about needling India. Remember, Pakistan has given (minimum) $60 million in crypto bribes. It's quite possible that lunch at the White House was an extra charge from Ass-him Munir's own pocket. Jensen Huang, CEO of NVidia, reportedly paid $5 million just for dinner at Mar-A-Lago, after which the barriers against NVidia selling sensitive chip technology to China magically disappeared.

For that much money Trump must have agreed to fly a few kites via Truth Social that keep Ass-him Munir's political fortunes afloat within Pakistan itself. No doubt many are gunning for him after the terrible beating of Op Sindoor. If Trump can spew some nonsense about "developing massive oil reserves" etc. every now and then, he is essentially providing Munir with the kind of khayaali pulaao that feeds political support in Pakistan (what else do they have as political currency over there).

I'm also interested in knowing how much Trump's bloviations (regarding tariffs, sanctions, and the fictional parameters of trade dels) actually affect stock indices these days. There was a time when such pronouncements by a US President could send markets soaring or tumbling, and thereby form a lever of political pressure in and of themselves. I'm sure they must have developed substantial immunity to the rants coming out of the White House by now, though.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 31 Jul 2025 09:20

By the way-- it is a good thing to support the few friends that Bharat DOES have in the US Ecosystem.

One such is Professor Salvatore Babones. You've seen him interviewed multiple times on news channels and YouTube, where he provides compelling and fact-based demolitions of the anti-India/anti-Modi propaganda from the Western MSM machine.

He has just come out with a book on the subject: "Dharma Democracy: How India Built the Third World’s First Democracy"
https://www.amazon.com/Dharma-Democracy ... 1923224735

Sales of this book need to be boosted. It is currently being massively out-sold by Audrey Truschke's fake and anti-Hindu "History of India" (which actually costs $10 more!) Only with strong sales will authors like Babones get more book deals from Western publishers-- there is already a cabal of "South Asia Studies" academics trying to block him from access to mainstream publishers because he will not tow their line.

Please spend a little money and purchase the book. It's the least we can do as individual Bharatiyas-- when someone speaks up for OUR narrative, support him.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 31 Jul 2025 09:22

A_Gupta wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 07:50 Well, China certainly has the capital, so either China lacks the technology to develop Pakistan's "massive Oil Reserves" or else the Pakistanis managed to con Trump (not a bad achievement). Or Trump is simply needling India.

Trump's tweet probably comes as a surprise to Pak, unless they have managed to con Trump, with one of their stories of discovering a zillion tons of whatever.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 31 Jul 2025 09:29

I had so far given the benefit of doubt to Trump, assuming that he must have basic competence to be President and the US system won't allow a fool to be elected. I think I was mistaken. He's not just incompetent, he's deranged and those around him won't tell him so.

You don't do diplomacy on social media. Don't publish something that the other side has not agreed to.
Because we follow diplomacy, we are diplomatic enough to not call him a liar, as Raga asked in Parliament.

The US does not have an Ambassador to India - though we are the two biggest democracies (in population, size of economy in PPP and military power). There is a one year wait for a visa interview, so there is no attempt to even get the basics of a relationship right.

Trump has zero understanding of our red lines and has no credibility on a shared concern like fighting terror - he entertains Pakistan and makes ludicrous claims of his mediating a ceasefire. He says his main adversary is China, but equates his strongest potential ally (India) against China, with China The only reason any head of state would still have a serious discussion with him, is because he heads the US.

He also lies to the extent that nothing he says can be taken seriously. We are not a `tariff king'. Our average tariff for US items is much less than Trump's 25% (plus an unspecified penalty). Trying to tariff a country because they are prosecuting your friend, or buying oil from Russia, are school bully tactics.

A basic tenet of tariffs, is that raw material and intermediate goods are tariffed at less than a finished product. I can understand if he wants to tariff imported cars, when Japan and Korea protect their markets. If you tariff the components (that we export), all that happens is that the made in US car becomes more expensive, It will take years to set up an alternate source. Tariffing steel that goes to make ships, will only make the already uncompetitive US ships, even less competitive compared to China and Korea.

