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This is going to go over REAL well in Hollywood. Not to mention that most box-office receipts for Hollywood movies seen in theatres come from overseas markets-- China in particular, so much so that PRC has effective vetoes on content, casting etc. I hope Chump doesn't imagine they aren't going to retaliate. Expect a wholesale explosion in content piracy.

The "indie" film industry in the US may get a boost from this on the margins (some audiences who remain adamant about viewing movies in theatres may prefer to watch indie films shot entirely in the United States rather than a pay a tariff premium on mainstream blockbuster-type movies largely produced elsewhere). However, of the people who either work in the "indie" film industry or who watch its output, not even an infinitesimal fraction could be convinced to vote for Chump under any circumstances :mrgreen:
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Speaking of Hollywood, here is a good metaphor for how Modi is handling the tariff threat from Chump and company:

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Indie films shot entirely with an iPhone when it is made 1000% (sic) in the USA.
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IMO you are all overthinking this. Our friend does not think that much, he just makes a statement that his limited brain understands that morning and then puts that up as a SM post. Then he tells his team of sycophants to implement it. They in turn tell their teams and that manifests into some sort of policy. What our friend wants is simple. He just wants nonstop media attention and talking points. He thinks American consumers are so indispensable that their international suppliers will bend their backwards to service them. He thinks he found a new way to fill the federal coffers with new streams of revenue from the American consumers and somehow these service providers will move their production to the native land to reduce costs for their special market place. As an added bonus, he can also fill his personal coffers when the international players will financially mollycoddle him which he then can pay back with personal favors.

Most industries will adjust to new reality by making market adjustments and finding loopholes. American consumers are not making new money. They are already debt ridden. Therefore they will learn to consume less. All these policies are going to have their negative effect in few years on American economy and good will, but who cares? By then our friend would have left the mess for someone else to cleanup.
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Here is an idea for Stump:
Better chance of collecting billions/ trillions of dollars by imposing tariffs on p*rn movies. Stump's new friends from the Islamic Republic of Terroristan will be spending their billions of dollars from their new found oil wealth.
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Keep off my pron
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Jamieson Greer - US Trade Rep claims India is starting to diversify its oil purchases away from Russia!
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How is a film defined as foreign? None of the blockbuster films are shot in US exclusively. Is it the studio office that makes it local or foreign? Actors are usually a mix of Brit , Americans and Canadians. Technicians? - a lot of CGI is outsourced to VFX houses in India.

What makes it US made?

This is all so bizzaire… and off the cuff.
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Starting 16:24, Ambassador Jawed Ashraf paints the relationship between India and US using very broad strokes. Key points
  • Deep institutional relationship in the trenches between US and Pakistan.
  • US has always been doing u-turns with Pakistan and he provides many examples.
  • Contours of India-US relationship has changed, India no longer as useful since Trump prefers to deal directly.
  • India showed it can be pushed around when it reduced oil purchases from Iran earlier.
  • Trump has given enough indicators of his intentions during his first term. We gauged Trump's second term incorrectly when FM said that world may be nervous about Trump but India is not amongst them.
Ambassador Rakesh Sood has a nice quip = "Agar aap mohalle ke chaudhari nahin hain toh aap shahar ke kotwal nahi ban sakte". If you cannot manage your neighbourhood, you don't get a seat at the big table.
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Tanaji wrote: 30 Sep 2025 23:58 How is a film defined as foreign? None of the blockbuster films are shot in US exclusively. Is it the studio office that makes it local or foreign? Actors are usually a mix of Brit , Americans and Canadians. Technicians? - a lot of CGI is outsourced to VFX houses in India.
All payment data will be in the books. They can easily separate the expenses and revenues by country.
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Trump has given enough indicators of his intentions during his first term. We gauged Trump's second term incorrectly when FM said that world may be nervous about Trump but India is not amongst them.
That is either brave words in the face of the inevitable (“India need not be nervous…”) or a colossal failure (gauged Trump’s second term incorrectly).
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^ I think most people underestimated how incoherent, irrational , irregular t2.0 will be . jaishankar wasn't wrong. Rest of the world is way more ****** including and especially the US . I am not so much worried about India because I know they'll be fine . I am worried about the Indian origin amreeki citizens and the scientific establishment here .
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I don't think India need be nervous even now. In terms of engineering political destabilization in India and its neighbourhood, there is very little Trump can do over and above what Biden's minders were already doing. Is Trump hindering India's economic trajectory? Sure-- but given the rate at which he is trashing the economic systems of the whole world, especially his own country, India may actually come out of this relatively better off than it was in 2024.

