India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[hanumadu]

If they want to become IT workers there is nothing stopping them. There are online courses for less than 100 dollars that teach programming. For 1000 $, you can learn all the necessary skills to land a good job.

That is all true but there are not too many IT jobs now, especially entry level. At the entry level, like testing or documentation or support, salaries are quite low. Where Indians H1Bs shine are in mid level jobs which require a couple of years of experience. But they are also willing to work anywhere in the country, unlike Americans who want to live in cities and/or close to their family.

I myself worked in a 3K town 60 miles south of DC where SWIFT has a development center. Entire SWIFT development was done by Indian H1Bs. Max time for GCs was 1.5 years to 2 years in NY/NJ/CT least was in CA 4-6 months. MI too has similar wait times.

Even in a tight job market, a citizen can find an IT job much easily than an H1. Any IT job pays better than waiting or barista. All Iam saying is its hard for an h1b worker to replace a citizen who is equally knowledgeable.

[srin]

Looking at X and other places, I'm shocked to see blatant racism in American against Indians. Is this something seen on a daily basis, or is this limited to online channels alone ?

[chetak]

guys, you really don't to miss this



Do you agree .....



WATCH VIDEO

[A_Gupta]

This after in the Oval Office, saying “one hundred thousand per year”
Link should take you to the moment - Lutnick says and then repeats that the fee is annual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59PcwRB7InA&t=323s

So now they’ve contradicted themselves

[gakakkad]

Slow painful death on an empire

[saip]

OM never read the proclamation before he signed it, I suppose.

[A_Gupta]

And the proclamation does say that the fee applies to aliens outside the country, which they had to clarify that it is not for existing visas.
Now clarified.
An administration whose spoken word and written word cannot be relied on.

[chetak]

“I don’t care what India does with Russia. They can take their dead economies down together, for all I care.”
- Donald Trump

And then the Trump family builds the most number of Trump Towers in the world, in India.

Well done, Donald

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile :Melania Breathes Easy: Trump’s $100,000 H-1B Proclamation Won’t Deport His Own Former Visa Holder

The White House has clarified:

The Proclamation does not apply to anyone who has a current visa...

[..2. The Proclamation only applies to future applicants ...3. The Proclamation does not impact the ability of any current visa holder to travel to/from the U.S...]

Thnanks BRF for clarificatioin

[Kati]

Just wait....
very soon they are going to link the trade deal with H1B issue ....
...to put pressure by the middle class on 'Very Big Bad Mudi'.....so Mudi must be deposed ....

Someone please preempt this by sharing this possibility through SM.

[uddu]

https://x.com/MrSinha_/status/1969786616618385719

@MrSinha_
It's going to be RAW vs CIA..... #IYKYK

[Vayutuvan]

Looking at X and other places, I'm shocked to see blatant racism in American against Indians. Is this something seen on a daily basis, or is this limited to online channels alone ?

Online chats mostly and trash talk teenagers/sophomores engage in. Also there is a large contingent of Paki and Chinese bots along with some middle-eastern (probably again pakis) ones. I live in the mid-west (US midwest not Turkiye or GreecE )

[Vayutuvan]

Overall 3 percent drop in Total Tourist arrivals in the U.S
U.S. Tourism Fell in August, With Sharp Decline From India
https://skift.com/2025/09/17/u-s-touris ... rom-india/

I read somewhere a few years back that the US Tourism industry is the second most valuable export after weapons. It weighs in at $250B. So they lost ~7.5 - 9 B USD.

[gakakkad]

Looking at X and other places, I'm shocked to see blatant racism in American against Indians. Is this something seen on a daily basis, or is this limited to online channels alone ?

Online chats mostly and trash talk teenagers/sophomores engage in. Also there is a large contingent of Paki and Chinese bots along with some middle-eastern (probably again pakis) ones. I live in the mid-west (US midwest not Turkiye or GreecE )

Turkey is middle east lol nor middle west lolwa . Even in Yankee Midwest the larger cities are very diverse like Chicago suburbs , Urbana , Columbus /cleveland /s.louis ,omaha etc . Even in deep deep red states like iowa ,cedar rapids /Des Moines have diversity. As such most of midwest isn't all that racist . Pockets being exception . Deep south is a different story .

