Terroristan - March 31, 2022

[Manish_P]

[chetak]

The Pakistanis have been made to eat crow with a side helping of sausages. Not only did ICC remain firm and not remove Andy Pycroft which was the PCBs “non-negotiable” demand, but he went on to officiate their match. And even though Pakis claimed moral victory by saying Pycroft apologised, he did nothing of that sort: he just expressed regret for miscommunication.
Bhikaris H&D is in tatters….

The Pakistanis have been made to eat crow with a side helping of pork sausages................

There you go Tanaji saar, this reads so much better

[A_Gupta]

Hussain Haqqani notes about the Paki-Saudi treaty: , “Most likely, Pakistan will now be able to buy US weapons it needs, with Saudi money, which [the] Trump administration seems willing to sell. Similar purchases occurred in the 1970s when the US Congress was unwilling to approve loans under Foreign Military Funding (FMF) for Pakistan.”

Saudi Arabia spend as much on defense as India (around $78 billion).

1. How many shiny new toys can the Pak army afford now?
2. Will Pakistan get bases in Saudi Arabia?
3. Will attacks by BLA, TTP on Pakistan be attacks on Saudi Arabia?
4. If we think that the Paki army is a bit stretched now, will it have to grow (with Saudi money) to be a “regional guarantor of security”?
5. Will Pakistan be drawn into war with the Houthis?
6. What is the impact on Iran?

[Dilbu]

Why do the Saudis need to fear Israelis . They are member of Abe Accord and ksa royal family is against Muslim brotherhood and Hamas and Qatar . I don't get it .

I have a different take on this. Saudis had already funded the Paki bum years ago and had an agreement to gain access to it when needed. They never made this arrangement formal or public as long as unkil's military base in their soil provided an easier safety guarantee. Now after attack on Hamas in Doha, unkil's torn langoti is flying in the wind for everyone to see. Also with Israel on their side and Iran subdued, as of now, Saudis might think this is the right time to come out of the closet and make a claim on that atim bum. Wise move? Time will tell.

One thing is certain. Kirana hills will suddenly feature in the potential target list of may more countries from now on. The paki nukular umbrella graduated from being India's headache to West Asia's headache.

[chetak]

Why do the Saudis need to fear Israelis . They are member of Abe Accord and ksa royal family is against Muslim brotherhood and Hamas and Qatar . I don't get it .

I have a different take on this. Saudis had already funded the Paki bum years ago and had an agreement to gain access to it when needed. They never made this arrangement formal or public as long as unkil's military base in their soil provided an easier safety guarantee. Now after attack on Hamas in Doha, unkil's torn langoti is flying in the wind for everyone to see. Also with Israel on their side and Iran subdued, as of now, Saudis might think this is the right time to come out of the closet and make a claim on that atim bum. Wise move? Time will tell.

One thing is certain. Kirana hills will suddenly feature in the potential target list of may more countries from now on. The paki nukular umbrella graduated from being India's headache to West Asia's headache.

Dilbu ji,

“Most likely, pakistan will now be able to buy us weapons it needs, with saudi money"

This goes against the geopolitical and supreme national interests of India in particular, while leaving the cheen bosses extremely unhappy too

we will need viable options to counter threats from this emerging coalition of the jihadis

BTW, Dilbu ji,

Maintain good health, regular exercise, nutritious diet, and stay match fit

by the way things are panning out and what with the global and regional dynamics that are changing almost daily, we will have urgent need your unparalleled hex powers.

[drnayar]

I think this is as much threat Israel can get from a nuclear power , wonder what their response is

[Rudradev]

Hussain Haqqani notes about the Paki-Saudi treaty: , “Most likely, Pakistan will now be able to buy US weapons it needs, with Saudi money, which [the] Trump administration seems willing to sell. Similar purchases occurred in the 1970s when the US Congress was unwilling to approve loans under Foreign Military Funding (FMF) for Pakistan.”

Saudi Arabia spend as much on defense as India (around $78 billion).

1. How many shiny new toys can the Pak army afford now?
2. Will Pakistan get bases in Saudi Arabia?
3. Will attacks by BLA, TTP on Pakistan be attacks on Saudi Arabia?
4. If we think that the Paki army is a bit stretched now, will it have to grow (with Saudi money) to be a “regional guarantor of security”?
5. Will Pakistan be drawn into war with the Houthis?
6. What is the impact on Iran?

The Saudis are angry with India for two reasons. First, India is buying far less oil from them than it was a few years ago. Second, India is buying Russian oil, refining it in huge quantities and selling it to EU and other markets at prices that undercut Saudi oil.