Regarding a 'colossal failure', would it have been preferable for Jaishankar to join representatives of the EU/Canada whine club for a performative bout of hand-wringing on the usual media networks when Trump was elected?

As for American citizens of Indian origin, they have to understand the bargain they made when they accepted a US passport and turned in their Lions. India will do what it can for you, but in terms of its priorities, you are last in line-- the interests of the 1.4 billion who live within its borders will always come first.
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What we are hearing a LOT less of these days, from all the usual Soros/Ford/Templeton-funded megaphones, is the banal repetition of nonsense about India's "democratic backsliding", "political repression" and so forth. No more Press Freedom Index, V-Dem Rating, or any of that garbage.

Chump and Kegs-breath called all the Amreeki Generals and Admirals from around the world to Washington for a Pep Talk today. Much of it was about how the US military should be loyal first and foremost to Chump-- in other words, a rousing appeal to embrace Pakistaniyat.

If American democracy keeps proceeding along its current trajectory-- and I've little doubt that it will-- the GOI should seize the opportunity to make some much-needed changes and seal off many lacunae of vulnerability that have plagued the Indian political system for a long time. Certain institutions have long required hollowing out and rebuilding from the bottom up. Certain individuals and organizations have received way too much rope for far too many years. Chump's antics inadvertently provide external political cover for the sorts of reforms that must be brought to bear with brute force if necessary. Internally, the rallying effect inspired by the perception of Chump's USA as a belligerent threat will provide domestic cover for what needs to be done.

India must grasp the moment and go full Yogi Adityanath on the sources of its chronic internal issues.
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Rudradevji
If reports are to be believed Chump and his Pet have told the Top Brass that there will be 20% Culling of their Brethren!
And no more woke infested Trans etc in the army!!
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“ There is no precise count available for the number of times Donald Trump mentioned raising tariffs during his 2024 campaign, but it was a central and frequently repeated theme of his platform. He discussed tariff increases at numerous rallies, in interviews, and on social media throughout the election cycle.”
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https://countercurrents.org/2025/09/the ... ge-tricks/
The Puppet Show of Power: India’s Defiance vs. Washington’s Stage Tricks
For decades, India’s strategic doctrine has been defined by one principle: autonomy. From Nehru’s non-alignment to Modi’s multi-alignment, New Delhi has consistently avoided becoming anybody’s junior partner. That doctrine has never been tested more sharply than today. The United States demands loyalty in its confrontation with Beijing, but India is not buying the ticket to someone else’s show. Instead, it continues to engage in BRICS and the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, balancing relations with Moscow and Beijing while exploiting cheap Russian crude to keep its economy humming.

This is not recklessness. It is cold calculation. India recognizes that its geography, markets, and population make it indispensable to everyone, and thus beholden to no one. It can afford to sit at all tables and pay no entry fee.
The irony here is delicious. Pakistan’s generals have long been experts at selling illusions—imagining themselves as guardians of Islam while quietly daydreaming of recognition from Tel Aviv. Their obsession with pleasing foreign masters has always outweighed any genuine concern for their own citizens or for the causes they pretend to champion. Gaza burns, but Rawalpindi yawns. The Pakistani people suffer, but the generals obsess over photo opportunities with American envoys and whispered compliments from Zionist lobbies.

