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Lt. Col. Stobdan Kalon, VSM: The man who reconnoitered Siachen in 1978


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he was assigned this top secret mission by Kumar. ‘The objectives of our mission were (a) to find out details/evidence of any explorations from the Pakistani side (b) to see if any track or route was being built or used by the Chinese to access this region (c) to map the possible route for the full expedition which was to be inducted subsequently (d) to ascertain how many people and what equipment would be needed for the expedition and (e) identify the possible logistical challenges and address them’.

Kalon’s recce team had four other instructors from HAWS and they set out on their mission in the summer of 1978 with porters, ponies and camels for support. They travelled to Sasoma by vehicle and thereafter the journey was on foot. Their first stop was Changlung followed by Tongstead and Warshi before they reached the snout of the glacier. ‘We had only blank maps and were required to mark all the landmarks, routes, proposed camp locations and other important features for the expedition. We spent around two weeks in and around the glacier to gather all the information. On our return I gave a sand model briefing to the Commandant and also presented the terrain assessment, route mapping and logistical support estimate for the expedition which was being planned before the onset of winter in the same year’.

Thereafter Kalon was appointed as the Deputy Leader of Kumar’s Teram Kangri Expedition Team of 1978 and led from the front. The team set out in September 1978 and the main party reached Khalsar on the 2nd. Kalon’s ancestral home at Tegar served as a virtual transit camp for the expedition team and since his family owned the only double humped Bactrian camels in the region at that time it was decided to use their services as well during the journey. Based on the inputs of the recce mission Camp-I was established at the base of the summit after crossing the Teram Shehr glacier, at an altitude of around 19,000 feet. Kalon was then tasked with opening up the route to the summit from the glacier and marking it out with ropes so that the others could follow. The route to Camp II was over a steep ridge and also went under loosely hanging ice masses which could give way anytime. However Kalon’s team successfully navigated the path and established the Camp at 21,000 feet. ‘The stay at this camp was very risky as there was a constant threat of falling stones and avalanches. While the food consisted of ‘khichdi’ which we cooked by melting the ice the biggest problem was the toilet as we had to precariously balance our self with ropes while watching for falling stones and had less than a minute before freezing’, recalls Kalon. On 6th October 1978 the route to Camp III established at an altitude of 23,000 feet was opened. Finally on 13th October 1978, the 24,300 feet Teram Kangri –II Peak on the main crest of the Karakoram Range was summited by the Indian Army mountaineers who stood overlooking the Shaksgam Valley. ‘‘This entire expedition lasted almost three months. Almost every day Pakistani fighter planes would fly close to us trying to observe our movements and intimidate us.
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/lt-c ... n-in-1978/
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rohitvats wrote: 29 Apr 2023 11:42 Point 5770, Navdeep Top, and Chulung La fall on LOC or the AGPL?
I believe AGPL. All are north of NJ9842
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Thanks for the article wig. Shows how much preparation went on before the actual Siachen expedition. Interesting that PAF was buzzing Indian expeditions even in 1978 when Pakistan in general was still in disarray
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I found this journey into Siachen Base Camp, Nubra Valley very educational. Harish Bali takes the viewer on a journey from Sumur village to Siachen Base Camp which is at a distance of 80 km. Siachen Base Camp is located at the base of the Siachen Glacier, Ladakh. Siachen Glacier is the longest Glacier in India and 2nd longest in the World with a height of 5753M. Siachen Glacier is also known as the world's highest battlefield. Siachen is of strategic significance for India, Pakistan and even China because it forms a hub between Shaksgam Valley, Karakoram Pass and Aksai Chin. Siachen is also a base camp of Corps of Indian Army which protects 110 km long Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL) with at least 108 forward military outposts and artillery observation posts in the disputed region of Siachen.

Highest post of Siachen is known as Bana Post which is about a height of 6500M.

Date of video shoot: 19th and 20th July 2023.



// my huge respects (shraddhanjali) to the Indian Army and the many soldiers who sacrificed their lives to protect India, especially O Prakash (OP Babaji) who protects the area post his death and of course Bana Singh.
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Lt. Gen Sanjay Kulkarni in Siachen Revisited.

Ladakh scouts made a foray in 81, 82. Sanjay Kulkarni in 1983 made an expedition. In 1984 India pre-empted the Pukes in 13th of April (Baisakhi) of that year. Apparently the pukes bought a lot of european mountaineering gear. Sanjay jumped out of a helicopter onto hard ice. The weather turned horrible the next few days. On June 23rd the Paki started shooting. 1st hand recounting of actual conditions on the glacier and the deep experience of veteran soldier Sanjay Kulkarni of the Indian Army in the YT..



