Understanding the US - Again

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AI summary of a fight in the US Congress that I am following:

The fight over the **Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)**—specifically **Section 702**—is a perennial high-stakes drama in Washington. It pits national security needs against constitutional privacy rights, creating some of the strangest political alliances in modern history.

Here is the breakdown of why everyone is fighting.

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### 1. What is Section 702?
Section 702 allows U.S. intelligence agencies (like the NSA) to intercept the digital communications (emails, texts, phone calls) of **non-citizens located outside the U.S.** without a warrant.

The "catch" is **incidental collection**: if a foreign target talks to an American, that American’s data is also swept up and stored in a government database.

### 2. The Core Conflict: The "Backdoor Search"
The "fight" centers on how the FBI and other agencies access that "incidentally" collected American data.

* **The Security Argument:** Intelligence officials argue that Section 702 is a "crown jewel" of national security. They claim that requiring a warrant to search the database for American identifiers would slow them down during fast-moving threats like cyberattacks or terrorist plots.
* **The Privacy Argument:** Civil libertarians argue that searching this database for Americans without a warrant is a "backdoor" violation of the Fourth Amendment. They want a **warrant requirement** for any query involving a "U.S. person."

### 3. Unusual Bedfellows
The FISA fight is one of the few issues where the traditional party lines vanish. You’ll often see:
* **The "Privacy Hawks":** A coalition of **Progressive Democrats** (concerned about government overreach) and **MAGA-aligned Republicans** (skeptical of the "Deep State" following the 2016 Russia probe).
* **The "Security Hawks":** Establishment leaders from both parties, the White House, and the Intelligence Committees who prioritize national security and trust the existing guardrails.

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### 4. Why is this happening now? (April 2026 Context)
In April 2024, Congress passed a short-term, **two-year reauthorization** of Section 702 as a compromise. Because that extension was so brief, the expiration is hitting **right now**.

> **Key Stakes:** If Congress fails to act, the legal authority for this surveillance technically lapses. The current debate involves "reform" vs. "clean" reauthorization, with the "Privacy Hawks" pushing for stricter limits on how the FBI uses the data and the "Security Hawks" warning that the world is too dangerous for such restrictions.

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**Current Status:** As of this week, Congress is likely staring down a midnight deadline, debating whether to add a warrant requirement or simply kick the can down the road with another short-term extension.
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https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... f552bab9fe

OM wants the medal of honour for himself. I don’t know how much of this story is true, WSJ is only a couple of steps away from Al Jazeera or Daily Mail. But then this is OM si anything is possible.

Hoping for his third term to be a reality!
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^^I doubt that. USA is a strongly democratic country. Despite the binary choices forced upon the people due to the 2-party system, it muddles its way to a reasonable solution via checks and balances, like a good democracy should.

There likely will not be any "third term". The midterms in 2026 will likely be a "bloodbath" for Haathi...2028 is "dilli duur hai".

If you want to "hope", then hope for USA to become a truly prosperous and equitable country without the baggage of world dominance.
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KL Dubey wrote: 21 Apr 2026 11:47 ^^I doubt that. USA is a strongly democratic country. Despite the binary choices forced upon the people due to the 2-party system, it muddles its way to a reasonable solution via checks and balances, like a good democracy should.
The Two party system, takes away so many options for the people. People are made to choose between the politics of these two and there are no alternatives for them. Both the parties are rotten inside, we have not seen the rise of a third party in the U.S. It will not happen. Even Kerala with their Congress Republican's and Leftist Democrats are seeing the rise of BJP.
The Checks and balances are from the institutions and the limits to the political class.
High time for a BJP (America).
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uddu wrote: 21 Apr 2026 13:09
KL Dubey wrote: 21 Apr 2026 11:47 ^^I doubt that. USA is a strongly democratic country. Despite the binary choices forced upon the people due to the 2-party system, it muddles its way to a reasonable solution via checks and balances, like a good democracy should.
The Two party system, takes away so many options for the people. People are made to choose between the politics of these two and there are no alternatives for them. Both the parties are rotten inside, we have not seen the rise of a third party in the U.S. It will not happen. Even Kerala with their Congress Republican's and Leftist Democrats are seeing the rise of BJP.
The Checks and balances are from the institutions and the limits to the political class.
High time for a BJP (America).
Ah

Trump would be the first one to create a " third party" after the elections !!
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JD Vance with wanted Bank Fraudsters and Money Laundering criminals in Pakistan.
https://x.com/i/status/2046499904168906925
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US Vice President JD Vance was introduced to Umar Farooq Zahoor upon arriving in Pakistan earlier this month for Iran peace talks. Zahoor, a Dubai-based businessman, is wanted in Norway for one of the biggest bank frauds and money laundering.