That Washington would elevate such men as a tool against India tells you everything you need to know about American consistency. Yesterday’s nuisance is today’s partner; yesterday’s liability is today’s asset. Nothing in Pakistan has changed—except the usefulness of its generals as a lever against India. The dictatorship remains the same mix of corruption, cowardice, and incompetence it has always been. But now, courtesy of American tantrums over Indian independence, it gets to strut on the stage again.
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A_Gupta wrote: 01 Oct 2025 06:09
Trump has given enough indicators of his intentions during his first term. We gauged Trump's second term incorrectly when FM said that world may be nervous about Trump but India is not amongst them.
That is either brave words in the face of the inevitable (“India need not be nervous…”) or a colossal failure (gauged Trump’s second term incorrectly).
Definitely it was not brave words - no one was looking for those words from FM (does not matter for West or ROW, most people in India at least were positive). It was a failure, not colossal, but a failure nonetheless just like Trump misjudged Putin.
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A_Gupta wrote: 01 Oct 2025 06:09
That is either brave words in the face of the inevitable (“India need not be nervous…”) or a colossal failure (gauged Trump’s second term incorrectly).
It was neither brave nor even a failure.
Internationally, Trump & Co have single-handedly destroyed the entire relationship between the US and the rest-of-the-world, including all of the the most-prized Treaty Allies. This is especially so when Heil Trump's cabinet, especially the VP, resembles & behaves like the Reich's cabinet under Hitler. India could not have done anything to alter that, notwithstanding brave or timid words or even studied silence.
Domestically, it is total turmoil within US also. It is descending into chaos.
Overall, he has hastened even more rapidly the already-irreversibly-declining stature of the US.
Trump is officially presiding over the dissolution of Pax Americana by arrogantly declaring a new 'Monroe Doctrine', contrary to how it all built up from 1824.
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I don't know who this guy is, what his angle is; maybe the story he tells is as much spin as reality; but I love his this video.

Trump Attack BACKFIRES as India COOPERATES with EU, Japan, 4.5 million jobs saved
https://youtu.be/ti2ehj9QC20?si=UVzpcPQicScZIN-7
The strategic analysis behind this move in Washington must have been written on a cocktail napkin. It was a failure of thinking so predictable it's almost laughable. They clearly believed India was fragile. They believed that by squeezing these specific sectors they could cause mass unemployment, social unrest and force Prime Minister Narendra Modi to his knees. They thought he would have no choice but to capitulate to abandon India's independent foreign policy and bow to American demands. They saw a developing nation and assumed weakness. They saw a desire for multipolarity and branded it as defiance.

But this wasn't a strategic miscalculation that would imply there was a strategy to begin with. This was a purely emotional egotistical tantrum. The root cause was not trade deficits or geopolitical maneuvering. The root cause was arrogance. The infuriating belief that America gets to set the rules for everyone else and anyone who dares to chart their own course must be punished.

Trump's punch was aimed at India's economy, but his real target was its pride. And that right there was his fatal error. You don't threaten a civilization that has endured for 5,000 years with economic hardship and expect it to crumble. You only remind it of its own strength.

And in the beginning, the blow was devastating. Let's not pretend otherwise. The initial shock wave was brutal and it was felt most acutely by the most vulnerable. In Tamil Nadu and Uttar Pradesh, the heartlands of textile manufacturing factories fell silent. Over 2 million jobs were immediately endangered. Reports came in of mass layoffs of workers being sent on unpaid leave. The Confederation of Indian Textile Industry warned of lakhs of jobs, hundreds of thousands of livelihoods evaporating. In West Bengal alone, labor intensive units reported losses of rupee 45,000 crores, which is equivalent to 5.4 billion.

Imagine being an artisan in Surat or Jaipur. Your family having polished gems for generations. Suddenly, your main market representing 10 to 15 billion sees your products plummet by 70% in demand. Union leaders reported 50,000 layoffs almost immediately. These aren't just numbers on a spreadsheet. These are families, traditions, and entire communities built around a craft facing existential threats because of a political game being played thousands of miles away.