I think the effects on the US economy will be felt after 6 months.

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 31 Jul 2025 09:41

i agree with the above posts, trump is trying to needle indians so that the emotive and vocal public cause headaches for the goi in domestic politics and thus forces them to a deal that may not be the best if only to keep trump from shooting off a truth social post, in civilised countries, might also be termed as domestic election interference

it is more than likely that the us and russia will kiss and make up in the near future but india will still have to pay the unspecified penalty for purchasing oil from russia
there is also an attempt to equate indians with pakis, the ideal way is to not respond outright but go into the deep freeze chai biskoot mode, all the while try and leverage population of users to wean off us tech and go to indian made ecosystems

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jul 2025 09:43

Deans wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 09:29 I had so far given the benefit of doubt to Trump, assuming that he must have basic competence to be President and the US system won't allow a fool to be elected. I think I was mistaken. He's not just incompetent, he's deranged and those around him won't tell him so.

If one paid attention to Trump's officials in his first term, their own testimony is that Trump is not competent to be President. I guess the propaganda-media machine dismissed as "Deep State" and "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Or else no one was paying attention. Any other alternative is scary. The cult members on BRF are a constant reminder.

And H.L.Mencken was prescient: "“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

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Anis Shivani (but in Yawn) wrote:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1927562/explaining-trump-20

The psychological burden of fighting endless wars and flattening nation after nation for more than 80 years, in Latin America, Africa, Asia and more recently the Muslim world, has become too much to bear. At some point, when empire’s atrocities become too great, the contradictions and hypocrisies dissolve entirely, as the empire implodes in a burst of honesty, and citizens step back to admire their own gruesome handiwork.

The scary thing is that Trump is merely an exclamation point, giving vent to the vapid brutality of the American soul, in both its liberal and conservative incarnations, with no varnish or prettification.

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Amazon.com (US):
Audrey Truschke's book: #78,511 in Books
Salvatore Babone's book: #5,061 in Books

Amazon.in (India):
Audrey Truschke's book: #1,560 in Books
Salvatore Babone's book: #2,126 in Books

Amazon.co.uk (United Kingdom):
Audrey Truschke's book: #46,140 in Books
Salvatore Babone's book: #26,414 in Books

Thereby proving that some Indians are among India's worst enemies.

bala · Post by **bala** » 31 Jul 2025 09:49

Maj Gen Rajiv Narayanan discusses 25% tariff war unleashed by the US on India. Maj Gen questions the whole suck up by the US towards Pak, when BLA and Taliban are hammering Pak. Who are the US going to negotiate and cut a deal on Oil etc when the countryside is burning down. China is already pissed of with Pak and are shunning them though they will never leave the Munna. But the US tango with Pak is not their cup of tea. What happens if India leaves the QUAD, what is the US going to do by itself, China will welcome such a move. There are many factors that India has that the US is spurning quite moronically based on fits on the trade front. The writing is on the wall that India will become important and an alternative to China. All the talk about manufacturing going back to US is ridiculous. Take the iphone: it would cost $ 3K if made in US, good luck with that. The EU has no alternative other than to co-opt India, they have UK already in India's trade camp. This Russian thing is temporary, Ukraine deal could be done anytime depending on Russia and Ukraine agreeing. Then what.

Trump 25% tariff war, sanction on India, QUAD Brics Pak China - Maj Gen Rajiv Narayanan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1DaDKFVEj0

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 31 Jul 2025 09:56

DJT says he will penalise India for doing business with Russia..

This is the value goods America itself imported from Russia between Jan to November last year.

Some points:
- In 2023, Russia supplied about 25–27% of the enriched uranium used in U.S. civilian nuclear reactors (worth around $1.2 billion, with ~700 metric tons imported )

(AFAIK A law passed in May  bars Russian uranium imports now though waivers may be granted through 2027 'for essential supplies ' - It still get quite a bit still from there.. may be about half of that)

-Titanium imports to the U.S. have largely stopped..but other metals like Ni (AFAIK) still continue..

