West Asia Crisis — Discussion, Developments, and Bharat’s Strategy

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 08 Apr 2026 11:08

ricky_v wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026 08:45 Taking snide comments from the sidelines against someone who is actually doing some work is one of the most pathetic traits of humans. Now rage frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of Pakistan is a mood that I vibe to well, but sj erred in his innate need to give a sounbite to the media people. I sometimes think that the memes are getting to him which mars his good work undertaken silently and in the shadows.

Pakistan put itself out there, regardless of the outcome, they undertook an act; I think there is an Indian text that argues for the same but its name escapes me, oh well, I will wait for its public popularity when euro historians explain it in today's English.

This is all of course not considering the fact that in 2046, "ultra-nationalists" on $hitter (formerly X) will uncover secret unredacted documents that will show that the ceasefire was actually accomplished by India.

When pakis are involved, it is either some skullduggery or they are doing GUBO to some one

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 08 Apr 2026 11:12

If this ceasefire holds and turns to permanent peace, it means Iran has won

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 08 Apr 2026 12:04

More than iran victory

u s a has lost miserably, lost billion $ + worth of aircrafts

not to mention bases... radars the mighty thaad lies pathetically in heaps

Its mighty aircraft carriers had to limp away after being sodomized by cheap pathetic drones

That bitch christine fair was calling 'liar' during Op Sindoor; now she is keeping studiously silent... she is blocking anyone jeering..

because unkil got its ass kicked; lost french gold ...

Even poodles uk & germany backed out defiantly...

TACO Trumpp is a reality

iran was submitting to more much more rigorous conditions before start of the war

Now Trumpp greased up and bent over with help of masters of gubo game: porkis
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How mega carriers of usa used to dominate, and now:

https://x.com/daeroplate_v2/status/2041 ... 12912?s=20

has to be the first war the US got into where the carriers are not left, right, center on MSM, projecting force.

a few sporadic raids with one F18 dinged over chah bahar seems to be the net contrib due to need to put some safe distance

the tripoli was also allegedly chased off

in 1991 desert storm there was a mass of USN ships inside the gulf , incl the smaller midway and ranger 60k ton carriers

in eyeraqi freedom 2003, there were 3 inside the persian gulf, including one CVN

I would say this is the biggest change to carrier employment in last decade, brought on by maturity in rivals ISR nets , spy trawlers shadowing TFs to relay approx boxes, fast solid fuel missiles and ASBM tech

fanboys used to joke about the DF-21 asbm and point out holes in its targetting chain...not so now I guess when PRC systems are 15 yrs more mature

from roaming inside the gulf like a big boss, to abandoning the 5th fleet bahrain base and its LCS and minesweepers scurrying off to singapore (spotted near penang) is a steep fall in standoff power

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https://x.com/TheNavroopSingh/status/20 ... 49574?s=20

People overestimated America & Israel, it is no more that America of 1970s & 80s or even 90s which was once a great Industrial power. Its a country saddled with debt of 40 trillion $, deficits of 6%, de-industrialised & fast losing its supremacy with the world pivoting towards alternate supply chains.

Trump even lost the tariff game, sanctions regime and now even negotiate Hormuz with Iran & Oman involving Russia & China by effect. The Israeli Iron Done was exhausted, it was America & American congress that funds Israel’s defence.

And the biggest losers the GCC feel sad for them they will now have to live with a reality in the region. The shockwaves of this conflict wont stop in Gulf capital but even reverberate in European capitals soon over the future of NATO with reliability of America in question !

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 08 Apr 2026 12:27

ShauryaT wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026 07:01

Which DJT post accepts the 10 points? Could not find it.

https://x.com/TheNavroopSingh/status/20 ... 31366?s=20

Navroop Singh
@TheNavroopSingh

The 10 Point plan Trump agreed to for a ceasefire but got angry that CNN leaked it ! Trump had to fold irrespective for a two weeks ceasefire !

