Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

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ramana wrote: 30 Aug 2025 06:26 Knowing the Indian capabilities revealed in Operation Sindoor, what can Pakistan do to protect itself from those capabilities?
For instance, evacuate their planes beyond the Indus to be safe from the IAF.
Build more runways in airbases.
Convert highway stretches to air strips. Have new trailer-based ammo and fuel stations on highways
What else?
If I were them, I would settle in for a Hezbollah style long war. Acquire thousands of cheap but lethal/destructive drones & ballistic missiles. Train thousands of 2-3 man teams to transport, assemble, fire, disassemble, move on. Have them operate throughout border areas in Punjab & Sindh in a semi-autonomous manner, melting into own civilian population between missions. Have them fire dozens to hundreds of drones/rockets/BMs per day, every day, into civilian targets in India (villages, temple towns, tier 2/3 cities, farmlands) continuously for months & years on end. When possible combine with ordering BAT style armed teams, aided by local M guides & support, to cross and commit massacres & other atrocities (remember Nuh episode in Rajasthan).

The idea is

1) to saturate and exhaust India's defence grid on the super-cheap, so that major strikes cannot be seen coming among the continuous surge of relatively minor attacks.
2) to eat away at economic activity and political support for BJP state/national government by keeping the entire population of all Indian border states, upto 200-300 km inside the border, in a state of perpetual and long term insecurity.
3) to ensure that any Indian retaliation (like Israeli retaliation today) can be portrayed, in the increasingly powerful information war domain, as aggression against civilians, human rights violations etc (with all of the multi-domain repercussions this can be exploited to yield, both among M communities in India and in various countries worldwide where they have strong lobbying & propaganda networks).
4) If possible, to draw Indian ground forces into Pakistani urban/exurban areas for an asymmetric conflict such as IDF fought against Hezbollah in 2007— it's MUCH easier to set the terms of success & claim victory in this sort of conflict than a conventional war given the imbalance that Op Sindoor clearly revealed.


They have learned that they (not just the jihadi tanzeems, but the "conventional" armed forces of Pakistan) are completely overmatched in a traditional contest with India and cannot hope for anything more than to be crushed, even in a contained & limited conventional war. Their best option is to lean fully into the asymmetric conflict — not just as an extra means of destabilizing & tying down Indian security forces through Jihadi terrorism (the 1990—2014 model) but as a core warfighting doctrine itself.
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Just my 2 paisa analysis of recent events:

With this op success, we simply evolved into a new tier. We are in new waters. Within Indian subcontinent region, we literally became the de facto big daddy.
Can any one challenge us in Indian subcontinent region?
Our geography is gods' gift. It's literal fortress. It's always been. That's why they propped up Pakis as counter to India all these decades.

With this new reality setting in, every global power became very cautious. Most of the old expertise no longer useful. As usual we may not do any proactive actions. But Mudiji might try to leverage this new position to expand our gdp to 5-10 trillion $ bracket among other things.

Recent SCO show set the new actions in motion. Mudiji will broker the peace b/w Russia and Ukraine on Russian by extension China terms.

In this context, I made few observations on China. (missing chola posts :(( )

China is going for G2 setting. Not the G2 we discuss here. I am talking about Authoritarian block with china as leader and democratic block with India as leader. It's not about replacing US with India. It's about kicking the west(racist white) in the face. They are scripting a big insult to white west.

I didn't explore this path much as it is new thing for me too. Democracies are failing all over the world. Who really want to lord over something chaotic and loss making venture like that? China if it is really that 5d chess guy as we claim, must have thought of it too. They would stay far away from that mess and exploit any chances if they get. Mostly on transactional basis.

