India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[pravula]

Boston Brahmins. Still a dig on Hindus

[Vayutuvan]

While people like Navarro have very little idea of what they are talking about, we shouldn't fixate too much on the "brahmin" appellation. In USA "brahmin" is often used to denote "elite" in general, and not the actual caste/jati/varna that is meant in Bharat.

This is the exact same argument given by Pagalika Goose and her hubby. Also another fool of an ass INC piddi did the same. This is mind boggling coming from a supposedly self-avowed BJP supporter, scientist/technologist par excellence, and an intellectual to boot.

[Vayutuvan]

Boston Brahmins. Still a dig on Hindus

100%.

[A_Gupta]

[A_Gupta]

Boston Brahmins. Still a dig on Hindus

An American elite that abstains from meat and alcohol cannot exist.

(Yes, I know the old prohibitions are largely broken today. But then, the elite status derived from a discipline of which these were a minor part.)

[pravula]

Boston Brahmins. Still a dig on Hindus

An American elite that abstains from meat and alcohol cannot exist.

(Yes, I know the old prohibitions are largely broken today. But then, the elite status derived from a discipline of which these were a minor part.)

Trump is a teetotaler, but lives on McD

[Amber G.]

Former NSA of United States Jake Sullivan.

"Trump has thrown the relationship with India away. Germany or Japan will look at India and say that could be us tomorrow. America’s friends will think that they can’t rely on us in any way”.

[Amber G.]

I wrote about Terence Tao, one of the most renowned mathematician having second thoughts about remaining in USA.

Well.. In an interview with the South China Morning Post published on August 27, 2025, Tao was asked, "Will you leave US for China?" He replied, "It depends," highlighting the uncertainty surrounding the current research funding environment. Tao elaborated that the situation is "very fluid and unstable right now—far more than it has been at any previous point in the last 30 years.
‘Will you leave US for China?’ It depends, mathematician Terence Tao says

My take - Terence Tao is regarded as one of the greatest living mathematicians, sometimes called the “Mozart of Math.” Given his stature, many countries and leading universities would very likely welcome him enthusiastically if he chose to relocate.

China - Already making overtures, offering stable funding and prestige appointments.
Australia - His home country would be proud to have him back, if he ever wanted to return.
India: Top institutions would surely extend invitations, both for prestige and to inspire young researchers.
Europe (e.g., Cambridge, Oxford, ETH Zürich, Max Planck): Well-funded and research-oriented, they’d be keen to host him.

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile :Indian Army contingent has reached Fort Wainwright, Alaska USA for the 21st edition of Yudh Abhyas 2025 (01 – 14 Sept).

Alongside U.S. 11th Airborne Division troops, they’ll train in heliborne ops, mountain warfare, UAS/counter-UAS & joint tactical drills—boosting UN PKO & multi-domain readiness.

[uddu]

@SirJambavan
Americans treated him far worse even before he became PM. He didn't care for his ego and built bridges. And the US burned those bridges now.
Unfortunately for you, Laura, we don't live on just yesterday's news. We remember.

Laura Ingraham
@IngrahamAngle
It’s insane that Modi apparently thinks this sort of thing will make the Americans treat him better.

https://x.com/narendramodi/status/1962345355045158979
@narendramodi
Interactions in Tianjin continue! Exchanging perspectives with President Putin and President Xi during the SCO Summit.

[nits]

https://x.com/shivaroor/status/1962326798865490241?s=46

“Brahmins profiteering at the expense of the Indian people,” says @RealPNavarro.

Clearly some desi on Team Trump has told him “Sir, the racist shit didn’t really land, let’s try caste.”

Attack Dog-in-Chief’s latest right ahead of Modi-Putin meet.

I think GOI has to respond to this. Navarro has crossed all lines.

Sir he is chanjai Rahut for Trump; we can ignore him and not give any importance

[Cyrano]

This is a racist + casteist slur. It may have come from Navarro's ignorance but there is no need to defend his malicious intent saying Boston variety etc. Especially here on BRF.

[uddu]

There is 0 ignorance. These are deliberate acts. Few days ago, He published photo of Namo in HIndu attire meditating. Not to forget the various troubles they are fermenting in India with their 0.5 front. Agitation in MH to Dussehra festivals being targeted.

