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Thanks chetakji.

Regarding Pasni, no consortium will be stupid enough to set up a port in Pasni. Its even worse of a proposition than mining REE in Pakistan. If Gwadar is operative then Pasni has little viability except as a means to export REE ore or as a military base.
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I'd be very happy if the yanks tried .
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So from last 4 Sundays ., India cricket teams (Men and Women) have been defeating Pakistan. Today Indian women defeated Pakistan by 88 runs in women's cricket world cup
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Tanaji wrote: 05 Oct 2025 22:05 Thanks chetakji.

Regarding Pasni, no consortium will be stupid enough to set up a port in Pasni. Its even worse of a proposition than mining REE in Pakistan. If Gwadar is operative then Pasni has little viability except as a means to export REE ore or as a military base.
If Gwadar is operative
The way pieces are being moved on the chessboard, one never knows. Plus the aspect of military base is always there.
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chetak wrote: 03 Oct 2025 19:25

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Senator Aimal Wali Khan tears into Army Chief Asim Munir’s US trip —
Mocks him as a “salesman” hawking rare earths to Trump
Somehow, the above pic reminds me of the scenes from "Are You Being Served' sitcom from the 80s ... :D
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RCase wrote: 06 Oct 2025 01:31 ...
Somehow, the above pic reminds me of the scenes from "Are You Being Served' sitcom from the 80s ... :D
From left to right - Young Mr. Grace, Mr. Humphries, Captain Peacock and Mr. Rumbold
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First off Gwadar has the lowest throughput in the region. The reason is very simple, there is absolutely no real connectivity to any large consuming market and Chinese dream of using Pakistani land route to connect with her markets in still a dream. Problem as always is terrorist infested Land of the pure. Now to what purpose will US companies invest in building another port nearby?

Another Navy base in the region is just additional expense. Americans have enough capacity in the middle east to take care of Iran if needed. Going for a ground op against Iran is another expensive affair that khan land simply cannot afford. Paki land is useful only that way. Using Pakis as a India containment strategy has been counter productive. Instead of containing India, they have provoked India to become a more challenging hard power in the region.

Pakis are also playing with fire, since they are throwing China under the bus. So my prediction is all these blustering announcements will come to its logical conclusion. In a few years Americans and the Chinese are going to dump them as a basket case.
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williams wrote: 06 Oct 2025 07:51 First off Gwadar has the lowest throughput in the region. The reason is very simple, there is absolutely no real connectivity to any large consuming market...
william ji, I thought Gwadar is more geostrategic in that China has access to a warm water port at the mouth of the gulf (of Arabia).
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Vayutuvan wrote: 06 Oct 2025 07:59
williams wrote: 06 Oct 2025 07:51 First off Gwadar has the lowest throughput in the region. The reason is very simple, there is absolutely no real connectivity to any large consuming market...
william ji, I thought Gwadar is more geostrategic in that China has access to a warm water port at the mouth of the gulf (of Arabia).
Sure that was the dream but it is logistically unsustainable. From mainland China, Kashgar is around 2000 km and from there is a 1800 km treacherous road journey to Gwadar. From south China sea, Chinese ships needs to travel more than 5000 nautical miles. Honestly the sea route is much safer in peace time. As usual Pakis sold the Chinese their fantasies and China brought it at that time. In war time, this place cannot be sustained by the Chinese. It will take less than 24 hours for IN to blockade the whole area and India has the capacity to take a few bridges that run in Gilgit-Baltistan. So any Chinese base operation in Gwadar is a waste of time, unless it is a large enough force to deter IN western fleet.

Basically without peaceful cooperation with India, Paki central asian connectivity is useless. With the terrorists havens, connectivity to Kashgar is also useless. They are selling more fantasies to the Americans now. Point is without India maintaining neutrality, Paki land is useless.
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The main purpose for Americans to "invest" in Pakistan is to munch off the money and make their own corrupt fortunes. Under Trump such corruption is extremely feasible compared to previous regimes, where it could not be done openly without a scandal.
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Pakistan 28 October 2008 Crescent of Pakistan[5][6]

Guess who? Who else but our own Biden mian.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 06 Oct 2025 07:59
williams wrote: 06 Oct 2025 07:51 First off Gwadar has the lowest throughput in the region. The reason is very simple, there is absolutely no real connectivity to any large consuming market...
william ji, I thought Gwadar is more geostrategic in that China has access to a warm water port at the mouth of the gulf (of Arabia).