The Americans used the Pakistanis to orchestrate facade of a ceasefire and extract themselves out from a situation on the brink whose consequences would have been disastrous for the world economy.

The Iranians showed the intent of going ahead and retaliating. The draft tweet by Pakistani PM shows he is merely a puppet and a foreign power dictated to him what to tweet.

Where its this 10 point plan or something else that would be negotiated in due course. In my analysis the effect of this conflict will continue to reverberate and impact the world order for a long time to come.

A) Trump declared a ceasefire

Iran still controls of Strait Of Hormuz

C) Israel has been embarrassed into accepting this ceasefire by America as the regime change operation in Tehran has failed for now.

D) Trump has TACOed

E) This is America’s Suez Moment

F) Iran’s asymmetrical warfare paid rich dividends in battle field despite overwhelming American-Israeli superiority

G) Iranian targeting of American bases in GULF destroying defence equipment worth billions and Controlling Strait of Hormuz was a brilliant strategy

H) Russia & China ably supported Iran strategically as well as militarily by providing intelligence for targets, satellite, precision guiding of missiles, drones etc.

I) European Allies in NATO are all set for a messy divorce with USA

J) World specially Gulf countries will have to relook at American security architecture in the region. GCC will have to rethink on Sovereign Wealth fund investments in USA & there will be regional realignments.

K) UAE & KSA could continue with Israel and America while Iran’s emergence as a regional power backed by Russia & China is a reality that cannot be wished away by the Gulf states.

L) GCC should engage Russia & China to get an understanding with Iran & Oman to get their shipments going via Strait of Hormuz during ceasefire agreement.

M) Iran will agree to dilute enriched Uranium as proposed in terms agreed at Geneva on 26th February 2026

N) Nuclear deal with some amendments likely to happen while Iran will retain its military arsenal.

O) An agreement between Iran, Oman and world powers will be agreed on Strait of Hormuz retaining partial suzerainty of Iran over the straits giving them this money for reconstruction.

P) In any situation Iran will not give back control of Hormuz, it may share it with Oman or a consortium of nations with recognition of its rights.

Q) Controlling Strait of Hormuz is the biggest leverage Iran holds and America & Israel turned Iran into a regional power controlling nearly 20% of the world’s oil and shipping route.

R) A strategic defeat for America & Israel despite a Pyrrhic military victory.

S) Petro Yuan trade will continue as America does not have the cards on Rare Earths it needs them even for its defence programmes.

T) Russia & China are commodity & manufacturing power houses a fact that cannot be denied.

U) The world is turning Multi-Polar as America’s unipolar moment is over

V) Supply chain bifurcations & restructuring will Continue from Petro Yuan to CIPS to Rare Earths to Semiconductors to AI to Data Centre’s to Pharma APIs

W) Countries will diversify and hedge against an unreliable America whose reputation has taken a beating since Trump came to power in 2025.

X) The American sanctions regime against Russia & Iran totally crumbled in face of this conflict.

Y) #PaxPersica in the Persian Gulf is a reality in some form or the other

Z) India will have to recalibrate its strategy, will need to expand its energy, trade ties with Russia & Iran; cannot rely on mercurial America; balance the equations out between Gulf countries specially UAE, Israel and Iran.

In the end, Washington Blinked, Tel Aviv was forced to accept it, Tehran played well ....

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 08 Apr 2026 12:33

There is a phrase that I have stolen, Beirutisation, ie the ability to freely enter a nation and bomb whatever you wish with virtually no consequences. The Israelis have been doing this in Lebanon since the 1970's and thus Beirut-isation. For those who remember, there was so much screaming and shouting over the raid in Tunis to kill members of the PLO, so much so that even the Americans complained.

That era is over.

The Beirutisation of Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, Iran and Qatar are now De jure.

