Indian Army News & Discussion - 23 March 2021

[Jay]

This is sheer nonsense.

Just see the trouble that Baba Kalyani of Bharat Forge, Pune had to take, just to get the Indian Army to notice his artillery gun

Any update of his meeting with the PM and senior cabinet ministers

This is one of the reasons why I hold people like General PR Shankar of Gunner's shot in contempt. They harmed the nation more than they helped the nation and now they get to peddle BS on youtube as if they have immense knowledge on everything.

[wig]

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/india/fi ... 1ba6&ei=56

First in Operation Sindoor: ‘Red teams’ of experts to map ‘mind of adversary’
excerpts

For the first time, Operation Sindoor — the military strike launched by India earlier this month against terror targets in Pakistan — employed the concept of “red teaming” as part of its operational planning, The Indian Express has learnt.

Red teaming involves embedding a small group of experts familiar with the adversary’s mindset, tactics and response patterns into the planning process. Their role is to critically challenge the plan, simulate enemy reactions, and help test the robustness of the intended military strategy.

According to sources, this is the first time the Indian military has tested this concept in an actual operation, marking a shift in India’s strategic doctrine, bringing in a more dynamic and anticipatory approach to such cross-border operation
It is learnt that the red team embedded in the broader planning process comprised five senior officers drawn from different commands and postings across the country.

some more details

Sources said the concept was introduced following the Army Commanders' Conference in October 2024, after which a group of 15 officers underwent specialised training in red teaming. A roadmap has now been drawn up to expand and formalise the 'Vidur Vakta' programme over the next two years, they said. The aim is to build in-house expertise and eventually reduce dependence on foreign trainers.

In May last year, as first reported by The Indian Express, the Army had begun exploring the feasibility of creating a dedicated unit to function as an adversarial force -- OPFOR (Opposing Force) -- to conduct realistic wargaming and enhance combat preparedness. Several militaries, including in the US, have long employed such units to simulate enemy behaviour during training exercises.

The Army already has a REDFOR (red forces) unit within its training command (ARTRAC) headquartered in Shimla, which is responsible for vetting wargame plans and simulations -- typically conducted on paper or using sand models -- and for laying down the parameters and terms of reference within which these exercises are to be planned and executed.

However, officials explained that while REDFOR simulates adversary tactics and is a tool used for training, the red team studies own plans and their impact on the adversary, and the adversary’s gauged reaction at every step

[A Sharma]

Indian Army tests killer drones, electronic warfare tools in combat trials across country

[Sachin]

Ojit Singh is Army’s 1st Command Subedar Major, to advise Northern Command chief on JCO, OR matters
BR may need to find the rank insignia for this appointment. And IA seems to have taken a leaf out of the books of US forces, where they have Sergeant Major of the Army etc.

[chetak]

Ojit Singh is Army’s 1st Command Subedar Major, to advise Northern Command chief on JCO, OR matters
BR may need to find the rank insignia for this appointment. And IA seems to have taken a leaf out of the books of US forces, where they have Sergeant Major of the Army etc.

Sachin ji,

The amrikis have had such a system for a long time now.

the paki army has, since long, been aping the amrikis in matters of uniforms, shoes and lipstick, right down to the details on how to lose wars ...

[Rakesh]

Indian Army to get Rs 30,000 crore QRSAM air defence missile system boost
https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 609191201/
09 June 2025

[A Sharma]

More teeth for Indian Army: Homemade ‘Shatrunash’ and ‘Agniastra’ set to redefine battlefield tactics

[Rakesh]

Minesweepers, Rs 30,000 Cr QR-SAM Deal: Rajnath Sing-Led Top Defence Panel to Review Major Buys on July 1
https://www.timesnownews.com/india/mine ... -152156674
26 June 2025

The Defence Acquisition Council, led by Rajnath Singh, will convene on July 1 to discuss acquiring new minesweepers for the Navy and QR Sam systems for the Army.

[srin]

This is a literal gold mine. Role of Army during Sindhoor. Has everything from ASLV, armor, IFG, 130mm (thought they were all getting upgraded), anti drone systems.

[chetak]

tissue paper doesn't know that there is Wellington in India, where some of the best officers of Indian Armed Forces are trained

Field Marshal Sam Bahadur is buried in the Parsi Zoroastrian Cemetery in Udhagamandalam, Wellington (Ooty), Tamil Nadu, adjacent to his wife's grave

[A Sharma]

Indian Army's Rs 2,000 crore radar deal: What can Air Defence Fire Control Radars or ADFCR do?