Vayutuvan ji,

The raison d'être for gwadar was/is two fold

One, it is/was meant to bypass the malacca trap, and two, as a forward sea base, it is/was meant to provide cheen with a strategically located naval presence, that would also incorporate strategic air and land based missile assets, long range military resources that could be used to protect their SLOC in military and logistics contexts, by forward sea basing of high performance naval assets, and other prepositioned equipment, that could also be close at hand for antipiracy operations, or other hostile actions against them.

Such a forward sea base would be used to repair, refit, and replenish their naval/air assets and provide R&R for their crews, and much reduce critical turn around times to provide continuity for their military agenda by maintaining time on task objectives. It would help with power projection in the region

Their initial objective of gwadar was to alter the regional power dynamics, by developing the capability of a rapidly projecting military power, that would allow them to achieve full spectrum dominance over any situation or against any adversary.

The cheen have been obsessed since some centuries to either avoid the malacca trap by developing an alternate route or to somehow dominate the malacca straits in such a way so as to render it ineffective as a choke hold against them

That objective still remains a pipe dream because the balouch crapped on the middle kingdom, rendering them (for the time being) hors de combat

gwadar was never actually meant for commercial use, even though that would have been an added and welcome bonus to underwrite operating costs
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The whole thing makes no sense. Gwadar, Chabhar and Pasni bay are all roughly in a same line on the map. Of these, Pasni is still a back water, Chabhar is coming along and Gwadar is most further along. If Chabhar gets finished, commercially there is no viability for Pasni.

Militarily, even the US does not have enough need or funds to start up a completely new port at Pasni.
I think A_Gupta has put it correctly - this is just another scam to make money.
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Tanaji wrote: 06 Oct 2025 12:47 The whole thing makes no sense. Gwadar, Chabhar and Pasni bay are all roughly in a same line on the map. Of these, Pasni is still a back water, Chabhar is coming along and Gwadar is most further along. If Chabhar gets finished, commercially there is no viability for Pasni.

Militarily, even the US does not have enough need or funds to start up a completely new port at Pasni.
I think A_Gupta has put it correctly - this is just another scam to make money.





Tanaji saar,

these are not commercial assets built for economic viability, to act as profit centers

They are geopolitical assets with underpinned military objectives

Why on earth would the amrikis want a port in the back of the beyond boondocks, far away from the shipping lanes, if profit was their motive

If they don't manage to prise bagram away from the afghans, backwaters pasni could be the fall back

their hasty withdrawal from many areas of the globe has compromised their geopolitical dominance, allowing the cheen to replace them in many theatres

gwadar, chabahar and pasni, all have different owners, each with their own agendas and all three owners are at cross purposes with each other

Why did the amrikis regime change the beedis, the "story" is that they wanted st martins island for a military base.

In actual fact, this turd of an "island" cannot even support a tiny listening post, let alone a naval base.

Even a quadriplegic, on this fabled st martin's island, could on his own, in his rusty wheel chair, traverse end to end in any direction, in under 20 minutes.

all countries around India have been regime changed, and because nothing happens without an interconnected reason, even if such a reason is not immediately visible

no one can deny that there are multiple regime change operations currently under way in India, as indeed said operations started with the "farmers" agitation and continued thereafter. The toolkits in bareilly and ladakh are very similar, just to mention two of the latest ones

BTW, if India decouples from the QUAD, they will need unhindered access to beedi and paki ports and they have cultivated two house ni**ers in the personages of youanus and the failed marshal to ensure that this happy situation comes about. This is a loose end that may need to be tied up, especially if things go south with the cheen and the amrikis are faced with a kinetic situation, vis-a-vis cheen

If India is out of the QUAD, the amrikis may well have assured access to local (paki & beedi) boots on the ground, along with the ports that they will need and the safe beach heads to stage from

pliss, not to miss the woods for the trees, and in geopolitics, "WYSINWYG" .................. :mrgreen:
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https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2025/1 ... an%20Today
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Sunday dismissed reports that it had offered the United States to build and operate a proposed port at Pasni, clarifying that there had been no official communication with Washington and any conversations on the matter were “purely exploratory,” according state-run Pakistan TV citing a senior security official.
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Vice Admiral Shekhar Sinha (retired), who was the head of the Indian Navy’s Western Naval Command with the Arabian Sea as its operational area, opined that the US does not need Pasni for a foothold in the region.