There are those who talk of American aircraft losses, let's put this in context. America will produce 165 F35s this year. Historically, they have manufactured almost 8,000 F16, F15s and F18s.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 08 Apr 2026 12:43

ricky_v wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026 08:45 Taking snide comments from the sidelines against someone who is actually doing some work is one of the most pathetic traits of humans. Now rage frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of Pakistan is a mood that I vibe to well..

https://x.com/Starboy2079/status/204170 ... 14761?s=20

This is hilarious
Clown Pakistan screwed the US

US wanted a ceasefire but didn’t want to look like it was losing, so a plan was prepared.
The plan was that Pakistan would beg the USA to stop the war.
The US would then accept Pakistan’s request and agree to a ceasefire.
A draft message was prepared in the White House and sent to Pakistan’s PM Shahbaz Sharif to post.
But Shahbaz Sharif made a huge mistake. He forgot to remove the "draft message for Pakistan PM" header.
He just copy-pasted it as it was and completely spoiled the entire US-Pakistan backdoor plan.
Now Donald Trump is searching for Shahbaz Sharif with a bamboo stick in his hand

https://www.vedantu.com/stories/the-kin ... ish-monkey

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 08 Apr 2026 12:46

Lisa wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026 12:33

There are those who talk of American aircraft losses, let's put this in context. America will produce 165 F35s this year. Historically, they have manufactured almost 8,000 F16, F15s and F18s.

F35 was supposed to be infallible...

Taken down by iran whose air defense had been taken down day one...

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 08 Apr 2026 12:53

Manish_Sharma wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026 12:46 ...
F35 was supposed to be infallible...
....

Every major arms producing country hypes up its products and markets them as invincible

Except us

We pull down our products - under powered, 3 legged cheetah, too heavy....

And the really funny part - a good percentage of our products have imported or licence made foreign components in them.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 08 Apr 2026 13:14

Manish_Sharma wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026 12:46
Lisa wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026 12:33

There are those who talk of American aircraft losses, let's put this in context. America will produce 165 F35s this year. Historically, they have manufactured almost 8,000 F16, F15s and F18s.
F35 was supposed to be infallible...

Taken down by iran whose air defense had been taken down day one...

Ji, respectfully, Stealth has never meant invisibility. It is a reduction in ratio of radio visibility. Just one more stat. The Americans have over time lost over almost 50 KC 135's. Western Europe probably doesn't have that many to its name. Total production was over 800. Just KC 135s.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 08 Apr 2026 13:21

Recent News: Indian Embassy in Tehran issues advisory asking Indian nationals to exit Iran as soon as possible.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 08 Apr 2026 13:25

. Cenk Uygur reveals China and Pakistan officially warned they will nuke Israel if Israel drops a nuclear bomb on Iran. Trump's disastrous subservience to Netanyahu has put the entire world on the absolute brink of a nuclear holocaust.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 08 Apr 2026 13:36

Israel is covered by an American nuclear umbrella. So let me get this right, China and Pukistan are willing to sacrifice their populations for Iran. Wow! Downtown Beijing in flames for an Iran!

Does anyone believe this?

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 08 Apr 2026 14:59

Amber G. wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026 13:25 . Cenk Uygur reveals China and Pakistan officially warned they will nuke Israel if Israel drops a nuclear bomb on Iran. Trump's disastrous subservience to Netanyahu has put the entire world on the absolute brink of a nuclear holocaust.

Cenk is a rabid left guy … his crew was reasonable in the early 2010s when YT was new , now they all just milk extreme positions

ritesh · Post by **ritesh** » 08 Apr 2026 16:21

All this talk of ceasefire and all just just bunkum... USofA has decided to take a breather, while scheming to comeback with greater vigour later. Also, this won't last 2weeks, like little more that couple of days may be.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Apr 2026 17:18

The Jerusalem Post reports:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-892360
'Political disaster': Israeli leaders lash out over ceasefire, split on who’s to blame
"It will take us years to repair the political and strategic damage that Netanyahu created," Lapid claimed, while Otzma Yehudit MK Zvika Fogel blames Trump for "wimping out."