Who is Zahoor, who's also a recipient of a Pakistani government award?
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Donald Trump
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THE WALL STREET JOURNAL HAS LOST ITS WAY!
An IDIOT on The Wall Street Journal’s Editorial Board, named Elliot Kaufman, just wrote an Op Ed entitled, “The Iranians Take Trump for a Sucker.” Really? For 47 years, they have killed our people, and many others, and taken advantage of every President, except me — And what did I give to them, a Country in tatters! Their entire Navy is at the bottom of the Sea, their Air Force is gone, their Anti Aircraft and Radar is wiped out, their Nuclear Labs and Storage Areas were OBLITERATED late one dark June evening by our Great B-2 Bombers, their leaders are DEAD, including General Soleimani, their evil genius who destroyed the lives of so many with his favored roadside bombs, the Strait of Hormuz is BLOCKADED and totally controlled by the U.S., with no Ships allowed to go to Iranian Ports — It is said that they are losing 500 Million Dollars a day because of this — Their Country is an Economic Catastrophe, that is hanging by a thread. Barack Hussein Obama gave them 1.7 Billion Dollars in “Green” Cash, flown in by a Boeing 757 to their leaders, and Hundreds of Billions of Dollars in order to help them on their way to a Nuclear Bomb. Other Presidents did nothing to stop them, a BLIGHT on the Office of the Presidency! But despite all of this, I have a MORON on the Editorial Board of The Wall Street Journal writing about me being taken for a “sucker.” Iran certainly doesn’t think so! Neither does anyone else. I guess Rupert Murdoch told him to write it this way, because The Wall Street Journal has lost its way, no longer required reading, just another failing political “RAG!” President DONALD J. TRUMP
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Well, Iran can always be bombed more.
Looks like Israel is not happy with Trump trying to get this done on the cheap.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/2046 ... 13454.html
Check the thread .... I fact checked all of them
1. The MOU signing and participants (Thread 2/5)Claim: Finance Minister Muhammad Aurangzeb signed a high-profile MOU with Zachary Witkoff (son of Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff and CEO of WLF/SC Financial Technologies). PM Shehbaz Sharif and Field Marshal Asim Munir stood behind them.
Verdict: True.
On January 14, 2026, in Islamabad, the MOU was signed exactly as described. Government photos and statements confirm the presence of Sharif, Munir, and others. It was publicly announced by Pakistan’s Virtual Asset Regulatory Authority (PVARA).
2. Nature of the deal and integration (Thread 2/5 and 3/5)Claim: The deal gives the “Trump-family-controlled USD1 stablecoin direct integration into Pakistan’s regulated digital payments system and operational access to the State Bank of Pakistan.” It is the “first sovereign state partnership” for WLF. USD1 will handle payments, remittances, cross-border settlements, and sit alongside Pakistan’s future digital currency.
Verdict: Mostly accurate, but with important nuance. The MOU is with SC Financial Technologies LLC, an “affiliated entity” of WLF (Trump family’s main crypto venture). It explicitly aims to explore integrating WLF’s USD1 dollar-pegged stablecoin into Pakistan’s regulated digital payments infrastructure for cross-border transactions and to work with the State Bank of Pakistan.

It is described as the first major publicly disclosed sovereign-government partnership for WLF.

However, it is a non-binding, exploratory memorandum of understanding focused on “structured dialogue and technical understanding.” It does not grant immediate “direct integration,” operational control, or binding access — it sets the stage for future technical collaboration.

3. Trump family ownership and revenue (Thread 2/5)Claim: WLF is a platform where the Trump family’s entity holds majority ownership and takes 75% of token sale revenues.
Verdict: True.
WLF was launched in 2024 by Trump’s sons (with Trump as co-founder emeritus). A Trump-affiliated entity (DT Marks DEFI LLC) is entitled to 75% of net protocol revenues from token sales and related activities, per WLF’s own “Gold Paper”/governing documents. The family has a significant ownership stake in the venture.