[srin]

This is big. Didn't see much coverage so far.
'New All-Arms Brigades Being Formed': Army Chief Announces 'Rudra' On Kargil Vijay Diwas

Under this, new all-arms brigades named ‘Rudra’ are being formed, and I approved it yesterday. This will have fighting components like infantry, mechanised infantry, armored units, artillery, special forces, and unmanned aerial systems, supported by tailored logistics and combat support,"

“Similarly, agile and lethal special forces units, ‘Bhairav’ Light Commando Battalions, have been established to shock the enemy on the border. Every infantry battalion now includes Drone Platoons, while artillery has enhanced its firepower manifold through ‘Divyastra Batteries’ and Loiter Munition Batteries. Army Air Defence is being equipped with indigenous missile systems.

Sources told CNN-News18 that two infantry brigades have already been converted into Rudra Brigades. Till now, the Army used to have only arm-specific brigades, but Rudra will be a mix of arms.

[rohitvats]

Explained - New Leh to Daulat Beg Oldi Road

In this episode of The Perspective, I will explain the importance of the new road built by Border Roads Organization to connect Daulat Beg Oldi Sector with rest of Ladakh.

Not only that, I will also show other measures taken by the Border Road Organization to reduce risk of Chinese interference and improve connectivity with DBO Sector.

[VinodTK]

^^^ Thanks for the detailed explanation.

[bala]

Major Gaurav Arya explains Rudra and Bhairav brigades of the Indian Army. Rudra Brigade is one of the most forward looking step taken by the Army, making Indian forces self sufficient to defend & tackle the challenges of modern warfare, which requires agility, quick deployment & quick decision making. In warfare the logistics tail is hugely important, the right material delivered at the right time wins wars. India is also integrated with Akash Teer across all three - army, airforce and navy. A quick foray into enemy territory by IA means Rudra and Bhairav are the right strategy of formations to execute. A Rudra brigade will have infantry, artillery, mechanical forces, special forces and drone units. Of course Signals, EME and Logistics support are part of the brigade of roughly 3000 people.

This restructuring is across the entire Army. A new paradigm indeed for the young recruit and officer.

Rudra & Bhairav: India’s New Nightmare for Enemy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn_JUnj22BQ

[Kanoji]

Posting this video on the no so good state of IT systems adoption in our military as stated by veterans.
No Indian Operating System: A Threat to National Security? | Lt Col Pavithran Rajan (Retd)

[Vayutuvan]

Explained - New Leh to Daulat Beg Oldi Road

In this episode of The Perspective, I will explain the importance of the new road built by Border Roads Organization to connect Daulat Beg Oldi Sector with rest of Ladakh.

Not only that, I will also show other measures taken by the Border Road Organization to reduce risk of Chinese interference and improve connectivity with DBO Sector.

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Excellent video. I have one question though.

Why are we not building roads on the ridges? High ground and all that. Is it because it is harder to build on the mountain ridges and/or because of the rarified atmosphere? River valleys are naturally protected by the mountains from enemy arti is a bonus. But with satellites watching every move, is that such a big advantage? They can certainly finetune targeting from the other side of the mountains.

[uddu]

Vande Mataram

A soldier lives for the nation and with unflinching resolve lays down his life to defend the motherland. His courage, sacrifice and unwavering devotion to duty embody the true spirit of Vande Mataram — the call of the motherland.

This video is a tribute to the indomitable will and supreme sacrifice of the Bravehearts who defend the nation, come what may.

[uddu]

Bullet Proof Jacket: SMPP ने बनाए 13,000+ खास सिख हेलमेट्स, 50,000 बुलेटप्रूफ जैकेट्स का बड़ा ऑर्डर

SMPP ने भारतीय सेना और अन्य सुरक्षा बलों को 3 लाख से अधिक बुलेटप्रूफ जैकेट्स (BPJs) और 2 लाख से अधिक हेलमेट्स की आपूर्ति की है। इसके अलावा, कंपनी ने 13,000 से अधिक विशेष सिख हेलमेट्स भी तैयार और सप्लाई किए हैं, जो पगड़ी के साथ पहने जा सकें और सैनिकों को पूरी बैलिस्टिक सुरक्षा प्रदान करें।

[uddu]

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[chetak]

Samuel Kamalesan was commissioned in Indian Army as a Lieutenant in the 3rd Cavalry Regiment.

