Understanding the US - Again

[uddu]

Obviously. They are like the gossiping woman who tells stores about others. If you want information, you get it this way. No so called nonpartisan source exist or if anyone try to be neutral, it will be bland and with 0 information.

Only if you consider 'gossip' to be the same as 'information'.

Are you sure? It contains lot of information. How you view it, avoiding the jealousy and other human traits, you get what's happening. Here Gossip never means, some hearsay. But they dig out the social media of the person and publishes it. Both sides do it against each other. That's information.

[uddu]

Anyone here thinking, Charlie Kirk was made a martyr by a certain faction within MAGA ?

Conservative person is always a Martyr for believers.
Heartfelt Speech of Erika Kirk, the Widow of Charlie Kirk. But when it comes to ideology, they are clear who they are and what they are fighting for. Its Martyrdom for religious believes.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... e_cry.html
"And one of the final conversations that he had on this earth, my husband witnessed for his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Now and for all eternity, he will stand at his Savior's side, wearing the glorious crown of a martyr."

Huge fight including physical fights is happening between the believers of both ideologies
Crowd BRUTALLY BEATS man who dared to yell “F* CHARLIE KIRK” after his murder
Shocking footage shows a crowd brutally attacking a man who dared to yell “F*** Charlie Kirk” following the tragic assassination of the conservative activist

[Rudradev]

Only if you consider 'gossip' to be the same as 'information'.

Are you sure? It contains lot of information. How you view it, avoiding the jealousy and other human traits, you get what's happening. Here Gossip never means, some hearsay. But they dig out the social media of the person and publishes it. Both sides do it against each other. That's information.

If someone is on the side of A but wants to create the impression that they are actually on the side of B, then it is no big deal for them to post social media themes associated with side B while acting on behalf of side A. That's a key aspect of how false flags work.

Partisan commentators working on behalf of side A will selectively amplify those social media posts to distract the public conversation from exploring what is really going on. That's why their information is unreliable.

[gakakkad]

Anyone here thinking, Charlie Kirk was made a martyr by a certain faction within MAGA ?

That's probably what has happened . The shooter turned out to be a groyper. They are rival far far right wing folks who don't think Kirk is crazy enough and not anti semitic enough. Look up Nick Fuentes .

This is analogous to isis-k vs al Qaeda vs Hezbollah .

[uddu]

Are you sure? It contains lot of information. How you view it, avoiding the jealousy and other human traits, you get what's happening. Here Gossip never means, some hearsay. But they dig out the social media of the person and publishes it. Both sides do it against each other. That's information.

If someone is on the side of A but wants to create the impression that they are actually on the side of B, then it is no big deal for them to post social media themes associated with side B while acting on behalf of side A. That's a key aspect of how false flags work.

Partisan commentators working on behalf of side A will selectively amplify those social media posts to distract the public conversation from exploring what is really going on. That's why their information is unreliable.

That is possible. But the other side must have dug out his association with Republicans by now. Not yet happened. If it comes out, we can analyze both and come to a conclusion.

[A_Gupta]

Wiki is fully loony left, especially anything related to ideological space is fully occupied by them. They don't have much manpower to monitor every page, but those pages with interest will be heavily edited with leftist narratives. It cannot be used as a source. Any such links to articles can be posted directly here. Even that mostly will be leftist channels.

In general, yes. AFAIK, this is factual. Wiki is just a convenient summary. Most detailed articles will be behind paywalls.

But:
Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com/groyper-charli ... es-2129114

2019 journal article:
https://research.tilburguniversity.edu/ ... a-trolling

Abstract
Since mid-October, Charlie Kirk’s Culture War college tour has been increasingly haunted by the Groyper and nicker Groyper Q&A trolls. These offline trolls use the Q&A-sessions that are part of the Culture War show format to frame Charlie Kirk as a fake, 'anti-white' conservative. A new chapter in the alt-right's cultural war re-emerges in full force.

Jewish AntiDefamation League (2020)
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... rica-first

[uddu]

Correct term should be arms of the Deep state.
Larry Sanger, founder of Wikipedia, talks to OpIndia
Larry Sanger, the founder of Wikipedia, talks to OpIndia about the Left bias of Wikipedia, how it all started, Jimmy Wales, his unwillingness to rectify things, the future of the Encyclosphere are more.