“ While Fogel and Lapid directed their criticism in different directions, their remarks reflect a broader sentiment shared across Israel's political spectrum that sees the ceasefire in its current form as a negative outcome for Israel.”

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 Apr 2026 19:21

Iranians has released a Hollywood type video.
https://x.com/PressTV/status/2041808853898035300
@PressTV
An animated reenactment of the operation depicting America’s major defeat in Isfahan and the escape mission; a defeat that forced the United States to accept Iran’s terms and request a ceasefire.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 Apr 2026 19:27

Iranians said to have retaliated as well
https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/2041841803129974886
@MeghUpdates
BREAKING: Explosions rock Iran's Lavan oil refinery and Siri Island facilities hours after fragile ceasefire announcement.

Iranian officials accuse external strike; unverified reports claim UAE Air Force involvement using Mirage 2000-9 jets and drones.

Tehran responds with missile/drone launches toward UAE and Kuwait, triggering air defenses.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 Apr 2026 19:28

The war is far from over
US-Iran Ceasefire: Indian Embassy In Iran Asks Indians To Exit Country | BREAKING
The Indian Embassy in Iran has issued a fresh advisory to Indians in Iran to 'exit the country expeditiously'. This move comes after the ceasefire announcement in the Iran war. Citizens are asked not to approach the international border without prior consultation. Watch this report for more details!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Apr 2026 19:34

As information comes in:

What are the ten points that Trump accepted as a basis for negotiations, and how do they differ from the original ten points that Iran provided as a response to Trump’s 15 points?

What are the responses to this ceasefire by Israel, Saudi Arabia, the UAE?

Where do we see the ceasefire breaking? Will this be a third time that the US starts bombing Iran in the middle of negotiations?

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 Apr 2026 19:35

Toilet is not trustworthy
REVEALED: Iran Supreme Leader's 'SECRET NOTES TO TRUMP' Hours Before Ceasefire Declaration | WATCH

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 Apr 2026 19:37

Trump Abandons Arab Allies After Losing The War? Panic Erupts In Gulf As Iranian Attacks Continue
Fresh chaos erupts across the Middle East as confusion over the U.S.-Iran ceasefire timeline triggers continued missile and drone attacks on Gulf nations. Reports from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, and Bahrain highlight air defense interceptions, fires, and civilian injuries even after ceasefire announcements by Donald Trump. Israel also reports fresh strikes, raising fears that the fragile truce may already be collapsing. With no clear ceasefire start time, the region faces escalating uncertainty, renewed tensions, and growing risks to global security and energy markets.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 Apr 2026 19:40

US Iran War Updates | Mojtaba Khamenei, Largely MIA, Helped Cut Truce Deal With US: Report
A stunning threat. A looming deadline. And a deal reached just in time.

The world heaved a collective sigh of relief.

A defiant Iran and the most powerful nation in the world, the US, fighting for over a month, agreed to a ceasefire 90 minutes before Trump's "wiping out a whole civilization" threat was to end.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 Apr 2026 19:42

Maj Gen GD Bakshi Slams Trump For Desperately Seeking Offramp After Humiliating Failure In Iran
GD Bakshi Slams Donald Trump For Desperately Seeking Offramp After Humiliating Failure In Iran

Major General GD Bakshi slams Donald Trump as the US gets into deep trouble in the Iran war. In this hard-hitting analysis, Bakshi exposes how Trump’s aggressive campaign has backfired badly, with America losing multiple aircraft, including F-15, A-10 Warthog, AWACS, and C-130 during a costly pilot rescue operation.

From Trump’s desperate search for an offramp to the massive economic disaster unfolding globally, Bakshi delivers a no-holds-barred takedown of America’s “calculated insanity.” He questions the high price paid for one pilot and warns of dangerous miscalculations that could drag the world into greater conflict.