The nightmare rippled through the coastal regions of Andra Pradesh, where shrimp peelers saw their $3 billion export market face a 30% cost increase overnight, making them uncompetitive against rivals like Ecuador. In Agra and Kanpur, the hubs of India's massive footwear and leather industry, the second largest in the world, the impact was catastrophic. US exports, which sustained four million workers, dropped by half. At least 50 factories in Tamil Nadu's Amber region, a key hub, were forced to shut their doors. This was particularly devastating for women who make up 40% of the workforce in that sector. This was the intended outcome of Trump's policy. The suffering was not a side effect. It was the entire point.

The strategy was to inflict so much pain on the Indian people that they would pressure their government to surrender. It was a cruel, cynical, and deeply immoral tactic. The stock market wobbled, the rupee depreciated, and foreign institutional investment saw outflows of 28 billion. The vultures were circling, and the narrative being spun in the West was one of an India on the ropes about to be brought to heel.

But then something remarkable happened. While Washington waited for the surrender, New Delhi was drafting a masterpiece. While Trump was tweeting insults Modi was thinking. He did not retaliate in kind. He refused to get into a mud wrestling match, which is exactly what the bully wanted. A direct tariff for tariff fight would have only escalated the conflict and played into Trump's America first narrative.

Instead, Prime Minister Modi executed a strategic pivot so brilliant, so profound that it should be studied in business and political science classes for decades to come. He activated a national doctrine of resilience. He invoked the spirit of swadeshi. Now for those who don't know, swadeshi is not just a word. It's a movement, a philosophy embedded deep in the Indian soul. It means self-sufficiency born from the independence struggle against the British Empire. It's the idea that India's destiny will be forged by Indian hands for the Indian people. And what Modi did was launch a Swedeshi 2.0, a modern revival of this powerful ideal.
For the rest, you will have to listen.
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The global scramble for Indian talent - consequences of H1B fee hike.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo-BeEOAJ5k
India’s exports are defying the odds. Despite Donald Trump’s steep 50% tariffs on Indian goods, shipments surged nearly 7% in August, crossing $35 billion.
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The tariffs kicked in near end of August, so I suspect that the full effect isn’t yet observed. Also, exporters would have beat the tariffs by front ending exports.
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A_Gupta wrote: 03 Oct 2025 07:58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo-BeEOAJ5k
India’s exports are defying the odds. Despite Donald Trump’s steep 50% tariffs on Indian goods, shipments surged nearly 7% in August, crossing $35 billion.
Tariff being applied across the world must be helping. Even the traditional U.S suppliers like Canada, Mexico, EU and ASEAN are affected.
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Canada is already opening to H1B visa candidates. But Canada does not have the depth and cutting edge work that will entice Indians (Hindus). They will leave for the US as soon as these policies are reversed.
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sanjaykumar wrote: 03 Oct 2025 23:12 Canada is already opening to H1B visa candidates. But Canada does not have the depth and cutting edge work that will entice Indians (Hindus). They will leave for the US as soon as these policies are reversed.
Considering the intense anti-immigration climate in canada, and also thank to the thuglaq kalistani pasand brain dead morons that ended up in kanneda, I suspect this will be dead on arrival.
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sanjaykumar wrote: 03 Oct 2025 23:12 But Canada does not have the depth and cutting edge work that will entice Indians (Hindus).
But they are no slouches when it comes to research in Mathematics and Computer Science. They made fundamental contributions in Theoretical CS and Algorithms. Stephen Cook for proving 3SAT an NP Complete problem - the first problem - that opened up the way for Richard Karp of Berkeley to show a slew of other problems to be NP-complete by a method called polynomial time reductions. In fact, Jack Edmonds, Math professor at Waterloo made beginnings in Computational Complexity Theory five years before Cook-Levin Theorem (Leonidas Levin, a russian mathematician not at Boston Univ, who independently proved similar result as Cook) and the method of reduction.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 04 Oct 2025 01:32
sanjaykumar wrote: 03 Oct 2025 23:12 But Canada does not have the depth and cutting edge work that will entice Indians (Hindus).
But they are no slouches when it comes to research in Mathematics and Computer Science. They made fundamental contributions in Theoretical CS and Algorithms. Stephen Cook for proving 3SAT an NP Complete problem - the first problem - that opened up the way for Richard Karp of Berkeley to show a slew of other problems to be NP-complete by a method called polynomial time reductions. In fact, Jack Edmonds, Math professor at Waterloo made beginnings in Computational Complexity Theory five years before Cook-Levin Theorem (Leonidas Levin, a russian mathematician not at Boston Univ, who independently proved similar result as Cook) and the method of reduction.
If someone is operating on that level, they do not need a H1B, they can apply for an O1 visa.
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Putin is to visit Delhi on December 5th. He has largely avoided traveling outside Russia (including to the BRICS summit in Brazil) on account of the ICC warrant against him, only making exceptions to visit PRC and a few other countries.