Wikipedia’s War on India: A Detailed Dossier | Nupur J Sharma
The 2020 Delhi riots have sparked controversy regarding how they are portrayed on platforms like Wikipedia. The platform fails to mention Tahir Hussain and his anti-Hindu crimes, instead framing the events as an anti-Muslim pogrom while accusing others, like Kapil Mishra, of Instigating. When questioned about these omissions, Wikipedia editors reportedly stonewalled inquiries, and co-founder Jimmy Wales bypassed requests for clarification. Similar criticisms arise regarding the Godhra train burning case, where Wikipedia undermines even court findings. Larry Sanger, another co-founder, has claimed that Wikipedia is no longer an independent or unbiased source, suggesting it has been influenced by leftist editors and administrators.
Despite its portrayal of neutrality, Wikipedia's narrative favours only the leftist perspective. The platform's close ties with Google and organizations like the Tides Foundation raise concerns about potential biases in funding and narrative shaping. This funding network indirectly supports narratives such as the Afro-Dalit theory through NGOs in India, contributing to social unrest. Furthermore, sources that challenge this narrative are often dismissed or blacklisted, with even police reports and court verdicts labelled as unreliable. This situation accumulating as a new phase of digital colonization, where control over online information can shape global perceptions of complex issues.

[chetak]

Wiki is fully loony left, especially anything related to ideological space is fully occupied by them.

Yes, they are.

But "Megyn Kelly" is hardly a reliable, nonpartisan source either.

By the way, the whole point of the Turner Diaries scenario IS to create false-flag impressions that the assassinations of white conservative figures are being carried out by blacks or left-wing extremists. Today, that would be accomplished by showing 'evidence' that the killer had 'antifascist', 'anti-racist' etc. posts on social media.

Very interesting that the guy was turned in by his father and has now 'lawyered up' refusing to say more. So turning himself in was obviously not a function of guilt or feeling the need to confess.

Rudradev ji,

India needs to be very wary and also watchful

This is a scenario that can easily be replicated in India. Even that puppet spoke from the ramparts of the red fort from behind a bullet proof glass shield

Our important leaders are still obsessed with actual physical contact with the masses, especially their supporters

A local rally can easily turn into a national disaster

the culinary institute specializes in this type of incidents for some of its regime change agendas

[chetak]

Anyone here thinking, Charlie Kirk was made a martyr by a certain faction within MAGA ?

Conservative person is always a Martyr for believers.
Huge fight including physical fights is happening between the believers of both ideologies
Crowd BRUTALLY BEATS man who dared to yell “F* CHARLIE KIRK” after his murder
Shocking footage shows a crowd brutally attacking a man who dared to yell “F*** Charlie Kirk” following the tragic assassination of the conservative activist
[youtube]RzAMyVN6hlA[youtube]

uddu ji,

Guess unrestrained "free speech" has real life consequences, as it damn well should

[uddu]

What 'inspired and INDOCTRINATED' Tyler Robinson?
Former FBI Assistant Director Chris Swecker joins 'Fox & Friends' to discuss law enforcement's handling of Tyler Robinson's arrest and questions whether Robinson acted alone.


How US caught Charlie Kirk’s killer: Tyler Robinson left clues on Discord, his friend gave access
https://www.firstpost.com/world/how-us- ... 33413.html
Discord chats revealed plans
Utah Governor Spencer Cox said Robinson’s online activity provided the crucial breakthrough.

Investigators gained access to his Discord chats through his roommate, which allegedly contained discussions about retrieving and concealing a rifle.

The conversations referred to hiding the weapon in bushes, wrapping it in a towel, monitoring the area, and even engraving bullets. Officers photographed the incriminating messages directly from the device.

[A_Gupta]

Via The New Yorker:

In November, 1885, the white residents of Tacoma, Washington Territory, drove out their Chinese neighbors. It took only hours. Armed with clubs and pistols, vigilantes went door to door, herding more than three hundred men, women, and children through the streets and out of town. As the forced march began, rain started to fall. Two of the expelled died of exposure; the rest made their way to Portland by foot or rail. Days later, arsonists returned to burn what was left of Chinatown. No one came back. For decades, anyone who tried was run out again. That history was the subject of my talk. It was why I had come to Tacoma.

