The main engineering challenge with FBRs is the liquid metal coolant. There is no other industrial application for liquid metal. So, all the major components of this type of reactor are custom-built and very expensive. Most FBRs use liquid sodium, which has intrinsic safety issues. Sodium burns in contact with air and explodes in contact with water. If the liquid metal coolant solidifies for any reason, the reactor can never be repaired. Corrosion is an issue in Lead Bismuth-cooled reactors.
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Interesting. Why Na+ specifically? Lithium cooling?
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My Take - A Few Point:
While the PFBR’s headlines are about “500 MWe” and “fuel loading,” the deeper significance is that it’s a large-scale physics experiment in fast neutron chain reactions, liquid-metal thermodynamics, and radiation-material interactions — areas where theory and experiment meet under extreme conditions.
It’s one of the few projects in the world where basic nuclear and condensed-matter physics are being tested at power-plant scale.
I will say ( and nuclear physicist will agree) India’s PFBR do offer several deep physical insights and “new learning” opportunities in basic nuclear and thermal physics, not just applied engineering.
It is IMO one of the most significant milestones in India’s nuclear program in decades, and the above story hides some truly deep engineering and scientific achievement beneath its bureaucratic language.
Note that AFAIK only Russia currently operates the large commercial fast breeder, the (BN-800 at Beloyarsk (800 MWe)). Other countries — the U.S., France (Superphénix), Japan (Monju) — all tried and eventually shut down their fast breeders,
That’s why India’s PFBR achieving full fuel loading is globally rare!, It is:
Technically: One of the world’s most advanced nuclear projects — mastering fast-neutron and sodium-coolant technology.
Strategically: The gateway to India’s thorium-based future and nuclear self-sufficiency.
Scientifically: A culmination of decades of indigenous R&D in materials, reactor physics, and sodium engineering.
Symbolically: Proof that India has persisted where many advanced nations gave up.
FWIW - My take - continue reading if interested in scientific details:
More of this cont.. in next post(s)
While the PFBR’s headlines are about “500 MWe” and “fuel loading,” the deeper significance is that it’s a large-scale physics experiment in fast neutron chain reactions, liquid-metal thermodynamics, and radiation-material interactions — areas where theory and experiment meet under extreme conditions.
It’s one of the few projects in the world where basic nuclear and condensed-matter physics are being tested at power-plant scale.
I will say ( and nuclear physicist will agree) India’s PFBR do offer several deep physical insights and “new learning” opportunities in basic nuclear and thermal physics, not just applied engineering.
It is IMO one of the most significant milestones in India’s nuclear program in decades, and the above story hides some truly deep engineering and scientific achievement beneath its bureaucratic language.
Note that AFAIK only Russia currently operates the large commercial fast breeder, the (BN-800 at Beloyarsk (800 MWe)). Other countries — the U.S., France (Superphénix), Japan (Monju) — all tried and eventually shut down their fast breeders,
That’s why India’s PFBR achieving full fuel loading is globally rare!, It is:
Technically: One of the world’s most advanced nuclear projects — mastering fast-neutron and sodium-coolant technology.
Strategically: The gateway to India’s thorium-based future and nuclear self-sufficiency.
Scientifically: A culmination of decades of indigenous R&D in materials, reactor physics, and sodium engineering.
Symbolically: Proof that India has persisted where many advanced nations gave up.
FWIW - My take - continue reading if interested in scientific details:
More of this cont.. in next post(s)
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This is dealing with more of Physics - Next post Engineering - Skip if not interested.
Here are the key ones:
- Fast Neutron Physics — Cross-sections and Kinetics
(Most of the world’s operating reactors are thermal reactors, meaning they use moderators to slow neutrons down to ~0.025 eV.
In contrast, fast reactors operate in the MeV range (10⁶ eV).
That changes the basic nuclear physics in important ways:
The neutron transport equation and reactor kinetics equations behave differently.
- - Neutron Economy and Breeding Ratios
A “breeder” reactor relies on balancing fission, capture, and leakage in such a way that: Breeding ratio = new fissile atoms created/ fissile atoms consumed >1
Understanding and measuring this ratio in real time is a highly nontrivial physics .
(PFBR operation contributes fundamental nuclear data to the world’s knowledge base) not just power.