(BTW Germany still - actually increased - gets LOT of U from the import of U from Russia ..)

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 31 Jul 2025 10:28

Deans wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 09:29 I had so far given the benefit of doubt to Trump, assuming that he must have basic competence to be President and the US system won't allow a fool to be elected. I think I was mistaken. He's not just incompetent, he's deranged and those around him won't tell him so.

<snip>.

As I’ve said many times before, I’ve known of Donald Trump since the 1970s—I’ve lived in the U.S. since then—and, frankly, he has not changed in any meaningful way. The core traits that many now find troubling were evident even back then. Virtually everyone in my broader circle—family, friends, colleagues—including many who have been lifelong Republicans, hold a strong dislike for Trump.

I’m in an academic environment and regularly interact with people from a wide range of backgrounds and political beliefs. Even so, I have virtually never encountered anyone who is a genuine fan of Trump in face-to-face settings. Yes, I understand he has a vocal base of supporters online, and any criticism is often dismissed as “Trump Derangement Syndrome,” but much of that devotion borders on cult-like behavior. BRF is a proof of that such a cult exist.

What concerns me most is his consistent disdain for science and facts. His public stance has been overtly anti-science—denying the reality of climate change, spreading misinformation about vaccines, and undermining basic scientific principles. For those of us who value reason, evidence, and integrity, this isn’t just disappointing—it’s dangerous..

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Coming back to the recent event - Looks like he was fooled by Pak , and thinks he can bully India.
Few comments: (My take)

- So far, only Trump has publicly announced this oil reserves agreement. There is no public endorsement or confirmation yet from reputable U.S. bodies or Pakistani government agencies specifying companies, scale, or timeline.The Pakistani Embassy in Washington has not issued any public comment in response to Trump’s announcemet

- Pakistani industry experts emphasize that the offshore reserves remain hypothetical until exploration and drilling proceed, which could take 4–5 years and require investment in the billions.
(Muhammad Arif, a former member of Pakistan’s Oil & Gas Regulatory Authority (OGRA), emphasized that such initial survey results are not a guarantee. He noted that the data is preliminary and warned that optimism should be tempered with caution until real extraction operations begin)

- Separately, Pakistan has publicly floated the idea of importing U.S. crude to help address trade imbalances, but this is still at a proposal stage.

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 31 Jul 2025 10:56

We seem to be in a "time is a flat circle" of our own in here, before this turns into another inevitable us politics circle jerk, reflect that the title of the thread mentions 2 countries, atleast try to put some effort to shoehorn the other country in your bait postings

Again, it is irrelevant to the topic of this thread if the person is the devil incarnate or angel reborn if the effects of such reincarnation are not demonstrated against the other afore mentioned country, an oft overlooked aspect in a forum named after the country

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 31 Jul 2025 11:28

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrum ... 7973193713

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 31 Jul 2025 11:33

One major factor is that many other countries have rolled over & given up when faced with Trump's tariff threats. This includes Indonesia, Vietnam, and even Japan (which, unprecedentedly, has opened its market to imports of American rice). Such victories have encouraged Trump into thinking that rising Asian economies are all desperate to make a deal, and that India is likely to roll over too.

The only holdouts against Trump's demands so far have been Canada and China.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 31 Jul 2025 11:37

^^Interesting DJT above: "Russia and USA do almost no business together"
Wee see my post before above in the graph...

(that annual imports hovered around $3.0 billion for 2024)

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 31 Jul 2025 11:49

Q: can India afford to give positive inducements (reduced barriers, etc) to other countries or blocs who are competitors of the US, as a short term measure? Japan, ROK, Taiwan, EU, individual European countries for example.

It would not be a bad thing to slap huge taxes on any purchases made via Amazon, on subscriptions to Netflix/Adobe/Microsoft services, etc.