Are they angry enough with India to fund Pakistan's purchase of *India-specific* weapons? I think they realize that would be an action with very far-reaching consequences. Trump will not be around forever, and even for as long as he is around, his loyalties to foreign regimes can and will turn on a dime. Practical minds in Riyadh know there are many advantages to keeping India at least somewhat on-side.

Regarding Pakistan getting bases in Saudi Arabia: Pakistanis are already employed by the hundreds on bases in Saudi Arabia, in every position from toilet cleaner to aircraft chauffeur. Will Pakistan ever have the sort of sovereign authority over these bases as, say, the US has over Al-Udeid? No way.

Regarding attacks by BLA, TTP, etc. it hardly matters what is said on paper. The Saudis are not going to fight TTP or BLA on Pakistan's behalf. What I expect is that Pakistan (as convenient) will be reciprocally reluctant when asked to contribute more to Saudi war efforts in, say, Yemen. "We cannot send more to you saar, what about Yindoo-sponsored BLA/TTP saar, what about Yindoos themselves saar, we need to mind our own borders, please give us money."

Regarding the growth of any Pakistani institution with Saudi money-- previous experiences with US money, European money, Japanese money, Chinese money etc show that Pakistan is an infinite sinkhole for money. The Saudis can pour as much money as they want into it. It will find ways to divert that money for the benefit of its jarnail/politician/landowner class, but never quite have enough to grow into a 'guarantor of regional security' unless more money is sent.

Finally, Pakistan will not be drawn into war against the Houthis (other than providing some amount of cannon fodder to fight under the Saudi flag as they already do). Pakistan (which shares a long border with Iran and has a substantial Shia population) has more to fear from Iran than Saudi Arabia does.

Bottom line: the Pakistan-Saudi "alliance" is of concern to India only if the US decides to become actively involved in cementing and operationalizing it, to the extent that it was in say Zia Ul Haq's day. Meaning boots on the ground, carriers on the coast, squadrons parked in Pakistani airbases, with Saudi funding for all of this. If America sticks around as a long-term micromanager to play arbiter (on who should send money/soldiers/equipment to whom and when), adjudicator (of any potential disputes between Saudi and Pakistan on the terms of the treaty), auditor (of what is happening to the funds allotted for each purpose in each case)... then it can become a real problem. Without the firm and constant guiding hand of Washington-- something that hasn't really existed since the demise of the Soviet Union-- I don't expect this to change things very much.

[chetak]

Rudradev saar,

the qataris were asking for it, and have got their comeuppance for the time being

they are not very popular in the "gelf" because they actually have terrorists with them, especially those seeking safe haven

They fund various "causes" and many of these have come back later to bite them in the ass.

Their notorious al jazira venture had caused very grave offence to the very influential players all over the "gelf"

The saudis are merely looking for a hired gun and general housekeeping dogsbody, so that they can put up the "beware of dog" sign on their gate, and the pakis are looking for a rich master who does look into the financials too deeply

the nuclearized pakis have long yearned for the leadership of the ummah and what they imagine is the "respect" that they will be accorded for "assuming" the title but the saudis do not even recognize them as true muslims

The rabid pakis, very often bite their own masters.

Any weapons that they get, no matter the source, they will use against India

[uddu]

Same day, this as well
https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1968676902756925458

@MeghUpdates
BIG BREAKING

US REVOKES 2018 sanctions waiver for India on Iran’s Chabahar Port.

From Sept 29, anyone OPERATING at Chabahar will FACE US Treasury sanctions.

https://x.com/VatsRishap/status/1968564397023883272
@VatsRishap
Important to note that this meeting with the CENTCOM commander came on the same day as the defence pact announcement with Pakistan.

https://x.com/kbsalsaud/status/1968032021860749330
@kbsalsaud
Met with the commander of
@CENTCOM
, Admiral Brad Cooper. During the meeting, we reviewed aspects of our defense cooperation and discussed the latest developments in the region, as well as our shared efforts to address them in a way that preserves international peace and security.

[Rudradev]

The saudis are merely looking for a hired gun and general housekeeping dogsbody, so that they can put up the "beware of dog" sign on their gate, and the pakis are looking for a rich master who does look into the financials too deeply

But that has always been the case since the 1970s at least. A_Gupta ji's post seemed to suggest that the new Saudi/Pak treaty might somehow change or augment the prevailing scenario to India's detriment. My response was to say that I don't think it matters much in the big picture.