I am concerned about spillover in real life . There have been studies that show that does happen . Also the current government is influenced by online trolls and there have been obvious instances where online campaigns have led to official statements and likely even policy influence . Like that lady who was caught shoplifting in target on Chicago. It was pretty unusual for a desi to be involved in such things but DOS issued a visa /travel advisory.

[Vayutuvan]

Turkey is middle east lol nor middle west lolwa .

Tongue in cheek because Turkiye is in NATO which is associated with the West. Israel for all cultural reasons, is in the West. So is Jordan and Cyprus. Ofc I live in a twin of the one of the midwestern towns you listed above. I don't see any more racism than say in your city.

(On a different note, did you look at my LinkedIn page in the recent past? If so, do send a connect message SVP)

[pravula]

Turkey has an application open for EU, doesn’t it?

[chanakyaa]

Just wait....
very soon they are going to link the trade deal with H1B issue ....
...to put pressure by the middle class on 'Very Big Bad Mudi'.....so Mudi must be deposed ....

Yes, he definitely is the target, And, this one is out there with far reaching consequences, but not yet a law and odds of passing seem small. Since everything these days is done by President's executive order, what do the 535 members of US Congress do? may be chai, biskoot and lots of work from home.

New Moreno Bill Would Crack Down on Outsourcing, Fund American Workers

Today, Senator Bernie Moreno (R-Ohio) introduced the Halting International Relocation of Employment Act, or HIRE Act, to protect American workers from outsourcing by disincentivizing U.S. companies from chasing cheaper wages and hiring foreign workers. The legislation will impose a tax on any company that employs foreign labor instead of Americans and will use the generated revenue to fund workforce development programs to help the middle-class.
...
The HIRE Act:

• Creates a 25% tax on outsourcing payments, defined as any money paid by a U.S. company or taxpayer to a foreign person whose work benefits consumers in the United States.
• Creates a “Domestic Workforce Fund” to collect any money raised from the outsourcing tax, which is used to support apprenticeships and workforce development programs.
• Prohibits companies from deducting any outsourcing payments.

...

[Vayutuvan]

Turkey has an application open for EU, doesn’t it?

A small part of Turkiye West of Bosporus is in Europe.

[pravula]

Turkey has an application open for EU, doesn’t it?

A small part of Turkiye West of Bosporus is in Europe.

Yes, but just calling out that Turkey considers itself an European country

[Vayutuvan]

Yes, but just calling out that Turkey considers itself an European country

[KL Dubey]

Yes, but just calling out that Turkey considers itself an European country

This fake claim of the Turks stems from the fact that the Greek-founded city Byzantion ---> Konstantinopolis ---> Constantinople ---> Istanbul lies on the European landmass side. Its a tenuous link that the actual Europeans usually disdain. Turkey is an Asian country without a doubt. There is nothing significant in their culture that is European, including their language and religion. The ancient Greeks had many Asian and African colonies/outposts (including Alexandria in Egypt) but that does not make all those countries European. Even parts of Akhand Bharat were Hellenic kingdoms at one time.

[Kakkaji]

^^
But the Turkish population is now genetically closer to Europeans than to the Central Asians where the Turkish civilization actually started. This is because of their conquest/ conversion/ assimililation of European people living in Asia Minor and Eastern/ Southern Europe during the centuries of Ottoman Empire.

[KL Dubey]

^^
But the Turkish population is now genetically closer to Europeans than to the Central Asians where the Turkish civilization actually started. This is because of their conquest/ conversion/ assimililation of European people living in Asia Minor and Eastern/ Southern Europe during the centuries of Ottoman Empire.

In that case, is Argentina or Chile a European country ? The point is, Turkey is on the Asian continent, with a culture that is a mix of central Asian/Mongol, Arab, and Iranian influences. The genetic intermixing is not relevant.

Contrast with countries like Bosnia and Albania, which are actually in Europe and definitely European in culture even if heavily influenced by the Turks (the first is a green majority and the second is 40+% green).

