Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 23 March 2021

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Inder Sharma wrote: 04 Oct 2025 14:39 Dear Sirs,

What could be our preparation to prevent asymmetric attacks on our deep airbases - similar to what we saw in Russia in "Operation Spider Web" or the Israeli strikes on Iranian Air assets from within the Iran itself. This is a concern, since many of the IAF's airbases have vast ungovernable "bastis" surrounding them.
Short answer: None , as it is quite difficult to defend against such attacks.

Long answer: It really depends on what type of attack it is. If it is a Kashmir type scenario where some abdul wants to load up a truck full of explosives and ram it down the gate, then this threat is well understood and the sentries are alert with multiple layers of defences to stop such a truck ranging from barriers to deliberate detours so that the truck slows down.

However the more likely threat is drone attacks and mortars. Some Abdul smuggles in mortars and launches a salvo. Mortars are not very accurate over long ranges and you can be assured that the aircraft shelters or if parked in open won’t be close to the boundary. Plus, once detected, they would get neutralised quickly. Anything in the open would be gone, but it’s hard to take out an airbase with this attack even if the rounds land on runway - it would get repaired quickly.

Drones are a harder problem. One would have to smuggle in multiple drones and explosives and get people to fly them simultaneously. But if they can, then end result is same as above. The harder problem is if someone simply starts buzzing the airbase to disrupt operations. It becomes quite difficult to identify the controller and neutralise it. The base can get shut down.

The only defence in both cases are parking aircraft in HAS. Not all our bases have these and we still park our aircraft wide open. One hopes IAF has learnt its lesson and has made HAS a top priority. I doubt it though - IAF leadership has a penchant for displaying pikachu face and twiddling thumbs when the threat was obvious and could have been countered easily…
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/pa ... de92&ei=77

So the PAF will be getting the AIM-120D-3. Given that this version has a range of 150-180 km, the missile gap is only going to increase till the Astra-2/3 enter service. And the high production rate of the Astra (IDRW claims BDL is manufacturing 25 Astras an year with dramatic increase to 50 per year planned) will ensure it will be many years before the majority of the fleet gets outfitted. Of course given the IAF's Rafale fixation, they will never order the R-37Ms for the Su-30s (the only imported missile I would be happy to see bought through emergency procurement).

Interestingly, would I be wrong in thinking that even an Astra Mk1 armed Tejas will be a more capable air-to-air fighter than a Mica armed Mirage 2000?
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Address of the Chief of the Air Staff on the eve of 93rd Air Force Day.


Indian Air Force Day 2025 | DD India
The 93rd Indian Air Force Day at Air Force Station, Hindon, UP, showcases a grand ceremonial parade, spectacular aircraft displays, and precision drills. The event honours the courage, discipline, and dedication of IAF personnel safeguarding the nation’s skies with exceptional valour..
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<rant> Indian Airforce day should be counted from 1947 </rant>
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We carried a quiz on Indian Air Force Day, prepared by Colonel Arun Sharma

https://indiyatra.in/air-force-day-quiz/

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IAF celebrates it 93rd year — with pakistan on the menu



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Inder Sharma wrote: 04 Oct 2025 14:39 Dear Sirs,

What could be our preparation to prevent asymmetric attacks on our deep airbases - similar to what we saw in Russia in "Operation Spider Web" or the Israeli strikes on Iranian Air assets from within the Iran itself. This is a concern, since many of the IAF's airbases have vast ungovernable "bastis" surrounding them.
Similar question asked by me too in Newbee thread just After Operation Sindoor viewtopic.php?p=2649354#p2649354. Just HAS are not good enough, small drones can slip through the HAS door ( if at all they have) and do the damage.
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Avinandan wrote: 09 Oct 2025 23:45
Inder Sharma wrote: 04 Oct 2025 14:39 Dear Sirs,

What could be our preparation to prevent asymmetric attacks on our deep airbases - similar to what we saw in Russia in "Operation Spider Web" or the Israeli strikes on Iranian Air assets from within the Iran itself. This is a concern, since many of the IAF's airbases have vast ungovernable "bastis" surrounding them.
Similar question asked by me too in Newbee thread just After Operation Sindoor viewtopic.php?p=2649354#p2649354. Just HAS are not good enough, small drones can slip through the HAS door ( if at all they have) and do the damage.
Which is why they are adapting naval CIWS to army duties...
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This is not new. IIRC, US Army started making them in 2004 and called Land Phalanx Weapon System
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pravula wrote: 10 Oct 2025 05:27 This is not new. IIRC, US Army started making them in 2004 and called Land Phalanx Weapon System
IMVHO, even you install 1 phalanx system per HAS, the threshold that the Phalanx can withstand and repel simultaneous done attack is 80. So 85 drone attacking all from frontal 180 degree of frontal view of Phalanx would still overwhelm and sneak through the HAS door ( All gyan and calculation from ChatGPT).