Yes, Pakis will get some more money from the MBS regime than they used to. That will allow the Pakis to spend Saudi money on weapons for use against India while eating up money from other sources for themselves. But this role of the Pakistan-benefactor is one that many countries are willing to play... that's why we've always said Pakistan has four fathers. If it were not Saudi Arabia it would be someone else.

Any weapons that they get, no matter the source, they will use against India

This is something that was true even before the Saudi/Pak treaty. The point is what kind of weapons. If the US wants to give Pakis very advanced ADS, AMRAAMs, fighters and so on-- they would do so with or without Saudi in the picture. What has changed under Trump is that Trump wants the Saudis, rather than the US treasury itself, to fund the transfer of these weapons to Pakistan.

[uddu]

https://x.com/Himalaya1971/status/1968419643015708857
@Himalaya1971
This time, a shipment of bullets has been seized at Dhaka’s Hazrat Shahjalal International Airport. According to sources, security personnel recovered a large number of bullets marked “Made in Pakistan,” wrapped inside food packets.

[vera_k]

What has changed under Trump is that Trump wants the Saudis, rather than the US treasury itself, to fund the transfer of these weapons to Pakistan.

Sparks a thought wrt the Trump admin action on India wrt tariffs because of Russian oil purchase.

Moving India away from purchasing Russian oil would be a way to finance support to Pak this way by increasing Saudi oil purchases from India.

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile .. When China and Pakistan together moved UNSC 1267 committee to ban and designate BLA and its Majeed Brigade... Breaking news

Baloch Liberation Army claims Fidayeen attack on a convoy of Pakistan Army killing 13 Pakistani soldiers in Dasht, Balochistan.

[Amber G.]

Attack on one nation - India - will be responded with an attack on both - Saudi Arabia & Pakistan.

[Rudradev]

...

On the other hand, my above analysis could be completely off base.

Major Gaurav Arya has a different take entirely: The Saudi-Pak treaty is being engineered by China, not the US. China has also played a major role in normalizing relations between KSA and Iran over the last couple of years-- so if this scenario is true, Iran would not be threatened by the treaty, and would receive Chinese guarantees that it is not the target of a Saudi-Pak alliance. The Houthis would likely be quieted down as well, or at least retargeted towards Israel exclusively.



However, if this is the case, Hussein Haqqani is likely wrong that the Pakis could use Saudi money to buy US weapons. China would insist that any Saudi-funded weapons purchases ensuing from a deal brokered by Beijing would be of Chinese weapons, not American. This would work out much better for India, because we know the capacity of Foo Yong fighters and Chow Mein ADS very well by now.

[A_Gupta]

Yes, much ado about very little in this analysis too.


https://www.belfercenter.org/research-a ... thin%20air.

[sudhan]

I fully expect a SSG led BAT raid followed by some terror attack designed to catch headlines.. Pakis cant stop themselves from waving their new found moth-eaten langot..

India should unleash the Navy for the continuation of Op Sindoor and Pakis can brown their pants together with the Saudis while holdin hands

[SRajesh]

Rudradevji
Here is an analysis by the 'Three Wise Men' (and not the Scary Gen Bakshi though I love him to bits when he takes the Ropers to the cleaners!!)
I tend to Agree with the Generals take that this is more CENTCOM organised rather than Chin!!
And some shifting of pataka (which may or maybe not be true)
In return the Napaks will the bankrolled to buy Unkils toys for better air Defence
The Three Generals Take on the Saudi-Pak pact.
https://youtu.be/UWq-QG06T5c

[Amber G.]

(xpost)
JKLF terrorist Yasin Malik has said that former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh personally thanked & expressed gratitude to him after he met Lashkar-e-Taiba founder & 26/11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed in Pakistan in 2006.
Exclusive story :
in his affidavit, Malik described how Saeed organised a gathering of jihadist groups, where the former delivered a speech, urging terrorists to embrace peace.
"Ex-PM Thanked Me For Meeting Hafiz Saeed": Yasin Malik's Explosive Claim

[Amber G.]

Pakistan is extremely upset today--- calls it a DARK MOMENT (The video, the rep was crying.. )

- Pak and China's attempt at declaring BLA's Majeed Brigade a global terror org -- failed

- For the 6th time US vetoed unconditional Gaza ceasefire and unrestricted aid access

[A_Gupta]

"The United States, United Kingdom, and France blocked a joint Pakistan-China bid to sanction the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) and the Majeed Brigade at the UN, over a month after Washington declared both groups as Foreign Terrorist Organisations.