[uddu]

https://x.com/ramana_brf/status/1962629132271161532
@ramana_brf
Look at the overall flows. It's dead even. Trump gives a partial picture.

This data should also go viral

[KL Dubey]

There is 0 ignorance. These are deliberate acts. Few days ago, He published photo of Namo in HIndu attire meditating. Not to forget the various troubles they are fermenting in India with their 0.5 front. Agitation in MH to Dussehra festivals being targeted.

If these were calculated to rile up Indians, its working. I suggested to not get fixated on this here. A look at X posts shows literally hundreds of anti Hindu slurs day in and day out. We should take note but not get riled up at every turn. Ron Vara's days as advisor are numbered. Let him and his boss wallow (literally) in their own excrement.

[uddu]

The objective is not to rile up Indians. Create division within Indian society and give ammunition to the opposition. Indians gave it back to Peter with wits literally in Social media and forcing his deputies in India to come and defend Uncle Sam.
https://x.com/RohitInExile/status/1962371925772206355
@RohitInExile
As a Brahmin, I can confirm this works. I just whisper 'Bhiksham Dehi' at the petrol pump and they not only fill my tank for free but also polish my car's windshield.
There are so many such comments. I will just list the links to them.
https://x.com/BattaKashmiri/status/1962474183570682139
https://x.com/KiranKS/status/1962476427485561278
https://x.com/wittybinod/status/1962467123500023974
https://x.com/ragiiing_bull/status/1962765118594510909
https://x.com/protosphinx/status/1962397759019036698
https://x.com/satoverma/status/1962357835544830380
https://x.com/VarierSangitha/status/1962474857498866028
https://x.com/BattaKashmiri/status/1962564010609713357
https://x.com/sriranga92/status/1962398949836476834
https://x.com/BrahminSpeaks01/status/19 ... 1642910155
https://x.com/Neurochauhan/status/1962395130956337168

https://x.com/total_woke_/status/1962473344776696123
@total_woke_
Peter Navarro : Attacks Brahmins

Karnataka : Chamunda is not Hindu

Tamilnadu : Eradicate Sanatan

Telangana : Attack Marwadis

Maharashtra : Jarange attacks Mumbai

Manipur : Fresh efforts at violence

None of these events are connected!

[Manish_P]

... A look at X posts shows literally hundreds of anti Hindu slurs day in and day out. We should take note but not get riled up at every turn....

Take note for what?

[KL Dubey]

The objective is not to rile up Indians. Create division within Indian society and give ammunition to the opposition. Indians gave it back to Peter with wits literally in Social media and forcing his deputies in India to come and defend Uncle Sam.

.....

None of these events are connected!

Excellent summary.

[ricky_v]

https://www.semafor.com/article/08/28/2 ... k-to-india

“I have known Sergio Gor for many years from his time in the US Senate, and now working with him daily in the White House. I am confident he will make an exceptional Ambassador,” Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement.

David Warrington, White House counsel, confirmed to Semafor that “Mr. Gor is fully compliant with all applicable ethical and legal obligations,” adding: “His SF-86 form has been completed, and his security clearance is active; any insinuation otherwise would be completely false.”

And whatever Gor’s missing in the realm of formal foreign relations chops, he appears to make up for in a crucial ambassadorial attribute, clout with the president — not to mention the Republican senators who will run his confirmation.


India is excited at the idea of garnering an ambassador with a direct line to Trump, according to a person familiar with the nation’s political ecosystem. This person said Gor’s position inside the administration is seen as bringing “a set of relationships into play” in the administration, starting with Trump.

“The president is supremely most important, so anybody who is in his innermost circle, has walk-in privileges, can access him anytime, naturally, would make him a special person in that respect on the Indian side,” the person said, suggesting that Gor gives India the opportunity to “progress to the next level” in a relationship with the US that’s been “quite stretched out in terms of its variables, in terms of the areas of cooperation.”

Multiple people interviewed about Gor said that he’s long wanted a role like the ambassadorship to India, and that his move comes after he’s handled a huge hiring burden for the administration.

any guesses as to why? we have started exporting our street food to the us long back iirc, he can always stuff his face like the other usual run-off-the-mill diplomats, with eateries back home if he wishes, why travel all the way over here?

