Understanding the US - Again

[Jay]

Some of us need to learn to read.

Where in the post you quoted have I mentioned Mamdani?

Rudradev ji, this whole chain of discussion posts are happening because of the mayors election in NY, if there's other reasons for these posts, I'm happy to hear.

[Jay]

That was not what I asked

What you asked is a word salad

should be easy for you sir ji!

[A_Gupta]

As to vandalism of Hindu temples in the US, as far as I can ascertain, all incidents are attributed to Khalistanis.

[Vayutuvan]

should be easy for you sir ji!

Jee, you pride yourself in your English learnt at a "community college" (I am sure you went to an English Convent of note in India). Why not make it more intelligible for folks like your truly who went to Telugu medium govt schools?!!!

[g.sarkar]

I think that is "judged by 12 or carried by 6". Amrikhans are heavy.
Gautam

Gautam ji, Hindus are carried by four.

Manishji: Yes, but the saying is not Indian, as we have not had jury trials for a long time now. Just being my obnoxious nitpicking self. Forgive me.
Gautam

[ricky_v]

He quoted Jawaharlal Nehru - the Marxist “founding father” of socialist India, who:

Nehru destroyed India’s soul in the name of “progress.”

Mamdani is promising to do the same to you.[/b]

i am actually quite flattered that one of our storied leaders has been taken as an inspiration to do works overseas... the history of india and those states that came in touch with india, like most of south east asia still latch onto ideas and stories told by people from india, traders, others who were influenced, so much that their national identity, their architecture, culture, way of living was and more importantly is still informed by it in many different ways

internally however much maligned nehru might be, outside, if someone is taking inspiration from him, then he is a successful ideological export commodity and hopefully someone who influences american politics and policies in the years to come... and in totality

as for destruction of america's soul, i dont think many people would mind, may even be an improvement honestly, but then who would be able to tell the difference

[chetak]

New York really went from 9/11 to zohran mamdani in the space of 24 years

Unbelievable

[ricky_v]

Mamdani is a jihadi terrorist sympathizer, period. He has been voluble about that when it comes to Hamas. He has publicly embraced jihadis involved with the World Trade Center bombing of 1993. He has come out in public support of Khalistanis, who are a known proxy of the ISI jihad against India. He has echoed propaganda about supposed "Muslim genocide in Gujarat" that is completely indistinguishable from anything that has appeared in Daesh publications.

Whatever one may think of Trump, Stephen Miller, or any of the MAGA crowd, there is simply no comparison when it comes to the existential threat that jihadis pose to Hindus (Indian and Indian-American alike).

whats the difference if the discourse is far into the future about the butcher of godhra and a form of jiziya and one with my good friend modi and more than 100% tariffs? maybe one seems more erudite, but the effect seems to be the same

also, we have had our share of ideologically inspired almost revolutions with the presence of very very friendly governments in the us, short of an overt military action against india, mamdami would find that his predecessors had and have been trying all alternatives to put india beneath their feet... would his being muslim make it any worse than being under the feet of those of the euro stock

for the better parts of 9 months, with all the backings of power, trump has behaved, and with justification, as the god emperor of earth, any opposition has been treated as merely provincial backwater politics; he has shown, for the first time the overt power that the us exerts over the world polity and that is too much power for one man

the more he is tied up in internal issues, the more the other nations can plot to create a system where such situations are prevented from ever happening where one nation exerts so much influence over the others, this is the matter of immediacy more than the emergence of any other preening dotard or wannabe wahhabist

mamdami, if he ever eventuates as an issue, is into the future, for the nonce, he further alienates the americans and that is a most welcome development

if the trucks of peace cannot be induced to start rolling in a timely manner, then maybe some cletus can pay homage to christchurch to further enlarge the divide, all for the one understanding: that a united united states is in no one's best interest

[chetak]

US can now deny visas for foreigners with diabetes & other chronic illnesses in latest directive

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/edu ... 177255.cms

The United States can now deny visas and green cards for foreign nationals seeking to immigrate to the country based on pre-existing chronic health conditions such as diabetes and heart disease. The new guidance was issued by the US President Donald Trump’s administration as it intensifies its crackdown on immigration.

According to The Times of India, the directive was sent by the US Department of State to the country’s embassy across the world. The move significantly expands the criteria for who is deemed a potential “public charge”. A cable sent by the Department to the visa officers instructs them to flag an applicant’s medical condition.

