Notice how PM Mode doesn't mention "my friend President Trump"Amber G. wrote: ↑12 Dec 2025 01:14 Ambassador Sergio Gor tweets:
PM Modi:President Trump spoke with Prime Minister Modi this morning. A GREAT call between two friends. Prime Minister @narendramodi reiterated his support for the President’s efforts to bring peace to Ukraine.
11:31 AM · Dec 11, 2025Had a very warm and engaging conversation with President Trump. We reviewed the progress in our bilateral relations and discussed regional and international developments. India and the U.S. will continue to work together for global peace, stability and prosperity.
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This is because gerrymandering is a two-way street.
Say for example you have a total of 15 districts in which 4 are strongly leaning democrat and 11 are strongly leaning republican.
"Gerrymandering" means redrawing the boundaries of districts, to sometimes absurd extents, to achieve a greater number of districts that are statistically likely to vote for a member of your own party. So let's say in the example the republicans gerrymander the above 15 districts to leave only 2 leaning democrat.
It is not possible to do this without incorporating democrat-leaning populations into some of the 13 newly proposed districts which you expect to lean republican. That means that the 13 new districts will not be AS solidly republican-leaning as compared to the previous 11.
This is not a welcome development for local politicians who were accustomed to having 'safe' seats-- they previously had good equations and 'settings' with their constituents, but all of a sudden they have to work on a whole new constituency.
And at a time when the economy is in the toilet and the democrats are winning everywhere, it is enough to send the local republican politicians into panic mode.
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it is for 92 f-16.TSP had acquired 72 or 75 minus at least 15 carshesh and destroyed so far. That means they are getting some 30s odd second hand planes
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Any idea what is this news in TIOlet bandying some new club i.e., C5??
inclding RIC and US and a 'Fifth Horseman'!!!
Any truth to this or just some kite flying before the Trade pact
inclding RIC and US and a 'Fifth Horseman'!!!
Any truth to this or just some kite flying before the Trade pact
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https://www.rediff.com/news/special/us- ... 251212.htm
'My Life Has Been Paused Without My Consent'
SYED FIRDAUS ASHRAF, December 12, 2025
Outside US consulates in India, a growing number of Indian H-1B workers can now be seen waiting with folders of documents, travel bags, and phones open on their visa portals.
What began as a steady trickle of disrupted appointments in early December has turned into a widespread wave of cancellations that has caught many professionals by surprise.
The H-1B visa allows American companies to hire foreign professionals for specialty jobs that require specific skills and is awarded to holders of bachelor's degree or higher.
It is one of the most commonly used visas in the technology, engineering, science, research and healthcare sectors.
Most of these Indian applicants had planned their trips months in advance, coordinating family visits, work leave, and international flights around tightly scheduled visa interviews for renewal.
Instead, many find themselves stranded in India, unable to return to their jobs in the United States because their appointments were abruptly cancelled by the US consulates or pushed far into the future.
For the affected workers, the problem isn't simply of delay. It is the suddenness, the lack of notice, and the uncertainty of when they will be able to resume their lives in the US.
The disruptions began almost immediately after the US state department introduced a new requirement for consular officers to review applicants' social media and online presence as part of the security vetting process.
American consulates across India appear to be adjusting at different speeds, resulting in inconsistent rescheduling decisions -- some pushing interviews by weeks, others by more than four months.
Raghav Subramani, a software engineer from San Diego, arrived in Chennai expecting a straightforward renewal. "I flew almost 20 hours to get here," Subramani tells Rediff. "At the airport, I saw an e-mail saying my appointment was cancelled."
"Now I have been given a new date which is in March. No explanation, nothing. It feels like my life has been paused without my consent," Subramani adds.
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Gautam
'My Life Has Been Paused Without My Consent'
SYED FIRDAUS ASHRAF, December 12, 2025
Outside US consulates in India, a growing number of Indian H-1B workers can now be seen waiting with folders of documents, travel bags, and phones open on their visa portals.
What began as a steady trickle of disrupted appointments in early December has turned into a widespread wave of cancellations that has caught many professionals by surprise.
The H-1B visa allows American companies to hire foreign professionals for specialty jobs that require specific skills and is awarded to holders of bachelor's degree or higher.
It is one of the most commonly used visas in the technology, engineering, science, research and healthcare sectors.