“The 5th fleet is located in Bahrain, from where the US exercises great control over the Arabian Sea. Take the present situation – isn’t the US the most powerful navy in the Arabian Sea?” Vice Admiral said in response to a query from the EurAsian Times.

He added, “Gwadar is next door, which is by and large Chinese. It will put the US and China in a direct face-off, which is tactically not a sound situation.”

Another Indian Navy veteran, Commodore Anil Jai Singh (retired), concurred with his opinion. He told the EurAsian Times: “Given the great power contest likely to take place in the Indian Ocean, the project is fraught with risk.


Commodore Singh added: “China will not let Pakistan give naval base facilities to the US so close to Gwadar… Pakistan will require China’s tacit approval.” Also, he remained skeptical about whether the proposal is to give a port or a port terminal to the US.
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/pak-offer ... -operated/
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A_Gupta wrote: 06 Oct 2025 17:38
Vice Admiral Shekhar Sinha (retired), who was the head of the Indian Navy’s Western Naval Command with the Arabian Sea as its operational area, opined that the US does not need Pasni for a foothold in the region.

“The 5th fleet is located in Bahrain, from where the US exercises great control over the Arabian Sea. Take the present situation – isn’t the US the most powerful navy in the Arabian Sea?” Vice Admiral said in response to a query from the EurAsian Times.

He added, “Gwadar is next door, which is by and large Chinese. It will put the US and China in a direct face-off, which is tactically not a sound situation.”

Another Indian Navy veteran, Commodore Anil Jai Singh (retired), concurred with his opinion. He told the EurAsian Times: “Given the great power contest likely to take place in the Indian Ocean, the project is fraught with risk.


Commodore Singh added: “China will not let Pakistan give naval base facilities to the US so close to Gwadar… Pakistan will require China’s tacit approval.” Also, he remained skeptical about whether the proposal is to give a port or a port terminal to the US.
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/pak-offer ... -operated/


A_Gupta ji,

the "gelf" is fast becoming unfriendly towards the amrikis

trump's geopolitical contortions in the region has soured many who were once friendly and sympathetic to the amriki leadership

the eyeraaab leadership who once heavily depended on them to keep israel leashed, and provide their kingdoms with security, are now finding the amrikis untrustworthy and undependable

the attack on qatar and eyraaaq has also set the cat among the amriki pigeons

sinha's views may have a short shelf life
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https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/1st-rar ... _topscroll

How did they manage to ship ore so soon? Also was it like 10 kg or something that someone checked into luggage?
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A_Gupta wrote: 06 Oct 2025 17:26 https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2025/1 ... an%20Today
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Sunday dismissed reports that it had offered the United States to build and operate a proposed port at Pasni, clarifying that there had been no official communication with Washington and any conversations on the matter were “purely exploratory,” according state-run Pakistan TV citing a senior security official.

A_Gupta ji,


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2 tons of ore.

Sir Humphrey’s observation has a certain scope of application.
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In any case, strategic assessments should be made based on reality, not on crappy press releases from Islamabad or Trump’s Truth Social.

If you don’t agree, please deal with Indian loss of 3, no 4, no 5, no 6, no 7 aircraft; Pakistan’s victory in Operation Bunyan Marsoos, India’s backing of the TTP Taliban and upcoming FATF sanctions; that Trump has had $17 trillion of FDI into the US in 8 months; that he has lowered the prices of some medications by 1500%; that Portland, Oregon is a war-ravaged city from a war not in those seven wars that Trump ended; and so on and so forth.
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chetak wrote: 06 Oct 2025 10:52 That objective still remains a pipe dream because the balouch crapped on the middle kingdom, rendering them (for the time being) hors de combat
So the US is actually helping Cheen by declaring BLA to be a terrorist organization. That lets Pakis act against all Balouch without restraint by declaring them BLA.
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Pakistan plans to double manpower exports to Saudi Arabia after landmark defense deal


https://www.arabnews.pk/node/2617939/pakistan.