Biometric Crackdown: Green Card Holders Face New Rules as US Tightens Immigration Security

[drnayar]

On August 4, 1972, Uganda’s President Idi Amin announced a decision that would reshape the nation's history: the expulsion of its Asian population.
Declaring that Asians had 90 days to leave the country, Amin cited economic grievances and social divisions, accusing the community of corruption, economic exploitation, and failure to integrate.
While framed as a bold move to reclaim Uganda’s economy for its citizens, the expulsion was rooted in a complex web of colonial legacies, economic disparities, and rising nationalist sentiment.

America is no Uganda but we will see the effects in a decade

[uddu]

https://x.com/Checkmatedsl/status/1986897537173803094
@Checkmatedsl
Ilhan Omar went into a full rage, lashing out after other Somalian clans refused to back her clansman, Fateh and instead voted for Jacob Frey, calling for rival clans to be expelled and pushed out, especially since they were translating her Somalian speaking videos to the American audience.

Minnesota politics are turning into a Somalian primitive clan war

[uddu]

https://x.com/PecanC8/status/1986943422586876096
@PecanC8
Mamdani is under fire for charging people $13 per beer at his ‘victory party’.
"I arrived thinking everything would be free, only to be charged $13 for a Bud Light. I was shocked after all the hard work I put in," one progressive campaign worker said.

This is gonna be fun!

[sanjaykumar]

Is he khwaja?

[Manish_P]

https://x.com/PecanC8/status/1986943422586876096
@PecanC8
Mamdani is under fire for charging people $13 per beer at his ‘victory party’.
...

He should think of it as Jiziya and remain happy till the sharia starts making an appearance

[Manish_P]

Gautam ji, Hindus are carried by four.

Manishji: Yes, but the saying is not Indian, as we have not had jury trials for a long time now. Just being my obnoxious nitpicking self. Forgive me.
Gautam

I meant for a hindu in the US, he would face a jury of 12 Yanks and post getting injected/electrified/shot, need 4 fellow hindus to carry the body for cremation.

But no apologies needed, Gautam sir. The fault is entirely mine. I am a typical SDRE hindu and fulltime (and alltime) indian resident onleee. Hence i tend think like one and mould and mangle angrezi sayings to fit my worldview - oftentimes forgetting that the audience is more 'international'

[uddu]

https://x.com/JewsFightBack/status/1987045079291433061
@JewsFightBack
“I met the mayor-elect in late August, shortly after the primaries. A group of prominent, liberal New York City rabbis and I spent an hour with him. We entered the meeting with open hearts and open minds. Most of us had never met the candidate before, and we wanted to take the measure of the man.

As the conversation unfolded, our mood steadily darkened. What began as curiosity turned to concern. Zohran Mamdani revealed himself not as a critic of Israeli policies, but as an ideologically rigid opponent of the Zionist idea itself.

Policy disagreements are natural and even healthy within the Democratic discourse. But Mamdani’s views go far beyond that. He does not believe in coexistence or in two states for two peoples. His opposition to Israel is existential. He believes Israel has no right to exist at all as a Jewish state—on any land, in any borders.

That belief places him squarely alongside Israel’s most implacable enemies: Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, and their sympathizers in the West.

This is why Mamdani struggles to distance himself from slogans like “Globalize the Intifada,” “Free, free Palestine,” and “From the river to the sea.” He can’t, because those aren’t fringe chants to him—they reflect his core convictions. He doesn’t hide it. In fact, he’s proud of it. As he declared in a 2023 keynote address to the Democratic Socialists of America: “The struggle for Palestinian liberation was at the core of my politics and continues to be.”

But make no mistake—none of this is about coexistence.
For most who chant “Globalize the Intifada,” it means October 7th.
“Free, free Palestine” means October 7th.
“From the river to the sea” means October 7th.“

[sanjaykumar]

He is finished in US politics. It’s only a matter of time

[Aldonkar]

On August 4, 1972, Uganda’s President Idi Amin announced a decision that would reshape the nation's history: the expulsion of its Asian population.
Declaring that Asians had 90 days to leave the country, Amin cited economic grievances and social divisions, accusing the community of corruption, economic exploitation, and failure to integrate.
While framed as a bold move to reclaim Uganda’s economy for its citizens, the expulsion was rooted in a complex web of colonial legacies, economic disparities, and rising nationalist sentiment.