It makes you wonder about the idiotic leadership of India just after Independence which created such hassles after partition by the Britshits. Two rabid enemies both in cahoots with each other. The Britshits are not done with their murderous regime of India, they continue to this day with their proxies of modern day.
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Siachen Glacier—A Triangular Wedge In The Pakistan, China Threat At The World's Third Pole In Ladakh
The Siachen Glacier is a critical, strategic triangle that India has wedged between Pakistan and China. India foiled Pakistan's preparations to militarily occupy the Siachen Glacier with ‘Operation Meghdoot’ in April 1984, pre-empting Operation Ababeel. In Episode IX of 'The Himalayan Frontier', a StratNews Global team of Amitabh P. Revi, Rohit Pandita, and Karan Marwaha travels from Leh, Ladakh's capital to the Siachen Base Camp to document the strategic synergy between the Indian Army and the Indian Air Force (IAF) in dealing with the Pakistan, China two-front threat around Siachen. The Border Roads Organisation (BRO) is also completing the Sasoma-Saser La-Saser Brangsa-Gapshan-Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO) Road in the region. It is a connectivity link that is the world’s first glaciated road and an alternate axis for the Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldie (DSDBO) road to the Indian Army's northernmost base-DBO.
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WATCH 📹 | Siachen: How India Outraced Pakistan

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Military Digest | 40 years of Operation Meghdoot: The unsung foot soldier who marched to top but has no gallantry award
https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... d-9269204/
15 April 2024
Lt Col NS Salaria led the column of soldiers from the snout of the Siachen Glacier at 12,000 feet to Sia La Pass at 22,000 feet and linked up with the troops dropped by helicopters.
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Rakesh wrote: 15 Apr 2024 20:33 Military Digest | 40 years of Operation Meghdoot: The unsung foot soldier who marched to top but has no gallantry award
https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... d-9269204/
15 April 2024
Lt Col NS Salaria led the column of soldiers from the snout of the Siachen Glacier at 12,000 feet to Sia La Pass at 22,000 feet and linked up with the troops dropped by helicopters.
The current dispensation should have given him recognition. Would have made for good optics amongst the retired faujis as well.
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Siachen world’s only nuclear triangle
https://www.newindianexpress.com/explai ... r-triangle
21 April 2024
Guns kept blazing every day from that day till 2003 when India and Pakistan agreed on a truce. Significantly, Siachen sits on the nuclear tri-junction of India, Pakistan and China. It’s the world’s only nuclear triangle.
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Siachen saga: Forty years since PM Indira Gandhi captured it, the glacier remains a military priority
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/featu ... ity-612928
21 April 2024

https://x.com/ajaynewsman/status/1781896654880227602 ---> Why India secured it. Siachen plan was put in place from 1980 onwards. Pak claim is erroneous. Had that gone thru, Pak-China collusion on Depsang DBO would be reality.

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https://x.com/theamitkpaul/status/20426 ... 37633?s=20 ---> A rare picture of the final briefing before the launch of Operation Meghdoot on 13 April 1984 and India's mission to Siachen. Lt Gen Hoon is addressing the men. AVM Dalaya can be seen. Can you guess the others?

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Ah... it is because of these lads that some still hope of having a 'Siachen Peace park' :lol:
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Operation Meghdoot: The Strategy That Changed Everything

A deep dive into one of India’s most challenging and consequential military operations: Operation Meghdoot. In this conversation, we speak with Editor-in-Chief Nitin A. Gokhale, author of the bestselling novel, 'Beyond NJ 9842: The Siachen Saga,' on the 42nd anniversary of Operation Meghdoot. We discuss insights from his book, unpack how India secured and sustained its presence on the world’s highest battlefield, and examine how the situation on Siachen has evolved over the decades. This is not just the story of a military operation — but of endurance, strategy, and the realities of warfare in one of the harshest environments on Earth.

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https://x.com/theamitkpaul/status/20434 ... 13554?s=20 ---> Today is Operation Meghdoot day. At around 5:30 am on 13 April 1984, Cheetah sorties for the Saltoro Pass & trek started for Siachen. A rare picture of Captain Sanjay Kulkarni (extreme left) on Bilafond La. Bilafond Glacier - Ali Brangza behind. A 7.62mm SLR resting on left.

https://x.com/theamitkpaul/status/20434 ... 61854?s=20 ---> The feature on the left (incomplete in the picture) leads further to a peak on the top now known as Bana Top.

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https://x.com/theamitkpaul/status/20435 ... 59600?s=20 ---> "The lull before the storm". Before the commencement of Operation and India's Siachen quest on 13 April 1984. Captain Sanjay Kulkarni - the man who unfurled the tricolour on Bilfond La (left) with his Company Commander, Major RS Sandhu at the Base Camp.