[uddu]

https://x.com/ByRakeshSimha/status/1969958646244372670
@ByRakeshSimha
MAGA supporters on 4Chan launched "Clog the Toilet" operation to block Indian H1B workers from returning to the US by reserving flight seats without paying. Flight prices spiked. A 4Chan post urged, "Clog the flight reservation system!" to keep Indian workers grounded. Some claimed to have locked up 100 seats. But here's the kicker - there was no deadline for Indians to return, and Air India does not do refunds. So these low IQ incels at 4Chan lost a ton of money. Just proves the US needs more - not less - H1B workers.

[uddu]

https://x.com/Incognito_qfs/status/1969799945923223667
@Incognito_qfs
FAO Chief Economist wants to say India should give access to US Agri companies to feed healthy diet to all Indians and The Wire is helping in spreading that propaganda.

[drnayar]

https://x.com/Incognito_qfs/status/1969799945923223667
@Incognito_qfs
FAO Chief Economist wants to say India should give access to US Agri companies to feed healthy diet to all Indians and The Wire is helping in spreading that propaganda.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G1YiPJnXEAA ... name=small[/img

what an oxymoron !

[uddu]

https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1970024148652159305
@MeghUpdates
BIG STATEMENT

PK Mishra, Principal Secretary to PM Modi, says “Govt is encouraging Indians working abroad to RETURN and contribute to nation-building.”

[Cyrano]

IMO this H1B storm in a tea cup is nothing more than a pressure tactic to get Modi and his govt under domestic blowback and cause policy chaos as the trade negotiations restart this week. India and Indians are pizzed off and are even more strongly backing Modi.

GST cuts have taken center stage in our news cycles and H1B saga will be mostly forgotten in a few days as Navaratri starts. By the time Diwali comes, Trumpwa will be left clutching wet crackers.

If disrespecting, foul mouthing and cheap pressure tactics (including lighting fires in our neighborhood) are now the art of the deal, then good luck to amreeka.

IMO Bharat should complete it's trade negotiations with EU and others to secure it's commercial interests so that when we finally come to US sometime next year, we can be in a much stronger and comfortable position.

[V_Raman]

MMS made a statement during his PM days that this period of world treating India's rise as benign is our luck and may not last forever. We are seeing the world changing its view of India's rise. Human capital is still the primary export of India and we are still ways off from getting out of that. This is a tough situation to navigate and sharks are out on the prowl for the hunt...

[uddu]

https://x.com/arunpudur/status/1970096583397302386
@arunpudur
Air India now considering cancelling Boeing orders worth $46B due to safety, quality & geopolitical concerns - Sources.

This largest aviation deal will employ 1 Million Americans, Biden said.

Looks like the US will lose jobs will get 1M aviation jobs.

Tq
@POTUS

[ricky_v]

https://x.com/ByRakeshSimha/status/1969958646244372670
@ByRakeshSimha
MAGA supporters on 4Chan launched "Clog the Toilet" operation to block Indian H1B workers from returning to the US by reserving flight seats without paying. Flight prices spiked. A 4Chan post urged, "Clog the flight reservation system!" to keep Indian workers grounded. Some claimed to have locked up 100 seats. But here's the kicker - there was no deadline for Indians to return, and Air India does not do refunds. So these low IQ incels at 4Chan lost a ton of money. Just proves the US needs more - not less - H1B workers.

if we do not know the enemy properly, we cannot defeat it; after having used 4chan for many years, i will say that they are an eclectic mixture of lonely, introverted and high functioning autistic men

https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... rmutation/

what they did in the above was holding the ticket, as in they filled in the details but did not checkout, this triggered a 15 minute holding period for the seat selected, and they brute spammed this multiple times, some even created a script to auto fill the details and hold, this in actuality caused prices to spike up, one legitimate flyer had to pay upwards of $6000 because of such antics

hence the name: clogging, because they were jamming up the entire system, it came to naught as the policies were updated afterwards, but in the interim, they had a lot of screenshots, i would know, i was there

what you think of describing are stromfront thugs who are illiterate for all purposes, the same is not true for 4chan, not by a long shot, some rich philosophical, technical, literary discussions can only be had there, there is quite literally no other place existing like it

[Deans]

Overall 3 percent drop in Total Tourist arrivals in the U.S
U.S. Tourism Fell in August, With Sharp Decline From India
https://skift.com/2025/09/17/u-s-touris ... rom-india/

I read somewhere a few years back that the US Tourism industry is the second most valuable export after weapons. It weighs in at $250B. So they lost ~7.5 - 9 B USD.