America is no Uganda but we will see the effects in a decade

This posting does not pertain to the US and so may be considered to be off topic but I am aware that I am one of the few posters on this board that has an East African birth (Kenya, next door to Uganda, in my case) and had some knowledge of the "Idi Amin affair" as I met many Ugandan Asians and quite a few Ugandan Africans around the time of the events under discussion.

One has to bear in mind that the term "Asian" meant someone from the Indian Subcontinent encompassing Hindus, Muslims and Christians, not East Asians as in the US. There was a lot of prejudice against Asians in East Africa prior to independence as the native Africans saw them as a hindrance to their economic progress occupying the middle ground between the proles (African) and the people in power (mostly European). Idi Amin was an illiterate tribesman who was a sergeant in the Uganda Rifles immediately before Uganda got independence. When it became obvious the the Brits were on their way out, he was rapidly advanced (along with another African sergeant) to officer status as there were no Africans above sergeant level. Uganda achieved independence in 1961 if my memory serves with Milton Obote as Prime Minister.

Suffice to say I was a schoolboy when this happened, some years later following a "revolution" that ousted Obote, Amin (now a self appointed General) assumed the reins as Prime Minister. The Europeans had mainly left Uganda, but the Asians had stayed. Among them were a couple of wealthy families who owned some of the industries that generated most of Uganda's industrial output. The Mahadvani family had made their money in sugar, cement and various industries and were reputed to be the richest family in East Africa. They were founded by a Gujerati businessman who had passed away, leaving his five sons in charge with the eldest son calling the shots. This son was now in his mid fifties.

Suddenly this eldest son died of natural causes; Idi Amin was informed and thought that this was the opportunity to get rich. Even before the funeral was held, he contacted the widow and proposed marriage! She was obviously quick thinking and said that first she needed to bury her husband; Mrs Mahadvani contacted her brother in law and explained the situation. He asked her to gather her important possessions and put her on a flight out of Africa. When Amin realised that he had been outsmarted, he flew into a rage and announced that the Asians were tricky and he has a dream to expel them.

The rest is history. It did not end well for Amin or Uganda.

[drnayar]

[youtube]TEc-SaFZy14[/youtube

America is no Uganda but we will see the effects in a decade

This posting does not pertain to the US and so may be considered to be off topic but I am aware that I am one of the few posters on this board that has an East African birth (Kenya, next door to Uganda, in my case) and had some knowledge of the "Idi Amin affair" as I met many Ugandan Asians and quite a few Ugandan Africans around the time of the events under discussion.

One has to bear in mind that the term "Asian" meant someone from the Indian Subcontinent encompassing Hindus, Muslims and Christians, not East Asians as in the US. There was a lot of prejudice against Asians in East Africa prior to independence as the native Africans saw them as a hindrance to their economic progress occupying the middle ground between the proles (African) and the people in power (mostly European). Idi Amin was an illiterate tribesman who was a sergeant in the Uganda Rifles immediately before Uganda got independence. When it became obvious the the Brits were on their way out, he was rapidly advanced (along with another African sergeant) to officer status as there were no Africans above sergeant level. Uganda achieved independence in 1961 if my memory serves with Milton Obote as Prime Minister.

Suffice to say I was a schoolboy when this happened, some years later following a "revolution" that ousted Obote, Amin (now a self appointed General) assumed the reins as Prime Minister. The Europeans had mainly left Uganda, but the Asians had stayed. Among them were a couple of wealthy families who owned some of the industries that generated most of Uganda's industrial output. The Mahadvani family had made their money in sugar, cement and various industries and were reputed to be the richest family in East Africa. They were founded by a Gujerati businessman who had passed away, leaving his five sons in charge with the eldest son calling the shots. This son was now in his mid fifties.

Suddenly this eldest son died of natural causes; Idi Amin was informed and thought that this was the opportunity to get rich. Even before the funeral was held, he contacted the widow and proposed marriage! She was obviously quick thinking and said that first she needed to bury her husband; Mrs Mahadvani contacted her brother in law and explained the situation. He asked her to gather her important possessions and put her on a flight out of Africa. When Amin realised that he had been outsmarted, he flew into a rage and announced that the Asians were tricky and he has a dream to expel them.

The rest is history. It did not end well for Amin or Uganda.

Thank you for posting this .. reminds me that BRF has some illustrious members in its fraternity !