I fear the cheapest way way to contain it with covering the HAs openings with mesh/grill like doors.
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Yes, the cheapest option is just to add a garage door.
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One drone will hit the door and blow it off and the next one will gone in through...
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Absolutely fascinating podcast with Wing Co Amit Sathe. Hosted by two ex-Army folks - Kaushal & Kaushalendra
Wing Co Sathe provides insights of the life of an IAF pilot. He has flown helicopters as well as fighters. Easy to follow from a layman's perspective of the challenges of combat flying. It is a long podcast, but flowed very well. Towards the later part of the video he explains some of the technologies utilized by IAF - Network Centric Warfare, AFNET etc. I found it very informative. It helps that all three of them have great personalities and kept the podcast entertaining and informative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJlVGzwePr8
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Manish_P wrote: 11 Oct 2025 09:36 One drone will hit the door and blow it off and the next one will gone in through...
There will be another door and yet another door behind. :wink:
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Vayutuvan wrote: 12 Oct 2025 09:54
Manish_P wrote: 11 Oct 2025 09:36 One drone will hit the door and blow it off and the next one will gone in through...
There will be another door and yet another door behind. :wink:
Just like there will be a gun/missile, and another, and another starting from the border... :)

Drone/AC swarms need to be met by layers upon layers of AADs

BTW a anti-drone jamming layer is also a 'wall' :wink:
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drnayar wrote: 18 Oct 2025 06:41 https://www.wdmma.org/ranking.php
https://www.wdmma.org/indian-air-force.php

Globally third most powerful air force
Sirjee - Who are these WDMMA guys, and what are their credentials?
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titash wrote: 18 Oct 2025 10:25
drnayar wrote: 18 Oct 2025 06:41 https://www.wdmma.org/ranking.php
https://www.wdmma.org/indian-air-force.php

Globally third most powerful air force
Sirjee - Who are these WDMMA guys, and what are their credentials?
Sirjee, forget about credentials. Just enjoy the narrative being in your favor and utilize it to the maximum. I would prefer the No.1 Air force in the world ranking. 1000 more points for defeating a Nuclear Armed Country, the one and only Airforce in the world to do so.
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3 ISTAR Aircraft soon | MoD clearance this month | Importance for IAF

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Su-30 MKIs Dogfight F-35 Fighter Jets As Indian Flankers Simulate Attack On British Aircraft Carrier, HMS Prince Of Wales
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/su-30-mki ... abian-sea/

The instructions to Indian fighter pilots were crystal clear – “Target the HMS Prince of Wales” in the Arabian Sea. Within seconds, a dozen Indian fighter jets, including eight Su-30MKIs, an Indian Il-78 aircraft, and four Jaguars, were airborne to penetrate the defensive shield of HMS Prince of Wales and conduct simulated airstrikes on the UK’s flagship carrier.

The RAF listed 22 jets participating in the scenario, including six F-35Bs from the 617 Squadron embarked on the HMS Prince of Wales.

According to the RAF, the services practiced “four dogfights” and “three mission types.”

The simulated air drill—the first of its kind—helped the Royal Navy and the IAF test each other’s tactics, skills, weapons systems, sensors, and interoperability.

Furthermore, while the IAF trained against a stealth fighter jet in close air combat, the Royal Navy practiced against the Su-30 ‘Flankers.’

“For the air power of both nations, the mock dogfights allowed personnel to test individual skills, weapons systems and sensors, plus tactics in particular against aircraft they do not normally encounter,” it said.

The Royal Air Force (RAF) said it was the “first UK carrier clash with Flankers testing fusion, agility and tactics.”
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https://x.com/FinestYew/status/1980680811751043503
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> unescorted night strike into enemy airspace.

What was rumour, mentioned in hushed tones in the dominion of twitter spaces is now recognised as fact.

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1980649902272311784
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Group Capt Manish Arora | Vir Chakra

Led an unescorted night strike into enemy airspace with advanced BVR defences. Executed low-level ingress & precise strikes despite multiple air & ground threats. Attacks so intense, enemy couldn’t retaliate.

