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Meanwhile - some students at Stanford are pretending to be Jains so they can spend their meal plan money at Whole Foods instead of the school cafeteria.
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https://x.com/TheEpsteinFiles/status/20 ... 3589243028
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MORE BILL GATES PANDEMIC PLANS
EPSTEIN FILES EXPOSE GATES JPMORGAN PLAN TO TURN PANDEMICS INTO PROFIT MACHINES YEARS BEFORE COVID

Unsealed DOJ documents from the Epstein trove reportedly include 2011 emails laying out a sophisticated playbook for monetizing future pandemics through hidden financial structures.

Epstein personally urged JPMorgan's elite asset management boss to create offshore arms and donor advised funds tied to Bill Gates initiatives explicitly designed to rake in cash under the guise of charity.

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Mamdani ‘BOOED’ In New York City As Supporters Protest Against Mother Mira’s ‘Epstein Link’ | Watch
Newly released Justice Department records referencing filmmaker Mira Nair, the mother of New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani, have triggered protests outside the mayor’s official residence. The documents include a 2009 email linked to a social event hosted at Ghislaine Maxwell’s townhouse. Protesters accused Mamdani of dishonesty, shouting slogans outside Gracie Mansion. The records are part of a massive release under the Epstein Files Transparency Act, signed into law in 2025, as political fallout from the disclosures continues to spread. Watch
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Iran “Doesn’t Want Midnight Hammer Again”: Trump On Expected Nuke Talks In Oman
Iran is pushing to move U.S. talks from Turkey to Oman and limit them to nuclear issues, complicating diplomacy as tensions rise. The standoff comes amid military buildups and a recent incident in which the U.S. shot down an Iranian drone near an aircraft carrier.
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and it just gets beyond any human sensibilities..

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Big News: SCOTUS allows upholding the Prop 50 redistricting to remain in place. (No dissent)
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https://sundayguardianlive.com/world/i- ... nt-168535/
‘I Regret, I Apologize’: Bill Gates Responds After Epstein Files Release Revives Scrutiny Over Past Ties With Jeffrey Epstein
Neerja Mishra, February 5, 2026

Bill Gates has once again found himself under intense public scrutiny after newly released US Justice Department documents revived questions about his past association with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. While the files do not accuse Gates of any crime, they include references and allegations that have renewed debate around judgment, accountability and transparency among powerful public figures.
Bill Gates has strongly denied the claims, expressed deep regret over his interactions with Epstein, and apologised publicly. The disclosures have also reopened conversations about how this chapter affected his personal life, including his marriage to Melinda French Gates.
What Did Bill Gates Say About Jeffrey Epstein?
Bill Gates addressed the controversy directly in an interview with Australia’s 9News, calling his time with Epstein a serious mistake. “Every minute I spent with him, I regret, and I apologize,”
Bill Gates said he met Epstein in 2011 and had several dinners with him over the following three years. He maintained that his interactions were limited and driven by philanthropic goals, particularly around global health funding.
“The focus was always, he knew a lot of very rich people, and he was saying he could get them to give money to global health. In retrospect, that was a dead end,” Bill Gates also made it clear that he never visited Epstein’s private Caribbean island and denied any inappropriate relationships.
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Bill Gates Wife Melinda Gates Reacts to Epstein Files Release
Melinda French Gates responded to the document dump in an interview with US National Public Radio, describing the emotional toll the revelations have had on her. “For me, it’s personally hard whenever those details come up,”
She said the resurfacing of Epstein-related information brought back painful memories from the final years of her marriage.
“Whatever questions remain there of what — I can’t even begin to know all of it — those questions are for those people and for even my ex-husband. They need to answer to those things, not me.”
Did It Affected Bill Gates & Melinda Gates Marriage?
While neither Bill Gates nor Melinda Gates has publicly linked Epstein directly to the breakdown of their marriage, Melinda has previously acknowledged that Bill Gates’ association with Jeffrey Epstein caused deep discomfort and strain.
Her recent comments suggest that the issue left lasting emotional scars, even after their 2021 divorce. The renewed media focus has again placed their former relationship under a microscope.
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Apparently the Orange Man has posted photos of Michelle and Barack Obama superimposed on gorilla / chimpanzee bodies.
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The unfathomable Minnesota transcript that must be read, as it tells the reality of America today
https://www.lawdork.com/p/the-minnesota ... transcript
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To understand the US -- note the toadies that Trump has nominated as ambassadors.

