Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

[Tanaji]

Lisaji,

The number of mosques in UK is far more than 2x the number of temples in UK. Since the funding is for properties this is down to that. Interestingly the mosques I see are lavish affairs, with far more resources than what temples haave (Iskon types excluded). These were funded by myriad GCC grants - so could afford security on their own….

[Lisa]

Ji, respectfully, £40 million is not twice £5 million. Even that £5 million to be shared out.

[A_Gupta]

Just FYI, this is how AI sees it

The disparity in these figures reflects a risk-based approach to government spending. Rather than distributing funds equally across all religious groups based on population size, the Home Office allocates security funding based on assessed threat levels, the nature of the security required, and the historical volume of hate crimes.

Here is a breakdown of why the numbers for Jewish and Muslim communities are significantly higher than those for other faith groups.

1. Threat Assessments and Hate Crime Statistics

The primary driver for security funding is the data provided by the police and intelligence services regarding the risk of targeted attacks.

Disproportionate Targeting: Historically, and particularly since October 2023, there has been a significant and sustained surge in recorded antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents.

Intelligence Monitoring: Organizations like the Community Security Trust (CST) and Tell MAMA provide the government with granular data on threats. When the "threat to life" or risk of terrorism is assessed as higher for specific communities, the funding is scaled to meet that specific danger.

2. Guarding vs. Equipment (Revenue vs. Capital)

One of the biggest reasons for the price gap is what the money pays for.

Jewish and Muslim Schemes: A large portion of the £28.4m and £40m grants goes toward security guards. Human personnel are an "ongoing revenue cost"—they must be paid hourly, every day. This is incredibly expensive compared to one-off costs.

Places of Worship Scheme (Other Faiths): This scheme has traditionally focused on capital grants—physical hardware like CCTV, reinforced doors, and alarms. Once a camera is installed, it doesn't require a monthly salary, which keeps the total budget for this scheme lower.

3. Institutional Density and Vulnerability

The funding is also allocated based on the number of "high-risk" targets within a community.

Scheme Primary Targets Security Intensity
Jewish Community Schools, Synagogues, Centers High (Guard-heavy due to school safety)
Muslim Community Mosques, Schools, Centers High (Increased focus on mosque perimeter security)
Other Faiths Churches, Gurdwaras, Temples Variable (Often focused on preventing theft/vandalism)
Jewish schools, in particular, have required full-time security guards for decades due to the global history of attacks on Jewish educational institutions. This adds a massive recurring cost that other faith schools generally haven't faced to the same degree.

4. The "Uplift" Logic

The text mentions a £10 million uplift for Jewish and Muslim schemes compared to a £1.5 million uplift for others. This is a reactive measure:

Following international conflicts or domestic tensions, the Home Office identifies which communities are most likely to experience "reprisal" attacks or a spike in local harassment.

The government prioritizes the "uplift" where the statistical spike in hate crimes is most acute.

Summary

In short, the funding isn't a reflection of the "value" of one faith over another, but a reflection of the cost of mitigation. Because Jewish and Muslim sites are currently assessed to require physical security personnel (guards) in addition to hardware (CCTV), their budgets are exponentially higher than schemes that primarily fund locks and alarms.

[A_Gupta]

Big picture look: the export of the Israel-Palestine conflict has been very costly to every country that accepted the import.

[m_saini]

here's what "my" AI says about this:

£40 Million for Mosques, £5 Million for Everyone Else: The Numbers the Government Hopes You Won't Compare
The UK government's announcement of £73.4 million in "protective security" funding for faith communities sounds, on the surface, like an even-handed commitment to religious safety. It is anything but.

Strip away the ministerial platitudes and look at the actual allocation: mosques and Muslim community sites receive up to £40 million — more than half the entire pot. Jewish sites receive £28.4 million. And every other faith in the country — Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, and all others — splits £5 million between them.