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https://x.com/Kyangs_Thang/status/20436 ... 11206?s=20 ---> Saltoro Kangri overlooks the Kondus spires from Ghursay Top - Gilgit Baltistan. Forming the western anchor of the Siachen theatre, the Indian forces pre-empted Pakistan to position itself on the Saltoro ridgeline as a part of Operation Meghdoot on 13 April 1984. At 7,742 meters (25,400 ft), Saltoro Kangri is currently the fourth highest mountain peak in Indian-controlled territories.

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How India’s Sparrows outsmarted Pakistan and helped conquer Siachen in 1984 Operation Meghdoot
https://theprint.in/opinion/indias-spar ... t/2902656/
12 April 2026
The ‘Sparrows’—the signalmen of the Indian Army—are known for their swiftness and agility in establishing secure and reliable communication in battle zones.
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NJ 9842 launched the Siachen conflict. Where is it actually located?
https://theprint.in/opinion/nj-9842-lau ... d/2902204/
11 April 2026
Since the region beyond NJ 9842 did not have any military presence and had not seen any action neither side contemplated that it would become a bone of contention in the future.
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Operation Meghdoot — when Indian soldiers walked through clouds to beat Pakistan at Saltoro Heights
https://theprint.in/opinion/operation-m ... s/2903363/
13 April 2026
Tactical and ground conditions, the wait for all loose ends to tie up, festive fervour, and regimental spirit—all had some part to play in 13 April being chosen as the D-day.
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How Exercise Walnut Cracker paved the way for Indian Army’s Siachen capture
https://theprint.in/opinion/exercise-wa ... n/2904383/
14 April 2026
To cater for all contingencies and evaluate all tactical scenarios, the Indian Army war-gamed the possible plans and reactions of both sides in Srinagar.
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Operation Meghdoot: The Strategy That Changed Everything
https://bharatshakti.in/operation-meghd ... verything/
13 April 2026
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How the Air Force’s Cheetahs and MI-8s gave India an edge in the race to Siachen
https://theprint.in/opinion/how-the-air ... n/2904900/
15 April 2026
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Operation Meghdoot—How Indian artillery repelled Pakistan at Bilafond La in 1984
https://theprint.in/opinion/operation-m ... 4/2906893/
17 April 2026
At Bilafond La in June 1984, the deployment of Grad-P rockets and mortars helped blunt a Pakistani attack—years before Bofors became synonymous with Kargil.
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/india/be ... 2bc0&ei=26

Before Kargil: How India handed Musharraf his first defeat in Siachen — a first-hand account
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The NJ9842 line, drawn under the Karachi Agreement after the first Indo-Pak war, was meant to mark an end. Instead, it pointed “thence north to the glaciers” — and straight into the next conflict. In 1984, 35 years later, India moved first, securing the strategic Saltoro Ridge overlooking the Siachen Glacier, pre-empting Pakistan. Islamabad responded in 1986, when its elite Special Services Group captured the left shoulder of Bilafond La. At 21,500 feet—the highest feature in the area—the position gave Pakistan a commanding advantage. Such was the importance of the post that the Pakistanis named it Quaid Post, after Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

In 1987, the 8th Battalion of the Jammu and Kashmir Light Infantry (JAK LI) was tasked with capturing this post. The unit held two positions — Sonam and Amar — on either side of Quaid Post, with Sonam being the lower of the two. Both Indian posts were dominated by the solitary Pakistani position perched above them. At such extreme altitudes, Indian positions were accessible only by helicopter, and sustained Pakistani fire made even routine movement hazardous, inflicting casualties on the outgoing 5th Battalion of the Bihar Regiment.
assault by 29 may1987 led by second Lieutenant Rajiv Pande, Vir Chakra and his team
On the 29th of May 1987, a small team of Indian soldiers, led by Second Lieutenant Rajiv Pande, and a dozen men moved out to find the best route to the post on a dominating height.

The patrol had advanced undetected till the very last stretch. Lance Havildar Mulk Raj Sharma, armed with nothing more than an ice axe, carved footholds into the sheer wall, anchoring the rope that would guide the rest. Inch by inch, the men climbed towards the objective. Then, in a moment, a Pakistani Machine gun broke the silence, the 13 men finding their way to the top of the mountain were cut short of the objective.

"As the patrol moved ahead, placing a rope to the top, Havildar Mulk Raj was establishing a path for others to follow. They were fired upon when they were 30 meters away from the Pakistani post, resulting in many casualties. Of the 13 men who went to make way to the highest post on the planet, only 2 survived," said Brigadier Rajiv Williams (retd), who was then a Major serving with 8 JAK LI.
Operation Rajiv- the legendary assault - then Naib Subedar Bana Singh, Param Vir Chakra and his team are victorious and the Post is now known as Bana Post
The battalion, now resolved to take the dominating feature, named their next move Operation Rajiv, as a mark of respect for the young officer and his team.