Most of these Indian applicants had planned their trips months in advance, coordinating family visits, work leave, and international flights around tightly scheduled visa interviews for renewal.
Instead, many find themselves stranded in India, unable to return to their jobs in the United States because their appointments were abruptly cancelled by the US consulates or pushed far into the future.
For the affected workers, the problem isn't simply of delay. It is the suddenness, the lack of notice, and the uncertainty of when they will be able to resume their lives in the US.
The disruptions began almost immediately after the US state department introduced a new requirement for consular officers to review applicants' social media and online presence as part of the security vetting process.
American consulates across India appear to be adjusting at different speeds, resulting in inconsistent rescheduling decisions -- some pushing interviews by weeks, others by more than four months.
Raghav Subramani, a software engineer from San Diego, arrived in Chennai expecting a straightforward renewal. "I flew almost 20 hours to get here," Subramani tells Rediff. "At the airport, I saw an e-mail saying my appointment was cancelled."
"Now I have been given a new date which is in March. No explanation, nothing. It feels like my life has been paused without my consent," Subramani adds.
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Gautam
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https://www.congress.gov/congressional- ... le/S8544-2
Transmittal No. 22-08
Notice of Proposed Issuance of Letter of Offer Pursuant to
Section 36(b)(1) of the Arms Export Control Act, as
amended
(i) Prospective Purchaser: Government of Pakistan.
(ii) Total Estimated Value:
Major Defense Equipment <sup>*</sup> $37 million.
Other $649 million.
Total $686 million.
Funding Source: National Funds.
(iii) Description and Quantity or Quantities of Articles or
Services under Consideration for Purchase:
Major Defense Equipment (MDE):
Ninety-two (92) Link-16 systems.
Six (6) Mk-82 inert 500-lb general purpose bomb bodies.
Non-Major Defense Equipment:
The following non-MDE items will also be included: aircraft
hardware and software modifications to support Operational
Flight Program and mandated avionics updates; AN/APX-126 (or
equivalent) Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF); KY-
58M and KIV-78 cryptographic appliques; AN/APQ-10C Simple Key
Loaders; additional secure communications, precision
navigation, and cryptographic devices and support; Joint
Mission Planning Systems and support; Common Munitions Built-
in-test Reprogramming Equipment; ADU-981 missile adaptor
units and other weapons integration, test, and support
equipment; spare and repair parts; software delivery and
support; publications and technical documentation; full
motion simulator, personnel training, and training equipment;
U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and
logistics support services; studies and surveys; and other
related elements of logistical and program support.
(iv) Military Department: Air Force (PK-D-VAA).
(v) Prior Related Cases, if any: None.
(vi) Sales Commission, Fee, etc., Paid, Offered, or Agreed
to be Paid: None known at this time.
(vii) Sensitivity of Technology Contained in the Defense
Article or Defense Services Proposed to be Sold: See Attached
Annex.
(viii) Date Report Delivered to Congress: December 4, 2025.
* As defined in Section 47(6) of the Arms Export Control
Act.
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POLICY JUSTIFICATION
Pakistan--F-16 Cryptographic Mandate Compliance and Service Life
Extension Program
The Government of Pakistan has requested to buy ninety-two
(92) Link-16 systems and six (6) Mk-82 inert 500-lb general
purpose bomb bodies. The following non-MDE items will also be
included: aircraft hardware and software modifications to
support Operational Flight Program and mandated avionics
updates; AN/APX-126 (or equivalent) Advanced Identification
Friend or Foe (AIFF); KY-58M and KIV-78 cryptographic
appliques; AN/APQ-10C Simple Key Loaders; additional secure
communications, precision navigation, and cryptographic
devices and support; Joint Mission Planning Systems and
support; Common Munitions Built-in-test Reprogramming
Equipment; ADU-981 missile adaptor units and other weapons
integration, test, and support equipment; spare and repair
parts; software delivery and support; publications and
technical documentation; full motion simulator, personnel
training, and training equipment; U.S. Government and
contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support
services; studies and surveys; and other related elements of
logistical and program support. The estimated total cost is
$686 million.
This proposed sale will support the foreign policy and
national security objectives of the United States by allowing
Pakistan to retain interoperability with U.S. and partner
forces in ongoing counterterrorism efforts and in preparation
for future contingency operations.