Saluting unmatched bravery!
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Based on most open-source information, our strikes have always been using Mirage 2K, Rafale and Su-30 for Brahmos. Where would the Jaguar (the original 'Deep penetration strike' aircraft) fit into the picture. I can see the Jaguar IMs being used in anti-ship roles as in the UK exercise, but the land attack Jags would have a changed role today?
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India pulled out of Tajikistan’s strategically important Ayni air base in 2022. Here’s why
https://theprint.in/defence/after-over- ... n/2772134/
28 Oct 2025
Tajikistan did not want to extend the lease because of apparent pressure from Russia & China over non-regional military personnel at the air base, it is learnt.
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Qatar, Tajikistan discuss strengthening economic, trade and investment cooperation
https://thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/1 ... ooperation
In his opening remarks, H E Dr. Ahmed Al-Sayed underlined the depth and strength of bilateral relations between Qatar and the Republic of Tajikistan, noting that the Committee serves as a pivotal platform to further strengthen ties and deepen partnerships across various fields, particularly in the economic, trade, and investment sectors.

Deputy Secretary Landau’s Meeting with Tajikistan Foreign Minister Muhriddin
Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau met with Tajikistan Foreign Minister Sirojiddin Muhriddin on September 25 in New York on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly and reiterated U.S. interest in increased partnership and investment in Tajikistan’s critical minerals sector. The United States highlighted the importance of Tajikistan’s continued support for the D-ISIS Coalition and expressed appreciation for Tajikistan’s expertise at the forefront of the fight against ISIS-K. Both sides look forward to commemorating the 10-year anniversary of the C5+1 diplomatic platform this year, which represents the United States “plus” the five Central Asian countries (the C5 – Kazakhstan, the Kyrgyz Republic, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan) with Tajik partners.
https://tj.usembassy.gov/deputy-secreta ... muhriddin/

https://x.com/RealWahidaAFG/status/1983224813079683277
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BIG BREAKING: India has been offered control of Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan 🇮🇳🇦🇫

Sources confirm that Afghan airspace access has been granted to India, while Pakistan’s routes may soon face restrictions.

Indian operations are already being tested from within Afghanistan, and Islamabad knows exactly what that means.

Bagram is back. Pakistan’s worst nightmare just took off.
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uddu wrote: 22 Oct 2025 19:26 https://x.com/FinestYew/status/1980680811751043503
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> unescorted night strike into enemy airspace.

What was rumour, mentioned in hushed tones in the dominion of twitter spaces is now recognised as fact.

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1980649902272311784
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Saluting unmatched bravery!
The official record doesn't mention anything about entering into enemy airspace. But he definitely was within range of their SAM and fighter BVR missiles. Clearly pulled off a very risky and difficult mission in the dark. Most likely fired SCALP. He was fired upon by SAM as well as PL-15 missiles.

But the mission shouldn't have been unescorted. That's what the Meteor is there for- to provide long range BVRAAM to escorting fighters.

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So gurus who has replaced the Mig-21 in the interceptor role now? Is it Tejas or Mig29 ? If Tejas will it be Mk1 always or Mk2 in the future? Or will it be a CATs warrior ? Or do we need(dream) of a Mach3+ jet these days?
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Next should be Unmanned Tejas with Kaveri engine(KDE+Afterburner) variant. Cockpit space utilized for fuel for long range missions and carrying weapons instead of external fuel tanks.
https://x.com/InsightGL/status/1983816619014156569
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IndianAirForce's CATS program
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-Will mimic fighter aircraft radar signature as decoy
-Production 2030
US Pilot Fighting Against Pilotless F-16

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https://x.com/shreedharsingh9/status/19 ... 6554784962
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Finally some one has asked about Meteors?.
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https://x.com/ShiroBarks/status/1984314 ... ShiroBarks
"Meteor will finally complete what was promised nearly 10 years ago"

Rafale is flying for years without their primary weapon
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Article that exposes that Rafales are without Meteors

https://zeenews.india.com/india/a-billi ... 78214.html

Disgustingly shameful behavior by successive IAF Chiefs and MoD headed by Rajnath Singh. But most of the blame goes to IAF. Their insistence on *silver bullet aircrafts*, where we spend a lot of silver but get no bullets

Treating Tejas like a step-child, insisting that they won't allow inductions without Astra firing, while coolly demanding more Rafales, when the existing ones are naked

The rot starts at the top

We need court-martials or at least summary dismissals - but am sure Tinkerer Modi won't move a finger
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uddu wrote: 01 Nov 2025 10:29 https://x.com/shreedharsingh9/status/19 ... 6554784962
@shreedharsingh9
Finally some one has asked about Meteors?.
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https://x.com/ShiroBarks/status/1984314 ... ShiroBarks
"Meteor will finally complete what was promised nearly 10 years ago"