[A_Gupta]

Fox News had reported:

WASHINGTON, Utah – The family of the suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination played an "almost unheard of" role in helping turn him in, an expert told Fox News Digital.

Police say 22-year-old Tyler Robinson was identified and reported to authorities with the help of his own family – a decision one expert described as extraordinary and profoundly difficult.

[gakakkad]

Fox News had reported:

WASHINGTON, Utah – The family of the suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination played an "almost unheard of" role in helping turn him in, an expert told Fox News Digital.

Police say 22-year-old Tyler Robinson was identified and reported to authorities with the help of his own family – a decision one expert described as extraordinary and profoundly difficult.

There is some psy ops ongoing here. Mormons are one of the most conservative folks and most religious. LDS dictates your life . Whom you marry ,when you ****** ,what you eat etc . Had the family not pretended to be cooperative they would have been excommunicated for sure . In their world that's like a death sentence. So once it became obvious that cops had enough to id the guy they probably thought it's best to save h§d by turning him in .

The state of Utah does have capital punishment but he ll likely not qualify for one as the circumstances it can be awarded per chat gpt.

So an attempt to spin this as bhatka hua college student who was brain washed by profs onlee .

They are already trying to downplay groyper links.

[A_Gupta]

The other way is possible too. There was some MAGA criticism of Kash Patel handling of FBI, so now FBI is the hero and family is an afterthought.

We are told: Tyler Robinson's family contacted authorities on the evening of September 11, 2025, and that is the first the FBI had his name.

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On September 12, 2025, conservative activist Christopher Rufo posted on X that it was "time for Republicans to assess whether Kash Patel is the right man to run the FBI". The comments followed FBI Director Patel's missteps in handling the investigation into the assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk.

Steve Bannon: after the killing of activist Charlie Kirk, Bannon used his podcast to criticize Patel, who was appointed FBI director in February 2025. Bannon questioned why Patel, a political appointee, was at a press conference regarding the arrest of Kirk's shooter. He also criticized the overall handling of the investigation by the FBI, calling the arrest of Kirk's shooter "not great law enforcement work".

Also see:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mag ... 26987.html

[gakakkad]

Epstein files have been a faultline among the wignats/ groyper /skinheads . They have been after Kash Patel /bongino for a while . obviously racism place a role as does xtian fundamentalism . Patel is bulletproof. He was trump loyalist even when Trump was screwed .

Their lal topi equivalent (Bannon ) has been particularly vocal along with Hispanic Hitler (Fuentes ) and the antisemite clan (cernovich , posobiec ) .

[A_Gupta]

There certainly are fault lines. Dunno if India can use them though.

[A_Gupta]

And of course, what are two children and a child shooter, buried in the news after Charlie Kirk, and the rush to blame “the radical Left”?

Evergreen High School shooter embraced Columbine, antisemitism and white supremacy online
https://coloradosun.com/2025/09/12/ever ... ial-media/

[gakakkad]

Best bet is to join forces with the Jews . Within us or internationally there are very few issues where our interests collide . All these qtiyas are outright antisemitic as well .

They don't even try to play the Zionist /Jew dichotomy card. They are unabashed anti semites . Charlie Kirk was an exception in this arena . He was pro Israel and supported by AIPAC .

Further adl and other Jewish organizations are openly supporting Indians . Much more so than Indian organizations. We really need to engage more with them and work our an agreement to cooperate where are interests converge . Unfortunately most desi organizations are twiddling thumb and doing nothing . Or our sucking Richards of one politician or other for personal gains like asha motwani jadega (piss be upon her ) .
Young abcd qtiyas are busy waving Palestine flag.

[A_Gupta]

Probably posting too much, but this is interesting:

HOURS AFTER CHARLIE KIRK’S ASSASSINATION at Utah Valley University on Wednesday, conservative personalities Michael Knowles and Benny Johnson both posted the same thing on social media: Kirk would have been president someday. Donald Trump, on Thursday morning, mused about it too.
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White nationalist podcaster Nick Fuentes picked frequent, typically one-sided, feuds with Kirk.