To put that in perspective: there are roughly 27,000 Christian churches in England alone, over 800 Hindu temples, and hundreds of Gurdwaras. All of them, collectively, are entitled to compete for the same £5 million — an amount that is one-eighth of what mosques receive. Per site, the disparity is staggering. There are approximately 1,750 mosques in the UK. That works out to roughly £22,800 per mosque. For Christian churches, if every one of them applied, it would be about £185 each. That isn't a rounding error — it's a policy choice that reveals whose safety the government considers a priority and whose it considers an afterthought.

The government frames the £1.5 million uplift for non-Muslim, non-Jewish faiths as "record" funding. This is technically true in the same way that going from almost nothing to slightly more than almost nothing is a record. The Places of Worship scheme previously sat at £3.5 million. It has now been raised to £5 million. Meanwhile, the mosque scheme alone jumped by tens of millions. The government is hoping the word "record" does enough heavy lifting that nobody checks the arithmetic.

And the arithmetic raises uncomfortable questions. The article itself states that 45% of religious hate crimes target Muslims. That means 55% target everyone else — yet "everyone else" receives less than 7% of the funding. If hate crime statistics are the basis for allocation, the numbers don't support a ratio this extreme. If it's based on threat severity, the government has provided no evidence or risk assessment to justify why a Gurdwara or Hindu temple facing threats deserves a fraction of the protection afforded to a mosque.

Sikh and Hindu communities in the UK have faced documented threats, vandalism, and targeted violence for years. Attacks on temples, communal intimidation, and hate crimes against visibly religious Sikhs are not hypothetical — they are ongoing. Yet these communities are lumped into a catch-all "other faiths" category and told to apply through a separate scheme with a fraction of the budget and an application window that "will open later this year." Mosques, by contrast, can apply on a rolling basis directly with the Home Office. Even the access to funding is unequal.
The structural message is clear: some faiths receive dedicated, named, generously funded schemes with direct government access. Others receive a shared, underfunded pool with bureaucratic delays. The government has created a two-tier system of religious protection and is presenting it as inclusivity.

None of this is to argue that mosques don't deserve protection — they plainly do. But a government that claims "religious persecution and intolerance has no place in Britain" while allocating security funding on a scale this lopsided is telling communities exactly where they sit in the hierarchy of concern.

[Vayutuvan]

State of free speech in the UK.

[A_Gupta]

Funding for guards or hardware?

[Lisa]

^^Vayutuvanji, At the beginning of this discussion, everyone was clearly told by the Speaker,

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2 ... 95D4C65A05

"Although certain criticisms may be made about the Government collectively, “Erskine May” makes it clear—in paragraph 21.24—that any accusations against individual Members about lying or misleading the House may be made only on a substantive motion; they may not be made as part of an exchange on a statement. The House rule on this is in place to ensure that Members focus on the substantive matters under discussion. If a debate is needed about matters of individual conduct, that must be drawn in the proper terms with notice. I encourage all Members to engage in respectful debate, as our constituents would expect."

ie, that the accusation of Liar would not be acceptable. She transgressed and was correctly named, ie once your name is take, you are obliged to leave the house. You cannot in Parliament call someone a Liar without explicitly proving it.

She is separately an unpleasant politician, a Mirpuri!

https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1441423860675399688

[Vayutuvan]

@Lisa ji, thanks for the correction. Her Wikipedia bio page states that her parents are British Mirpuri and from Azad Kashmir!!!

Pakistanayat is in her blood (though her parents are from India).

[bala]

King Charles delivers HISTORIC address to US Congress

King Charles III addresses Congress, touching on the WHCA Dinner shooting and the U.S.-U.K relationship.