Note that the Polish speaker's comments were in response to a campaign to get governments in Europe to nominate Trump for the 2026 Nobel Peace Prize - he did not become critical of Trump's claim to the Nobel Prize out of nowhere.

US ambassador cuts ties with Polish parliament speaker
The diplomatic row comes after Sejm speaker Czarzasty said Donald Trump didn't "deserve" the Nobel Peace Prize.
https://www.dw.com/en/us-ambassador-ros ... a-75832922
The United States' ambassador to Poland, Tom Rose, said he was cutting all contact with Wlodzimierz Czarzasty, the speaker of the country's lower house of parliament, known as the Sejm.

Rose accused Czarzasty of making "outrageous and unprovoked insults directed against [US President Donald Trump]."
What were these insults?
Via Politico:
Czarzasty on Monday said Trump “does not deserve” the prize — something the U.S. president openly covets. He said Trump had disrespected Poland as an ally by saying in December that America’s NATO allies had not offered much support to the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan.
Trump has also been “destabilizing” international organizations such as the U.N. and the World Health Organization, Czarzasty added.
... in a later response to Polish online criticism, Rose undermined the close military ties with Poland, writing on his private X account: “Should we take all our soldiers and equipment with us?”
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Deepak Chopra wrote many books about Jesus and openly claimed he is Christian by religion. He converted but kept is name.

It is funny some conservative Christian groups are using Deepak to bash Hinduism

Meanwhile 99% of people in Epstein Files are of Christan faith.
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He is Christian but seeks god everywhere.

This is uber gibberish even by Chopra’s low status.

FYI, I think there is an old school Brahmin in the apple machine. It auto corrected chopra to choora.
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The overnight post from the President of the United States is nothing but vile, racist filth. He should be ashamed of himself.

Taking it down is not enough. The White House must apologize for this beyond disgusting behavior.


Trump removes racist video depicting the Obamas as apes
The White House initially defended Trump's post, saying it was "from an internet meme video." But after backlash — including from Republicans — it was removed.
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sanjaykumar wrote: 07 Feb 2026 00:28 He is Christian but seeks god everywhere.
Chopra is quoting someone's question on his #AskDeepak hashtag.
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I see.

I lost interest in him a long time ago. He was fulminating against Indians feeding cows while the poor went hungry. And gave it as a reason for taking his act to America.

But he never explained how his living hedonistically helps the poor in north America.

As a biologist I have seen swollen abdomens in America and Africa only the former is due to overfed malnutrition and the latter is underfed malnutrition.

I have more sympathy for both groups than he is recorded to ever have displayed. But perhaps he is into the prosperity gospel thing.
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On a lighter note, check out this parody video of Deepak Chopra. This comedian does a hilarious run on the word salad techno-babble BS of DC. Enjoy. :rotfl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeUhmP2wL6Q
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A_Gupta wrote: 06 Feb 2026 18:45 The unfathomable Minnesota transcript that must be read, as it tells the reality of America today
https://www.lawdork.com/p/the-minnesota ... transcript
A_Guptaji,

US is long term screwed by this administration. No civil administration is going to voluntarily let go of the powers that it has got a taste of however illegally they may have acquired them. What it means is that even when Dems come into power you will see same degree of resistance or unwillingness to obey judicial diktats as they now know they can get away with it. Sure, the most egregious behaviour will be curbed but the needle has definitely moved a lot in the other direction for a while.

The only way out for US is if they get a strong no nonsense Dem that will strictly obey the law and force others to get back in line. Unfortunately such a creature does not exist yet.
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Well done video on Chopra.

Who’s the quantum chick?
I can also enhance her spirituality.


Chopra needs to explain how the resources spent on dogs in his adopted country. India can learn public policy and much on religiosity from him.

Pet spending -$160 billion. Pakistan national budget $60 billion.
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Tanaji wrote: 07 Feb 2026 17:53
The only way out for US is if they get a strong no nonsense Dem that will strictly obey the law and force others to get back in line. Unfortunately such a creature does not exist yet.
An American T.N. Seshan.
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Andrew Egger in The Bulwark:
This is the service Trump explicitly offers to conservative Christians: There’s dirty work that needs doing. Let me be the one to do it for you. And it isn’t just a political pitch. Trump sincerely seems to believe he has reached a moral accommodation with God for his unique services rendered. “I’m not a perfect candidate, but I did a hell of a lot of good for perfect people.”

