Terroristan - March 31, 2022

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Oct 2025 14:33

Do the Saudis get pulled into an Afghan-Pakistan war - defense treaty and all?

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 12 Oct 2025 15:25

A_Gupta wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 14:33 Do the Saudis get pulled into an Afghan-Pakistan war - defense treaty and all?

Interesting question. If Pak wants help, it implies they can't handle some Afghan militants on their own.
If Saudi can't help against Afg, they certainly won't against India.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 12 Oct 2025 15:44

Taliban claims 58 Pak soldiers killed in their retaliatory attacks. (BBC/ Al Jazeera).
9 dead on the Taliban side.

Pak will now claim that Afghanistan lost 7 Rafales.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 12 Oct 2025 16:59

I don't foresee any oil slick m/billionaire saudis risking their lives by fighting Afghans or anyone else. Thats what Munir's heeramandi has been and is for.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 12 Oct 2025 17:52

Saudi-Paki-Amriki deal is pretty clear. Each brings to the war table what they have plenty of.

Saudis cash. Pakis Abduls. Amrikis weapons.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 12 Oct 2025 17:59

More neutral reporting by BBC for this clash of momeens than it was for op sindoor.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 12 Oct 2025 19:17

Shared some thoughts on Afghan Foreign Minister's visit to India and some related issues.
Blog Link
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(There are a few embedded links and videos etc that I am unable to replicate here. They can be viewed on the blog / twitter)

the reason this short clip of the Army Chief piqued my interest was the fact that he wasn’t the first one or the only one from the highest echelons speaking thus. In fact, the first such instance was Prime Minister himself when he promised the Navy their dues in next round!
What has followed since are similar statements:
EAM : PoK is an integral part of India and will return to India.
CAS : Manohar Kahaniyan (Don’t miss the part about planning for next round!)
And Raksha Mantri : Road to Karachi goes via Sir Creek.

Feel free to disagree but IMO, this is as good an announcement of what has already been planned for the inevitable next round as and when it happens. When does it happen, is something only the ‘powers that be’ would be privy to. All I can guess is that it is a matter of mere months.

And dare I say, the Brown Panted Ones too have gotten the message.

Of course the alacrity with which the Bhikharistanis acted to secure moral and diplomatic support for their otherwise bankrupt country and its Brown Panted Aand Forces was yet another giveaway of the very real anxiety.

‘We have rare earths‘, said the Brown Pants Chief to POTUS Ji during that meeting. Seeing the orange head bob up & down in excitement, the Brown Panted One continued .. ‘So rare are they Janab, that even our old Abbu, the Chinese were not able to find them!‘ ‘In fact we too are still searching Ji‘

They offered not just a shipment of tonnes of ore to Amreeka, but also a whole new port at Pasni to do that. Of course, the Amreekis would be expected to develop that port by their own money because .. well .. BHIKHARISTAN doesn’t have any!

‘So happy is our Dearest Newest Pitaji that they are also supplying us the latest AMRAAM Missiles’, said the Brown Panted Ones to their awam that was still lining up for free atta!

‘NOW let us see how ‘Endia’ will administer the next slap in Sindoor 2′, they crowed to themselves!

However, the next slap started not with a fresh volley of Brahmos Missiles, but with a tweet by the Indian Prime Minister to his friend President Trump, congratulating him on the Gaza Peace Plan!

Incidentally it was the same ‘Peace Plan’ for which Bhikharistanis were patting themselves on their backs for their ‘immense’ contributions! Even POTUS thanked them.

Ironically when ppl saw their ‘immense’ contributions & questioned them, they were quick to run away .. as always!

America has betrayed us .. AGAIN, they cried!!
And as if to prove them right, the same day the US Embassy in India let out a statement that there was never any question of providing any missiles to the Bhikharistani Aand Forces!

Btw, talking about the Brown Panted Ones, here is a really inspirational story about how they fought in Erstwhile East Pakistan in 1971, in the words of one of their own!
Not to be missed!

Rattled, Bhikharistan also swiftly denied any ‘offer’ to US to build Pasni Port! In really beautiful English, they said that it was only an ‘exploratory’ conversation, despite reports of Brown Panted Chief himself proposing it thru his ‘advisors’! (Link: https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2025/1 ... asni-port/)

Btw, Here’s the report citing the proposal by Shri Asmi Munir’s advisors about the wonderful ‘once in a lifetime’ proposal to the US to come and sit in Pasni!

Believe what you want to, but all I will say is that it is par for the course for Bhikharistan!

What I personally believe is that the most valourous Brown Panted Ones are desperate for an American military presence in Bhikharistan in order to use that as a leverage / insurance against the inevitable next round of slaps from Indian Armed Forces, this time including the Navy!