[A_Gupta]

As an FYI. I don't understand the "Unknown" category. "Perceived targeted religion" -- people targeting Muslims confuse brown people that are Hindus or others as Muslims - hence "perceived". So those 4,478 are not all Muslims.
Official Statistics
Hate crime, England and Wales, year ending March 2025
Published 9 October 2025
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... march-2025

Numbers of religious hate crimes recorded by the police by the perceived targeted religion and per 10,000 population

Code: Select all

Buddhist       28       1
Christian     502       0
Hindu.        182       2
Jewish.     2,873     106
Muslim.     4,478      12
Sikh.         259       5
Other.        612      18
Unknown     1,075     [u]

[Rudradev]

^ I wonder if the police also resist recording *as a religious hate crime* incidents where Hindus are targeted (for their religion) by Muslims or Khalistanis.

One clear end goal of the Leicester pogrom-- other than terrorizing Hindus with impunity-- was the local Muslims setting up a permission structure for themselves to do so again in future. Labour MPs (including the reptilian Leicester MP, a woman of Jamaican ancestry) went out of their way to avoid condemning it, presenting it as a "both-sides" issue. Meanwhile the Paki-infested British mainstream media did everything possible to link the incident to "aggressive BJP-linked Hindu nationalists" living in Leicester.

The Left is very good at washing its hands of civic terrorism, sidelining it as "trouble between brown people" in order to protect the aggressors (whether Khalistanis in Canada or Muslims in the UK).

[Vayutuvan]

^ I have no idea what purpose the above kinds of outbursts serve, especially on BRF, where everyone takes themselves seriously.

[Rudradev]

Some sentences can serve no purpose to read in their entirety, but still confess an eternal truth in their first four words.

[chetak]

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State of free speech in the UK.

Vayutuvan ji,

its hardly a matter of free speech

It concerns the legitimate authority and the power to enforce the ruling of the speaker, and the civilized behaviour of the members of the house

no yelling, screaming, rushing to the well of the house whatever, no catcalling, no abuse, no throwing of papers.......


does this happen in our own glorious democracy........... that the speaker can kick out an unruly and abusive member and the rest of the house sits quietly, accepting the verdict

perhaps they need some settler colonialist southern europeans to teach them democracy onlee

we have several that we can "gift" to them on a permanent basis, just like the britshits, who, ever so thoughtfully, "gifted" us neverwho and ghundhy

and BTW, did you find a single t-shirt, chappal and pyjama wearing clown in their parliament

[S_Madhukar]

Agreed Chetakji on the Speaker but then look at him an old sprightly chap - most of our MPs look like they just had Bada Khaana at Dawat-e-Khaas ready to have a nap!

But kudos to our PM for getting a new Parliament up in no time whereas Westminster can’t manage their leaky roofs and quangos yet

[chetak]

Agreed Chetakji on the Speaker but then look at him an old sprightly chap - most of our MPs look like they just had Bada Khaana at Dawat-e-Khaas ready to have a nap!

But kudos to our PM for getting a new Parliament up in no time whereas Westminster can’t manage their leaky roofs and quangos yet

S_Madhukar ji,


churchmountain was a brandy sodden, cheroot puffing, randy old coot whose tailor was his best friend because the poor fellow struggled mightily to keep his racist and colonial customer looking presentable and this porcine mountain of lard did OK for himself

with such a fine example and barely upstanding vision of legislative masculinity to emulate, how can you expect our guys to be any better, after all, .................monkey see, monkey do........................

In India, avoirdupois is viewed rather differently, than it is in the west. It adds heft and ponderousness to a man's public presence and greatly enhances his social standing among his peers who mostly see him positioned vertically. For those foreordained to see him horizontal, one will readily concede that it is not a good look

the battle of the bulge is fought globally everyday, and quite unsuccessfully too

the odd sprightly old respectable looking senior citizen can be found pottering about, here and there, but this rare species is generally visible, mostly in state penitentiaries, and such other first-rate and grandiose examples of fine public accommodations

[Tanaji]

I am surprised no one has posted this yet:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c3ve2nr60xzt

Police declare terrorist incident after two Jewish men stabbed in north London

It started with increased vitriol against Jewish people after Israels response to the Hamas attack. Slowly but surely a well organised campaign was run that made it okay to publicly make statements calling for destruction of Israel by normalising chants like from river to sea. From calls to boycott Israeli artists, vandalising companies that sell arms to Israel or do business with them, it has come to this. They are further emboldened by the rise of Green Party popularity a lot of whose members are Islamists with covering fire by Labour.
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/green-part ... andidates/

I fear this is the start of something very nasty and Hindus are next. Sadly overseas hindus are lambs to slaughter.