In blocking the joint bid to sanction the BLA and its suicide wing, the Majeed Brigade, under the UN 1267 regime, the US and allies noted that there was insufficient evidence linking the groups to Al Qaeda or ISIL.

The UN 1267 regime refers to UN Security Council Resolution 1267 of 1999, which imposes sanctions—including travel bans, asset freezes, and arms embargoes—on individuals or entities linked to Al-Qaida, the Taliban, and ISIL."


and

At the session, Pakistan’s representative was seeking to link the BLA with the Tehreek-e-Taliban, which is already in the 1267 list.

[drnayar]

https://www.geo.tv/latest/624471-pakist ... ation-move

Pakistan joins Arab payments platform in landmark integration move
Arrangement to enable cross-border transactions, but only allow inflows from overseas Pakistanis

[Ramesh]

That's a possible indirect hawala route.
Some Arab countries are linked with the UPI system.

[uddu]

https://x.com/IndianSinghh/status/1969435482372391030
@IndianSinghh
Indian Army has destroyed a Pakistan Army post in POJK as per POJK local media outlets.

Many Pakistani soldiers have been H00rified

[A_Gupta]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1943572

The United States has called on Pakistan to subject its defence and intelligence budgets to parliamentary or civilian public oversight, describing it as a key step to improve fiscal accountability and transparency.

[uddu]

https://x.com/lakshaymehta31/status/1969812547575697675
@lakshaymehta31
Sahibzada Farhan is enacting how Pakistani terrorists killed our innocent Hindus in Pahalgam attack

BCCI team is playing match with Terrorists.

Shame on
@BCCI

https://x.com/lakshaymehta31/status/1969856265472868463
@lakshaymehta31
This

Abhishek Sharma be like chal na ****
https://x.com/i/status/1969856265472868463

[chetak]

hina rabbani khar crying on TV about India hitting them wherever & whenever it wants

[A_Gupta]

This in Dawn, I do link to, because it is revealing about the newly-formed Pakistan’s constitutional history.
I do recommend reading it.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1943706/power ... echo-today

[chetak]

Pakistani cricketer Sahibzada Farhan mimicked an AK-47 with his bat during a match against India. This isn’t just a gesture — it reflects a deeper problem.

From military generals to actors, doctors to cricketers, radical jihadist symbolism is ingrained in Pakistan’s psyche. Decades of militarization and extremism have ensured that violence is glorified as culture.

Expecting transformation through dialogue is naïve. Diplomacy works with civilized states; Pakistan only understands the language of Brahmos!

[Manish_P]

Pakistani cricketer Sahibzada Farhan mimicked an AK-47 with his bat during a match against India. This isn’t just a gesture — it reflects a deeper problem. ....

The problem being Pakis tendency of shooting themselves

The jihadidiot held the bat with the handle pointing to himself akin to holding the gun like this..

[saip]

During the Innings break Dawn headline said "Pakistan SMASHES India for 171". We know what happened after that.

[SSridhar]

This in Dawn, I do link to, because it is revealing about the newly-formed Pakistan’s constitutional history.

From this: Foreign journals were instead treated to Iskander Mirza, who told them the electorate was bound to act “foolish”; democracy having “run riot during seven years in Pakistan”.

Ayub Khan later said that Democracy worked only in cold countries and the hot weather of Pakistan was not suitable for it.

[Deans]

Pakistani cricketer Sahibzada Farhan mimicked an AK-47 with his bat during a match against India. This isn’t just a gesture — it reflects a deeper problem. ....

The problem being Pakis tendency of shooting themselves

The jihadidiot held the bat with the handle pointing to himself akin to holding the gun like this..

They literally bombed themselves, with the airstrike in KP, killing 30.
Under the defence pact with Saudi, Saudi will have to attack Pakistan, for attacking Pakistan.

[Amber G.]

Pakistani cricketer Sahibzada Farhan mimicked an AK-47 with his bat during a match against India. This isn’t just a gesture — it reflects a deeper problem.

F

xpost:
This Canadian Journalist has some points

India needs to understand why Pakistan thinks that it won the war. This isn’t a normal state that cares about high value targets, geo-strategic positioning or even their airbases.
There are two metrics which Pakistanis (jihadists) measure any conflict. Did we kill Hindus? Did we gain or lose any land?
The targeted murder of Hindus in Kashmir means that one of their war aims was completed before India fired back and the fact that the Islamic world lost no land to the infidels means that the war was a total victory.
To be blunt, if Pakistan were to attack tomorrow and lose 1 million men, 100 aircraft and have their cities blown to bits but managed to kill one Hindu and the border remains the same, that is a Pakistani victory. All of those dead Muslims go to heaven, so that is a win. There is a dead Hindu, so that is another win and the Ummah didn’t shrink which is the ultimate win.
All this being said it means that Operation Sindoor part 2 will happen in response to some terrorist attack and if you want to avoid Operation Sindoor part 3 and deter further terrorism you will need to take at least 1km of land on the border of Kashmir from Pakistan and turn it into a buffer zone (I’d build a bunch of Hindu temples as well).
The entire world will screech uncontrollably like they do when Israel has to defend itself, but that will be the price for peace and stability.