Why else would they want yet another port for purely commercial purposes when Karachi and the much vaunted Gwadar are already available fairly close to each other in any case?

Food for thought, right?

Then came the latest blow to Bhikharistan .. it actually commenced with PAF striking Afghanistan, including Kabul in response to ‘terror’ emanating from Afghanistan!

If ever there was a back-handed endorsement of the Balakot Airstrikes of 2019 and Op Sindoor Airstrikes of 2025, it was this!

Of course, shortly thereafter landed the Foreign Minister of Afghanistan in India for a SEVEN day official visit!

Bhikharistanis went crazy with indignation!

HOW DARE, HAINJI?, they shouted!

You see, Afghanistan was supposed to be Bhikharistan’s ‘strategic depth’!

India is engaging with Taliban, some from Bhikharistan shouted.
Upon hearing this, Irony tied a suicide vest to itself and exploded in the middle of Durand Line out of sheer disgust!

Why, u asked?

Well, because Pakistan was one of the only three countries that had formally recognised Taliban before 9/11!

Of course, the moment USA said ‘With Us or Against Us’ & threatened to bomb Pakistan back to stone age, they promptly handed over Taliban Ambassador to Pakistan, Abdul Salam Zaeef, to USA who then equally promptly, put him up in Gitmo! This is what he says about Bhikharistan, btw

Bottomline: Pakistan has played this duplicitous game for far too long. Their chickens are finally coming home to roost. However, just like a scorpion cannot NOT sting, so it is with Pakistan as well. They will never back down from using terror as a state policy.

It continues even as I write this thread.

But for the time being, let us come back to the issue of the Taliban Foreign Minister’s visit to India.

I would say that it is partly a result of the FANTASTIC pact with Saudi Arabia thru which the idiots of Pindi have, in all probability, forced Iran & Afghanistan to come together for the sake of their own security wrt Pakistan.

Feel free to disagree, but I shall hold on to this thought.

Btw, an interesting aspect about Afghanistan – Pakistan relationship is that even at its weakest & while under the thumbs of the Pakistani State, Afghanistan still did not recognize the Durand Line as its border with Pakistan. The Pashtuns even did this

That said, the IEA Foreign Minister’s visit to India is not just a living proof of the Raj Mandala Theory of Acharya Chanakya, but also a manifestation of really warm linkages with the Afghans and the goodwill that India has traditionally enjoyed in Afghanistan.

As the weeks & months progress, Afghanistan will move from being a strategic depth for Pakistan to being a strategic nightmare! In a way, it has already commenced, notwithstanding these delusional fools that supposedly represent the BEST online Paaki defence experts!
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Add to that this V.E.R.Y interesting choice of words by the Indian Foreign Minister who calls Afghanistan a CONTIGUOUS Neighbour!
Is that really so?
Currently, no.
In future .. who knows!
All I’ll say is that at such levels of GOI, each and every word is very well measured.

As I close this thread, I shall attempt to answer a question that some folks might have – ‘Should We Feel Sorry for Pakistan?’
Answer is a BIG NO!
They have made their bed.
They might as well sleep in it now.
In case anyone feels sorry for them, they too are free to join them there.

Why do I say so, you asked?
Well, because a stable Pakistan will only seek to cause harm to India .. to You .. and to Me.
It is in their very upbringing.
And this is why they are so frustrated .. because they are dying at the hands of Afghans instead of being able to kill Indians.

I still remember our own folks wallowing in self-pity when the US had withdrawn from Afghanistan earlier this decade. To them, all that I will say is that ‘Wheels of History Keep Moving .. slowly but steadily. However, they do need blood .. a LOT of it.’

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Oct 2025 20:26

Hriday · Post by **Hriday** » 12 Oct 2025 21:30

kancha wrote,

the reason this short clip of the Army Chief piqued my interest was the fact that he wasn’t the first one or the only one from the highest echelons speaking thus. In fact, the first such instance was Prime Minister himself when he promised the Navy their dues in next round!
What has followed since are similar statements:
EAM : PoK is an integral part of India and will return to India.
CAS : Manohar Kahaniyan (Don’t miss the part about planning for next round!)
And Raksha Mantri : Road to Karachi goes via Sir Creek.

I don't have much hope of a serious military campaign by India against Pakistan. First, Modi said that this is not an era of war to Putin despite the fact that war was imposed on Russia. Link below.
Source: Times of India https://share.google/UFBQFnxBQohs5TnVV
Then he promised unimaginable punishment to the Pahalgam perpetrators wherever they are. Does the ceasefire offer by India after few terrorist centres were hit and the careful emphasis that we did proportional retaliation by avoiding military targets does make any sense? Even the retaliation by India on the military targets are only as a deterrence in response to a large barrage of over 800 projectiles from Pakistan from Indian Gujarat to Kashmir.