Rafale is flying for years without their primary weapon
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This level of blatant corruption at such high level is shocking :shock: if true. Wouldn't t be surprised if a rafale or two was lost during op sindoor.
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Prem Kumar wrote: 01 Nov 2025 20:17 Article that exposes that Rafales are without Meteors

https://zeenews.india.com/india/a-billi ... 78214.html

Disgustingly shameful behavior by successive IAF Chiefs and MoD headed by Rajnath Singh. But most of the blame goes to IAF. Their insistence on *silver bullet aircrafts*, where we spend a lot of silver but get no bullets

Treating Tejas like a step-child, insisting that they won't allow inductions without Astra firing, while coolly demanding more Rafales, when the existing ones are naked

The rot starts at the top

We need court-martials or at least summary dismissals - but am sure Tinkerer Modi won't move a finger
Some people are saying that SIPRI data shows that all Meteors were received between 2020 and 2022...
The new order is only for additional missiles...
Not sure if the quoted article is factual...
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We have a bunch of defense journos: Shiv Aroor, Vishnu Som, Sandeep Unnithan, Rajat Pandit etc

Not one has so far asked even a moderately tough question to any of our Chiefs. Too afraid to "lose access"

Actually its the Chiefs/MoD who need to be afraid of being grilled by the media. They will have to face the press sooner or later. One of these guys could develop b@lls. Its a sad state of affairs
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LakshmanPST wrote: 02 Nov 2025 02:47
Prem Kumar wrote: 01 Nov 2025 20:17 Article that exposes that Rafales are without Meteors

https://zeenews.india.com/india/a-billi ... 78214.html
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Treating Tejas like a step-child, insisting that they won't allow inductions without Astra firing, while coolly demanding more Rafales, when the existing ones are naked
..
Some people are saying that SIPRI data shows that all Meteors were received between 2020 and 2022...
The new order is only for additional missiles...
Not sure if the quoted article is factual...
The missiles displayed for the President Murmu are only MICA variants. No Meteor missile. That also strengthened the theory that Meteor is yet to be integrated. But India also didn't displayed the S-400 until very recently. Even the video of the giant conical shaped SA-23 missile of the S-300 system is very rare. I wonder about the secrecy in these selected aspects.
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uddu wrote: 22 Oct 2025 18:58 Su-30 MKIs Dogfight F-35 Fighter Jets As Indian Flankers Simulate Attack On British Aircraft Carrier, HMS Prince Of Wales
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/su-30-mki ... abian-sea/

The instructions to Indian fighter pilots were crystal clear – “Target the HMS Prince of Wales” in the Arabian Sea. Within seconds, a dozen Indian fighter jets, including eight Su-30MKIs, an Indian Il-78 aircraft, and four Jaguars, were airborne to penetrate the defensive shield of HMS Prince of Wales and conduct simulated airstrikes on the UK’s flagship carrier.

The RAF listed 22 jets participating in the scenario, including six F-35Bs from the 617 Squadron embarked on the HMS Prince of Wales.

According to the RAF, the services practiced “four dogfights” and “three mission types.”

The simulated air drill—the first of its kind—helped the Royal Navy and the IAF test each other’s tactics, skills, weapons systems, sensors, and interoperability.

Furthermore, while the IAF trained against a stealth fighter jet in close air combat, the Royal Navy practiced against the Su-30 ‘Flankers.’

“For the air power of both nations, the mock dogfights allowed personnel to test individual skills, weapons systems and sensors, plus tactics in particular against aircraft they do not normally encounter,” it said.

The Royal Air Force (RAF) said it was the “first UK carrier clash with Flankers testing fusion, agility and tactics.”




uddu ji,

why would anyone think that either the britshit pilots or their Indian counterparts would have actually displayed the full repertoire of their capabilities or even that of their aircraft

This is a normal clown show that is done for tourists.

no one learns anything vital from a few minutes of yank and bank

don't believe everything that you read.

copy starved "journos" spin tales plucked from their fertile imaginations, especially when facts are short and deadlines for filing reports are imminent........... :mrgreen:
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As per the reports below, IAF acquired 200 Meteors between 2020 and 2022. The current plans are for additional missiles.

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The Meteor is obviously integrated. Expecting the IAF to comment on operational details of a recent conflict, and with a chance of a flare up at any time (given character of adversary leadership) is not smart.
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