The main source of their disagreement centered on Kirk’s support for legal immigration. Kirk had once said that a green card should be given to every foreign student who receives a diploma from an American university. But after Fuentes whipped his “groyper” fanbase into a frenzy they dubbed the “Groyper War”—and after Fuentes supporters began crashing TPUSA events on college campuses—Kirk shifted far to the right. This year, Kirk called for a moratorium on even legal immigration from the “third world.”

The transition didn’t just underscore the degree to which nativism and restrictive views on immigration had become driving forces of Republican politics. It said something about Kirk, too. He cared more about maintaining the connection to his audience than about the consistency of his convictions. Perhaps Knowles and Johnson were right: Maybe Kirk could have been president.

[A_Gupta]

See? A new mythology is being created.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/li ... #rcrd88292

In a statement to NBC News, a Discord spokesperson said the company did identify an account belonging to the suspect, but said the messages mentioned in the news conference were not believed to have been sent on Discord.

We are deeply saddened by this tragedy and extend our condolences to the Kirk family and everyone affected. In the course of our investigation, we identified a Discord account associated with the suspect, but have found no evidence that the suspect planned this incident or promoted violence on Discord. The messages referenced in recent reporting about planning details do not appear to be Discord messages. These were communications between the suspect’s roommate and a friend after the shooting, where the roommate was recounting the contents of a note the suspect had left elsewhere. We have removed the suspect’s account for violating our off-platform behavior policy. We strongly condemn violence of any kind, including political violence, and we will continue to coordinate closely with law enforcement.

Is it because Kash Patel is of Indian origin that FBI bakwaas is being propagated on these pages?

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The toxic American online culture fueling shootings:
https://www.garbageday.email/p/charlie- ... -by-a-meme

A quote:

But the conflicting tone of the bullet casings’ inscriptions may also point to a connection with the Com network and the 764 terror cell offshoot. We’ve covered these groups several times on Panic World. They primarily exist inside of Discord and Telegram group chats. They recruit vulnerable young people around the internet, including inside of multiplayer games like Minecraft and Roblox. They encourage their members to commit horrible crimes with the promise of internet clout, intentionally using conflicting political messages to obscure any larger motive besides inspiring other members of the group to do the same. A month after a school shooter made an “OK” hand sign post, mentioned above, another teenager in Nashville made the exact same joke before allegedly shooting classmates at their high school. ProPublica found they crossed paths several times in these online communities, and the Nashville shooter was making a deliberate reference to his fellow community member. Which is what is so existentially terrifying about our current political moment.

We have let school shootings in America persist long enough that we have created a culture where kids grow up seeing them as a path towards fame and glory.

[Jay]

Quoting wiki as a source is questionable, but what wiki does best than most other pages is it actually attributes/links where that info came from so you can go down the rabbit hole and verify the source yourself. That's very important in this day and age where SM amplifies "he said-she said" arguments to the hilt.

Those links are New York times and Al Guardian. When the Lefty loonies want a narrative, they will sensor the articles of interest and quote and enforce their their own channels and ideology. Wiki can be used on anything technical in nature. Even if Climate Change is looked into it will be censored in similar fashion.

One need to ignore the opinion sections of the links and focus on the non-opinion sources. For example of the wiki says 'x thing happened' and it quotes sources, one need to ignore the opinion links, but retrieve the actual link which shows 'X thing happened', either a video, or from the actual author itself.

[Jay]

Fox News had reported:

WASHINGTON, Utah – The family of the suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination played an "almost unheard of" role in helping turn him in, an expert told Fox News Digital.

Police say 22-year-old Tyler Robinson was identified and reported to authorities with the help of his own family – a decision one expert described as extraordinary and profoundly difficult.

Excellent, grade A white washing. If this shooter was anybody other than a White "conservative" background, this entire take would have been different. Also, there are hundreds of cases where the perpetrators family identifies the perp, and turns them in. Fox news is only pretending it as an "almost unheard of" and the most magnanimous act.