The proposed sale will maintain Pakistan's capability to
meet current and future threats by updating and refurbishing
its Block-52 and Mid Life Upgrade F-16 fleet. These updates
will provide more seamless integration and interoperability
between the Pakistan Air Force and the U.S. Air Force in
combat operations, exercises, and training, and refurbishment
will extend the aircraft life through 2040 while addressing
critical flight safety concerns. Pakistan has shown a
commitment to maintaining its military forces and will have
no difficulty absorbing these articles and services into its
armed forces.
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not
alter the basic military balance in the region.
The principal contractor will be Lockheed Martin Company,
located in Fort Worth, TX. At this time, the U.S. Government
is not aware of any offset agreement proposed in connection
with this potential sale. Any offset agreement will be
defined in negotiations between the purchaser and the
contractor.
Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the
assignment of any additional U.S. Government or contractor
representatives to Pakistan.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness
as a result of this proposed sale.
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Annex Item No. vii
(vii) Sensitivity of Technology:
1. The Link-16 is an advanced command, control,
communications, and intelligence (C31) system incorporating
high capacity, jam-resistant, digital communication links for
exchange of near real-time tactical information, including
both data and voice, among air, ground, and sea elements. It
provides the warfighter key theater functions such as
surveillance, identification, air control, weapons engagement
coordination, and direction for all services and allied
forces. With updated cryptography, Link-16 will ensure
interoperability into the future.
2. The Mk-82 inert general purpose bomb is a 500-lb, free-
fall, unguided, low-drag inert weapon used for integration
testing. There is no explosive fill.
3. The AN/APX-126 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe
Combined Interrogator Transponder is a system capable of
transmitting and interrogating Mode 5.
4. The KY-58 and KIV-78 is a crypto applique for Mode 5
Identification Friend or Foe equipment. It can be loaded with
Mode 5 classified elements.
5. The AN/APQ-10C Simple Key Loader is a handheld fill
device for securely receiving, storing, and transferring data
between cryptographic and communications equipment.
6. The Joint Mission Planning System is a multi-platform
PC-based mission planning system.
7. The Common Munitions Built-In-Test Reprogramming
Equipment (CMBRE) testers and ADU-891 missile adaptors for
CMBRE testers are used to test the electronics in air-to-
ground munitions and air-to-air missiles.
8. The highest level of classification of defense articles,
components, and services included in this potential sale is
SECRET.
9. If a technologically advanced adversary were to obtain
knowledge of the specific hardware and software elements, the
information could be used to develop countermeasures that
might reduce weapon system effectiveness or be used in the
development of a system with similar or advanced
capabilities.
10. A determination has been made that Pakistan can provide
substantially the same degree of protection for the sensitive
technology being released as the U.S. Government. This sale
is necessary in furtherance of the U.S. foreign policy and
national security objectives outlined in the Policy
Justification.
11. All defense articles and services listed in this
transmittal have been authorized for release and export to
the Government of Pakistan.
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AI says: This is a Foreign Military Sales (FMS) package, meaning the US government facilitates the sale, but Pakistan procures and pays for the equipment and services, distinguishing it from direct grant aid.
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The U.S. Link 16 system is a secure, jam-resistant tactical data link (TDL) used by the U.S. military and NATO allies to share real-time battlefield info (positions, status, imagery, voice) between platforms like aircraft, ships, and ground forces, boosting situational awareness through its robust, frequency-hopping technology (TDMA) operating in the 960-1215 MHz band, forming the backbone for joint operations and command & control, despite future shifts towards optical comms.
How it Works
Networked: Every terminal acts as a node, sharing data across different time slots in the network.
Line-of-Sight (LOS): Primarily works over LOS, but data can be relayed via satellites or landlines (JREAP/SIMPLE) for extended range.
Frequency: Operates in the 960–1215 MHz band.
U.S. Implementation & Evolution
Standards: Governed by MIL-STD-6016 (DoD) and STANAG 5516 (NATO).
Hardware: Utilizes terminals like MIDS (Multifunctional Information Distribution System) and newer compact radios for various platforms, including small UAS and even handhelds.
Future: While foundational, the Pentagon is exploring future optical comms (laser-based) for space to overcome RF limitations, but Link 16 remains crucial.
How it Works
Networked: Every terminal acts as a node, sharing data across different time slots in the network.