- Thermal Hydraulics of Liquid Metals
(From a heat-transfer physics point of view:
Sodium has very high thermal conductivity, Low viscosity,
No phase change up to ~880 °C.
(So the governing equations of convection and turbulence inside a sodium loop are quite different from water systems.)
many similar things.. just to name a few important ones..
- Materials Physics under Fast Neutron Irradiation
- Neutron Feedback and Nonlinear Dynamics
- Gamma Transport and Radiation Shielding
These are all real, experimentally testable physics processes — not purely engineering.
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I don't know, the fact that it uses molten sodium makes me shudder. Lots of what ifs come to mind - what if it comes in contact with steam or even air.
I'm sure the reactor would be over engineered with multiple redundancies for just this scenario, but the discomfort doesn't go away
I'm sure the reactor would be over engineered with multiple redundancies for just this scenario, but the discomfort doesn't go away
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Cont ..Engineering challenges ..
** Long post - skip if not interested - comments, observations (from somebody who studied this since 60's), and technical unpacking of the AshokK article **
Yes, FBRs are technically challenging — sodium coolant fires, complex control systems, and high neutron flux make them difficult to operate safely and economically. Historically built but shut down: > 20 research and demo units across the world.
However, their potential to breed more fuel than they consume and to burn long-lived actinides keeps interest alive. Especially in India
So this development is indeed one of the most significant milestones in India’s nuclear program in decades.
Few points:
- Context: India’s “Three-Stage Nuclear Program
The PFBR (Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor) at Kalpakkam is the keystone of India’s long-planned three-stage nuclear fuel cycle conceived by Dr. Homi Bhabha in the 1950s:
Stage - I→ PHWRs) → Natural uranium→Electricity + plutonium (in spent fuel) → Pu-239
Stage-II→FBRs →Plutonium–uranium mixed oxide (MOX) →More Pu + electricity→Breed more fissile fuel from U-238
Stage- III→ Advanced Thorium Reactors →Thorium-U-233 cycle →Sustainable, self-replenishing fuel→Utilise India’s abundant thorium reserves
- PFBR = the bridge between Stage I and Stage III.
So when the PFBR becomes operational, it marks the entry into Stage II, i.e., plutonium recycling and breeding new fuel from U-238.
- Why it’s called “fast breeder”
“Fast” → Unlike conventional reactors, there’s no neutron moderator (like water or graphite). The reactor uses fast neutrons, which allow U-238 to convert to Pu-239 efficiently.
“Breeder” → It produces (breeds) more fissile material than it consumes — turning otherwise non-fissile uranium (U-238) into useful plutonium (Pu-239).
“Prototype” → It’s a full-scale demonstration of the technology before deploying future commercial breeder reactors.
- Why the engineering is so demanding
- Sodium coolant — both brilliant and dangerous
The PFBR uses liquid sodium instead of water as a coolant because water would slow (moderate) neutrons.
Sodium transfers heat extremely well and stays liquid over a wide temperature range — perfect for fast reactors.
But: sodium reacts violently with water and air. Even a pinhole leak could cause fires or explosions. Designing and welding hundreds of Kms of sodium piping without leaks is immensely challenging.
- Fuel handling at high temperatures
The fuel is MOX (mixed oxide) — uranium-plutonium oxide.
→ requiring specialized cladding materials (like D9 austenitic steel) that can tolerate >550°C and high neutron flux.
- Reactor kinetics and safety
The reactor has no moderator and little inherent negative reactivity feedback, so control must be ultra-precise.
The physics is governed by fast neutron spectra — with different delayed neutron fractions and feedbacks — making stability control far more delicate than in water-cooled designs.
- Materials science challenges
Fast neutrons cause intense damage and swelling in steel structures.
- Seismic, thermal and structural design
The massive pool of liquid sodium (~1000 Tons) must be kept pure…
Global context — AFAIK only the second of its kind
- Strategic and scientific implications
India’s known uranium reserves are limited, but it has vast thorium reserves. Breeding plutonium from U-238 and later converting thorium to U-233 is the long-term solution.
If PFBR succeeds, India can close the fuel cycle — reusing spent fuel rather than discarding it as waste.
Breeders “burn” long-lived actinides, reducing high-level waste inventory.