….Trump’s political project is seen by the MAGA faithful as utterly righteous, the work of God on earth against the forces of Satan. But he has broad license to transgress all moral boundaries as he does that work. When he does so, it doesn’t cause MAGA Christians to reevaluate whether he’s actually on the side of the angels. Instead, it makes them perversely grateful that he’s doing it so their hands can be clean.
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A_Gupta wrote: 08 Feb 2026 01:21 Andrew Egger in The Bulwark:
This is the service Trump explicitly offers to conservative Christians: There’s dirty work that needs doing. Let me be the one to do it for you. And it isn’t just a political pitch. Trump sincerely seems to believe he has reached a moral accommodation with God for his unique services rendered. “I’m not a perfect candidate, but I did a hell of a lot of good for perfect people.”

….Trump’s political project is seen by the MAGA faithful as utterly righteous, the work of God on earth against the forces of Satan. But he has broad license to transgress all moral boundaries as he does that work. When he does so, it doesn’t cause MAGA Christians to reevaluate whether he’s actually on the side of the angels. Instead, it makes them perversely grateful that he’s doing it so their hands can be clean.

Devil quoting the scriptures !! ..the time we live in!
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Tanaji wrote: 07 Feb 2026 17:53
The only way out for US is if they get a strong no nonsense Dem that will strictly obey the law and force others to get back in line. Unfortunately such a creature does not exist yet.
I do not know how this is even possible. For a democrat to get elected, they need to be squeaky clean, say all the right things, should not alienate anyone, follow the rule of law to the T, be woke and also not woke, and on and on and on... A candidate not meeting any one of those qualifiers will make their base crumble immediately and we get republicans.

If you look at presidencies in the modern era, Republican presidents have presided over administrations with far more criminal indictments and convictions than Democratic presidents. Trump took the record, but other GOP presidents have had similarly high criminal indictment rates, while Democratic presidents have had uniformly low or near zero criminal indictments. This is not an opinion, this is a matter of public record.

Biden's admin has zero criminal indictments and convictions. Hunter biden was convicted but he was never part of biden admin.
During trumps first term, 82 were criminally indicted and 58 were criminally convicted
Obamas 8 year term netted zero criminal indictments and zero convicted
Bush admins record is 16 criminal indictments and 16 convicted
Clintons 8 years has 2 indictments and 1 convicted
Bush Sr has 1 and 1
Reagan has 33 indicted and 27 convicted.

Same with politicians convicted of Pedophilia and Sexual assault. Countrywide, republican politicians are charged and convicted at over twice the rate of democrats, yet when trump came out saying "i'll save the women from trans" everyone gets behind this guy. It's beyond comical.

In spite of this, democrats as a brand are badly damaged because people punish them more for not raising to the occasion. Combine this with so many special interests democrats represent that it's a herculean task to get them all on the same page. There are many other challenges too but this is an overarching fundamental problem that's in-built in the American politics.
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A_Gupta wrote: 08 Feb 2026 01:07
Tanaji wrote: 07 Feb 2026 17:53
The only way out for US is if they get a strong no nonsense Dem that will strictly obey the law and force others to get back in line. Unfortunately such a creature does not exist yet.
An American T.N. Seshan.


A_Gupta ji,

sheshan was an egomaniac.

his unprincipled activities, both pre and post retirement, belied his congi controlled media hyped public persona which was a carefully constructed facade that suited his masters
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Tanaji wrote: 07 Feb 2026 17:53 US is long term screwed by this administration.
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The only way out for US is if they get a strong no nonsense Dem that will strictly obey the law and force others to get back in line. Unfortunately such a creature does not exist yet.
The "administration" doesn't drop outta the sky, it comes from within the society and polity, and directly reflects their condition. The US has major and fundamental challenges in remaining cohesive in both areas. Both the society and polity are significantly in the grip of abrahamic cretinism (and its mirror image - leftism/liberalism), both of which stunt the advance of mankind. There is no vision beyond binary choices. Everything looked good when resources were plenty and WW2 was won. But abrahamic cretinism does not know how to adjust constructively to its waning global influence. "Leftism/liberalism" does have some acknowledgment of a changing world but is also fractured between essentially commie nutjobs and "centrists" (whatever that means).
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KL Dubey wrote: 08 Feb 2026 07:14 The "administration" doesn't drop outta the sky,
The Administration can turn the direction of the society and create a politics that is suitable for them. This has happened in the U.S. It's a cycle that serves itself until it's broken by some capable leader along with the people who are not happy with the direction their nation is going.
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The difficulty is that you cannot legislate good behavior and the norms of good behavior are set by precedent and by shame. There has been bad behavior before, but the bad actors felt compelled to cover up, to pay lip service to values, etc. now both shame and tradition no longer exist.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/feel ... 260208.htm
'Feels like Pakistan': US Congressman's 'Islamisation' remark sparks row
Yoshita Singh, February 08, 2026