Line-of-Sight (LOS): Primarily works over LOS, but data can be relayed via satellites or landlines (JREAP/SIMPLE) for extended range.
Frequency: Operates in the 960–1215 MHz band.
U.S. Implementation & Evolution
Standards: Governed by MIL-STD-6016 (DoD) and STANAG 5516 (NATO).
Hardware: Utilizes terminals like MIDS (Multifunctional Information Distribution System) and newer compact radios for various platforms, including small UAS and even handhelds.
Future: While foundational, the Pentagon is exploring future optical comms (laser-based) for space to overcome RF limitations, but Link 16 remains crucial.
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Trying to figure that out, but public info. is scarce. If the US is paying for it, the info. will be there in public sources but obscure. Maybe Saudi is paying for it?
In any case, we are told Pakistan put in the request for this sale in 2021, but the Biden administration did not act on it. Now Trump has approved it, for whatever reason - US strategy? or sweetheart crypto deal? Or Nobel Peace Prize nomination?
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https://x.com/KanwalSibal/status/1999333389565067526
@KanwalSibal
Surprisingly, India is not included, but the other two Quad partners are.
Trump is bent on downgrading ties with India, exposing America’s unreliability as a partner more and more.
In October 2024 India and the US had signed a new MoU to expand and diversify critical minerals supply chains, with the aim of leveraging the two countries' complementary strengths to ensure greater resilience in the critical minerals sector.
The US has ignored this MoU.
https://www.state.gov/releases/office-o ... nitiative/
What is Pax Silica Initiative? The US-led grouping that excluded India
https://www.wionews.com/world/what-is-p ... 5541403919
The alliance seeks to strengthen supply security for rare minerals and other resources vital for advanced AI technologies, reducing reliance on China, which currently controls nearly 70% of global rare earth mining.
The Trump administration's initiative features the United States and eight partner countries, which include Singapore, Australia, Japan, South Korea, and Israel as founding members.
@KanwalSibal
Surprisingly, India is not included, but the other two Quad partners are.
Trump is bent on downgrading ties with India, exposing America’s unreliability as a partner more and more.
In October 2024 India and the US had signed a new MoU to expand and diversify critical minerals supply chains, with the aim of leveraging the two countries' complementary strengths to ensure greater resilience in the critical minerals sector.
The US has ignored this MoU.
https://www.state.gov/releases/office-o ... nitiative/
What is Pax Silica Initiative? The US-led grouping that excluded India
https://www.wionews.com/world/what-is-p ... 5541403919
The alliance seeks to strengthen supply security for rare minerals and other resources vital for advanced AI technologies, reducing reliance on China, which currently controls nearly 70% of global rare earth mining.
The Trump administration's initiative features the United States and eight partner countries, which include Singapore, Australia, Japan, South Korea, and Israel as founding members.
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^^^^ “ Additional signatories are expected to follow, it added.”
“ Helberg said that the Trump administration aims to expand the coalition from the initial five countries that sign the declaration to include more allies and partners with mineral, technological and manufacturing resources.”
“ Helberg said that the Trump administration aims to expand the coalition from the initial five countries that sign the declaration to include more allies and partners with mineral, technological and manufacturing resources.”
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FYI, per AI, in the initial Pax Silica countries, the proven rare earth reserves amount to 6.3% to 7.6% of the world total - basically in the US and Australia. Japan and Korea have processing capacity, based on imported rare earth material.
-- Canada was a natural choice for this new group, but is not a founding member. It is being invited, though.
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/nrcan ... 025-EN.png
-- Canada was a natural choice for this new group, but is not a founding member. It is being invited, though.
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/nrcan ... 025-EN.png
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Singapore and Israel also have fabs, IIRC. India doesn't have one yet.
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Must-Read article. The ONLY difference between Obama/Clinton's nurturing of the Muslim Brotherhood during the Arab Spring, and the Trump Administration's activities in Bangladesh today, was that at least the Arab Spring was not in India's immediate backyard. I pity the fools who thought that defunding USAID meant that the Trump administration was aligned with India's interests.
https://www.meforum.org/islamist-watch/ ... bangladesh
The U.S. Government Embraces an Islamist Bangladesh
U.S. Embassy Officials and a Republican Party Think Tank Pursue a Working Relationship with Terror-Tied Mass-Murderers
December 10, 2025 Sam Westrop Usanas Foundation
https://www.meforum.org/islamist-watch/ ... bangladesh
The U.S. Government Embraces an Islamist Bangladesh
U.S. Embassy Officials and a Republican Party Think Tank Pursue a Working Relationship with Terror-Tied Mass-Murderers
December 10, 2025 Sam Westrop Usanas Foundation
U.S. embassy officials in Bangladesh this week met with Islamist officials at the Sylhet regional office of Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, the violent, terror-tied Islamist movement responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians during Bangladesh’s 1971 Liberation War.