4. Consequences for Pakistan’s monetary policy and economy (Thread 3/5)Claim: A private Trump-family company now has a “direct pipeline” into Pakistan’s central banking infrastructure. Conversions into USD1 will pull liquidity out of Pakistan toward U.S. Treasury assets, causing the State Bank to lose monetary policy control, accelerate inflation, rupee depreciation, and capital flight.
Verdict: Opinion, not established fact.
The MOU is exploratory and limited to cross-border payments/stablecoin infrastructure. No public evidence or official statements indicate immediate loss of sovereignty, liquidity drain, or policy control. Pakistani officials framed it positively as advancing digital finance and cross-border innovation amid improving U.S.-Pakistan ties. Economic risks raised in the thread are speculative analysis, not confirmed outcomes of the non-binding agreement.

5. What Pakistan received in return (Thread 4/5)Claim: In exchange, Pakistan got Trump praise, red-carpet treatment, and a floated Nobel Peace Prize nomination. It delivered a “captive market” for the stablecoin and helped manage America’s debt burden.
Verdict: Partially true (praise and nomination confirmed; motives are opinion). Trump has publicly praised Sharif and Munir (consistent with the thread’s opener).
Pakistan’s government (under Sharif) has officially nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize on multiple occasions for regional peace efforts.

Claims of “economic colonization,” “auctioning off sovereignty,” or direct quid pro quo for debt management/photo-ops are the thread author’s interpretive framing, not supported by official statements or reporting.

Summary Factual core is accurate: The January 14, 2026 MOU happened, involved the exact people described, concerns WLF’s USD1 stablecoin, and reflects Trump family business interests (including the 75% revenue share).
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Thanks, @vijayk!
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fir ... p_catchall
‘He Was Fired’: Fox News Reports Navy Secretary Did Not Leave on His Own
Former Secretary of the Navy John Phelan was fired, Fox News White House Correspondent Jacqui Heinrich reported on Wednesday.

Multiple news outlets had reported that Phelan was leaving his post, but it was unclear if he resigned or was terminated. On Wednesday’s Special Report, Heinrich removed all doubt by reporting that Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth fired him. The news comes amid the ongoing U.S. naval blockade of Iran.

“The Pentagon spokesman just announced Navy Secretary John Phelan is departing the administration, effective immediately, saying, ‘We wish him well in his future endeavors,'” Heinrich said. “It was not immediately clear from this post if he resigned or was fired, but Fox News has learned in the last few moments he was fired. He had a very close relationship, apparently, with Donald Trump Jr. and just hosted a bridal shower for his fiancée this past weekend in Palm Beach.”

Heinrich added that Undersecretary of the Navy Hung Cao will become acting secretary. Cao served in the Navy and was endorsed by President Donald Trump in his unsuccessful 2024 Senate bid in Virginia.

Phelan is the 34th officer Hegseth has fired, Heinrich noted.
Secy of Navy is a civilian, not an officer.
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"Vivek Ramaswamy's parents immigrated to the US from India on H-1B visas. He used that platform to campaign for ending birthright citizenship — the exact law that makes him an American citizen. He co-led DOGE. He endorsed Trump. He called the MAGA base "mediocre." And now they're telling him to go back to where he came from.
This is what happens when you help build the machine and forget you're also fuel."
https://youtu.be/EvKexxjrlfU?si=gOwiLdea6nxkqBlM

See, there's a sustained online campaign boosted by accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers, including names you might know from the cable news to revoke birthright citizenship for the kids of H1B visa holders. That's right there is a direct constitutional confrontation waiting to happen. And the people pushing it are no longer at the kids table anymore. They're sitting at the policy table with the big boys.
By the way, every immigrant group in American history has been told the same thing. Uh, don't worry. If you help us with the current enemy, then we're not sgoing to come for you. You'll be one of the good ones. The Italians were told that, the Irish were told that. The Eastern European Jews, they were told that. And in every single case, that protection lasted only as long as the immigrant group was politically useful and not a single day longer.