An American lawmaker has voiced concern over the "Islamisation" of areas in certain constituencies in the US state of Texas, saying visiting local malls there "feels like you're in Pakistan, not Dallas."
"I hear from constituents all the time who are deeply and desperately concerned about the Islamisation of the Dallas area." Congressman Brandon Gill said during an interview with Real America's Voice on Friday.
'Mass Islamic migration is killing the America'
The Republican lawmaker said his constituents are hearing about "mosques that are popping up near land that they or their family have owned for generations."
"We have entire communities who are being transformed. And you hear about constituents talking about going to their local malls, and you look around, and it feels like you're in Pakistan, not Dallas, Texas. That's a problem," he added.
"Mass Islamic migration is killing the America we know and love," he said in a social media post.
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sanjaykumar wrote: 07 Feb 2026 00:28 He is Christian but seeks god everywhere.

This is uber gibberish even by Chopra’s low status.

FYI, I think there is an old school Brahmin in the apple machine. It auto corrected chopra to choora.
Oh God what shameless characters we have… and now he feels empty … physician heal thyself! Except he is no physician but far worse .. explains how we ended up with Gangadins and Pakistanis
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People are surprised not only within India but also outside the country at how talks of a trade deal between India and the United States suddenly gained momentum. The key question being asked is: what changed behind the scenes that caused such a sharp shift in the attitude of Donald Trump? It is important to understand that Trump—or anyone like him—does not change position overnight because of a single factor. The announcement regarding tariff reductions and a proposed trade deal is the outcome of a long and gradual sequence of developments.

First, it must be clearly stated that a trade deal has not yet been finalized. What has happened so far is only a principled agreement. President Trump has announced a reduction in reciprocal and penal tariffs, particularly those imposed on India. However, before any deal is implemented, both sides must finalize all terms, issue a joint statement, and formally sign the agreement. Only after that will the deal come into force. That said, Trump’s sudden announcement has made one thing clear: the deal is now very likely to happen.

The question remains—what actually influenced this shift? The answer is that no single event was decisive. The change occurred step by step.

The first major shock for President Trump came during the SCO summit, when Narendra Modi, Vladimir Putin, and Xi Jinping were seen standing together, shaking hands, and raising their arms. That image was seen across the world. For Trump, the visual symbolism of India, Russia, and China appearing aligned was deeply unsettling. Until then, the US had already imposed a 50% tariff on Indian goods, believing that India would eventually bend under pressure, just as many other countries had.

India’s message through that image was simple and deliberate: India has options. Despite repeated warnings from American experts that India would not capitulate, Trump believed India would eventually submit. Even Putin publicly stated that Modi could not be forced to bend. Yet Trump assumed he could make it happen.
After the SCO image circulated globally, anxiety within Washington increased. Tensions appeared set to rise further. At that stage, Prime Minister Modi sent National Security Advisor Ajit Doval to Washington to engage with Marco Rubio. Three clear messages were conveyed on India’s behalf.

The first message was unequivocal: India would not sign any agreement under pressure. This meeting took place in early September, after the 50% tariff had already been imposed in August. The second message was conciliatory but firm—India was willing to move past recent bitterness and resume trade discussions. The third message, however, was the most powerful: India was prepared to wait for Trump’s term to end if necessary.

For Trump and the US administration, this was a profound shock. The realization that India would not buckle, even under steep tariffs, fundamentally altered calculations in Washington. More importantly, despite the tariffs, India’s economy did not collapse. There was no panic or economic meltdown. India began exploring alternative markets and trade partners. While certain labor-intensive sectors—such as ready-made garments, gems and jewelry, and leather—did suffer, India chose to protect its self-respect rather than surrender.