The trip to Sylhet was just the latest in a string of meetings between representatives of the U.S. State Department and officials of Jamaat and other dangerous Islamist movements, as Bangladesh’s February elections, an ostensible conclusion to the 2024 mass uprising against the government of Sheikh Hasina, draw closer.
With Islamists and their allies leading the polls, a theocratic future for Bangladesh looks increasingly likely, and Jamaat-e-Islami appears poised to take power.
With branches across South Asia, Jamaat-e-Islami not only engaged in acts of genocide and mass-rape in 1971, but for decades has advanced theocratic politics and violence across South Asia and among Bangladeshi diaspora communities. Jamaat’s offshoots commit terror attacks and its officials incite hatred and violence against Muslim minorities, Hindus, Jews, and the Western world.
In 2014, Jane’s Terrorism and Insurgency Centre named Islami Chhatra Shibir, Jamaat’s student wing in Bangladesh, the third-most violent non-state armed group in the world. An Australian government report states: “In the lead-up to and following the 2014 elections, Jamaat-e-Islami activists launched a wave of attacks against the Hindu community, killing more than two dozen, destroying hundreds of homes and businesses, and displacing thousands.”
A year later, a Canadian government report notes, human rights organizations documented Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh’s role in the murder of civilians and police, including petrol bomb attacks.
Nonetheless, the U.S. has been talking with Jamaat for some time. On the eve of violent protests against Sheikh Hasina’s government in 2023, a U.S. diplomat met with a senior Jamaat leader at the American Club in Dhaka. At the same time, Bangladeshi commentators alleged Islamist contact with other U.S. embassy officials.
In 2025, the U.S. government’s outreach to Jamaat really took off. In March, two former U.S. ambassadors visited Jamaat’s headquarters to meet with the Islamist movement’s leaders. In June, officials invited a Jamaat “delegation” to the U.S. embassy to discuss “leadership selection, organisational structure, decision-making transparency, and the party’s stance on the rights of women and minority communities.”
In July, Traci Anne Jacobson, the chargé d’affaires at the U.S. embassy, visited the headquarters of Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, where she met with Jamaat’s ameer (leader), Shafiqur Rahman.
Rahman refers to Jews as the “enemy of humanity.” He recently praised Hamas terror leader Yahya Sinwar as a “hero.”
The Trump administration handed Rahman a visa in November 2025 to visit the United States, where the Islamist leader met with American Jamaat-e-Islami activists and reportedly “held meetings in New York, Buffalo, Michigan, and Washington D.C., with both government and non-government representatives.”
In August, U.S. embassy officials also met with Islami Andolan Bangladesh at its Dhaka office. An Islamist party that looks increasingly competitive in the polls, Islami Andolan Bangladesh, has vowed to impose sharia law nationally and model Bangladesh on the Taliban’s Afghanistan. A Jamaat-led coalition regime involving Islami Andolan Bangladesh and other Islamists is looking increasingly likely.
Leaders of another key Jamaat ally, the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), have also met with U.S. officials in London. In the U.S., both the BNP and Jamaat have, in recent years, jointly spent millions on lobbying firms.
Officials from a leading U.S. publicly funded think tank, the International Republican Institute (IRI) have been particularly active on the ground in Bangladesh. The IRI, which is closely associated with the ruling Republican Party, has held multiple meetings with Jamaat officials, including an August 2025 meeting at the Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh headquarters.
Bangladesh’s Islamist-friendly caretaker government, led by Muhammad Yunus, has explicitly pursued outreach to Republican Party members in the United States through the International Republican Institute.
IRI staff also met with Jamaat allies, the BNP, as well as the pro-Taliban Islami Andolan Bangladesh.