[uddu]

Why the US Might Intervene in Nigeria’s Growing Religious Crisis
Why is Nigeria so deeply divided between Muslims and Christians,

and How has this division created ripples that reach far beyond its borders and into the global stage.

Who are the main victims of this fifteen-year-long, never-ending conflict, And why has Nigeria struggled to protect its own citizens from this ongoing threat

Most importantly, how does the United States plan to respond—through strategy, support, or even Military force all in the Video Ahead.

[uddu]

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1987368508645384295
@CollinRugg
NEW: BBC to apologize for deceptively editing President Trump’s January 6 speech in an effort to make it look like he encouraged violence at the Capitol.

The apology letter is reportedly expected to come early next week.

“Samir Shah, the BBC’s chairman, will write to the culture, media and sport committee on Monday to express regret for the way the speech, made on the day of the Jan 6 2021 Capitol riot, was spliced together,” the Telegraph reported.

BBC’s director general Tim Davie and Shah were both allegedly warned about the doctored footage in May but decided to keep quiet, according to the outlet.

[Rudradev]

The Jews are having a worse time in the US than ever.

On the one hand, the left wing of the Democratic party has been completely infiltrated by Islamists who launched the "Globalize the Intifada" movement. This happened shortly after the October 7th attacks, leading most Jews (or at least, most Jewish-American political activist organizations like AIPAC or ADL) to support Trump in the 2024 election.

One the other hand, there is now a major civil war raging within MAGA, and it doesn't bode well for the future of Jews in the Republican party.

The Groyper wing of the MAGA movement (whose best known representative is internet personality Nick Fuentes) is overtly racist and misogynist, openly pro-Hitler, and has been attacking Trump (and traditional Republicans) for being too pro-Israel.

The "Mainstream MAGA" faction, in which people like Ben Shapiro (Orthodox Jewish founder of the Daily Wire) once enjoyed supreme prominence, was until recently quite successful in pressuring the bulk of traditional and MAGA Republicans to freeze out the Groypers by ignoring them, refusing to 'platform' them etc.

Charlie Kirk was the bridge that the "Mainstream MAGA" faction was building towards the Groyper faction. Mainstream MAGA hoped that Kirk, by emphasizing Christian identity over race while still appealing to white resentment over issues like immigration and affirmative action, would be able to win over the large audience of young men ("Groypers") drawn to Nick Fuentes' point of view.

Two significant things happened after Charlie Kirk was assassinated (thereby destroying the 'bridge').

One is that Tucker Carlson-- a much more mainstream figure than Nick Fuentes-- recently hosted Nick Fuentes on his popular podcast, thereby giving him a much bigger platform than he previously enjoyed. According to Ben Shapiro, who has been vociferously critical of this, Carlson shied away from asking Fuentes any tough questions and the net result was that Nick Fuentes (with his overt Neo-Nazi rhetoric and strident anti-Israel posture) has now been made broadly acceptable within MAGA.

Two-- and even more worryingly for Ben Shapiro and the pro-Israel people in Mainstream MAGA-- an extremely influential conservative organization and think-tank, the Heritage Foundation, has come out more or less in support of Carlson after Shapiro's criticism of him for the Fuentes episode. The Heritage Foundation has been the center of gravity for conservative Republican ideological and political thought in America for decades. It does not get more mainstream than this.

Putting all this together, Ben Shapiro finds himself (and other Jewish, pro-Israeli members of the MAGA movement) in deep trouble. It looks like the anti-Jewish, anti-Israel position of the Groypers is now gaining ground within the base of the MAGA movement in general. Traditional Republicans (like Ted Cruz, Lyndsey Graham etc.) were in any case scared of openly confronting the MAGA base, but until this point had remained firmly pro-Israel, believing that Mainstream MAGA would support them in this position despite the growing presence of Groypers. But now, this can no longer be counted on.

In short, the Jews who went pro-Trump in 2024 in order to safeguard Israel's interests are now finding themselves systematically thrown under the bus by the MAGA movement. This is a disaster for them, since much of the Democratic Party has already embraced Jihadi Islamiyat as a social-justice ideology on the Israel-Palestine question.

Many Indians in the Republican Party (such as Nikki Haley and Dinesh D'Souza) and the MAGA movement (such as Vivek Ramaswamy and Kash Patel) find themselves in a similar situation as the Jews. The Groypers have been on the vanguard of the intense anti-Hindu and anti-Indian hatred that has now come to permeate nearly all of American right-wing discourse.