India demonstrated that while it may not be as powerful as the United States, it is not weak and would not kneel before economic pressure. That message was clearly received.

After this, the tone began to change. On September 17, Prime Minister Modi’s birthday, Trump called him personally to convey greetings. While birthday calls between leaders are routine, what followed was significant. Between September and December, Modi and Trump spoke four times by phone. Each time, India reiterated its red lines: agriculture, dairy, and fisheries would not be opened to American products.

During this period, the rhetoric from Washington also began to soften, though Trump’s trade advisors—particularly US Trade Representative Jamieson Greer—continued to display rigidity. Relations worsened further when Trump repeatedly claimed that he had stopped a war between India and Pakistan. India formally rejected this claim at every level—from the Ministry of External Affairs to the Prime Minister himself—stating that Pakistan had sought de-escalation after India achieved its military objectives.

This public contradiction did not sit well with Trump, nor did Trump’s statements appeal to Modi. Communication slowed. There was also concern in New Delhi that any conversation with Trump could be misrepresented publicly.

A crucial moment came after the G7 summit, when Trump invited Modi to Washington while also inviting Pakistan’s Army Chief Asim Munir. India declined the invitation. The Indian government promptly released the official call transcript, preventing any narrative manipulation.

Soon after, the newly appointed US ambassador to India, Sergeio Gor, made a carefully worded statement acknowledging that while friends may have differences, strong partners resolve them. This marked a clear shift in the US stance. It became evident that Washington had accepted India’s refusal to cross its red lines.

Subsequently, India was invited to participate in the US-led “Pax Silica” initiative on rare-earth mineral supply chains—while Pakistan was notably excluded. A long meeting between External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar and Ambassador Gor followed, after which Gor hinted publicly that “something big” was coming.

Another major setback for Trump was India’s Free Trade Agreement with the European Union. Trump openly admitted that he expected Europe to raise tariffs against India after the US imposed a 50% tariff—but the opposite happened. The EU signed an FTA with India, adding to India’s growing list of trade partners including the UK and New Zealand.

At the same time, despite pressure from the US, American multinationals continued investing in India. Elon Musk proceeded with manufacturing plans. Microsoft and Google jointly announced a $52 billion investment. Goldman Sachs opened its largest overseas office in Bengaluru. These developments weakened Trump domestically, as corporate America opposed worsening relations with India.

Another unspoken factor loomed in the background: the pending US Supreme Court ruling on whether the President even has the constitutional authority to impose such sweeping tariffs without Congressional approval. An adverse ruling would have forced Trump to roll back all tariffs anyway.

Faced with economic pressure, diplomatic isolation, legal uncertainty, and India’s growing global leverage, Trump chose to cut his losses. He personally called Modi and announced the trade-deal intent on Truth Social.

Since then, the US has made several claims—that India will stop buying Russian oil, that it will import $500 billion worth of US goods, and that American agricultural products will enter Indian markets. India has made no such commitments publicly. India continues to buy oil from over 40 countries, choosing suppliers based on price and national interest, not political pressure.

India’s silence is deliberate. It reflects confidence and strategic patience. Trump, meanwhile, must address his domestic audience by projecting victory.

The broader message is unmistakable: the global balance is shifting. Trump now understands that India cannot be coerced or sidelined. Cooperation is more beneficial than confrontation. The US needs India—to counter China, to sustain its global leadership, and to preserve the existing world order—just as India needs US investment and technology.

That is why this trade deal is taking shape. That is why tariffs are being reduced. Not because India yielded, but because India stood firm.

Trusting Trump blindly would be a mistake—just as trusting China would be. But the outcome so far demonstrates that India’s patience, self-confidence, and strategic clarity forced the world’s most powerful country to recalibrate.
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India imported $40 billion goods from the US in 2024. To do $500 billion in five years it would have to grow 30% per year. Not likely to happen.
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A_Gupta wrote: 09 Feb 2026 14:20 India imported $40 billion goods from the US in 2024. To do $500 billion in five years it would have to grow 30% per year. Not likely to happen.

A_Gupta ji

All these are unilateral trial balloons designed to cause chaos and confusion in India. The amrikis have not yet finished playing with India, but foolishly they have broken what took others about 25 - 30 years of painstaking efforts to build.