Meta is more difficult to retaliate against because so many Indians rely on WhatsApp. This could be compensated for by a Swadeshi-type mass movement of citizens voluntarily deleting, or at least freezing, their Facebook accounts (similar to how there was a nationwide public movement to reject Chinese products and digital services during Galwan, and to some extent Turkish ones after Op Sindoor). Of course, organizing and motivating such a movement requires a mastery of narrative building and media management skills that this GOI has not demonstrated by a long shot so far. But there's no better time than now to make a serious effort in that direction.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 31 Jul 2025 11:50

ricky_v wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 09:41 i agree with the above posts, trump is trying to needle indians so that the emotive and vocal public cause headaches for the goi in domestic politics and thus forces them to a deal that may not be the best if only to keep trump from shooting off a truth social post, in civilised countries, might also be termed as domestic election interference

it is more than likely that the us and russia will kiss and make up in the near future but india will still have to pay the unspecified penalty for purchasing oil from russia
there is also an attempt to equate Indians with pakis, the ideal way is to not respond outright but go into the deep freeze chai biskoot mode, all the while try and leverage population of users to wean off us tech and go to indian made ecosystems

ricky_v ji,

truth be told, there are only two countries interested in equating India - pak, and those are the US and India

the amrikis, (more specifically, by a vengeful trumpwa), are baiting India and foolish India is rising to the bait by discussing this crap in parliament and thus giving the issue undue importance.

NO Other country in the world is equating India pak, because they all know that there is no basis for such an equation and BTW, every unhinged utterance by the amrikis does not need or even merit a reply

“Not My Circus, Not My Monkeys” is the best response but it should be apparent in our deeds and not by our foolish words

the pakis themselves do not equate India pak as they once so insistently tried to do. they know their footpath aukat and that includes the jihadi army and their corrupt jernails, the equally jihadi abdoools and ayeshaaas, and more importantly, their katora carrying bhooka nangaa 'CIVILIAN' governments

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 31 Jul 2025 11:59

Rudradev wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 11:49 Q: can India afford to give positive inducements (reduced barriers, etc) to other countries or blocs who are competitors of the US, as a short term measure? Japan, ROK, Taiwan, EU, individual European countries for example.

It would not be a bad thing to slap huge taxes on any purchases made via Amazon, on subscriptions to Netflix/Adobe/Microsoft services, etc.

Meta is more difficult to retaliate against because so many Indians rely on WhatsApp. This could be compensated for by a Swadeshi-type mass movement of citizens voluntarily deleting, or at least freezing, their Facebook accounts (similar to how there was a nationwide public movement to reject Chinese products and digital services during Galwan, and to some extent Turkish ones after Op Sindoor). Of course, organizing and motivating such a movement requires a mastery of narrative building and media management skills that this GOI has not demonstrated by a long shot so far. But there's no better time than now to make a serious effort in that direction.

Already, Microsoft is backing down from the Nayara clash
https://youtu.be/CTM_gdbehhI?si=UWTKMrNlg6zt-msI

US tech giants (who have a lot of influence with Resident Chump these days) know what they have to lose if India's gloves come off.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 31 Jul 2025 12:22

For the record (sorry if already posted)

"The government attaches the utmost importance to protecting and promoting the welfare of our farmers, entrepreneurs, and MSMEs"

nits · Post by **nits** » 31 Jul 2025 12:27

Rudradev wrote:
Already, Microsoft is backing down from the Nayara clash
https://youtu.be/CTM_gdbehhI?si=UWTKMrNlg6zt-msI

US tech giants (who have a lot of influence with Resident Chump these days) know what they have to lose if India's gloves come off.

the problem is the gloves never comes off when it comes to US; despite Indians being the larest IT workforce and max CEO's in IT co's - we dont have any plan for our own OS or internet

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Jul 2025 12:35

Our internal parliament debates make for indian press headlines and SM fwds, but have little impact beyond within and outside the country.

Trump is as Trump does. The more he jumps the more his desparation is visible. After importing tariffed materials and components, the cost of living and cost of producing in the US will inevitably go up. US exports will be even less competitive in future.

Except for agri, dairy and a few SME heavy sectors that India will not cede on, irrespective of the tariffs on American products, they will anyways end up out pricing themselves in the Indian market. Harley Davidson is a case in point.