Several of IRI’s meetings were attended by officials of the National Democratic Institute (NDI), with which the IRI has shared staff in Bangladesh and operates joint projects. Both are dependents of the U.S. government-funded National Endowment for Democracy.
The U.S. is not alone in seeking influence. Governments from around the world have sought an audience with Jamaat leaders. One Bangladeshi media outlet reports that, in September 2025, “envoys from 19 countries and three international organisations held formal meetings with Jamaat leaders. … Over the past year, that figure has swelled to at least 35 nations including heavyweights like the United States, United Kingdom, China, Russia, France, Germany, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and the European Union.”
Jamaat’s infamous violent student wing is also reportedly “now part of this global outreach” to Western governments.
Jamaat-e-Islami claims to be winning over Western diplomats: “We’re being asked: What will Jamaat do now? What is your manifesto? Are you committed to democratic processes? … After listening to our side, many say the negative narratives they’d heard were false and some even laugh, realising how distorted the picture had been.”
Following the collapse of the Awami League government in 2024, as a result of Jamaat-backed protests, the interim government under Muhammad Yunus brought violent Islamist movements into the political mainstream, and has persistently looked the other way as Islamist and anti-minority violence grows.
Authorities have jailed dozens of journalists, including the anti-Jamaat filmmaker Shahriar Kabir, who was seemingly arrested at the request of Islamists. The U.S.-backed interim government, employing the rhetoric of despots, declared Kabir’s crime to be “objectionable and misleading statements that are detrimental to communal harmony and subversive of the state,” and “tarnishing the image of Bangladesh and of the government in the outside world.”
Bangladesh’s Islamist movements operate with increasing impunity, as commentators warn of mob attacks on Hindu and Christian communities, growing calls for repressive blasphemy laws, and increasing levels of jihadist activity.
In August last year, a U.N. report notes, BNP and “some members, supporters and local leaders” of Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh were found to have committed a series of violent attacks against political opponents as well as “members of the Hindu community.”
The Trump administration appear to be repeating the mistakes of the past few decades, when policymakers and intelligence officials began to regard the Muslim Brotherhood as a potential stabilizing force in a new Egypt, and a partner for counter-terrorism efforts domestically.
As the academic Anne Pierce notes, following the ouster of the Mubarak regime in Egypt, “Brotherhood participation in presidential elections was so controversial in Egypt itself that, even after Mubarak’s ouster, Brotherhood leaders themselves promised not to run for election. Rather than attempting to publicly hold them to this pledge, or at least staying neutral on the subject, Obama and Clinton again publicly offered support for Muslim Brotherhood participation in Egyptian elections.”
Across the Middle East, Western governments worked to embrace Arab Spring Islamists and abandon counter-Islamist allies. Dangerous Islamist diaspora networks, meanwhile, established new infrastructure that operated freely across the West, as government prosecutions into Western proxies for terror groups such as Hamas were permanently shelved.
The government-backed IRI and NDI became intimately involved in this Islamist outreach. As early as 2007, a U.S. Institute for Peace report discussed “U.S.-funded engagement with legal, nonviolent Islamist parties [in the Middle East] through the National Democratic Institute (NDI) and the International Republican Institute (IRI).” The two publicly-funded groups, the report noted, “have the most extensive experience engaging with Islamists in the region” and have worked particularly closely in “Morocco, Jordan, and Yemen, because of their relative political openness and the strength and vibrancy of their Islamist political opposition.”
Delusion about Islamist engagement never faded. As recently as 2024, the NDI openly worked in Yemen to empower the terror-tied Muslim Brotherhood offshoot Al-Islah.
More recently, federal departments have handed millions to key institutions of foreign Islamist movements, including the Hamas-connected Malaysian offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Now, it seems, Trump administration officials and quangos such as the NDI and IRI are making the same mistakes yet again in South Asia, convinced that Jamaat can be a moderating force over the future politics of a grim and theocratic Bangladesh.
One Bangladeshi news outlet explains Western diplomats’ visits to Jamaat headquarters: “Professor Ruhul Amin of Dhaka University … argues that Western powers now view Islamic parties not as threats to democracy, but as potential stabilisers—provided they operate within constitutional frameworks. ‘They want partners committed to human rights, inclusion and good governance. And they’re testing whether Jamaat fits that mould.’”
Will Western governments ever learn?
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@Rudradev a few words for skeptics on why this is any different from India’s handshake with the Afghan Taliban would be welcome, if I have permission to quote.