One of the recent instances I can think of

https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-po ... /13229898/

Prosecutors said the youngest suspect's mother helped turn her teenage son into police at the same police district where Officer Preston served.

[chetak]

whose amrika is this

[A_Gupta]

Top row, left, Izzy in the water, @shrimpfriedizzy.bsky.social, is LGBTQ, worst reaction is “lol” to the announcement that Charlie Kirk is dead.

Top row, middle, benpoop.bsky.social - there is no such user.
There is a benpooped.bsky.social, a comic book writer, with a total of 18 posts, the last post 3 months ago.

So whose America? One of fakers.

—-added — the middle column second from bottom, alexod9132.bsky.social, could be real - the account is suspended.

[uddu]

Latest happening in the US is that people are losing their jobs for celebrating Charlie Kirk's death and there are lots of people who are fed up with the leftist ideology leaving it.

[chetak]

[A_Gupta]

David Frum gave a historical perspective that I lacked:
(YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lafeyI69R10)

....the tariffs give Trump what no American president has ever had before; what nobody in the Anglo-American tradition has had since the days of the Stuart monarchs in the 1600s. He's got a source of revenue that doesn't depend on Congress. If you were to say to the people in Philadelphia in 1787 what's like the one thing you're trying to make sure of what is like one thing here all the other rights -- well the number one thing is to make sure that the new ruler of America cannot have revenue that Congress didn't give them that's that's Article One. There's a reason it is Article One. Congress provides the money the president can spend it but only after Congress gives it.

AI tells us:

The British Parliament began to take control of government spending after the Glorious Revolution of 1688–89, with its power solidified through the subsequent "Financial Revolution". Before this time, the monarch had significant financial autonomy, but Parliament gradually asserted its authority by controlling the government's purse strings.

US Constitution, Article I, Section 7:

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Section 8:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
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To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
...

When the US Supreme Court rules that Trump's tariffs are legal, it will overthrow a more than three century old Anglo-American political tradition.

[chetak]

5 Sept 2025

The U.S. could take a lead role in monitoring a buffer zone between Ukraine and Russia if and when a peace deal is reached, U.S. broadcaster NBC News reported on Friday.

The buffer, envisaged to protect Ukraine from further Russian attacks, would be a large demilitarised zone and could additionally be secured by troops from one or more non-NATO countries such as Saudi Arabia or Bangladesh, the report said, citing four people familiar with the matter.

Any plan is only tentative until Putin and zelensky agree to one, in addition to the leaders of the countries that would be involved in the security guarantees, including donald trump.

[uddu]

^^^ Russia went to war to prevent this and they will never agree to any of such terms.

[uddu]

There are so many videos of celebration of his death, people losing their jobs for that. Situation is tense at the moment in U.S. Indians have to be careful as the outrage against leftist loonies, Jihadis, illegal will be directed against anyone Brown skinned.

Charlie Kirk UPDATE Steam Group CONNECTED To Tyler Robinson WARNED Stay Silent !!!


Who Is Charlie Kirk's Alleged Assassin Tyler Robinson?
22-year-old Tyler Robinson has been accused of the political assassination that is shocking the nation. Inside Edition spoke with criminologist Casey Jordan. Robinson was raised in a $600,000 six-bedroom home with hunting trophies on the walls. Social media posts show family vacations and fishing trips. In a news conference, authorities said Robinson's family members said he had become more political in recent years.


Charlie Kirk ‘killer’ Tyler Robinson ‘spotted kissing trans partner two weeks before assassination’
CHARLIE Kirk's suspected killer was spotted kissing his transgender partner just two weeks before the assassination, The Sun can reveal.
Tyler Robinson, 22, had reportedly been living with his unidentified lover at a home in Utah.


“Celebrating Charlie Kirk’s Death” - TMZ BUSTED As Fake Car Chase Excuse DOESN’T Add Up
Patrick Bet-David breaks down TMZ’s response after employees were caught laughing during the announcement of Charlie Kirk’s assassination. Did Harvey Levin cover it up? Pat calls out TMZ’s credibility and compares their handling to MSNBC’s firing of hateful voices


Man arrested for vandalizing Charlie Kirk memorial | LiveNOW from FOX
A new video shows the arrest of 19-year-old Ryder Corral for reportedly vandalizing the Charlie Kirk memorial outside Turning Point USA's Arizona headquarters. LiveNOW’s Andy Mac has the latest from the scene outside TPUSA headquarters in Phoenix.