Best case scenario, Chump and his team will raise India's decision to ignore the ICC warrant as a pressure tactic in ongoing trade negotiations.

Worst case-- three-letter agencies will see that Putin and Modi are going to be in the same location on Indian territory, and get ideas that Chump may sign off on. There could be gains for the US on multiple fronts if the worst happens during this visit. Hope security will be watertight.
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^^^US does not recognise ICC jurisdiction itself and in fact has a invade-the-Hague law as well if any of its officials are arrested. It will be highly hypocritical for them to point fingers at Bharat.
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pravula wrote: 04 Oct 2025 01:45 If someone is operating on that level, they do not need a H1B, they can apply for an O1 visa.
I know. But my point is Canada does cutting edge stuff. Ofcourse, it depends on the definition of "cutting edge".
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Tanaji wrote: 04 Oct 2025 02:00 ^^^US does not recognise ICC jurisdiction itself and in fact has a invade-the-Hague law as well if any of its officials are arrested. It will be highly hypocritical for them to point fingers at Bharat.
I was in a Google group which was heavily subscribed by US veterans. Somebody was saying that Dubya and Cheney are war criminals as per ICC/ICJ or whatever. One ex-marine said "OK. They can come get them". :wink:

Same goes for US three letter agencies. They can try to get Putin from Dehli. 8)
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Isn't Jeff Hinton in canadistan these dins ?
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Tanaji wrote: 04 Oct 2025 02:00 ^^^US does not recognise ICC jurisdiction itself and in fact has a invade-the-Hague law as well if any of its officials are arrested. It will be highly hypocritical for them to point fingers at Bharat.
Will hypocrisy about ICC matter to a Chump regime that does $2.5B (and increasing) amount of trade with Russia, but sanctions India for buying Russian oil?
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Vast majority of H1Bs work in the applications of computer science, not computer science per se.
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sanjaykumar wrote: 04 Oct 2025 03:11 Vast majority of H1Bs work in the applications of computer science, not computer science per se.
All moot. There would be no significant H1B program in Kanneda even if there were a thriving tech industry. Insane numbers of work permits granted for window washers, delivery drivers, restaurant wait staff, and of course claimed asylum seekers— all for the benefit of thwadda Khalistanis— has created such extreme & widespread hostility towards immigration, specifically from India, that no one dare propose filling actual lacunae in the job market with actually qualified skilled guest workers.
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There is increased anti migration commentary but not much change on the ground. The Sikhs were imported wholesale by Trudeau to vote for him. Of course there was abuse on both sides.

I happen to interact with white Canadians professionally. Things are still civilised. Of course it might be different if I were to don a turban and speak broken English or wear indifferent clothing. As I have reported previously, class makes race/ethnicity elastic.

It still doesn’t in the US. Britain is on the threshold, in a liminal space. Sikhs in Canada are becoming like the Muslims in Britain. Politics, education, upward mobility, crime. The parallels are striking. The subnationality identity is still too politically sensitive to declare publically, but I now see men wearing the tilak publically.

The next step in the immigration debate in Canada will likely include subnationality. I do not see myself as a votary of any mythical brown solidarity against the oppressor.
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gakakkad wrote: 04 Oct 2025 02:48 Isn't Jeff Hinton in canadistan these dins ?
Yes. Also several founders of Silly-con valley companies have given up their US citizenship just a year before their startups went public; to escape the US tax. Canada, unlike maassaa, doesn't tax foreign earnings as long as they are not brought back to Canada AFAIK.
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