These are serious and vengeful efforts to damage the Modi govt

That lost trust may never return, even as India's rise makes her more wary, and rightly so

We have yet to learn how to build narratives or even counter them

This time, the amrikis are actively targeting Modi ji's vote banks, just like papooze is doing what he has been ordered to do






Farmers’ groups oppose India–US trade deal, back Feb 12 strike

Samyukt Kisan Morcha (SKM), AIKS and other farmer bodies term the proposed interim India–US trade deal a “surrender” of Indian agriculture to US multinationals

SKM says protests will be held nationwide, including in villages

Farmers’ leaders warn the deal could open Indian markets to US farm and food products such as soybean oil, sorghum and animal feed, potentially impacting agriculture and dairy sectors

SKM alleges a contradiction between government assurances and the India–US joint statement on addressing non-tariff barriers for US agri products. Demands debate in Parliament
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/far ... 76374.html



https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... -10520116/

Several farmer organisations, including the Samyukt Kisan Morcha (SKM), its non-political breakaway faction and All India Kisan Sabha, Saturday announced nationwide protests against the India-US trade deal. The SKM also extended its support to the February 12 general strike.

In a statement, the SKM alleged that the proposed interim trade agreement framework between India and the United States amounted to a “total surrender” of Indian agriculture and farmers to American multinational corporations. It also demanded the immediate resignation of Union Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal, accusing him of misleading the country on the scope of trade negotiations.

“The framework is an abject rejection of the claim of the Commerce Minister that the agriculture and dairy sectors are out of the Free Trade Agreements (FTA) and the Government of India will not make any compromise on the interests of agriculture. The commerce minister is consciously propagating falsehood…SKM considers the role of the commerce minister as a traitor and demands his immediate resignation. The SKM also demands that the prime minister desist from signing the India-US FTA or face massive pan-India united mass struggles,” read the SKM statement.

The SKM (Non-Political) too said in a statement that it would soon hold a meeting and announce large-scale protests against the trade agreement. According to the statement, farmer leader Jagjit Singh Dallewal said that while Goyal is tweeting that agriculture and the dairy sector will be protected, the India-US joint statement says that India has agreed to discuss and resolve non-tariff barriers imposed on US agricultural and food products.

Dallewal said these two positions are contradictory, and the joint statement makes it clear that under US pressure, the Indian government has agreed to open Indian markets to American agricultural products, which will cause severe losses to Indian farmers.
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chetak wrote: 09 Feb 2026 14:37
A_Gupta wrote: 09 Feb 2026 14:20 India imported $40 billion goods from the US in 2024. To do $500 billion in five years it would have to grow 30% per year. Not likely to happen.

A_Gupta ji

All these are unilateral trial balloons designed to cause chaos and confusion in India. The amrikis have not yet finished playing with India, but foolishly they have broken what took others about 25 - 30 years of painstaking efforts to build.

These are serious and vengeful efforts to damage the Modi govt

That lost trust may never return, even as India's rise makes her more wary, and rightly so

We have yet to learn how to build narratives or even counter them
I still question what substantial cooperation did we see in the last 25-30 years that demonstrates both countries trust each other? Other than some ceremonial cool-aid like the quad, reluctant military imports, and vague sounding neutrality, there is nothing real to show if we discount the military exercises. There is sudden media frenzy on this so called Trade statement. IMO Trump did a good thing by throwing away all the illusion of friendship and now we know we are dealing with a rival power whose ambition does not include a strong India.
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williams wrote: 09 Feb 2026 15:11
chetak wrote: 09 Feb 2026 14:37


A_Gupta ji

All these are unilateral trial balloons designed to cause chaos and confusion in India. The amrikis have not yet finished playing with India, but foolishly they have broken what took others about 25 - 30 years of painstaking efforts to build.

These are serious and vengeful efforts to damage the Modi govt

That lost trust may never return, even as India's rise makes her more wary, and rightly so

We have yet to learn how to build narratives or even counter them
I still question what substantial cooperation did we see in the last 25-30 years that demonstrates both countries trust each other? Other than some ceremonial cool-aid like the quad, reluctant military imports, and vague sounding neutrality, there is nothing real to show if we discount the military exercises. There is sudden media frenzy on this so called Trade statement. IMO Trump did a good thing by throwing away all the illusion of friendship and now we know we are dealing with a rival power whose ambition does not include a strong India.


williams ji,

To have ambition is good but we should also know our aukat.