If commercial FBRs follow, India becomes the breeder cycle end-to-end.
(Original criticality target was around 2010–2012, but safety reviews, sodium-system qualification, and fuel-handling issues delayed it.
The fuel-loading step now is the most crucial milestone before “first criticality”
After low-power physics tests, AERB will permit power ascension, likely over months, before grid connection.
Some subtle but interesting (!) points
The PFBR is not under international safeguards, since it uses indigenous plutonium and is part of India’s strategic fuel cycle.
The coolant systems and sodium test loops at IGCAR (Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research) are themselves major R&D achievements.
The plant is designed for 70% load factor, with doubling time of plutonium inventory ~10 years — meaning every 10 years, it breeds enough extra fuel for another similar reactor.
India’s PFBR is:
Technically: One of the world’s most advanced nuclear projects — mastering fast-neutron and sodium-coolant technology.
Strategically: The gateway to India’s thorium-based future and nuclear self-sufficiency.
Scientifically: A culmination of decades of indigenous R&D in materials, reactor physics, and sodium engineering.
.Amber G. - Breeding optimism one neutron at a time.
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Interesting. Why Na+ specifically? Lithium cooling?
Interesting points but see details in above post.. Sodium has excellent heat transfer properties, a low neutron absorption cross-section, and stays liquid over a wide temperature range — ideal for fast reactors. Lithium’s melting point is too high and it reacts even more violently with air and water..(IOW..Li melts too hot and is far nastier to handle chemically.)..the fact that it uses molten sodium makes me shudder...
(Lithium (or lithium–lead alloys) has been used in fusion research, not in power-producing fission breeders.. except may be some *old* military type classified ones)
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Many thanks AmberG for the posts. A couple of questions:
- Web searches say that some FBRs have used lead as a coolant. Lead is used for shielding, so doesn’t it slow or absorb electrons as water does?
- Once sufficient Pu239 is built up, stage 2 is supposed to generate U233 by burning thorium as a blanket. Stage 3 is then supposed to be another breeder that burns U233 and Thorium to create more U233. Since you can burn Th in stage 2 itself, is the advantage of stage 3 that you dont need Pu239 to burn Th?
- Stage 3 sounds magical - burn Th + U233 to get more U233 and then keep refuelling using Th alone. Can you please explain the physics behind this if possible?
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[ Clarification: A typo - you wrote electron/meant neutron - FBRs deal with neutrons, not electrons.)
Nice Question - (Short answer - for India's perspective it is not used)..
Lead's function as a coolant in a Lead-cooled Fast Reactor (LFR) is based on its specific interactions with neutrons, which are different from its interactions with the gamma rays and other charged particles it shields.
"Shielding” usually means stopping gamma rays or charged particles, but lead’s role in FBRs is different. Liquid lead (or lead–bismuth) coolants have a very low neutron moderation power compared with hydrogen in water, so they preserve the fast neutron spectrum needed for breeding. They’re heavier, less reactive, and much more radiation-resistant than sodium, though harder to pump and manage due to corrosion and high density.
All said - Sodium–potassium (NaK) is by far the most common alternative coolant.
- Lithium (or lithium–lead alloys) has been used in fusion research, not in power-producing fission breeders.
- As said *old* USSR’s Alfa-class submarines (1970s) used liquid-metal cooled reactors with lead–bismuth or lithium–lead mixture..
- Very few (IMHO) use lead. (AFAIK Russia uses/plans to use mixed nitride fuel (U-Pu-N). Key step in Russia’s closed fuel-cycle program... China's CLEAR etc..
All said: Only Russia’s Brest-OD-300 is actually nearing operation as a lead-cooled fast reactor...China and the EU are next in line with prototypes.
India, for now, sticks with sodium FBRs — though its researchers keep an eye on lead-bismuth technology for future hybrid or ADS systems.
So: India’s three-stage nuclear program is tightly focused on sodium-cooled fast breeders, not lead. So PFBR at Kalpakkam uses liquid sodium because:
-India has decades of sodium technology experience (FBTR, IGCAR heritage).
-The PFBR is designed to breed plutonium-239 for the thorium cycle, and the physics/design base assumes sodium’s neutron economy.