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A few differences at least are glaringly obvious, maybe there are more:
1) Afghanistan is India's direct and immediate neighbour (since we do not recognize the illegal occupation of Gilgit Baltistan by Pakistan). You cannot pick your neighbours, and no rational country would cultivate anything but positive relations with its neighbours to the extent possible, regardless of who happens to be in charge there. Bangladesh, by contrast, is on the other side of the planet from the USA. How is any political overture from the USA to a particular faction within Bangladesh, and a rabid Islamist cartel at that, justified by America's core national interests? It's pure expansionist adventurism, carried out at the cost of regional stability for those who actually live there.
2) The Taliban rule over Afghanistan is a direct consequence, not of Indian involvement, but of the Doha treaty-- signed (ironically enough) by the USA, who occupied Afghanistan from 2001-2021. However flawed, Taliban rule represents a conclusion to a state of civil war that has plagued the country for nearly 40 years, and in terms of stability at least it is an improvement.
Now compare Bangladesh: largely peaceful and prosperous until American agencies together with Pakistani and Turkish proxies fomented unrest against the sitting PM Sheikh Hasina, parachuted in a puppet regime that has never established its legitimacy through elections, and now contrive to boost the most extreme of Islamic supremacists in upcoming elections with an open show of political support through overt diplomatic outreach. How has India interfered comparably in the internal politics of Afghanistan? It is only making the best of the situation in which it already finds itself.
3) While some may find the Taliban's interpretation of Islam to be distasteful and extremist, their political identity is strongly tied to Pashtun nationalism and their territorial and political aspirations are limited to Afghanistan alone. They have their emirate in Afghanistan and do not seek to expand it into a global caliphate or subjugate non-Muslim nations and people through ghazwa. To the extent they are involved in anything beyond their borders, it is to recover the land that rightfully belongs to Afghanistan, but which Pakistan and its British colonial benefactors stole from them through the contrivance of the so-called "Durand Line". This cannot be compared with groups like Jama'at e Islami and (via Turkey) the Muslim Brotherhood, whose entire project is global expansion of Islam through conquest and subjugation of others, and who are the prime movers of the political factions the USA is backing in Bangladesh today.
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Two people were killed and eight more critically injured in a shooting inside Brown University's Barus & Holley engineering building while final exams were taking place. 'Person of interest' is just caught.
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@Rudradev, thanks for articulating the reasons why India's engagement with Afghanistan is so different from the US and European engagement with Bangladesh!
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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Not to mention that US aims is to directly influence Bangladesh politics and provide covert/overt support to meet its objectives. India's relationship with Afghanistan is like establishing relationships with any other non-democracies , whether it is ME monarchies, communist countries including China & N Korea etc. US has a record of establishing relationships and influencing local politics/colour revolutions with tinpot dictatorships and authoritarian rulers.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
BHARAT HAS BECOME ONLY NATION THAT HAS GUTS TO SAY NO TO AMERICA!
Reportedly, Modi Sarkar has INSTRUCTED US to keep agriculture OUT OF TALKS wrt Trade Deal.
Means, NO ENTRY TO GHATIYA G.M. PRODUCTS IN BHARAT'S MARKET!
Health of Bharatiyas & interests of our farmers won't be compromised. If US wants a deal, it will be on Bharat's terms. Anyway, Bharat has already tapped alternative markers. US economy is screwed. Trump must realise that he needs Trade Deal more desperately than Bharat & also that Bharat doesn't have CONgress Govt anymore that will rub its nose at feet of every Tom, Dick & Harry.
watch video here
https://x.com/i/status/2000412800703959463
Reportedly, Modi Sarkar has INSTRUCTED US to keep agriculture OUT OF TALKS wrt Trade Deal.
Means, NO ENTRY TO GHATIYA G.M. PRODUCTS IN BHARAT'S MARKET!
Health of Bharatiyas & interests of our farmers won't be compromised. If US wants a deal, it will be on Bharat's terms. Anyway, Bharat has already tapped alternative markers. US economy is screwed. Trump must realise that he needs Trade Deal more desperately than Bharat & also that Bharat doesn't have CONgress Govt anymore that will rub its nose at feet of every Tom, Dick & Harry.
watch video here
https://x.com/i/status/2000412800703959463
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
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