Let's forget that there is no major public response by India to the hundreds of Indians killed by terrorist attacks in the following years since Balakot strike.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 12 Oct 2025 21:47

Meanwhile - No Joke: The U.N. on Tuesday will elect the Islamic Republic of Teroristan, a serial rights abuser, to its Human Rights Council.

Credentials:
- Persecutes Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Ahmadis
- Backs China's erasure of Muslim Uighurs
- Hosts terror groups Taliban, HQN, LeT, JeM

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 13 Oct 2025 01:43

Deans wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 15:25
A_Gupta wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 14:33 Do the Saudis get pulled into an Afghan-Pakistan war - defense treaty and all?
Interesting question. If Pak wants help, it implies they can't handle some Afghan militants on their own.
If Saudi can't help against Afg, they certainly won't against India.

The 'treaty' will probably be Saudi providing it's army of Bikharistanis in Saudi uniform to Terroristan, plus a little Eidi. However, when Saudi is threatened, it will be Bikaristanis in Saudi uniforms joined by Fake Arab Bikharistanis (FABs) from Terroristan to fight the enemy. Why should the sheikhs gets their hands dirtied when they have willing servants/ slaves to do their bidding?

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 13 Oct 2025 02:12

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The Deceiver - The art of the steal : How to pretend to give away everything, when you don't have anything
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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Oct 2025 08:04

gakakkad wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 17:59More neutral reporting by BBC for this clash of momeens than it was for op sindoor.

That's because it was between Momins (who are Ahl-e-Kitab) while the other was between a momin and a kafir.

ritesh · Post by **ritesh** » 13 Oct 2025 08:45

Deans wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 15:25
A_Gupta wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 14:33 Do the Saudis get pulled into an Afghan-Pakistan war - defense treaty and all?
Interesting question. If Pak wants help, it implies they can't handle some Afghan militants on their own.
If Saudi can't help against Afg, they certainly won't against India.

Remember, we're just kafir for them. So, it's holy war duty which atleast radical cities won't give a miss.

sanjayc · Post by **sanjayc** » 13 Oct 2025 08:50

^^ Never forget for a moment that both the monotheists (Xianity and Islam) want us heathens dead.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Oct 2025 09:12

Muttaqi says that Afghanistan heeded Saudi and Qatari calls to pause escalation against Pakistan.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 13 Oct 2025 16:04

Porkies have descended into civil war situation after the tlp leader being executed by the pak military.

Porkies are overall so less significant these dins than historically they were that major fireworks there barely register here . Back in the day utter chaos of this sort along with them getting whacked by the Afghanis would have filled 72 pages here in 1-2 days .

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 13 Oct 2025 17:46

Hriday wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 21:30 kancha wrote,
the reason this short clip of the Army Chief piqued my interest was the fact that he wasn’t the first one or the only one from the highest echelons speaking thus. In fact, the first such instance was Prime Minister himself when he promised the Navy their dues in next round!
What has followed since are similar statements:
EAM : PoK is an integral part of India and will return to India.
CAS : Manohar Kahaniyan (Don’t miss the part about planning for next round!)
And Raksha Mantri : Road to Karachi goes via Sir Creek.
I don't have much hope of a serious military campaign by India against Pakistan. First, Modi said that this is not an era of war to Putin despite the fact that war was imposed on Russia. Link below.
Source: Times of India https://share.google/UFBQFnxBQohs5TnVV
Then he promised unimaginable punishment to the Pahalgam perpetrators wherever they are. Does the ceasefire offer by India after few terrorist centres were hit and the careful emphasis that we did proportional retaliation by avoiding military targets does make any sense? Even the retaliation by India on the military targets are only as a deterrence in response to a large barrage of over 800 projectiles from Pakistan from Indian Gujarat to Kashmir.

Let's forget that there is no major public response by India to the hundreds of Indians killed by terrorist attacks in the following years since Balakot strike.

We had the wrong govt in power. They supposedly wanted to protect economy but were dynamiting it along with security. Now we ACTUALLY have an economy worth protecting and Bakis will be happy to play doggy on its back and become the next Ukr so our proxy strategy will be best along with infrequent hammerings in between hopefully should work out specially with Unkil openly becoming rogue

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 13 Oct 2025 17:51

RE: Contiguous Neighhbour Afghanistan.