Now, the Grapers, they do understand this. But they're pretty explicit about it. Their entire ideology is that whiteness is the only stable category and that every other category is conditional.

The Indian-American donor who wrote a million-doll check to Donald Trump or to a Trump aligned pack in 2024 wasn't buying a seat at the table. They were just renting it. And the Groypers just told the landlord to raise that rent.

And now here is where the story you know this becomes a story about every American not just an Indian American maga folks. Okay the Groyper faction has policy power not just influence but but power. They wrote the H1B draft. They're writing the birthright citizenship campaign. They will write what comes after that. And what comes safter H-1B and birthright citizenship is by their unpublished roadmap the targeting of legal permanent residence, the renegotiation of refugee admissions to zero and the formal declaration that the United States is an ethnostate, a white ethnostate. That's not a slippery slope argument. That is their published platform. They wrote it down. They put it on Substack. They said it on their podcasts.

And the only group inside the Trump coalition that was politically positioned to push back, the Silicon Valley H1B friendly wing anchored by Indian-American donors. They're currently being purged. You're not white, man. You were never going to be white. We told you what this was. But But I don't understand. I I I helped fund the campaign. I should be safe. And that exchange is the entire 2026 Republican party in two lines. That's the reality for every immigrant who thought they were going to have a permanent seat at the MAGA table.
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A_Gupta wrote: 24 Apr 2026 09:50 "Vivek Ramaswamy's parents immigrated to the US from India on H-1B visas. He used that platform to campaign for ending birthright citizenship — the exact law that makes him an American citizen.
AI:

During his 2024 presidential campaign, Vivek Ramaswamy advocated for ending birthright citizenship for children born in the U.S. to undocumented immigrants, arguing the 14th Amendment does not apply to them. He proposed a "cold turkey" approach, supporting the deportation of such individuals even if they have lived in the U.S. their entire lives.

Key Details on Ramaswamy's Stance:

Legal Interpretation: Ramaswamy argued that if the child of a foreign diplomat does not enjoy birthright citizenship, then the child of an undocumented immigrant should not either.

14th Amendment Views: He argued that the 14th Amendment, which grants citizenship to those "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S., was not intended to cover children of individuals who broke the law to enter the country.

Deportation Stance: He stated that his policy would include deporting children of undocumented immigrants who were born in the U.S. and have lived there for 25–30 years.

Distinction on Legal Immigrants: Ramaswamy noted his policy would apply specifically to children of parents in the country illegally, implying support for birthright citizenship for children of legal immigrants.
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^^^ You missed:
By the way, every immigrant group in American history has been told the same thing. Uh, don't worry. If you help us with the current enemy, then we're not sgoing to come for you. You'll be one of the good ones. The Italians were told that, the Irish were told that. The Eastern European Jews, they were told that. And in every single case, that protection lasted only as long as the immigrant group was politically useful and not a single day longer.

Now, the Grapers, they do understand this. But they're pretty explicit about it. Their entire ideology is that whiteness is the only stable category and that every other category is conditional.

The Indian-American donor who wrote a million-doll check to Donald Trump or to a Trump aligned pack in 2024 wasn't buying a seat at the table. They were just renting it. And the Groypers just told the landlord to raise that rent.

And now here is where the story you know this becomes a story about every American not just an Indian American maga folks. Okay the Groyper faction has policy power not just influence but but power. They wrote the H1B draft. They're writing the birthright citizenship campaign. They will write what comes after that. And what comes safter H-1B and birthright citizenship is by their unpublished roadmap the targeting of legal permanent residence, the renegotiation of refugee admissions to zero and the formal declaration that the United States is an ethnostate, a white ethnostate. That's not a slippery slope argument. That is their published platform. They wrote it down. They put it on Substack. They said it on their podcasts.

And the only group inside the Trump coalition that was politically positioned to push back, the Silicon Valley H1B friendly wing anchored by Indian-American donors. They're currently being purged. You're not white, man. You were never going to be white. We told you what this was. But But I don't understand. I I I helped fund the campaign. I should be safe. And that exchange is the entire 2026 Republican party in two lines. That's the reality for every immigrant who thought they were going to have a permanent seat at the MAGA table.
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Also, the 14th amendment begins with: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

If you are illegal, you are illegal under what law? under the jurisdiction of the United States. Foreign diplomats are not under the jurisdiction of the United States.