Is Trump’s Iran war turning into a historic failure? Watch this explosive breakdown by India’s favourite military expert.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 Apr 2026 19:44

None of the Arab states will accept Iran controlling their Oil flow
Ships Require Iran's Approval To Pass Strait Of Hormuz Despite Ceasefire, Passage Remains Regulated

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 08 Apr 2026 20:13

Ingeresting news trickling in :
OM wants a joint Toll Operation with Eyeranians for Hormuz passage.
Imangine a fee of $1 per barrel : with a fifty fifty share would generate millions.
and worst affected would be the Asian customers!!
What are the alternatives??
I believe East-West pipeline in KSA has been hit.
The proposed line to bypass Hormuz and pump from UAE or Oman would involve a GCC cooperation and investment sharing as well.
If and when the Toll is enforced, who will pay the toll?? the Seller or the Buyer or will it be fifty fifty share??
If there is bypass, will Eyeranians egg their Proxies to attack ships passing through Red Sea!!

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 Apr 2026 21:11

The funniest thing here is "Trump requesting Trump for a ceasefire, and Trump approving it"

same as Nehru requesting award for Nehru and Nehru approving it.
https://x.com/i/status/2041660402476752917
@RnaudBertrand
This is just too funny

Trump's justification for extending his deadline by 2 weeks is that Pakistan's Prime Minister "requested" it.

But when you look at the edit history of the post in question by Pakistan's PM, where he "requests" the extension, it's painfully obvious it was sent to him by the White House since he first stupidly posted it with the mention "Draft - Pakistan's PM Message on X"

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 Apr 2026 21:20

Need to increase the missile production in the ITCM project. Be it LRLACM, SLCM or more variants
https://x.com/i/status/2041876450329108892
@Chopsyturvey
US Navy seeks 1,200% increase in Tomahawk missile procurement for 2027

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 Apr 2026 21:46

https://x.com/OfficeOfDGP/status/2041729790831685742
@OfficeOfDGP
Feb 28th vs April 7th picture

Now you decide who can claim VICTORY

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 08 Apr 2026 22:38

For the record. "Numerous Agreements, Lists, and Letters are being sent out by people that have absolutely nothing to do with the U.S.A. / Iran Negotiation, in many cases, they are total Fraudsters, Charlatans, and WORSE. They will be rapidly exposed after our Federal Investigation is completed. There is only one group of meaningful “POINTS” that are acceptable to the United States, and we will be discussing them behind closed doors during these Negotiations. These are the POINTS that are the basis on which we agreed to a CEASEFIRE. It is something that is reasonable, and can easily be dispensed with. It’s very much like Fake News CNN last night, headlining a “source” that had no power or authority to write a Letter claiming great authority. President DONALD J. TRUMP"

williams · Post by **williams** » 08 Apr 2026 23:18

Lisa wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026 12:33 There is a phrase that I have stolen, Beirutisation, ie the ability to freely enter a nation and bomb whatever you wish with virtually no consequences. The Israelis have been doing this in Lebanon since the 1970's and thus Beirut-isation. For those who remember, there was so much screaming and shouting over the raid in Tunis to kill members of the PLO, so much so that even the Americans complained.

That era is over.

The Beirutisation of Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, Iran and Qatar are now De jure.

There are those who talk of American aircraft losses, let's put this in context. America will produce 165 F35s this year. Historically, they have manufactured almost 8,000 F16, F15s and F18s.

American military capability, technical superiority, manufacturing prowess or economic strength is not in question here. These are all tools that can be used to make strategic gains. A lot of people are using this to say some how Americans gained strategically in this war. The simple fact is they did not. They lost the plot and are now struggling to get out of the quagmire with some face saving. Iran on the other hand survived, proved that American shield could not save the GCC countries and their military superiority cannot over come geopolitical, economic and geographic realities in the Persian gulf. Israelis also suffered a lot of damage and in spite of a lot of fighting they cannot say the threat from Iranian proxies have subsided significantly. All they did is created a large population of disgruntled civilians in the region. This will definitely create a fertile ground for more Jihadi recruitment in the future.

