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pmund wrote:Yes. Didnt even know such a unit existed. Is it a 'special' special forces unit. Had heard about a unit solely dedicated to hunting down wanted terrorists. They live off the ground or their backpacks, remain incommunicado, and chase down terrorists as far as they go. Didnt know whether it was fiction or fact. Is this the same group?? Anyone who has any info please share it
pmund wrote:Yes. Didnt even know such a unit existed. Is it a 'special' special forces unit. Had heard about a unit solely dedicated to hunting down wanted terrorists. They live off the ground or their backpacks, remain incommunicado, and chase down terrorists as far as they go. Didnt know whether it was fiction or fact. Is this the same group?? Anyone who has any info please share it
Shame to loose such brave skilled hands. Aren't these guys armed enough? Lobbing a grenade would have killed the rats in one go. Why did he have to brave with open chest into the hideout? Shame and pity that IA does not arm these men well when on such missions.Jagan Posted: 05 Oct 2006 06:38 pm Post subject:
Major Sudhir Kumar of Para SF - The gear speaks for itself.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/200003 ... /main6.htm
Ahem...since no live video exists of the firefight, how would you know no grenades were lobbed?Shame to loose such brave skilled hands. Aren't these guys armed enough? Lobbing a grenade would have killed the rats in one go. Why did he have to brave with open chest into the hideout? Shame and pity that IA does not arm these men well when on such missions.
Jagan Posted: 05 Oct 2006 06:38 pm Post subject:
Major Sudhir Kumar of Para SF - The gear speaks for itself.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/200003 ... /main6.htm
Saw this at the end of the article (dated March 2000). I hope things are not the same now...Even five months after Major Sudhir sacrificed his life for the nation, not a single person from the state government has payed his family a visit, let alone offer help. It is a matter of great regret that the martyr who is being revered by the entire nation, is a forgotten man in his home state.
Actually yes there is a force called Special Group which has been raised by the Army in J&K. These guys are usually on covert missions to gather intelligence, sabotage, etc. But its not a part of the Parachute Regiment as such. There are personell from other arms also in this unit. One neighbour of mine who served in the Special Group was from AAD. He says that members of the group cannot be indentifed easily by the locals or terrorists as they blend in with the population. They dress like locals and even grow beards. Below is a picture of a PARA officer from Special Group. Notice the insignia below the combat diver badge.Ajay K wrote:Folks, need some enlightening about theSpecial Group within the Para Commandos. Why are they called so? What are the operations they carry out? Any information regarding them is welcome.
Yes, thats probably correct but I could recall some deployment in the British Special Forces. He was also CO of 1 Para, served with 2 Para in Korea and later on commanded 50 Indep Para brigade. His last jump from an An-32 at Chennai, was in 1997, but he sustained an injury from it.Mandeep wrote:General Inder Gill did not serve with the SAS but with the Royal Engineers. He parachuted into Crete to carry out sabotage and was awarded the Military Cross for his achievements,leadership and bravery.
if there is a way to contact major sudhir's parents, please publish it, more than one jingo (including this one) would be ready to prove that their sacrifice means something (UP government can go to hell),Ajay K wrote:Jagan Posted: 05 Oct 2006 06:38 pm Post subject:
Major Sudhir Kumar of Para SF - The gear speaks for itself.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/200003 ... /main6.htm
good point,cbelwal wrote:Whats with calling this group special group - special force. Why doesnt the Army give its Special - Special Force some unique name like YumDoot or something ?
Seconded. If any B-R admin has Subedar Walia's contact address please email it. Thank you.brijlal wrote:
if there is a way to contact major sudhir's parents, please publish it, more than one jingo (including this one) would be ready to prove that their sacrifice means something (UP government can go to hell),
thank you
Surya wrote:must be one of the unsuccessful missions
The paras finally went in by sea
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... Delft.html
Jeez, So much rage, so much anger...brijlal wrote:[
i think its a treason to give such names, either they have no courage to make deadly names or know that these are not deadly machines,
wimps all wimps, what a disappointment, no deadly spirit to build killing machines,
Surya wrote:Raja
The failure was referring tothe picture of paras in the helos. The BRM article mentions that helo missions failed as the LTTE terrorists could hear the choppers and disappear in the population
Israel has an ALL women SF unit. And SOF-D also has a small all female unit .Two thumbs up! Is there any other special force in the world which has women in their combat arms? (14 Det doesn't count).
rkhanna wrote:Israel has an ALL women SF unit. And SOF-D also has a small all female unit .Two thumbs up! Is there any other special force in the world which has women in their combat arms? (14 Det doesn't count).