To build a MAGA backed political career Vivek Ramaswami sold out all immigrants. There can be no two opinions about it.
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Regardless, it appears the "Logical Leftist" is flatly misrepresenting Vivek Ramaswamy's position on Birthright Citizenship. This doesn't bode well for the credibility of his other commentary.

Today, I see a crumbling MAGA coalition about to hurl itself off the cliff. Let alone H1Bs and Indian Americans, a large chunk of these mouth-breathers have actually gone after Israel and Jewish Americans, a far better-established constituency in the US. The remaining chunk are flailing to justify a disastrous war that Chump launched against Iran together with Israel. Support for MAGA among Latinos, which was critical for pulling Chump over the line in 2024, is evaporating as well.

Meanwhile, at least half the Democratic Party is riddled through with well-funded and strongly-entrenched Islamic Supremacists of the most malignant stripe. And with the promise of severe economic hardship to come, this faction-- which also professes an absurd slate of socialistic panacaeas in lieu of economic policy-- stands poised to overwhelm any sane voices remaining in the party establishment.

They will wipe out the Schumers and Jeffrieses as surely as MAGA buried the Bushes and Romneys. They will welcome 'brown' subcontinental people who are Muslim and tolerate those who are Dhimmis. And they will persecute any who dare dissent against Quranic hegemony-- such as by failing to adequately suppress their Hindu identities-- as "reactionary", treacherous Wajib-ul-Qatl.

You can already spot the seeds of this invective germinating in the "Logical Leftist's" framing of Vivek Ramaswamy and Silicon Valley Indians-- you're not white, but you sure are bourgeois race-traitors inveighed against our Universal Coalition of People of Color! As also in the spate of so-called "anti-caste discrimination" resolutions cropping up to scapegoat Hindus at universities, municipal bodies, corporations, and state legislatures across the country.

The red-green alliance has already written the story when it comes to Hindu Americans... "Brahminical" supremacists, "Traditionalist" oppressors, "Collaborator" toadies, "Petite Bourgeoisie" opportunists, and of course, "Islamophobic" bearers of extranational loyalty to the Uber Fascist Modi. Hell, even milque-toast, mainstream Democrats like Raja Krishnamoorthy and Aruna Miller haven't been spared. The objective is to corral Hindu-Americans into a permanent state of cowed Dhimmitude while browbeating them about how awful MAGA is.

All this time, India plods along with no grasp whatsoever on how to fight the global narrative war. Hindu Americans cling to political formulations that have been obsolete for a decade, remain solidly ignorant of how to channel their prosperity into political clout, and fall back ultimately on living with their eyelids bolted shut in resolute denial of the erasure to come.
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The CATO Institute claims:

Trump Has Cut Legal Immigration More Than Illegal Immigration
https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-has-cut ... mmigration
As expected, President Trump has reduced illegal entries since Inauguration Day in January 2025, but as I predicted, his administration has reduced legal entries far more. Although the full data won’t be in for months, we can assess that the cuts to illegal entries are likely less than half of the total cuts to immigration on a monthly basis. Put differently, the cut to legal entries was 2.5 times as large.
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Did CATO insti blog take the big whoosh of all the jobs getting sucked into the AI feeding frenzy? Recent graduates in CS/IT are not getting entry-level jobs. Why would companies hire from abroad and jump through the hoops of filing for H1Bs.
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Raja Krishnamoorthy, along with Ro Khanna, was part of the Pakistan Caucus. A case can be made that Ro Khanna is also a mainstream Democrat.

RK losing the primaries is one indication that Obama's influence in the DNC is dwindling fast.
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Two Iranian Women in ICE Detention Are Not, In Fact, Related to Qasem Soleimani, Documents Show
After Laura Loomer pointed to two women she claimed were connected to the late Iranian military commander, they were arrested and remain in immigration detention. One is now gravely ill.
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/iranian- ... bio-loomer
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MAGA is to US what Brexiters were to the UK. Once the economy tumbles, they will be consigned to history . I mean who will remember the MAGtards who need face lifts every few years ! There was a clip recently of a leading Hollywood heroine casually saying Inshallah she hopes things will happen for her.. Pisslam backed by the same $ is getting deeper!
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