Reminds me of a joke on YT. British guy says Netherlands is amazing they don’t have potholes on their roads. A Dutch guy says not just potholes we don’t even have a word for that in Dutch. Another Dutch joins in and says there is actually word for pothole in Dutch. It is called “Belgium”

Have we figured out our potholes/craters already? We must have learnt some tricks landing Chandrayaan

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 13 Oct 2025 18:39

Meanwhile the gap in estimates using sialkot statistics and numbers calculated using madrasa maths keeps widening.
$30b gap found in import records

ISLAMABAD: The federal government booked $321 billion in imports during the past five years, $30 billion more than import payments cleared by the central bank through banking channels in the same period, underscoring the urgent need to reconcile the huge discrepancy.

According to official records, Pakistan Single Window (PSW) booked imports worth $321 billion, while the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) cleared $291 billion through banks from July 2020 to June 2025.

The PSW's figures have not been reported earlier, as the Pakistan Bureau of Statistics (PBS) had been issuing monthly trade bulletins based on data from the Pakistan Revenue Automation Limited (PRAL).

One reason for the large difference between SBP and PSW data is that the central bank records only the cost of goods, while freight and insurance costs are treated separately. However, the magnitude of the discrepancy suggests that even after accounting for freight, the import value gap remains abnormally high, according to government sources.

The Express Tribune reported last week that imports recorded by PRAL were $11 billion lower than those reported by PSW for fiscal years 2023-24 and 2024-25.

Following the report, the central bank clarified that "the SBP's trade data is computed mainly based on trade payments data received from banks; hence, there will be no significant revision in current account balance data already published by the SBP." The central bank, however, noted that minor revisions may continue as per established practice.

The article compared PSW-booked imports with SBP data.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Oct 2025 21:06

Anyone understand why Pakistan government is shooting pro-Palestine/anti-Israel protestors?

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 14 Oct 2025 00:09

S_Madhukar wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025 17:51 RE: Contiguous Neighhbour Afghanistan.

Reminds me of a joke on YT. British guy says Netherlands is amazing they don’t have potholes on their roads. A Dutch guy says not just potholes we don’t even have a word for that in Dutch. Another Dutch joins in and says there is actually word for pothole in Dutch. It is called “Belgium”
Have we figured out our potholes/craters already? We must have learnt some tricks landing Chandrayaan

Yes we do. In North India, the term 'Pakistan' is used for 'toilet'. I am going to Pakistan = I am going to the toilet!

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 14 Oct 2025 03:40

Perhaps a play on paikhana. Toilet.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 14 Oct 2025 07:06

A_Gupta wrote: ↑13 Oct 2025 21:06 Anyone understand why Pakistan government is shooting pro-Palestine/anti-Israel protestors?

from what i gather TLP is a barelvi sect radical bunch . their agenda is different from some other yahoos and very specific. they are known to have particularly destructive riots and the last one they did was 6 months ago or more. they tend to scream "labaik ,labaik" during their protests.

palestine may have been a part of the reason of the protest but was by no means the only one and it should be seen in light of other protests like those happening in POJK /GB.

i think the porki written article are trying to give it a more of a israel/palestine spin than reality . likely they wanna suck upto trump as they think they can suppress the thoughts of their awaam.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Oct 2025 08:06

This is CCP news.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202510/1345514.shtml
China willing to play constructive role in improving Pakistan-Afghanistan ties: FM

China sincerely hopes that both countries will focus on the broader picture, remain calm and restrained, adhere to resolving mutual concerns through dialogue and consultation, avoid escalating conflicts, and jointly maintain peace and stability in both countries and the region, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lin Jian said on Monday, in response to a question on the recent Pakistan-Afghanistan border clashes.

VKumar · Post by **VKumar** » 14 Oct 2025 23:33

Watch YouTube on Puki PM saying Trump is a man of peace, prevented nuclear war between Pakistan and India and should be awarded the Nobel.

More interestingly watch the reactions of Italian PM and of UK PM.
Just Google for this topic. This video is about a day old.

bala · Post by **bala** » 15 Oct 2025 01:14

This the sorry state of affairs of true Terror in Stan which apparently can make their own nuke bumbs..

https://x.com/Vikspeaks1/status/1978080480315507181

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Oct 2025 04:32

None of this is true.

Just read Dawn. No mention of this. They are more concerned with India’s oppression of minorities.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Oct 2025 07:22

sanjaykumar wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 04:32 None of this is true.