Even so, the traditional experience factor still worries some people tracking his confirmation — as does the fact that Gor has also been tapped as special envoy in the region, a portfolio that will mirror the countries included in the State Department’s bureau.

Jawed Ashraf, who previously served as Indian ambassador to France and High Commissioner of India to Singapore, told Semafor it’s an “unusual” arrangement that “is also a source of concern.”

“Much will depend on whether the goals of the two governments are aligned, what his instructions are, how he defines his mission and how open, patient and sensitive he is in understanding India,” Ashraf said. “If his mission is more on his Special Envoy role and less on the deepening of India-US ties, then he will probably not be as successful as some of his predecessors have been.”

separate special envoy title that “implies that he would focus attention on trying to mediate India-Pakistan issues.”

For the time being, as Semafor has reported, Gor will stay in his personnel role and work alongside Dan Scavino, the White House deputy chief of staff picked to replace him. It’s not clear when Gor might start assuming the duties of the second post Trump gave him, the non-confirmed role of special envoy for south and central Asia.

And his confirmation timeline remains unclear: The person close to the situation suggested Gor may not come before the committee until spring 2026 — a timeline that matches up with the lengthy wait for confirmation that many ambassadorial picks are seeing.

[gakakkad]

I think the yanks have been thoroughly outmanoeuvred here .

Unfortunately India doesn't yet have a psy ops division to be able to exploit Yankee fault lines . That shouldn't be difficult at all . Former deep state insiders like Jake Sullivan are openly talking about trump pakee crypto link . I think we (volunteers on social media or Indian deep state if they are reading this ) should focus on an insidious social media campaign within the US . There are many fault lines . Farmers are pissed . So are small businesses that are affected by tarriffs . A farmer in deep rural Missouri told his Republican senator to get his head out of Trump's mush and come back to reality. Just as they are doing baniya brahmin , we should give it back to them .

[Amber G.]

There is 0 ignorance. These are deliberate acts. Few days ago, He published photo of Namo in HIndu attire meditating. Not to forget the various troubles they are fermenting in India with their 0.5 front. Agitation in MH to Dussehra festivals being targeted.

If these were calculated to rile up Indians, its working. I suggested to not get fixated on this here. A look at X posts shows literally hundreds of anti Hindu slurs day in and day out. We should take note but not get riled up at every turn. Ron Vara's days as advisor are numbered. Let him and his boss wallow (literally) in their own excrement.

Meanwhile: Some reactions from US: eg From Governor of California.. (showing a clip of Modi/Putin/Xi at SCO.. laughing and talking to each other with the caption..

..But have no fear, Trump is sending the Guard to Chicago.

[sanjaykumar]

^^What is the point? The US is like India. Chaotic argumentative with an unforgiving political life.

I have not seen such loathing for any US administration as currently.


What do Indians hope to add?

[gakakkad]

^ add chaos like they try to to ours . Do unto others as they do to u bla bla

[KL Dubey]

... A look at X posts shows literally hundreds of anti Hindu slurs day in and day out. We should take note but not get riled up at every turn....

Take note for what?

For what it is worth.

[Amber G.]

Things become interesting when a scientist (Fellow of Royal Society, well known both in US and India) who generally do not get in politics..shares a picture in his social Media.

>>Ignorant Peter Navarro made America such a big joke yesterday.. media is filled with memes mocking Trump's team...


Another Indian-American billionaire tweets:

I did not vote for Trump but this is only about his ego and wanting Modi to nominate him for the Nobel Peace prize (which Pakistan has). If he ever wins the Nobel, I will stop caring about who wins the Nobel. It will be desecrated, dirtbag medal!

While another writes an Op-ed in NYT:
Trump has dismantled, almost overnight, Modi’s meticulously crafted image as a globally venerated statesman—something the Indian political opposition has been unable to do for 11 years"
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/31/opin ... india.html

(Note: I think, Like most content from the NYT, this article too does no do justice to the complete truth..but it is good to notice that some waking up is happening)

[Manish_P]

Take note for what?

For what it is worth.