The US cannot afford to subsidize it's domestic industries and make exports affordable given it's colossal mountain of debt that the suvarna kapi cannot lift coz he is no Hanuman.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 31 Jul 2025 12:39

Chhoti Chhoti Baatein, Badi Badi Tweets – Trump Bhai in Full Desi Mode!"

India obsession on 30th July
8.09 AM EST: 1st post, announces tariffs, penalty
8.11 AM: 2nd post, trade deficit
12.30 PM: At a presser, says India tariffs
3:52 PM: 3rd post, Announces Pak trade deal, swipe at India
12:00 AM: 4th post, says Indian economy dead

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 31 Jul 2025 12:56

this is the exchange between medvedey and graham that prompted trump to fire off the truther about both indian and russian economies down in dumps, lindesy graham is a long time pro-paki and india baiter

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 31 Jul 2025 13:04

chetak wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 11:50
ricky_v ji,

truth be told, there are only two countries interested in equating India - pak, and those are the US and India

the amrikis, (more specifically, by a vengeful trumpwa), are baiting India and foolish India is rising to the bait by discussing this crap in parliament and thus giving the issue undue importance.

NO Other country in the world is equating India pak, because they all know that there is no basis for such an equation and BTW, every unhinged utterance by the amrikis does not need or even merit a reply

“Not My Circus, Not My Monkeys” is the best response but it should be apparent in our deeds and not by our foolish words

the pakis themselves do not equate India pak as they once so insistently tried to do. they know their footpath aukat and that includes the jihadi army and their corrupt jernails, the equally jihadi abdoools and ayeshaaas, and more importantly, their katora carrying bhooka nangaa 'CIVILIAN' governments

there is something to what you say chetak sir, only the mention of equating india and pakistan causes severe irritation and then everyone must prove and counter prove that it is not so the case; if the goi has grasped the play, then the only things that need to be mentioned in the parliament ought to be technical heavy speech mentioning the various parties and committees formed and working to resolve the issue without giving undue attention to the truthers fired off by trump, our babus are the best in masterful inactivity, i believe that there have been some articles from former us state department personnel that mentioned their frustration while working with their indian counterparts where there used to be virtually zero outcome, such tactics would need to be deployed again

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 31 Jul 2025 13:07

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Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 31 Jul 2025 13:07

nits wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 12:27
the problem is the gloves never comes off when it comes to US; despite Indians being the larest IT workforce and max CEO's in IT co's - we dont have any plan for our own OS or internet

Sir, no need to dhoti shiver.

1) There is a lot of room to inflict pain on US tech giants, between the current situation and the point of totally replacing Windows/iOS/Android or building our own internet behind the Great Firewall.

Will the steps taken cause hardship & difficulties for Indian users in the short-to-medium term? Yes of course. No one ordinarily wants to make the effort to migrate their FB profiles or Amazon accounts to other, non-US platforms. No one wants to swap MS 360 for Open Office or Adobe Photoshop for Krita.

It will take strong leadership & communication from GOI to rally a mass effort in that direction, inspiring a spirit of public sacrifice to preserve national strength and sovereignty. But it can be done— Trump's big mouth & imperious visa restrictions themselves serve as a great boost to the required messaging.

2) Prototypes for things like BharOS already exist. They have been slow-walked so far, but it's very much in India's capacity to roll out a fully functional OS for computers, servers, and smartphones within a year.

3) Our "own internet" may take longer and require partnerships with other countries (Eastern Europe, East Asia) because of the need to integrate hardware infrastructure and specialized domain expertise. Nonetheless it is doable in 3 to 4 years... many pieces are already in place if the project is assigned to Jio, TIS or Adani to accomplish.

As I said, none of it is possible without short term pain for many crores of Indians, and this will prove a challenge for Modi sarkar to initiate and sustain. But if any GOI could rise to such a challenge, it is this one. And the end result would show that Trump did a bigger favor to India with his intransigence than any US regime could have done out of self-professed benevolence.