Just read Dawn. No mention of this. They are more concerned with India’s oppression of minorities.

sanjaykumar ji,

No mention in yawn is not proof that anything either happened or did not happen

Constant "focus" on India’s oppression of minorities is how they keep their awam in a perpetual state of flux and foaming at the mouth

This is exactly how the congis also manage the situation by diverting attention from real issues which are not to their liking

It is the classic strawman argument, and while it's rhetorically effective in the short term, it shuts down real dialogue and often leaves the original issue unresolved which was the intent all along

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Oct 2025 08:03

New fighting breaks out on Pakistan, Afghanistan border
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/n ... er/3717287

New border clashes broke out Tuesday between Pakistani and Afghan forces following a brief ceasefire.

Afghanistan said its forces launched a counterattack near the border after Pakistan initiated firing late Tuesday, local broadcaster Tolo News reported, citing Mustaghfer Gurbaz, spokesman for the governor of eastern Khost province.

Clashes are still ongoing, he added.

There was no official reaction from Pakistan, but a security official told Anadolu, on condition of anonymity, that clashes broke out on the Shorko border in the Kurram tribal district.

He accused Afghan forces of initiating "unprovoked" firing and shelling on Pakistani border troops.

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Dozens of soldiers were killed Saturday in fighting between Pakistani and Afghan troops, some of the deadliest between the two sides since the Afghan Taliban returned to power in Kabul in 2021.

The clashes stopped late Saturday after mediation by Saudi Arabia and Qatar, according to Kabul.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Oct 2025 09:00

Chetakji, I am sure you know my post was ironic and in satire.

They live in a fantasy world where black is white and white is technicolour.

I must say ever since Op Sindoor and the visuals from Muslim Panjabi villages, I have lost interest in Pakistan. They are so damn poor. So far behind India. One would have to go to interior jharkand or orissa to find something akin to that in their ‘prosperous’ panjab.

Add to that their demonstrated military incompetence, and it is not surprising that they give each other these pep talks.

It is like the women in public life in Pakistan, pleasant enough to look at but most farmer stock from panjab look rather masculine. Dil behlaane ki baat. In contrast, Indians seem to delight in pointing out the wart on each others’ noses.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 15 Oct 2025 16:10

Chetakji
Looks like the Western Border is not quite after all!!
Diwali has come a tad bit early to Khyber!!
At least no Milords there to order green pataka and time limits!!

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 15 Oct 2025 16:21

What is the world coming to … Afghan Talibunnies are releasing videos of drones dropping bombs on Pak outpost

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/video-a ... _topscroll

TFTA shalwaar in tatters…

No respect for the mard-e- momin hain jee?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Oct 2025 21:58

Nice split screen in the news feed as to who asked for the afghanistan-pakistan ceasefire today.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Oct 2025 22:10

Oh, Munir-Sharif have not credited Trump?

williams · Post by **williams** » 15 Oct 2025 22:35

Tanaji wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 16:21 What is the world coming to … Afghan Talibunnies are releasing videos of drones dropping bombs on Pak outpost

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/video-a ... _topscroll

TFTA shalwaar in tatters…

No respect for the mard-e- momin hain jee?

And Pakis think only they can fight with proxies. BTW I am not saying India is involved but any one who has takleef with the Pakis - Russians, Iranians, Chinese can also arm the Talibunnies to fight. And Talibunnies are resilient as long as they get the support needed. Every time Pakis think they can sell themselves out of a situation, they end up in a deeper quagmire

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Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 16 Oct 2025 01:18

Can India stir the pot with aggressive CAPs, troop movements etc on our side?

Missile strikes on TSPA positions and airbases facing the Afghan border would be ideal, of course. But short of that, India should seize this opportunity to show why Pakistan's geography (which it prizes as its lumber one rental asset to foreign fathers) is actually a severe liability. Mobilize the IN along the Sindh coast, pivot corps from Sir Creek to J&K, and air assets along the entire IB. Force Pakistan to devote military resources to every other corner of its borders the whole time it is facing off against the Taliban.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 16 Oct 2025 02:51

Also, don't we have a surplus of the old Prithvi I's (range sub-150 km)? Given to Kabul in small numbers they could be very effective against the Pakis.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 16 Oct 2025 09:02

Rudradev wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 01:18 Can India stir the pot with aggressive CAPs, troop movements etc on our side?

Missile strikes on TSPA positions and airbases facing the Afghan border would be ideal, of course. But short of that, India should seize this opportunity to show why Pakistan's geography (which it prizes as its lumber one rental asset to foreign fathers) is actually a severe liability. Mobilize the IN along the Sindh coast, pivot corps from Sir Creek to J&K, and air assets along the entire IB. Force Pakistan to devote military resources to every other corner of its borders the whole time it is facing off against the Taliban.

Operation Sindoor is not concluded... or is it?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 16 Oct 2025 18:49