[Vayutuvan]

Some sentences can serve no purpose to read in their entirety, but still confess an eternal truth in their first four words.

This is self-referential example.

[Rudradev]

To be clear, your first four words:

^ I have no idea

Are eternally true. Yet your puerile commentary continues spilling across multiple threads like pigeon droppings. Lage raho.

[Vayutuvan]

Yet no explanation what purpose that post serves is forthcoming. That is why they are called "shit posting", i.e., spamming the forum with low effort posts.

[Rudradev]

Maybe there are people who think it useful to "explain" to pigeons why it's good to use a bathroom. I'm not one of them.

[Manish_Sharma]

https://x.com/CommanMan777589/status/20 ... 10868?s=20

The Indian Holocaust- This must go viral

Hitler did not come to India - Then who put 20000 Indian Army Soldiers in Gas Chambers??

The Britishers did- 1930 British Holocaust on Indians for 10 years suspected to have killed over 20000 soldiers

This story won’t give you goosebumps.

It will leave you in silence.

History often speaks of wars, but stays silent about what happened behind closed doors.

In the 1930s and 1940s, soldiers of the British Indian Army were taken to military testing programs linked to Porton Down.

Inside controlled gas chambers in Rawalpindi, Indian Army soldiers were exposed to mustard gas.

Not in battle.

In experiments.

They were made to stand inside sealed chambers wearing minimal clothing so the effects on skin, eyes, and lungs could be studied.

What they endured was not warfare—it was observation.

Hundreds were exposed.

Many suffered severe burns. Many developed long-term respiratory and eye damage. Some were hospitalized for weeks.

Consent was not truly informed. Within the structure of colonial military authority, refusal was not realistically possible.

For years, this remained hidden from public view.

Later reporting, including by The Guardian, brought fragments of this truth into light.

This was not a battlefield.

This was controlled human experimentation done in the name of research.

And the people inside those chambers were Indian Army soldiers who had no real choice in what they were part of.

Some parts of history are not meant to give chills.

They are meant to leave you with silence.

[bala]

The biggest holocaust in the world was committed by the Britshits on the Indian continent - 200 million died in famines and wars created by them. A good many of them were you forefathers/mothers.

[Vayutuvan]

Maybe there are people who think it useful to "explain" to pigeons why it's good to use a bathroom. I'm not one of them.

Hmm. Your shtick is that American/UK Hindus are not united and you know how to do that if only all those illiterates start listening to your high falutin theories. First get some political capital and clout. We can go from there.

[Rudradev]

Maybe there are people who think it useful to "explain" to pigeons why it's good to use a bathroom. I'm not one of them.

Hmm. Your shtick is that American/UK Hindus are not united and you know how to do that if only all those illiterates start listening to your high falutin theories. First get some political capital and clout. We can go from there.

You have a track record as a liar who misrepresents the statements and positions of others. You previously accused me of siding against India/Indians on this forum during the Devyani Khobragade case. When I demanded evidence, you could not produce it.

But here you are again, ascribing things to me that I never said. So much for your credibility.

[Vayutuvan]

If someone has the India-US thread archived during the Devayani Khobragade incident, that would seal it. But most of the DB was lost IIRC. After recovery, many (most?) user IDs became user with a numerical prefix. That is not important but I want to jog the memory of BRFites as to why I am unable to find your posts at that time.