West will over-react in near future to India's new position. I see Trumps tariffs in this new light. I still believe he is not that evil and mastermind guy. He is just stupid old white guy who prioritizes his own greedy agenda. He thinks he is the main character in the story. When Mudiji scored big, he wanted Mudiji to become his sidekick. So that he can prance on the global stage like peacock. That's why he was so desperate in recent weeks. He wanted to showcase everyone that all his friends listen to him and everything happening around the world is result of his master genius plans and actions. :((

If I am writing our new Bharath success story, it will be -
chapter 1: Op Sindoor
chapter 2: Russian-Ukrain ceasefire.

btw, if west tries any civil unrest in India and meddle in our elections, it will be final defeat of democratic systems in our world. We are the only functional democratic country in the world right now. If Mudiji gets dethroned, it will be death of democratic systems. :D

So many new things we gonna witness in coming months.
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Rudradev wrote: 03 Sep 2025 10:47 They have learned that they (not just the jihadi tanzeems, but the "conventional" armed forces of Pakistan) are completely overmatched in a traditional contest with India and cannot hope for anything more than to be crushed, even in a contained & limited conventional war. Their best option is to lean fully into the asymmetric conflict — not just as an extra means of destabilizing & tying down Indian security forces through Jihadi terrorism (the 1990—2014 model) but as a core warfighting doctrine itself.
Your logic is absolutely correct. However, thankfully, their capabilities of self delusion leads them to believe that somehow they have triumphed against India, so they will continue down the conventional path. After all, they need to continue to impress their own junta so that nobody objects to all the funds being allocated to the military, and that happens by buying lots of shiny toys which can be displayed in parades. The other issue is that China won't profit if they adopt a low intensive war doctrine. Finally, given that country's state, a lot (if not most) of the weapons they provide for this kind of warfare will end up being used within their own borders...
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Pics: Pak Rebuilds Nur Khan Base Section Destroyed By India During Op Sindoor
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pics-pa ... ce-9214904
04 Sept 2025
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Wonder where the baksheesh for that is coming.
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gakakkad wrote: 04 Sep 2025 22:23 Wonder where the baksheesh for that is coming.
Likely from Unkil via Trump's crypto deal with Pak. And that will be just the tip of the iceberg.

Get ready for F-16 Block 70/72 with AIM-120C7/C8 AMRAAMs for the Pakistan Air Force.
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syam wrote: 03 Sep 2025 12:39 Just my 2 paisa analysis of recent events:

With this op success, we simply evolved into a new tier. We are in new waters. Within Indian subcontinent region, we literally became the de facto big daddy.
Can any one challenge us in Indian subcontinent region?
Our geography is gods' gift. It's literal fortress. It's always been. That's why they propped up Pakis as counter to India all these decades.

With this new reality setting in, every global power became very cautious. Most of the old expertise no longer useful. As usual we may not do any proactive actions. But Mudiji might try to leverage this new position to expand our gdp to 5-10 trillion $ bracket among other things.

Recent SCO show set the new actions in motion. Mudiji will broker the peace b/w Russia and Ukraine on Russian by extension China terms.

In this context, I made few observations on China. (missing chola posts :(( )

China is going for G2 setting. Not the G2 we discuss here. I am talking about Authoritarian block with china as leader and democratic block with India as leader. It's not about replacing US with India. It's about kicking the west(racist white) in the face. They are scripting a big insult to white west.

I didn't explore this path much as it is new thing for me too. Democracies are failing all over the world. Who really want to lord over something chaotic and loss making venture like that? China if it is really that 5d chess guy as we claim, must have thought of it too. They would stay far away from that mess and exploit any chances if they get. Mostly on transactional basis.

West will over-react in near future to India's new position. I see Trumps tariffs in this new light. I still believe he is not that evil and mastermind guy. He is just stupid old white guy who prioritizes his own greedy agenda. He thinks he is the main character in the story. When Mudiji scored big, he wanted Mudiji to become his sidekick. So that he can prance on the global stage like peacock. That's why he was so desperate in recent weeks. He wanted to showcase everyone that all his friends listen to him and everything happening around the world is result of his master genius plans and actions. :((

If I am writing our new Bharath success story, it will be -
chapter 1: Op Sindoor
chapter 2: Russian-Ukrain ceasefire.

btw, if west tries any civil unrest in India and meddle in our elections, it will be final defeat of democratic systems in our world. We are the only functional democratic country in the world right now. If Mudiji gets dethroned, it will be death of democratic systems. :D

So many new things we gonna witness in coming months.
Bang on analysis of Trump and his cronies. Modi Sarkar is approach is the best way to deal with a senile old racist group in the west.