In the last fiscal year, Pakistan recorded $38.3 billion workers’ remittances — an $8 billion increase from the previous year, surpassing the country’s $7 billion International Monetary Fund (IMF) loan program.
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Donkey and khuspoo included or will that be separate deal ?Khuspoo as we all know is dual use takniki
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After we learned that Pakistan had a bigger trade deficit than they admitted to the IMF, and the IMF wants an explanation, I would take any Pakistani statistics with huge skepticism.
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Tanaji wrote: 06 Oct 2025 20:27 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/1st-rar ... _topscroll
How did they manage to ship ore so soon? Also was it like 10 kg or something that someone checked into luggage?


Tanaji saar,

That ore is useless in the sense that the amrikis cannot handle it in the US and extract the RE content that is present

They simply do not have the facilities to do so, only the cheen have it . So the amrikis will have to ship it to cheen to get it processed

The pakis know this
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No bids for 22 out of 23 oil & gas blocks

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/13486 ... gas-blocks
ISLAMABAD: No bids were received for 22 out of 23 oil and gas exploration blocks in the country’s latest petroleum licensing round, it is learnt.

The Directorate General of Petroleum Concessions (DGPC) opened the bids on October 2, 2025, only to find that only one company—Mari Energy—submitted a bid, and that too for a single block with a mere 131 work units. No international or other domestic exploration and production (E&P) companies participated.
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The government had offered 23 onshore blocks across Balochistan, Sindh, Punjab, and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK) covering an estimated 55,000 square kilometers of sedimentary basin—an area rich in hydrocarbon potential.

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since these attacks are too frequent (almost as many as mass shootings in unkil ) its hard to keep track of individual incidences. I've compiled an aggregate list using various LLMs

Major Terror Attacks in Pakistan (August 1 - October 8, 2025)August 13, Mamund, Bajaur District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Description: Mortar attack on a house during military operation against TTP militants.
Group Claimed: Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP)
Casualties: 3 civilians killed; unknown injured
Source: Wikipedia

August (various, ~143 incidents), Multiple locations (KP and Balochistan) Description: Coordinated militant attacks including ambushes on security forces, IED blasts, and raids; deadliest month in over a decade.
Group Claimed: TTP, Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA), others
Casualties: ~200+ total (including ~70 security forces, civilians, militants); exact per-incident breakdown unavailable
Sources: Pakistan Institute for Conflict and Security Studies (PICSS), X Post ID:67

September 2, Frontier Constabulary HQ, Bannu, KP Description: Armed assault on paramilitary headquarters by TTP militants.
Group Claimed: TTP
Casualties: Unknown immediate; part of broader clashes killing 19 soldiers over days
Source: PICSS

September 10-13, South Waziristan and other areas, KP (near Afghan border) Description: Raids on three TTP hideouts; fierce clashes over two days.
Group Claimed: TTP
Casualties: 12-19 soldiers + 35-45 militants killed; unknown injured
Sources: Wikipedia, South Asia Terrorism Portal (SATP), X Post ID:83

September 13, Bannu, KP Description: Follow-up clashes from raids; PM Sharif visited site amid ongoing insurgency.
Group Claimed: TTP
Casualties: Included in above (total 19 soldiers); ~10+ militants
Sources: PICSS, Al Jazeera

September 30, Quetta, Balochistan Description: Suicide bombing near paramilitary headquarters (Frontier Corps).
Group Claimed: BLA (suspected)
Casualties: 10 killed (including 4 attackers); 32+ injured
Sources: PICSS, SATP, Dawn

October 7, Near Sultankot (Sindh-Balochistan border) Description: IED explosion targeting Jaffar Express train from Peshawar to Quetta; 5-6 bogies derailed.
Group Claimed: Baloch Republican Guard (BRG, BLA affiliate)
Casualties: Several injured (no confirmed deaths); passengers safe overall
Sources: X Post ID:54, X Post ID:63

Notes: Total estimated deaths from major incidents: ~150 (civilians, security forces, militants).
August was the deadliest month with 143 attacks (PICSS).
TTP claimed 359 attacks in September alone; BLA targeted infrastructure in Balochistan.
Data cross-referenced from Wikipedia, PICSS, SATP, Al Jazeera, Dawn, and X posts. For real-time updates, check PICSS or SATP databases.


seems like its perpetual ied mubarak.

i think we should map the frequency of the pork getting slow cooked.

wouldn't be surprised if they are sending 2k + uniformed people to djannat on an annual bases.
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