That is why I apologized to you by taking the blame on my failing memory.

If you feel I am misrepresenting you, then I will leave it to your own conscience. We say a lot of different things which are ambiguous here on BRF.

Only you know what your stand is and what solutions you are proposing to stand up to Hindu phobia in the US and in the UK.

Since I enjoy your posts a lot, I will leave it at that.

[Vayutuvan]

Other than that one particular accusation which I took back, please do provide other examples of my “track record” of lying. If I have such a track record, you should be able to produce many more examples. Please do strive to keep your credibility (or the lack of it) intact. Where I made a mistake, I left what I said as struck out text as a record for all to see.

Go ahead and have the last word (insult?!).

[Tanaji]

So turkeys voting for Christmas is not an Indian trait alone. UK has voted for Reform with 1300 and counting councillors up and down the country in the elections held yesterday. This, after every Reform led council earlier has gone into a financial tailspin after they took control.

Farage is a grifter who will soon implement Trump style policies in UK if he gets to power in 2 years or so. Already there is talk of detention camps… even citizens are not safe as for these fellows naturalised citizens are not the same as “natives”. Indian origin folks are in for a rude shock if the grifter gets power.

The only saving aspect is that UK courts are not pushovers like the US ones and will take a dim view of extreme policies. Not to mention the house of Lords…

[Manish_Sharma]

https://x.com/md_deepesh/status/2051270 ... 83748?s=20

Who is the real villain in the Iran war?
Iran, they say.
No. Israel, they argue.
No. America, they scream.

The mask changes.
The face does not.

The villain stands in plain sight.
Quiet. Untouched. Unnamed.

Not Britain the nation.
Not the Crown.
Not Parliament.

Something older.
Colder.
More precise.

The City of London.

One square mile.
Ancient power.
Untouchable jurisdiction.

Own laws.
Own police.
Own ruler.

No voter controls it.

This is where the game is written.

Oil is not just traded.
It is priced.

Brent Crude.
Benchmarked in London.

Ships don’t just sail.
They are insured.

Lloyd’s of London.

Every missile fired adds fear.
Every fear adds premium.

Around 20 percent.

That premium flows back.
To the same square mile.

War is not a failure.
War is the model.

The war need not end.
It must continue.

1865.
Lincoln builds the sovereign industry.
Assassinated.

1901.
McKinley continues it.
Assassinated.

1963.
Kennedy challenges the system.
Executive Order 11110.
Bypass the Federal Reserve.

Assassinated.

Three leaders.
One pattern.

Draw your own lines.

America became the muscle.
Not the mind.

Washington fights.
London counts.

Not coincidence.
Design.

2026.
Jets over Iran.
Hormuz at risk.
30% of global oil exposed.

Headlines scream war.

No one asks:
Who profits from permanent tension?

Not America.
It pays in blood and debt.

Not Iran.
It pays in sanctions.

Not the world.
It pays in price.

The profit flows to those
who price fear,
insure risk,
control benchmarks.

London prices the panic.
Washington funds the war.
The world pays the bill.

Perfect system.

America outsourced its industry.
Called it globalization.

Hollowed its own people.
Called it progress.

Free trade?
Nice slogan.

Extraction.
Better branding.

This war was never about religion.
Never ideology.
Never democracy.

This is about choke points.
Pricing fear.
Monetizing chaos.

The loudest army is not the villain.

The villain built the stage.
Wrote the script.
Sold you the ticket.

And stayed invisible.

You watched the show.

The director never bowed.

[S_Madhukar]

So turkeys voting for Christmas is not an Indian trait alone. UK has voted for Reform with 1300 and counting councillors up and down the country in the elections held yesterday. This, after every Reform led council earlier has gone into a financial tailspin after they took control.

Farage is a grifter who will soon implement Trump style policies in UK if he gets to power in 2 years or so. Already there is talk of detention camps… even citizens are not safe as for these fellows naturalised citizens are not the same as “natives”. Indian origin folks are in for a rude shock if the grifter gets power.