Oh, that. That is done and repayment. Is going on.

[A_Gupta]

... A look at X posts shows literally hundreds of anti Hindu slurs day in and day out. We should take note but not get riled up at every turn....

Take note for what?

To make devastating replies with unfailing grace and good humor .

[Manish_P]

Take note for what?

To make devastating replies with unfailing grace and good humor .

Going on at all levels... Aam janata with X to asaadhaaran Sarkaar with Xi

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile, this is from one of the influential American person:

What if an Indian trade negotiator said:

“I want Americans to understand what is going on. Jews are profiteering by buying Russian oil at the expense of the American people.”

That’s how Indians heard this @RealPNavarro—as a slur.

Same dangerous, conspiratorial, stereotypical, false villainization of a people.

[chetak]

There is 0 ignorance. These are deliberate acts. Few days ago, He published photo of Namo in HIndu attire meditating. Not to forget the various troubles they are fermenting in India with their 0.5 front. Agitation in MH to Dussehra festivals being targeted.

uddu saar,

dusshera is a side show. It is being used to divert attention from this major anti Hindu BIF effort (see video)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJc9FQf4ElQ


Dharmasthala Conspiracy Funded By International Players? Temple Trust Head Decodes The Real Story





the guy behind the scene in the Dharmasthala conspiracy, is an ex IAS dravidian babooze and a congi MP from TN, who has now got himself admitted in a chennai hospital, to escape arrest. There is panic in the dravidian ranks, starting with the ruling parteeeee

Since foreign money is involved, the KAR govt is refusing to hand over the case to the NIA, very much fearing what will be unearthed


there is are serious regime change plays in progress.

multiple simultaneous efforts means that the BIF is getting quite desperate ..........................

dhankar and a big business man with friends in the north (name may be already out) were running a variation of this game and dhankar and pals were trying to rope in two CMs supporting the govt, before khujliwal spilled the beans, and in return, asking for leniency in his cases

The entire vote chori game is another sideshow in play and navaro's "brahmins are profiting" shows that the BIF is getting desperate.

the amrikis are surely behind this, and they tried to break Modi ji's (and also India's) economic back by using tariffs under the excuse of russki oil but Modi ji's moves proved too quick for them

Modi ji held both his tongue and his nerve, leaving the amrikis flat footed and confused. Not taking trump's 4 phone calls was a masterpiece in 3D chess.

with the world watching, the amrikis turned abusive, and that worsened their already weak game by showing the world the true face of a bully

trump is still insisting that EU sanction India for the russki oil, but the euro trash have balked, what with france , germany and the britshits in serious financial trouble, and and almost all of the EU under active recession, or many who may be going under very soon

[gakakkad]

Meanwhile, this is from one of the influential American person:

What if an Indian trade negotiator said:

“I want Americans to understand what is going on. Jews are profiteering by buying Russian oil at the expense of the American people.”

That’s how Indians heard this @RealPNavarro—as a slur.

Same dangerous, conspiratorial, stereotypical, false villainization of a people.

While that is a fair analogy a lot of MAGA actually believe in all the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory . They same ilk also peddle racist Bs against hindus . Like mtg , Fuentes ,posobiec , cernovich etc

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile:
Goyal says India-US trade deal likely by 'November or so', blames 'little bit of geopolitical issues' for delay

..Piyush Goyal on September 2 expressed confidence that a bilateral trade deal between India and the US could be concluded by fall or November this year.

Goyal said trade talks between the two countries were overshadowed by a "little bit" of geopolitical issues but they will be back on track soon..

"I do hope that things will get back on track soon and we will conclude a bilateral trade agreement by the fall, November or so, as was discussed by our two leaders in February,"
.....t the world is excited to expand trade and business ties with New Delhi.

[williams]

All this is noise. Trump admin does not understand strategic autonomy since most of the other powers simply obliged with Trump on any foolish thing he demanded. Strategic autonomy has a price to pay in a world where many countries settle down as a vassal state for big powers. GoI is handling this in a very professional and formal way. Slowly good sense will prevail in the US Admin, once they understand India is not going to budge because of their childish tantrums.