Tourist numbers from all over the world into the US are down.
Add to that drop in students from all countries - India seeing the biggest drop.

[Deans]

https://x.com/Incognito_qfs/status/1969799945923223667
@Incognito_qfs
FAO Chief Economist wants to say India should give access to US Agri companies to feed healthy diet to all Indians and The Wire is helping in spreading that propaganda.

A good indication that we are doing something right is if Wire recommends we do the opposite.

[vera_k]

what they did in the above was holding the ticket, as in they filled in the details but did not checkout, this triggered a 15 minute holding period for the seat selected, and they brute spammed this multiple times, some even created a script to auto fill the details and hold, this in actuality caused prices to spike up, one legitimate flyer had to pay upwards of $6000 because of such antics

Are you sure about this? FAA regulations in the US allow users to book a ticket and cancel within 24 hours without penalty. No need to wait for a 15 minute timeout.

[uddu]

Any letting of U.S farm produce in India will give them the opportunity to demand that India stop subsidizing the farmers to remove the price advantage enjoyed by Indian farmers and that will lead to situations where Indian farmers leaving the non profitable farming while mass farming in the U.S able to export to India, making us relying on U.S for food. We did not achieve Green revolution to reach such a situation and hand over our freedom and life back to the Goras. The destroying of Farm bills was to ensure that Indian farmer never achieve self reliance and compete with the west. If they cannot accept our terms, its better not to have a trade deal.

[gakakkad]

The hunger index psy-ops is starting to make sense now . The reason farm bill was sabotaged is because green revolution 2 would have made this propaganda non sequitor .

I am unable to find yield per hectare data in the last 5 years . Last available data is 2019-2020 time frame . If anyone is able to find that data I'll be thankful . I am looking for yield per hectare data of all major crops including pulses and cotton in the last 4-5 years . Want to see if state level agriculture reform done in bjp states to bypass the rollback of farm laws had an impact .

[ricky_v]

Are you sure about this? FAA regulations in the US allow users to book a ticket and cancel within 24 hours without penalty. No need to wait for a 15 minute timeout.

two points to this: why pay actual money when blocking can be attained by not paying in the first place, asoical autists as a rule do not tend to be overtly wealthy owing to a disinterest in social interactions and network building

secondly, why only assume it was users from the us? it was everyone as far as i could see, france, australia, canada, chile, algeria, singapore, thailand, baltics, see you do not have to register to post anything on 4chan which is its beauty, no otp on phone or mail confirmation or national id nonsense, though while posting the users can opt to show from which geographic locations they are posting, and it is usually people from all over the globe

[gakakkad]

4chan racists tend not to be the asocial autistic type . They tend to be chutiyas with low IQ and are asocial because no one wants to be with them because they are disgusting . Simply opening the page can cause your brain to melt its that low IQ . If the ticket thingy happened on AI flight and was successful it is more likely that turki /chini groups are behind it .however the routes are usually packed . It's impossible to find a last minute ticket.

[Vayutuvan]

The hunger index psy-ops is starting to make sense now . The reason farm bill was sabotaged is because green revolution 2 would have made this propaganda non sequitor .

I have a feeling that the number of people going hungry in India are almost zero. In my childhood days, rice and wheat was for the landholding families/salaried. Field workers had to do with makkai/bajra/jowar roti, red mirchi+salt chutney, and a piece or two of onions. Now a days, everybody can eat rice - may not be the best quality old sona masoori but certainly reasonable quality non-broken rice.

I will ask around.

[saip]

Few days back my SiL came from Blore. The flight was empty she said. So much so, she was able to sleep on her row. The flight interestingly took a detour via Kolkata (refueling - Paki problem I guess) and then came non-stop to SFO.