"The task was entrusted to a force of 55 officers and soldiers. The team consisted of 2 officers, 3 JCOs and 50 other ranks. This team was led by Major Varinder Singh. The newly formed Army Aviation Corps undertook a massive effort to assemble the men and equipment, in their Cheetah helicopters that could take only one man at a time," said Brigadier Rajiv Williams.

On 23 June 1987, the force moved out, taking hours to cover barely a kilometre as weather and terrain resisted every step. It took time to locate the rope fixed by Pande’s patrol, delaying the assault. By the evening of 24 June, the rope was found and the climb began once more.

"A base was established below the objective, which was manned by the Pakistani Special Services Group, the best that the Pakistanis had to offer. The first assault was launched under Subedar Harnam Singh. As they advanced, they passed the frozen bodies of Lt Rajiv's patrol. At 03:30 AM on 25 June, they were detected and came under fire. The weapons of the assault element jammed in the extreme cold, leading to the assault to be called off," Brig Williams recalled.

Time was now an enemy as much as the sub-zero temperatures, the howling winds and the Pakistanis. Supplies dwindled. For over 48 hours, the men endured the cold, surviving on the small amount of rations the troops carried, the assault element was forced to suck ice to quench their thirst.

On the intervening night of June 25–26, a second attempt was made under Subedar Sansar Chand. Once again, the defenders held their ground. The altitude, the paralysingly thin, oxygen-deprived air, the cold, and the firepower combined to repel the attackers.

Three nights at over 21,000 feet, out in the open and exposed to the elements, had pushed the men to their limits. Weapons malfunctioned in the freezing darkness. The decision was then taken by Major Varinder Singh to launch the assault in broad daylight, supported by fire from 130 mm artillery guns.

Brigadier Williams added that "At 1:30 PM on 26 June 1987, Naib Subedar Bana Singh led a small assault group of five men closed in on the post and stormed the position. The small team of five men took a difficult route that required climbing a vertical wall several hundred feet tall. What followed was brutal, hand-to-hand combat in the rarefied air. In the confined space of the post, bullets gave way to bayonets and the troops who were out in the open for the last three days persevered and won through sheer determination. Six remains of Pakistani soldiers were recovered in the fierce engagement".
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An embarrassed Pakistani army, reeling from the loss of a post of immense tactical importance, sought to regain the initiative. Then commander of the SSG Brigade, Pervez Musharraf launched an audacious attempt to recapture the position, along with the neighbouring posts of Sonam and Amar at the Bilafond La complex, under Operation Qiadat. The operation was launched on September 23, 1987.

Indian troops, positioned on the dominating ridgelines, detected the Pakistani build-up and responded with Operation Vajra Shakti to counter the offensive. Repeated Pakistani assaults on the Bilafond La complex were beaten back, with heavy casualties. These operations consolidated India’s tactical advantage in the Siachen Glacier region.

"The credit for this victory goes to the junior leadership men such as 2nd/Lt Sharma of the 3/4 Gurkha Rifles, who was awarded the Vir Chakra for his role in the battle and Subedar Lekh Raj of 8 JAK LI, who fought till his very last," Brig Williams said.
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and this Brigadier Mushraff plotted another sneaky plan 12 years later got his fingers burned, and it was further burned during Operation Parakram.
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Question is whether a drone swarm can change status quo given that a DJI drone were able to fly all the way to the summit of mount Everest.

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tandav wrote: 27 Apr 2026 17:22 Question is whether a drone swarm can change status quo given that a DJI drone were able to fly all the way to the summit of mount Everest.
possibly, enemy needs to execute
1. fast attack (needs good weather as drones would struggle in windy weather to deliver payloads)
2. Good follow through after initial srtikes to take position (this is the most difficult part in my opinion)
3. Stealth: Basically having IA not able to detect movement..and relay that for prep
4. ability to hold after initial strike..IA has been creating positions in depth..while last few years have been calm 90s were hardly so...IA did build overlapping observation and firing positions
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Rakesh wrote: 14 Apr 2026 03:04 https://x.com/theamitkpaul/status/20435 ... 59600?s=20 ---> "The lull before the storm". Before the commencement of Operation and India's Siachen quest on 13 April 1984. Captain Sanjay Kulkarni - the man who unfurled the tricolour on Bilfond La (left) with his Company Commander, Major RS Sandhu at the Base Camp.
My salute and deepest gratitude to these heroes. No beefcakes here. No over the top bravado. Mission focused and will to deliver at any cost! No wonder Bakis and their fathers stew in their acids when against all odds we have prevailed!
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