Bharat needs to continue to build up her Naval capabilities at war footing. That will keep us in the new power grouping however it evolves in a decade. G2 is an idea, but we need to be very cautious with the Dragon.
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Lt Gen KJS Dhillon has a new book named 'Operation Sindoor- The Untold Story of India's Deep Strikes inside Pakistan' is out.
Right now it is available only in India.

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https://x.com/OfficialCLAWSIN/status/19 ... 5698030854
On X.com:

Centre for Land Warfare Studies (CLAWS)
@OfficialCLAWSIN
A proud moment for #CLAWS
@OfficialCLAWSIN
as #COAS unveiled “OP SINDOOR: Before & Beyond”, with #VCOAS & #ArmyCommanders present. Dedicated to our Bravehearts of #PahalgamAttack. May #Bharat bless #IA in their mission
@adgpi
.

We respectfully seek the blessings of the people of #Bharatfor #IA and CLAWS on the success of this book, dedicated as a solemn tribute to the Heroes and Bravehearts of the #PahalgamAttack.

The #IndianArmedForces remain steadfast in their vigilance, ever committed to safeguarding the nation and responding resolutely to any act of aggression by our adversaries.
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williams wrote: 04 Sep 2025 22:35 Bang on analysis of Trump and his cronies. Modi Sarkar is approach is the best way to deal with a senile old racist group in the west.
Just now I saw another Lutick foot in the mouth comments about Indo-US relations. Seriously, we need to up our game. We need to go full racist on these MAGAtards. :x
It should be 80% personal abuses and insert actual arguments in that remaining 20%.
Bharat needs to continue to build up her Naval capabilities at war footing. That will keep us in the new power grouping however it evolves in a decade. G2 is an idea, but we need to be very cautious with the Dragon.
We will never be friends with China as long as CCP rules it. Better prepare for worst case scenario. I even see US and China teaming up and launching big war on us.
We didn't scheme any thing which led us to our present situation. We are pushed into it. We need to be careful.
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Meanwhile, Pakistan has started repairs at Nur Khan Air base and a USAF C17 from Qatar has landed at Nur Khan Airbase? Is this just coincidence or something else at play?
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Book to look for
Operation Sindoor: The Untold Stories of India’s Deep Strikes Inside Pakistan, by retired Lt. Gen. K.J.S. Dhillon
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FYI Sgt Bhale Singh mentioned they hit the AWACS ln night of 9/10 as it took off from Peshawar.

At around 3:20 am local time, a twitter search shows reports of explosion and fireball in skies of Mohmand /KPK (north of Peshawar)

https://x.com/najeeb_mohmand_/status/19 ... 3392730241

https://x.com/Ahmadshehzad92/status/1920967750685430095

KPK area was under blackout subsequently: https://x.com/SKMuhammad1/status/1921249692450447806

Twitter search will show reports of massive AD activity over Peshawar for the next two hours, multiple reports of "drone" shot down at Hayatabad (just south of Peshawar airport). No subsequent debris was ever shown

https://x.com/hamzaameer74/status/1920981991882715511

Cognitive dissonance means there is no further public discussion on what was being firer upon on May 10 in Peshawar, or what sort of Indian drone can reach KPK

Note, Peshawar is 314 km from both Srinagar and Avantipora
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Was this video from IA posted?
NDTV Defence Summit 2025 | एनडीटीवी रक्षा शिखर सम्मेलन 2025 | INDIAN ARMY | भारतीय सेना