(Lead or lead-bismuth systems have been discussed at IGCAR mostly for materials testing and ADS (Accelerator Driven Systems) —
-- BARC-ADS project has mentioned lead-bismuth as a potential coolant, mainly for spallation neutron target systems — again, experimental only.)
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Exactly — that’s the main idea.Once sufficient Pu-239 is built up, stage 2 is supposed to generate U-233 by burning thorium as a blanket. Stage 3 is then supposed to be another breeder that burns U-233 and Thorium to create more U-233. Since you can burn Th in stage 2 itself, is the advantage of stage 3 that you don’t need Pu-239 to burn Th?
In Stage 2 (FBR), plutonium (Pu-239 or Pu-241) from spent PHWR fuel is used as the driver fuel. Thorium-232 in the surrounding blanket absorbs fast neutrons and breeds fissile U-233, but the reactor itself still depends on plutonium for fission power.
In Stage 3, the reactor is designed to run directly on U-233 as the main fissile fuel, using thorium as the fertile material. So yes — the key advantage is self-sufficiency: once enough U-233 has been bred, India can theoretically sustain its reactors with thorium alone, without needing more plutonium.
That marks the transition from a Pu-based cycle to a Th-U233 cycle — which is the whole strategic goal, given India’s limited uranium but vast thorium reserves.
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It’s not quite perpetual motionStage 3 sounds magical — burn Th + U233 to get more U233 and then keep refuelling using Th alone. Can you please explain the physics behind this if possible?
Here’s the nuclear physics logic:
Fissile reaction:-> U-233 + n → Fission → Energy + 2 to 3 neutrons
Breeding reaction: -> Th-232 + n → Th-233 → Pa-233 → U-233 (after β-decays)
So each fission of U-233 releases a few neutrons...
To sustain breeding, the system must:
- Use 1 neutron to keep the chain reaction going (fission another U-233).
-Use 1 neutron to convert Th-232 → U-233 (to replace what was burned).
-Lose a few neutrons to leakage and non-productive captures — so a high neutron yield and low parasitic losses are crucial.
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(The U-233 isotope is special because its neutron yield per neutron absorbed (η) is around 2.28 in the thermal spectrum, significantly higher than U235 or Pu 239. This crucial margin above the minimum of 2 is what makes thermal breeding possible
Here U-233 is used both as the fuel that fissions and the product that replaces the consumed fuel would reinforce the closed-loop concept.)
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In practice, Stage 3 would likely be a Molten Salt Breeder Reactor (MSBR) or an Advanced Heavy Water Reactor (AHWR) using Th-U233 fuel, carefully optimized to achieve near-breeding conditions.
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Has a proof of concept Stage 3 reactor been built?
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As you may know - Short answer: No – there is still no full-scale, operational “Stage-3” Th–U-233 commercial reactor. India has a mature design (the AHWR) and small research demos (KAMINI).. as we have discussed before..
Other countries (notably China) are doing molten-salt/thorium experiments — but a proof-of-concept commercial Stage-3 plant has not been built yet. (see note in the end)
(AHWR is a completed design (≈300 MWe) intended to demonstrate thorium use and many passive-safety features; BARC describes it as the demonstrator for Stage-3
KAMINI at Kalpakkam is a small research reactor that does run on U-233 fuel (a lab-scale proof that U-233 can be used in reactors), but it is tiny (tens of kW thermal) and not a power-plant demonstrator.
Added later: Note: A small, experimental Molten Salt Reactor (MSR) in China MSR-LF1 achieved criticality in late 2023 and has demonstrated the use of thorium salt, marking a significant step toward an MSR-based U233 breeding cycle.
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News:
It is a quiet but significant milestone, DAE has developed high-RRR niobium, the ultra-pure metal crucial for superconducting accelerators.
Few nations can produce it — it underpins technologies from particle physics to medical isotopes.
It strengthens India’s indigenous accelerator capability agian reducing dependence on foreign suppliers.
<DAE>A Major Leap for Accelerator Future: Nuclear Fuel Complex #NFC, an industrial unit of DAE, successfully develops high RRR Niobium, a critical material for superconducting accelerator applications, placing India among a few nations with this advanced capability.