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[vera_k]

If you remember, India did not play Davis Cup international fixtures against South Africa in the apartheid era.

Don't understand why India plays cricket against Pakistan with the excuse of needing to play international cricket.

[gakakkad]

^ India is worlds first woke democracy. Didn't have full diplomatic relations with Israel till 1992 but always had them with Pakistan before the modi era .

South Africa in those days you could have done business with . And many opportunities were squandered. Companies like daneel had solid engineers . Ultimately many were absorbed in Rheinmetal and other companies but word is they did reach out to India for business in 1992 . As in moving operations here .

It's only now that realpolitik is being played in India and that too not to the extent it should .

[saip]

If you remember, India did not play Davis Cup international fixtures against South Africa in the apartheid era.

Don't understand why India plays cricket against Pakistan with the excuse of needing to play international cricket.

In tennis India was not exactly a super power ( then or now). But not so in Cricket (now). But they should have never agreed for neutral venues. India should have used its power to tell nay order ICC to act according to its (India's) convenience (a la OM). Without India in these games there is no financial viability. If India refuses to play in Pakistan, who loses? Again, if Pakistan refuses to play in India, who loses? Definitely NOT India.
In women's cricket Pakis got a walk over when we boycotted. Unfortunately, we did not pull our weight. It is time we did.

[Vayutuvan]

^ India is worlds first woke democracy. Didn't have full diplomatic relations with Israel till 1992 but always had them with Pakistan before the modi era .

Diplomatic relations with Israel started thanks to PV saab.

[vera_k]

In tennis India was not exactly a super power ( then or now). But not so in Cricket (now). But they should have never agreed for neutral venues. India should have used its power to tell nay order ICC to act according to its (India's) convenience (a la OM). Without India in these games there is no financial viability. If India refuses to play in Pakistan, who loses? Again, if Pakistan refuses to play in India, who loses? Definitely NOT India.
In women's cricket Pakis got a walk over when we boycotted. Unfortunately, we did not pull our weight. It is time we did.

With the same reasoning, India played cricket against Pakistan internationally when it was not a cricketing superpower (around the same period). Times have changed. There is no need to play Pakistan internationally. Don't think it even matters to the bank balances officials and players.
Players can be brought to heel through the IPL as well by structuring conflicting events needing player presence at the same time as Pakistan matches. This would be similar to how the USA struggled forever to field a world class basketball team for the Olympics.

[Amber G.]

Yes, India and Israel established full diplomatic relations on 29 January 1992.. but..

- India had recognized Israel as a state back in 1950, and Israel was allowed to open a consulate in Mumbai in 1953.

(However, for decades, India avoided full diplomatic ties due to Cold War alignments etc)
Also:
1962 – During the Sino-Indian war, India and Israel had secret exchanges, with Israel reportedly supplying some arms and military aid, though this was not publicized.
1971 – In the Bangladesh Liberation War, Israel again quietly supplied some military assistance. But officially, India still had no embassy-level ties..

{ I have travelled *many times* starting in late 60's (as Indian Citizen) ..despite the official hesitations between New Delhi and Tel Aviv, I always found it was easy to travel there. The Israeli people were warm, relationships at the human level were good, and I never felt unwelcome..}

( When I first traveled to Israel in in late 60's , it was more by chance than planning — my plane had a stopover in Tel Aviv, and to my pleasant surprise I was able to step out and visit. I wasn’t sure what kind of reception to expect. Instead, I found the Israelis welcoming and the process surprisingly easy..

(I was surprised, at that time, Mukesh, and Raj Kapoor's films and songs were *very* popular)

Later, in the 1970s, visited it again. At that time, getting an Israeli visa as an Indian citizen (at NY Consulate) was a little delicate ..Because India hadn’t yet opened formal embassy-level ties, and because many Arab countries were sensitive about Israeli stamps in passports, the visa was issued to me on a separate card rather than directly in my passport. That way, I could continue my other travels in the region without difficulty...
(Years later, visiting Israel was fairly simple as an US Citizen)
.