So far, neither Mainstream MAGA nor traditional Republicans have done much to push back against this. With the Groypers becoming more prominent and expanding into the Mainstream MAGA movement itself, things are only going to get worse for Indians in either MAGA or the Republican Party. After all-- if the mainstream power structures of the Republican party are happy to throw the much more powerful Israel lobby under the bus, what chance do a bunch of heathen and non-white Hindus have?

The only silver lining here is that Pro-Israel Jews and Indian (especially Hindu) Americans now find themselves jammed very firmly into the same boat. Neither group has numbers. The Jews have money, a sense of united political identity, and until recently HAD strong institutional ties with both the Republican and the Democratic establishments. The Indians have... money, and that's about all.

Nonetheless, the growing prominence of existential threats to both Indians and Jews from both right and left may finally force these groups to collaborate more effectively in formulating and implementing strategy in our common interest.

[Rudradev]

Cliff notes version:

The post-Trump era of the Republican Party is already here. Nobody expects Trump or his immediate family to retain influence beyond 2028 (or even 2026, given the expected wave of Democratic party victories in the midterms that will effectively cripple the Trump administration's ability to govern).

All eyes are on 2028 and there are two main contenders for Trump's mantle. One is Vice President JD Vance. The other, backed by the Heritage Foundation, is Tucker Carlson.

Both these contenders want to maximize their appeal to the White Christian Nationalist base that MAGA depends on for votes.

Vance played to this base by embracing Erika Kirk and positioning himself as the guiding light of the Turning Point USA fraternity after the death of its founder, Charlie Kirk. To further enhance his appeal on the basis of Christian identity, he has recently come out with "I hope Usha converts to Christianity", etc.

Carlson, meanwhile, played to this same base by platforming and 'mainstreaming' its most extreme of prophets, Nick Fuentes. This has involved effectively endorsing Fuentes' open anti-Semitism and anti-Israel positions.

The Heritage Foundation has come out in favour of Carlson in this.

So the choice is between the Vance/TPUSA wing who are Christian extremists-- and whose continued support of Israel derives from the Evangelical Christian position that all Jews must return to the Holy Land before Jesus can come back, send them all to hell, and declare the apocalypse. Or the overt White Supremacists of the Carlson/Fuentes/Groyper wing who have now received a massive boost with the open backing of the Heritage Foundation.

Interesting times.

[vijayk]

HAMAS will soon move their base from Qatar to NY I guess. Both Dems and Gropyers will join them. Will be led by a mayor and Congresswoman from NY. Great times indeed

[Vayutuvan]

HAMAS will soon move their base from Qatar to NY I guess. Both Dems and Gropyers will join them. Will be led by a mayor and Congresswoman from NY. Great times indeed

Soon to be senator from NY. Chucky boy is history, IMHO.

[Vayutuvan]

What do folks think of this? Who initiated this attack on Hindu-Americans? Obama/KD Harris/SPLC/Al Sharpton/Ilhan Omar/Ayanna Pressley/...

Indians are Being Hit left and Right with Wake-Up Calls

Indian Americans, often thought of as model minorities, are being hit left and right with wake-up calls. From Nikki Haley to Usha Vance, MAGA is showing that they have no respect for them.

[Vayutuvan]

One of the comments in the above YT video.

@garyspence2128
12 hours ago
Kamala never identified as strictly Indian, and she didn't join the conservative movement or causes. Why would she be included in this collection of tokens? If you're insistent on criticizing her, find a more appropriate forum for that. Kamala identifies with us, not with the rightwing, or with the Indian segment of the Republican party. You're reaching for something that isn't there.

[bala]

MAGA is showing that they have no respect for them

See the above is a camouflage for the US Deep State which is firing atop MAGA and DJT in the US. Apparently DJT has a pact with the right wing of US Deep State (yes, they have all factions covered, that is how they operate worldwide) after two assasination attempts on him. They are using this opportunity to go after their targets one by one. China is very important since the Deep State investments in China are stuck and they need China's help to take them out intact. China is also using this to drive a wedge between the US and India. All Indians who have influence and/or money are natural targets. The US Deep State does not want India to take advantage of the dispute between US and China. This is carefully orchestrated and calibrated while they deal with China. Putting India a few notches down is the goal. Most indians in the republican side are highly competent self-made compared to the ones on the left wing side of US.