NDTV Defence Summit 2025 - Warfare in the 21st Century - 30 Aug 2025

Indian Army: From Restraint to Response

Indian Army’s meticulous planning, precise strikes on terror launchpads and befitting reply to Pakistan's misadventure thereafter using a mix of niche technology and human grit were critical to the success of Operation Sindoor. The elimination of the terrorists responsible for Pahalgam massacre thereafter highlights the sustained operations in relentless pursuit of peace.
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Obvious to many in this thread:
Connect the dots:

• Operation Sindoor crippled Pakistan.
• Trump hijacked the ceasefire story, calling it his trade deal.
• Munir dines at the White House, offers Trump Nobel chatter.
• Mysterious C-17 flights in & out of Rahim Yar Khan.
• Trump’s failed push to parade Modi & Munir together in Washington.

For many (in public - many ) a theatre.. but in reality it was a shameless and dangerous collusion.

Trump’s frustration began.:-
-No grand photo-op, exposed by India’s hard power) Trump turned bitter...started making silly laughable claims (which his fans believe):

- Accusing India of funding Russia’s Ukraine war.
- Claiming India buys “hundreds of billions” worth of Russian crude oil.
All Lies!

Along with Pakistan, India exposed America during Operation Sindoor. India showed Pakistan’s nuclear bluff was hollow...And Trump... showing his true nature chose to side with Pakistan.
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Paki Dumb minister Asif reportedly said because of spirit of martyrdom Paki is invincible. Obviously he never heard of Gen Patton (you don't win wars by dying for your country ...)
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saip wrote: 06 Sep 2025 21:53 Paki Dumb minister Asif reportedly said because of spirit of martyrdom Paki is invincible. Obviously he never heard of Gen Patton (you don't win wars by dying for your country ...)
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_S. ... attributed
I want you to remember that no ******** ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb ******** die for his country.
Spoken by George C. Scott in the film Patton.
Variants:
  • "George Patton’s last words to us before we left Africa came home with meaning: 'No dumb ******** ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb ******** die for his country.'" [address by Patton before leaving Africa in 1943, cited in “War and Peace in the Space Age” by Lt. General James M. Gavin, 1958]
  • No man ever won a war by dying for his country. Wars were won by making the other poor ******** die for his.
  • You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other poor dumb ******** die for his.
  • War is not meant to be you dying for your country-it is by making the other ******** die for his.
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saip wrote: 06 Sep 2025 21:53 Paki Dumb minister Asif reportedly said because of spirit of martyrdom Paki is invincible. Obviously he never heard of Gen Patton (you don't win wars by dying for your country ...)
I ignored you and unignored you. Time to go back and ignore you sire. Namaskaaraalu (khudaa hafeez :wink: )
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Who knows they may all embrace Shahadat and Pakistan Kabristan ban jaya ga and to trouble our consinciense in true Gandhian fashion thier supporters and like minded people in the Indian subcontinent will follow suit.
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Translation from Pashto to English of what they say in the video:
Look at it, It hit from that spot to there, Hear it, Hear it, Look at it there. They hit it from something (I'd say he's talking about pak army hitting the drone/missile) hear the sounds it makes, look there look there
Let's see if its confirmed in time that this was indeed the AWACS hit (c. 3:15am local time. Note, the first social media posts pointing to Peshawar AD opening up are 3:23 am local time)
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AdityaG has listed on X about 90 targets were hit. Will link the post here.

LINK: https://x.com/Aditya_G_Social/status/19 ... 0201632152

Table posted there:

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Great work, AdityaG
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,^^^This is osint at it's best.
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Meanwhile: Congrats to BCCI for providing LeT with the requisite funds to rebuild its Muridke Headquarters. Thanks for this reporting this by Aditya Raj Kaul
"Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) rebuilding its Muridke headquarters, which was destroyed in airstrikes during Operation Sindoor."
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Was not going to follow but got this:
Another one sided contest comes to an end as India outclasses Pakistan by 7 wickets with 25 balls to spare...
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