The only saving aspect is that UK courts are not pushovers like the US ones and will take a dim view of extreme policies. Not to mention the house of Lords…

Sounds like protest vote really typical after a supermajority was delivered to Labour in the last election. Reform and Green are the extreme ends in the polity and both are equally bad news for the mainstream voters. But then looking at illegal migration people know the mainstream parties are useless and work for WEF . So now locally there are 5 parties and Wales and Scotland have their TMC and Dravida parties back in power. Don’t think much will change on the ground but noise will be higher

[Manish_Sharma]

https://x.com/Trishulwarrior/status/205 ... 21711?s=20

If blood—and not water—flows through your veins, then by all means scroll past this post; otherwise, stay and read the true story of a Veerangana (revolutionary heroine) today!

Today, I am going to tell you the story of a heroine whom our history books have erased.

Her name was Bina Das.

The incident took place on February 6, 1932, during the convocation ceremony at Calcutta University. The entire hall was packed with British officials and loyalists. Stanley Jackson—the most ruthless Governor of Bengal—stood upon the dais with immense arrogance.

Suddenly, a slender, saree-clad young woman stepped forward from the crowd. No one suspected a thing; everyone assumed she was merely a meritorious student approaching to receive her degree.

But Bina Das had not come to receive a degree; she had come to prepare the funeral pyre of British rule!

The moment the Governor began to speak with a smile, Bina Das drew a revolver from the folds of her saree, and the entire hall was shaken by the reverberation of gunshots—

Five shots, fired one after another! To save his life, Governor Jackson cowered beneath a table like a frightened dog.

The British guards were paralyzed with panic. Had she wished to, Bina Das could have fled; instead, she stood tall and surrendered herself for arrest.

Then came the horrific torture inflicted upon her in prison...

In jail, she was stripped naked, forced to lie upon slabs of ice, and lashed with whips in an attempt to force her to divulge the names of her comrades. Yet, from the lips of that lioness, only one phrase ever escaped: "Vande Mataram." For nine long years, she endured hellish torment, yet she never learned to bow down.

But the true agony began *after* independence...

In 1947, the nation attained freedom. Politicians secured their seats of power, but what did Bina Das receive? Oblivion. She was forgotten. The woman who sacrificed her youth, her family, and her future for the sake of freedom was, after independence, compelled to wander the streets of Rishikesh in utter destitution.

A dark evening in 1986... A decomposing corpse was discovered lying by the roadside in Rishikesh. Clad in tattered rags, the body was a mere skeletal frame with a face etched with wrinkles. The police assumed it was the body of a beggar. For several days, the corpse lay rotting in the scorching sun, as kites and crows pecked away at it.

When, weeks later, the body was finally identified, it was revealed that this was not the corpse of a beggar, but that of the great Bina Das—the woman who had once struck terror into the hearts of the British!

Was it to witness such a fate that she had taken up the revolver? Have we become so ungrateful that we could not even provide this 'daughter' of ours with a few feet of earth for a grave, or two square meals a day?

The pages of history often reserve space for those faces that remained in the limelight; but what of those noble souls who, without a shred of self-interest, sacrificed their very all? Bina Das's struggle was not born of a desire for position or honor, but stood as a testament to her unwavering love for her country.

The truest tribute we can offer is to keep her magnificent sacrifice and her ideals alive within our hearts, and to ensure that future generations are made aware of her extraordinary valor. "Let us resolve that the name of every brave hero and heroine who sacrificed their life at the altar of freedom shall forever remain immortal, etched in the golden letters of history."

We demand recognition for our Bina Das!

Make a promise to yourself: if you are a true Indian, do not leave this page without writing 'Jai Hind' in the comments section to honor this great heroine—for this is not merely a word, but a heartfelt tribute to those martyrs..