In the video a person in a blue polo shirt is seen yanking a man, who was kicking over items including flowers, vases and flags, from the memorial and throwing him to the ground. Corral was wearing a black shirt featuring an American flag and an eagle.

[uddu]

Professor Shows Students How Close CIVIL WAR Really is After Charlie Kirk's Murder
You can see it in their eyes. This Professor tries to communicate the gravity of the situation. Some of the students seem to understand what is really at stake, & some seem to be oblivious.

[ricky_v]

ho boy, this one guy dying really did a number on the amercian psyche.
you listen to their news recently and its all wahh! wahh! wahh! ad nauseam, a bit annoying to say the least
still, congrats to the liberals, the republicans have proven that leftist tools are the only cubits by which they measure governance and policy making, in this sense, the overton window really has shifted by quite a lot and as liberals are the ones on whose ground the republicans are basing their identity on, its quite a stunning victory for the liberals, yes, they might not have the political clout for now, but what does it matter when the opponent is a lite version of yourself, sooner or later, the shared goals and philosophies on how to get there will reign supreme because the other party has tethered their identity to their opponents

all the best for liberals, heres to hoping you shift the window ever more, every iteration cleaves the other from ever having a reasoned discourse, as the northern british football fans are wont to say to their imported club players from africa

Go on my son, score a fakking goal

[Vayutuvan]

Prompt: @grok who set fire to Josh Shapiro's home?

Reply: Grok @grok

Based on reports from NYT, CNN, AP, and other sources, Cody A. Balmer, a 38-year-old unaffiliated voter with mental health issues, was charged with arson at Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro's home on April 13, 2025. Motive linked to Shapiro's stance on the Gaza conflict.

[A_Gupta]

President Trump has announced that George Soros and his entire network will be investigated under RICO charges.

He claims Soros is behind the funding, training, and radicalization of young people, fueling terror and extremism.

Trump's Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Bessent worked for George Soros for years, and when he left to found his own venture, got his seed money from George Soros.

[gakakkad]

soros is too smart to get caught. however he is 95 so u never know. I know that the Israelis have been trying to get him for ages now , as he has funded hamas/bds and other terror groups . however even they have had no luck.

[uddu]

Trump seems to have struck a deal with Soros just after elections. He got some of his people into the Government and they control the economic aspects. The Tariff attacks on India while protecting China could be because of this reason. Trump being transactional will question or threaten the deal if he feels the deal is broken by taking out a Conservative MAGA ideologist+influencer.

[chetak]

^^^ Russia went to war to prevent this and they will never agree to any of such terms.

uddu ji,

Any plan is only tentative until Putin and zelensky agree to one, in addition to the leaders of the countries that would be involved in the security guarantees, including donald trump.

everyone is out fishing, but without hook or bait

[uddu]

FBI has 'scores' of Discord chat users to talk to in Kirk assassination investigation
Fox News contributor and former U.S. attorney Andy McCarthy discusses the online chats and trial of Ryan Routh, the man accused of attempting to assassinate President Donald Trump.

[Rudradev]

We're about to discover yet more proof of a very surprising fact-- that MAGA sees its Indian-American acolytes as no more than used toilet paper, no matter what positions of apparent seniority they may nominally occupy.

Kash Patel, faithful Trump loyalist in charge of the FBI, is on his way out. Many white MAGAs have been sharpening their knives for him for a long time-- now, apparently in honor of the late Charlie Kirk's opinion about Indian-origin Americans, those knives are coming out for Kash Patel.



Update: Kash Patel has already been sent up as a sacrificial bakra for the Charlie Kirk investigation.



I fully expect to hear all about how I'm mistaken and this has nothing to do with Kash's ethnicity or national origin-- from people who would rather share his fate than give up on their own delusions about MAGA

[A_Gupta]

Kash Patel is not the least competent MAGA, perhaps war secy Hegseth qualifies for that.