Also this whole issue is actually making Modi sarkar more popular among the masses so if somebody is dreaming about regime change or some nonsense scheme to divide India, it is not going to happen. Pappu Raga gang is actually hurting their popularity by making stupid statements that goes against our national interest. We can easily diversify our markets, help the hurting businesses and manage the loses. It will make our businesses more resilient and shock proof. When the dust settles all of this build up momentum will only push us further up in comprehensive national power. We just need to be more diligent to manage the change in world order and make sure we don't keep accelerating our reforms. The rest will fall in place in time.

[KL Dubey]

Also this whole issue is actually making Modi sarkar more popular among the masses so if somebody is dreaming about regime change or some nonsense scheme to divide India, it is not going to happen.

Oh yeah! Modi is definitely showing the world how to handle these tantrums, and this is getting a lot of goodwill both in the "global south" and the "west". Even the video titled "India gives fatal blow" made by Mayadas (MTN) seems to have gone "viral" of sorts. He has 5+ million leftist/liberal subscribers, many of them got some education and respect for Modi sarkar. More than one american has asked me about how "your leader is sticking it to our crazy guy". Mayadas doesn't know much about Bharat, but he thinks Palki Sharma is fantastic and seems to rely on Firstpost news/opinion a lot.

[Prem Kumar]

dhankar and a big business man with friends in the north (name may be already out) were running a variation of this game and dhankar and pals were trying to rope in two CMs supporting the govt, before khujliwal spilled the beans, and in return, asking for leniency in his cases

Chetak Ji: totally at sea, trying to understand this part. Please elaborate

[KL Dubey]

dhankar and a big business man with friends in the north (name may be already out) were running a variation of this game and dhankar and pals were trying to rope in two CMs supporting the govt, before khujliwal spilled the beans, and in return, asking for leniency in his cases

Chetak Ji: totally at sea, trying to understand this part. Please elaborate

Watch Pradeep Singh.

[chetak]

Also this whole issue is actually making Modi sarkar more popular among the masses so if somebody is dreaming about regime change or some nonsense scheme to divide India, it is not going to happen.

Oh yeah! Modi is definitely showing the world how to handle these tantrums, and this is getting a lot of goodwill both in the "global south" and the "west". Even the video titled "India gives fatal blow" made by Mayadas (MTN) seems to have gone "viral" of sorts. He has 5+ million leftist/liberal subscribers, many of them got some education and respect for Modi sarkar. More than one american has asked me about how "your leader is sticking it to our crazy guy". Mayadas doesn't know much about Bharat, but he thinks Palki Sharma is fantastic and seems to rely on Firstpost news/opinion a lot.

KL Dubey ji,

regime change in India, especially in the way it has been done in the arab spring countries or in other dirtbag countries like beediland or pukestan, is near impossible here, because the opinions are very different in the east, west, north and the south. But when it comes to supreme national interests, they all march to the same tune, with very few irrelevant exceptions who may differ (while getting beaten up)

The Forces will step in if they see matters getting out of hand and colors of gaddari being hoisted on the flag pole

just like it did when mamamia mafioso and her paki born poodle (his daughter has been working for the soreass gang for decades now and may have already been doing so when they tried to make the siachen transfer), when they tried to "hand over" sicahen to the pakis, under the guise of making it a "mountain of peace" and all the while, deliberately and purposely keeping the Indian public, parliament and all political parties (with the sole exception of the woke commies) in utter darkness.

we have had soreass at the very heart of the Indian govt when no one had even heard of these schitts. The RTE and the communal violence bill was the malevolent detritus of this woke commie attempts to subjugate the Sanatanis

and it was the irony of ironies when the paki army, with humongous frustration, openly accused the IA of interfering in political matters and objected vehemently to the role the IA played in the eyetaaaliaan cockblock.

Guess who was the dominant shadowy force behind this "private" enterprise and their traitorous abrahamic backers in India, it was our "eternal well wishers" the amrikis who are still playing the same old game.