High-RRR Niobium is essential for accelerators powering research in nuclear energy, advanced materials, healthcare, and industry. The breakthrough achievement promises to end the supply-chain vulnerability and depended on a few global suppliers
With indigenous technology and planned large-scale production, the milestone achievement boosts self-reliance, strengthens national accelerator programme, and aligns with India’s #NuclearEnergyMission of 100 GW by 2047
It is a quiet but significant milestone, DAE has developed high-RRR niobium, the ultra-pure metal crucial for superconducting accelerators.
Few nations can produce it — it underpins technologies from particle physics to medical isotopes.
It strengthens India’s indigenous accelerator capability agian reducing dependence on foreign suppliers.
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sharing: India is building a 500 MWe reactor that’ll ‘breed’ more nuclear fuel that it’ll consume. How it works
{My post(s) above give a good technical back ground}
{My post(s) above give a good technical back ground}
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Many thanks AmberG for the succinct explanation.
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who wants to shoot down a nuclear missile down and risk a fall out., but then again whats the alternative. Its a dooms day weapon like Poseidon nuclear torpedoAmber G. wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 22:25 ^^^ Thanks...
Just posting a news story here:
The Missile That Never Stops: Putin Unveils Burevestnik - Nuclear-Powered Monster That Flies 14,000 KM, Dodges Every Defense And Changes Warfare Forever
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Meanwhile Trump: ‘Make Nukes Great Again.’

....... Because what’s world peace without a little radiation nostalgia?
....... Because what’s world peace without a little radiation nostalgia?
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^^^ The last nuclear weapon test was conducted by North Korea on September 3, 2017.
What does "I have instructed the Department of War to start testing our Nuclear Weapons on an equal basis. That process will begin immediately" mean in practice? Trump and his dear friend Respected Comrade Kim Jong Un will have a blast?
What does "I have instructed the Department of War to start testing our Nuclear Weapons on an equal basis. That process will begin immediately" mean in practice? Trump and his dear friend Respected Comrade Kim Jong Un will have a blast?
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Isn't it the Dept of Energy that is responsible for NW tests in the US?
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^^^Trump’s post about restarting U.S. nuclear tests sounds dramatic — and typically “Trump.” Hard to say how literally to take it — but if it ever did happen, it would mean the end of a 33-year moratorium on American nuclear explosions.
The last such test, Divider, took place on September 23, 1992 at the Nevada Test Site (which I happened to visit some years ago) — marking the close of the Cold-War testing era.
A real resumption would shake global arms-control understandings, push Russia and China to respond, and ripple through every regional deterrence balance.
Sometimes one tweet can rattle more seismographs than a test itself.
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(The old term “Department of War” hasn’t existed since 1947 — it became the Department of Defense (DoD).)
DoD oversees the delivery systems (missiles, bombers, subs), but the warheads and test infrastructure are DOE/NNSA domain.
So that line in Trump’s post is another giveaway that it’s not technically accurate statement — just classic Trump-speak, mixing eras and institutions.
— Amber G.
The last such test, Divider, took place on September 23, 1992 at the Nevada Test Site (which I happened to visit some years ago) — marking the close of the Cold-War testing era.
A real resumption would shake global arms-control understandings, push Russia and China to respond, and ripple through every regional deterrence balance.
Sometimes one tweet can rattle more seismographs than a test itself.
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Yes - The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) — through its National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) — is actually responsible for maintaining and, if ever ordered, conducting nuclear tests.Isn't it the Dept of Energy that is responsible for NW tests in the US?
(The old term “Department of War” hasn’t existed since 1947 — it became the Department of Defense (DoD).)
DoD oversees the delivery systems (missiles, bombers, subs), but the warheads and test infrastructure are DOE/NNSA domain.
So that line in Trump’s post is another giveaway that it’s not technically accurate statement — just classic Trump-speak, mixing eras and institutions.
— Amber G.
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If Trump inaugurates a world-wide new round of nuclear testing, then is there any strategic value for India to conduct another nuclear weapon test? Or is there value in being the nuclear power that did not test, cementing ties with Japan and like-minded countries?
— As to Trump’s technically inaccurate statement, he is perfectly capable of ripping off part of DoE and subsuming it in the Department of War - who is to stop him?
— As to Trump’s technically inaccurate statement, he is perfectly capable of ripping off part of DoE and subsuming it in the Department of War - who is to stop him?