Whatever gave you the idea that India and amrika are rivals......

That the amrikis are out to slow/sabotage India's rise is a view that anyone will endorse because that is lived reality for us

The trust was in the people to people relations, their industry tolerated a bit more than other cultures us because we contributed to their economy and did not make trouble for them. Now, in these days of hardship, jealousy has spiked, especially among the educated classes, and now they blame Indians for being successful because they say that Indians have stolen their jobs. Be that as it may, they just need some reason, any reason to justify their own failures.

The unkindest cut of all is that their woke academia and through this woke and commie contaminated academia, they have deliberately and forcefully brought in a non existent "caste factor" that has poisoned the well for Indians by involving the industry as well. How far the wokes are willing to take this hatred is yet to be seen

The WH, the State dept, their think tankis, partisan press, and many other govt organizations have never ever trusted India. It shows in their continued preference to partner with the wretched and loser pakis since 1947 onwards, even though they have been cheated and betrayed by the pakis time and again. The two are kindred spirits and more alike than the amrikis would care to admit. Cheating, lying, and institutional betrayal comes easy to both. They are both leeches trying to prey off the Indian state, to influence policy, and most importantly, to weaken the Indian state via conversions, subversions and social manipulations, and both have assiduously cultivated traitorous cohorts and sleeper cells in India

It is not by mere happenstance that India has shafted the pakis (and the beedis), reducing them both to kangals

but rivals.... perish the thought...... :) we are completely outmatched in almost every field, be it technology, economy, or military whatever, and they are THE deep state that keeps us awake at night.

This ground reality will continue for some time to come but some day, in the not too distant future, who knows......... :)
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They are protesting the labor laws, the SHANTI act, the seeds act, the MNREGA replacement, and now the trade deal, making it clear that they are blindly anti-government and not pro- some alternate positive agenda. Presumably the Americans want this trade deal to go through, but perhaps also see if they can also weaken the Modi government? I can see China wanting to sabotage the deal, it raises the possibility of moving production out of China, it weakens Pakistan and Bangladesh. Then, any and all chaos in India is beneficial to these folks.

I barely remember the July 2025 bandh called by the same folks. Did it have any tangible political effect? Maybe this one too will be a dud. OTOH, if there is real discontent in the countryside, best it show up now while there are a few years to address it.
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To have ambition is good but we should also know our aukat.

Whatever gave you the idea that India and amrika are rivals......
Rivalry does not mean we are equals in terms of comprehensive national power. But the fact remains, they are apprehensive of India's strides in many fields and are treating us as rivals whether we like it or not. A simple thing like supply of aircraft engine has become a point of contention. Then where is the question of trust. People to people contact is a misnomer. They want to fill in their labor shortages and we are filling it in (Thanks to the commie congi policies of building a merit-less society). In the side we have become a market for their goods. That is the way they see it. It is no different when our people went to Burma and Srilanka to work during the days of the Raj and are chased out when things are not comfortable to their people. Trump actually cleared the delusion we had about this relationship.
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Now Ghislaine Maxwell says she will provide testimony to clear the OM of any wrong doing if he grants her clemency. Why, her attorney says, both Trump and Clinton are free of any wrong doing vis a vis Epstein.
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We can use phrases like rivalry, frenemy and so on. But the basic fact is tied to economic clout. When India was ruling the roost as #1 economic power in the world according to angus madison, then the Eurotards became jealous and wanted a trade route to India. The colonial hangover is about looting the wealth of the world. They found America and of course colonialized it promptly. These actors of Europe have morphed into the US Deep State in its current avatar and are spread throughout the world. As you can deduce, trade is an important component since resources are spread across the world. The issue is about who holds the control. Right now, the control is spread over BRICS, US and Euros with the latter two having less market share than the BRICS. This is the main bugaboo for the US Deep State actors. They will try all kinds of tricks to regain control but it surely has slipped away from their hands. It is becoming hard. There is going to be repurcussions since the collective West was used to dictating terms and now are facing bleak prospects. Whatever they have they are trying to leverage it as much as possible. India is in good position, since it has young population reasonably intelligent and is rising. The US has no choice but to play along since the other alternative would be chaos in its own economy.
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