BTW, who is this Mayadas (MTN), is there a link to his fulminations

[chetak]

Chetak Ji: totally at sea, trying to understand this part. Please elaborate

Watch Pradeep Singh.

and many others too

[uddu]

https://x.com/TheNavroopSingh/status/19 ... 3708907793
@TheNavroopSingh
Saudi Wahabi Oil Lobby & Trump Administration

The Reliance–Aramco deal unable to go through was never just about mismatched valuations or any disagreements but it was about a larger shift in the balance of power in global energy markets and I see it as a turning point where India’s energy strategy collided with Saudi Arabia’s traditional dominance.

Reliance’s pivot toward Russian crude, combined with its green energy ambitions, broke the alignment that the Saudis had hoped would cement their grip over India’s refining future.

What Reliance did was simple but yet hurt Aramco: from 2022 onwards it aggressively bought discounted Russian Urals, securing barrels that were $6–$12 cheaper than Middle Eastern supplies, and ran them through the world’s largest refining complex at Jamnagar. The economics were unbeatable.

By 2025, Russian crude made up 36–50% of Reliance’s intake, compared to just 3–10% before 2022, and in the first half of 2025 alone Reliance exported over 21 million tonnes of refined fuels to Europe. These were volumes that Aramco once supplied, and as Indian cargoes docked in Europe, Saudi diesel was displaced. The Saudis lost contracts, lost market share.

This angered Riyadh, because for them this isn’t just about barrels it’s about prestige and power. India, once considered a steady customer, is now being accused of destabilizing crude markets. The timing made it worse: just as Saudi Arabia has been trying to recalibrate its ties with Washington, it finds that Indian refiners are undercutting it in Europe with Russian Oil.

The anger translates into geopolitics, because Riyadh’s deep ties with Washington’s power brokers give it leverage. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has already promised the U.S. a trillion dollars in investments, and Aramco and the Saudi Public Investment Fund (PIF), led by Yasir Al-Rumayyan, have placed $2 billion in Jared Kushner’s private equity fund in 2021, buying influence at the very top of Trump’s orbit.

The Wahhabi oil lobby knows how to work the levers of Washington, and the pressure campaign against India’s Russian crude play is being dressed up as strategic necessity for both Aramco’s recovery and America’s desire to protect the dollar system.

Pakistan, predictably, is being recycled as a proxy in this pressure game. In 2023, the Saudis injected $2 billion into Pakistan’s central bank, enabling Islamabad to unlock an IMF bailout, and promised further investments in projects like the Reko Diq mine.

Pakistan’s noise about India’s refining of Russian crude, particularly attempts to demonize the Jamnagar refinery, isn’t organic. The idea is to squeeze India indirectly, making life uncomfortable for Indian Refiners & to signal that India’s growing dominance in refined exports won’t go unchallenged.

The Americans add another layer of irritation. It isn’t just about crude discounts it’s about the fact that a large part of India’s trade with Russia bypasses the dollar. Settlements in rupees, dirhams, or even yuan are chipping away at dollar hegemony.

For Washington, this is the unforgivable sin, and Trump, who is already annoyed by India’s sovereign trade postures, sees this as part of that defiance.

Still, I believe the ability of the U.S. or the Saudis to act directly against Reliance is limited. Jamnagar isn’t just India’s refinery; it is a critical node in global energy security, with BP and other stakeholders entangled in its ecosystem.

Europe, which depends heavily on Indian refined fuels after cutting Russian supplies, should resist any sanctions that undermine its energy balance. Though Trump is making efforts on Europe to stop buying Russian Oil. This is the GCC oil lobby speaking along with Big Oil & Shale in USA who seek to dominate European energy markets.

This makes outright punitive action unlikely, though whispers, targeted propaganda, and pressure campaigns will continue. The larger picture is that India is no longer bending to American bullying.

[uddu]

https://x.com/harshmadhusudan/status/19 ... 3249338838
@harshmadhusudan
Laura as a fellow Dartmouth alumnus and proud Indian (very much in India), let me say we are happy if you cut down on visas as you deem fit in US interest. We are also okay if you don’t want a trade deal. Also what we do with US Big Tech is our prerogative. Maybe it is a win-win.

https://x.com/IngrahamAngle/status/1962571421009182791
@IngrahamAngle
Don’t forget that any trade deal with India will require us to give them more visas. I’d rather not pay them in visas and trade deficits. Let Modi see what terms he can get from Xi instead.