DJT and the Republicans who backed him has lost the trust of the formidable political coalition they raised to reduce the Democratic influence in America. I don't believe they can rebuild trust in the next five months to survive the midterms. Euphemistically, DJT has found his Waterloo in this Iran campaign.

bala · Post by **bala** » 09 Apr 2026 00:43

Despite all the Ummahhood business, there is a break between GCC and Iran which is not going to go away. The rift is permanent and irreparable. Iran views the GCC as friends with US and then there is the shia vs sunni divide. DJT has shown how fickle the US is with help in crisis mode for the GCC nations. Maybe Saudi A will try to build up a shield to insulate themselves from Iran. UAE is firmly in the US camp. All this means is that IMECC is truly the way forward for the GCC, be part of the trade with Europe. India has played its card quite smartly. The Chinese are looking pathetic after this episode.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Apr 2026 01:30

The political conflicts between the rulers of the Arabian Peninsula, the rulers of Persia and the rulers of Anatolia + Syria + Palestine precedes the advent of Islam.

It seems it is pretty much the “geo” graphy rather than the
“ideo” logy that lies at the root of the problems.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Apr 2026 01:31

> Euphemistically, DJT has found his Waterloo in this Iran campaign

It is a bigger, better and never-seen-before Waterloo of the type you get when you have won so much that you get tired of winning.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Apr 2026 01:36

Just hours after President Trump announced a temporary, two-week ceasefire with Iran, the Pakistan-brokered truce is already teetering on the edge. While the eleventh-hour agreement successfully paused the immediate threat of U.S. strikes and briefly promised the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz, the reality on the ground remains highly volatile. Israel, explicitly stating that the ceasefire does not extend to its northern front, immediately launched a massive, surprise wave of airstrikes against Hezbollah in Lebanon. In swift response to what it views as a direct violation of the fragile deal, Tehran has reportedly halted oil tankers from passing through the Strait once again, quickly dampening the global market's relief. With Iranian officials lodging urgent complaints with Pakistani mediators and new drone interceptions reported over Saudi Arabia, tonight we examine the widening cracks in this diplomatic victory.

YouTube: https://youtu.be/HYiBDUlNurc?si=2Q_9eE0nt2qBtSrl

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 09 Apr 2026 02:08

Meanwhile: Trump has given a wake-up call to allies who depended on and trusted the United States for support in difficult times..

Taiwan's top leader, Cheng Li-wun in a historic move, has arrived in China to meet President XiJinping, calling it a "journey for peace"

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Apr 2026 03:16

Now Trump + White House is saying - none of you know what the 10 point deal is; it is secret; it is a summary of Trump’s original 15 points, and is not Iran’s 10 points; and ceasefire in Lebanon is not part of the deal.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 09 Apr 2026 03:27

Whatever.

It still feels like when your friend has been publicly humiliated.

This war was a lousy unjustifiable idea. It has finished off the American brand for a generation.

I anticipated sanitising the Persian gulf with scramjet type missiles that India is starting too field, as I posted months ago.

The Iranians showed they could do it with liquid fuelled rockets. And precision guided drones. The ace was the remarkable attacks on gulf bases. That ended it.

bala · Post by **bala** » 09 Apr 2026 03:34

Russia is saying that Germany can make a nuclear bomb within 30 days. I guess Japan too!

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 09 Apr 2026 03:36

Is Russia about to bomb Germany for 6 weeks akin to Iran? What sites would be targetted?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Apr 2026 04:14

I think both Trump and Munir operate on the assumption that as long as they keep loudly proclaiming victory, the media is too cowed down to contradict them, and the people accept or dare not question, then it is a victory.

Operation Bunyan-un-Marsoos and Operation Epic Fury are the mostest successfulest military operations in modern history.