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During my visit to the Nevada Test Site, one of the most striking stops was a tunnel prepared for a U.S. nuclear test that never happened. Everything was left just as it was — long runs of cables, duplicate wiring for Soviet scientists, instrument racks — all in place, minus the bomb itself.
It was part of the late-1980s U.S.–Soviet Joint Verification Experiment, when both sides agreed to let each other monitor underground tests to verify treaty limits.
Then came new agreements — and the test was quietly cancelled.
That untouched site now stands as a reminder of how close the world came to one more blast — and how, for once, the cables stayed connected but the switch was never flipped.
— Amber G.
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Added later: The planned JVE test — “Kearsarge”
Date: August 17, 1988
Yield: ~150 kilotons (the treaty limit)
Purpose: To let Soviet scientists measure the explosion independently using their own instruments, confirming how to verify yields within the TTBT limit.
- The “cancelled” follow-up
After the JVE, both sides prepared additional experiments — one or two follow-up verification or calibration shots — but they were cancelled when political momentum shifted toward a full testing moratorium (and ultimately, the 1992 halt).
So, the setup I saw was a ready site for one of those post-JVE treaty-validation tests, also in the( ~150 kt range)
- 150 kt is about 10 times the Hiroshima bomb’s yield — large enough to be a full-scale strategic warhead validation, not a small experiment.
That tunnel I saw is a real piece of Cold War history — a frozen moment when a 150-kiloton explosion was fully wired, verified by both sides… and then never fired...
It was part of the late-1980s U.S.–Soviet Joint Verification Experiment, when both sides agreed to let each other monitor underground tests to verify treaty limits.
Then came new agreements — and the test was quietly cancelled.
That untouched site now stands as a reminder of how close the world came to one more blast — and how, for once, the cables stayed connected but the switch was never flipped.
— Amber G.
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Added later: The planned JVE test — “Kearsarge”
Date: August 17, 1988
Yield: ~150 kilotons (the treaty limit)
Purpose: To let Soviet scientists measure the explosion independently using their own instruments, confirming how to verify yields within the TTBT limit.
- The “cancelled” follow-up
After the JVE, both sides prepared additional experiments — one or two follow-up verification or calibration shots — but they were cancelled when political momentum shifted toward a full testing moratorium (and ultimately, the 1992 halt).
So, the setup I saw was a ready site for one of those post-JVE treaty-validation tests, also in the( ~150 kt range)
- 150 kt is about 10 times the Hiroshima bomb’s yield — large enough to be a full-scale strategic warhead validation, not a small experiment.
That tunnel I saw is a real piece of Cold War history — a frozen moment when a 150-kiloton explosion was fully wired, verified by both sides… and then never fired...
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About 1988 into 1989 also had Soviet military engineers at US AFBs examining decommissioning WMD delivery systems including chopping of some B-52s.
CTBT is dead & I suspect the Trump admin will abrogate the US-India Civil Nuclear Agreement to return to sanctioning Indian research facilities. The PFBR needs to quickly be brought on line & stockpile of Pu-238, 239, 240 & 241 need to be built up.
CTBT is dead & I suspect the Trump admin will abrogate the US-India Civil Nuclear Agreement to return to sanctioning Indian research facilities. The PFBR needs to quickly be brought on line & stockpile of Pu-238, 239, 240 & 241 need to be built up.
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From Wiki: The United States's Touchstone nuclear test series was a group of 13 nuclear tests conducted in 1987–1988.
Also for reference NNSS dot Gov site:Nuclear Time lineThe series included Touchstone Kearsarge, a joint US-Soviet test as part of the Joint Verification Experiment (JVE). The JVE's purpose was to provide yield data to both parties about each other's nuclear test sites so that accurate remote measurements could be taken to verify each other's compliance with the Threshold Test Ban Treaty (TTBT).
A Soviet flag is raised next to an American flag at the Nevada Test Site as part of the Joint Verification Experiment
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Amber Ji,
What is your opinion about subcritical tests and laser-driven fusion experiments? Can and should India develop these capabilities and continue advancing without a real test?
What is your opinion about subcritical tests and laser-driven fusion experiments? Can and should India develop these capabilities and continue advancing without a real test?