He was made the Troop Leader of Squadron B which comprises of Sikh Personnel.

He refused to take part in Hindu/Sikh regimental parades


Delhi High Court Upholds Termination Of Christian Indian Army Officer Who Refused To Fully Participate In Weekly Religious Parades


https://www.livelaw.in/high-court/delhi ... des-293929

[Manish_P]

^ He can claim asylum in the west citing religious persecution.

[Prem Kumar]

^Proof, if one was needed, that the Indian Army is pluralistic *only because* its majority Hindu. Its sad to see how even Army Officers forget this

The Paki Army promotes Jihad
The US Army promotes Christianity

[nishant.gupta]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 325790.cms

Army places an order for emergency purchase of 6 AK-630 systems. More systems expected to follow.

Operation Sindoor has definitely helped us to understand where our gaps could be and we are thankfully fast tracking our purchases before phase 2 begins.

[Aditya_V]

This good news, IAF should also use these to take out Drones, PGM's etc from hitting High value Targets in addition to SAM's, Manpads etc.

My wish list is that we convert some of the GSH 30mm Mig 27 cannons to be ground Vehicle Mounted and unleash them on the LOC/ IB

[SRajesh]

Also how well prepared are we for an asymmetric warfare, especially when facing the Northern Horde!
Here is a take on how we could make it difficult for Xi and his horde if they decide to reapeat a '62!
https://swarajyamag.com/world/india-can ... ic-warfare
Also we raised about 7 or more regiments of M777
Havent heard of any poor workmanship or barrel bursting of these Uber-Ulla guns!!
If I remember Kalyani had two cheaper options One titanium and other Iron gun
Also our home grown Drones and armmed variants integration in the Mountain Brigade!!
How effective are LCH in the Eastern Sector especially in the Mountain warfare, meaning maneuverability in the narrow vallyes and passes

[Manish_P]

This good news, IAF should also use these to take out Drones, PGM's etc from hitting High value Targets in addition to SAM's, Manpads etc.
...

+1.

These multi-barelled rotary guns are good as the last wall of defence. The next wall is served by the 40 mm solutions like the old Bofors L-60 (which we also have), the modern 35 mm Rheinmetal Skyshield/Skyranger systems etc.

The outermost wall will typically be the missile based SHORADs.

With drone proliferation to be expected in hundreds of multiples of manned aircraft, these 'gun' based solutions are needed, in numbers.

[Manish_P]

...
Also we raised about 7 or more regiments of M777
Havent heard of any poor workmanship or barrel bursting of these Uber-Ulla guns!!
...

Did happen and was covered in these forums as well.

I believe posters like Ramana ji did a deep investigation on possible causes.

IIRC the official investigation found that a defective shell had caused that incident.

[srin]

They should also look at land based version of higher calibre naval gun like Oto 76mm, as an outer layer of defence. Shell for shell, it will be much cheaper than short range missiles

[vonkabra]

Army places an order for emergency purchase of 6 AK-630 systems. More systems expected to follow.

If the system has passed tests, why are only 6 being ordered, even for the first tranche? With the number of locations to be defended, why can't a large order be placed for the first lot itself to encourage manufacturers to invest in production capacity?

[Tanaji]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 325790.cms

Army places an order for emergency purchase of 6 AK-630 systems. More systems expected to follow.

Operation Sindoor has definitely helped us to understand where our gaps could be and we are thankfully fast tracking our purchases before phase 2 begins.

Isnt this a naval CIWS with quite a heavy mount? So not at all portable?

[VinodTK]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 325790.cms

Army places an order for emergency purchase of 6 AK-630 systems. More systems expected to follow.

Operation Sindoor has definitely helped us to understand where our gaps could be and we are thankfully fast tracking our purchases before phase 2 begins.

Isnt this a naval CIWS with quite a heavy mount? So not at all portable?

Can be truck mounted:
https://www.google.com/imgres?q=6%20AK- ... 3oFCIgBEAA

[Tanaji]

^^^ Thanks, I was not aware. The photos make it look like a jhugaad though. But if it works, then who are we to crib?

6 is a small number though?