But before you jump the gun . these women "commandos" Are only SRG . Will only mainly do VIP Duties and do not form part of the SAG (the core of the HRT/CT capability of the NSG). So calling them Special Forces is a stretch. (similarly calling the SRG an SF unit would be a stretch).
SOF-D = Delta Force yes. I have a habit of Collecting NonFictional Literature on SF units and at least 3 Books i have read mention an All women unit in Delta.Well they are SRG coz they come from paramilitary orgs instead of army. They have been deployed as Sky Marshals it seems. It has never been clear to me as to what are the differences in actual training imparted to the SRG vs. the SAG in the light of their different roles.... can SAG work in SRG's domain etc.?
There was a rumour once that Yael Dayan(daughter of Moshe Dayan) was part of an all-female SF unit. Whats the name of the israeli all-female unit that you mentioned?
when you said SOF-D, do you mean SFOD-D aka Delta Force? There were rumours that Delta force had female operatives but havent found any authoritative source conforming that till now.
Any public sources which hint at existence of the all-female units you mentioned below?
Yeah I have read/heard about mentions to them but am not sure if they are undercover operatives who work with delta or full fledged delta operators. Delta had a reputation (some years old) of having a all-male and all-white composition so a little hard to visualize that!rkhanna wrote: SOF-D = Delta Force yes. I have a habit of Collecting NonFictional Literature on SF units and at least 3 Books i have read mention an All women unit in Delta.
yes used to have some archive pics of Gaddafi's rambhas....some of them were quite good looking!specialoperations.com carried an article sometime back on an All Women Israeli Unit. Cant remember its name (israeli names are hard to remmeber and they have so many damn units. ) Apparently Gaddafi is also protected by Women Body guards who also have a fierce reputation.
I have seen this comparison with NYPD/LAPD SWAT on all those juvenile military boards and how they are so good. While there is no doubt SWAT in those cities are very well equipped and do their jobs well but I havent seen them myself (or heard of them) handle any situation anywhere even close to what the likes of NSG/Delta handle. I am doubtful of their usefulness against say a well trained die hard jehadi as opposed to say a drug dealer or a armed whacko taking his family hostage. Ofcourse due to the unique composition of NSG makes it hard to compare their capabilities with the usual kind of CT/HRT unit like SAS/Delta....NSG seems to want to be the jack of all trades with both SAG and SRG components.While at the most basic level the SRG does have an HRT capability it is very limited. (probably less than LAPD SWAT for example).
SAG was/is deployed with Para(SF) in Kashmir but I believe the NSG in their 1st of 2 deployments for hunting Veerappan had SRG personnel in the team.They have been deployed with the Para-SF in Kashmir in the past and against Veerappan and the NE. The SRG just doesnt have that flexibility.
I agree absolutely. SPG is perfectly trained for its role and I find the SRG tasked with a role which can be performed as competently by the state police commandos for example (with money coming from thats state's exchequer instead of the centre's). Instead of having a separate SRG to do perimeter duty they should train central and state police commandos etc. to do that job. 7500 personnel is way too bloated for a specialized organization like NSG.And frankly in my opinion the SPG is far better suited AND trained for VIP protection duties. Over time the bulk of the SRG should be merged with the SPG so that the SAG can utilize its funds better.
Raja Bose wrote:
yes used to have some archive pics of Gaddafi's rambhas....some of them were quite good looking!I think during their 1st war israel did have an all woman unit...dont know about now though.
From the article:Jagan wrote:http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/200003 ... /main6.htmpmund wrote:Yes. Didnt even know such a unit existed. Is it a 'special' special forces unit. Had heard about a unit solely dedicated to hunting down wanted terrorists. They live off the ground or their backpacks, remain incommunicado, and chase down terrorists as far as they go. Didnt know whether it was fiction or fact. Is this the same group?? Anyone who has any info please share it
Why are we sending gifted assests like this fellow for COIN ops especially in the field? Couldn't he be put to better use?He was entrusted with important tasks, which included being sent on special secret missions to Pakistan. "It was not without reason that bhai was chosen for these difficult jobs. He had a flair for languages, he had mastered Persian and Sindhi. He was also an expert in the use of explosives and could easily decode the wireless messages of the militants," disclosed Arun, younger brother of Major Sudhir.
The 31-year-old officer was killed in the dense forests of Haphruda in Kupwara, but only after gunning down a few militants.
khan wrote: Why are we sending gifted assests like this fellow for COIN ops especially in the field? Couldn't he be put to better use?