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^^^ <see> ..
surveillance/command readiness quietly in last 10 years..
I may post my perspective on some of India's tremendous progress (IMO) inAlternatives: accelerate subcritical tests, refine delivery systems, or expand surveillance/command readiness — all without exploding a bomb.
surveillance/command readiness quietly in last 10 years..
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Meanwhile: A visionary ahead of his time, Dr. Homi Jehangir Bhabha envisioned atomic energy not as a choice, but as the foundation of our future. Naman to him on his birth anniversary.

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Sorry but I was wondering if Tho is so great and not as abundant in other countries, have others tried to make it in N reactions? I know that would be super expensive but wanted to throw the gauntlet.. Also how does it compare to Fusion economics … should we also double our efforts there or let the Big2 outspend us by billions and nice again steal a march over us ..of course not going to happen in my lifetime !
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We are looking use of Th in nuclear reactors.. but if you question is using it as explosive weapon (bomb).. keep reading......have others tried to make it in N reactions? I know that would be super expensive but wanted to throw the gauntlet..
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Thorium is not fissile: The natural form of thorium T232 is a fertile material, not a fissile material. Fissile (like Uranium-235 or Plutonium-239) means the atom can be easily split by a slow-moving neutron, releasing huge energy and more neutrons to keep a runaway chain reaction (an explosion) going.
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Fertile (like Thorium-232) means it can absorb a neutron, but it won't easily split. Instead, it transforms into a fissile material over time.
It can be used in a reactor (bombarded with neutrons) to convert it into the fissile isotope Uranium-233 . This U33 can be used to build a nuclear weapon. (actually it gives more free neutrons even more than U235 or Pu239 and it's critical mass is less than these 2).. but practically it can't be use as making it to a weapon is extremely difficult and hazardous, primarily due to one major contaminant: Uranium-232.
U232 is a strong gamma-ray emitter. And its decay chain produces highly radioactive "daughter products" that release intense, penetrating gamma radiation. This radiation is so strong that it requires significant, heavy shielding and remote handling of the material during all phases of chemical separation and weapon fabrication. This makes the entire process vastly more complicated, hazardous, and expensive.. MUCH MUCH more than working with standard weapons-grade uranium or plutonium.
(In it's reactors India handles U232 contamination by relying on remote handling and heavy shielding during the entire fuel reprocessing and fabrication process.The Indian solution is not to eliminate the U232 but to manage the consequences of its radiation.
Many learnings here are obviously classified.. some well known details known among scientists..I will not put here in an open form.)
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Today in 1961, Tsar Bomba, the single most physically powerful device ever deployed on Earth, was detonated.
It produced the largest human-made explosion in history, with a mushroom reaching 37 miles of altitude (60 km).
It produced the largest human-made explosion in history, with a mushroom reaching 37 miles of altitude (60 km).
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"Twenty 50-kiloton warheads can destroy nearly three times the area leveled by a numerically equivalent 1-megaton weapon."
Re: India Nuclear News and Discussion 4 July 2011
Re: India Nuclear News and Discussion 4 July 2011
The Tsar Bomba was not even a weapon - it was impractical for deployment as it was too heavy and too big.
It was a Russian demonstration to show we are bigger.
It was a Russian demonstration to show we are bigger.
Re: India Nuclear News and Discussion 4 July 2011
Well, India will need a new range if explosive testing is to resume.
Where might that be?
Where might that be?
Re: India Nuclear News and Discussion 4 July 2011
Absolutely! — once they find a bomber that can carry a 100'sx 27-ton device, plus a few tons of depleted uranium tamper and lithium deuteride, without melting midair, and logistics team that doesn’t mind vaporizing the cockpit.India needs hundreds of Tsar Bomba.
Plus, there’s the charming side-effect of atmospheric optics for decades — sunsets your city will never forget..
Fun fact: Tsar Bomba broke windows 500 miles away — hope you’ve got a budget for glass repair before ordering hundreds..
Tsar Bomba’s shockwave went around the world three times; the fallout politely followed. Hundreds would just skip the politeness
Yes,
Re: India Nuclear News and Discussion 4 July 2011
A map of thorium deposits of India

A Soviet flag is raised next to an American flag at the Nevada Test Site as part of the Joint Verification Experiment