India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[saip]

Truth hurts, absolute truth hurts absolutely.

[KL Dubey]

^^yes. some uncle toms again making noise. They have more chips on the shoulder than a family pack of Lays. Massive inferiority complex developed over decades, i think.

The article I posted says it well. Tulsiben was clearly unhappy in her job and also sidelined. The husband's unfortunate diagnosis made it so much easier to leave with dignity. Nothing wrong with that approach, except for the defensive mentality of the resident trashtalkers.

From a different angle, an American Hindu of some intelligence (pun unintended) finding out that neither the democrat nor republican party can support sanatani values. Either become an uncle tom like Ramalingam/Jindal, or become a Jayapal/Sawant.

[Jay]

...
10 ton Apache is never meant for the Himalayan mountains. The original plan was to use it in the western desert region.
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+1. All weapon systems are optimized for some roles/conditions and have performance restrictions in others. There is no 'all round super' weapon.

That's fine and understandable. But did IAF/IA ever extend this kind of assessment for desi weapons? In fact, they often stick to the incredibly stupid hot/cold trials testing regimen and fail local products based on those metrics.

[Manish_P]

+1. All weapon systems are optimized for some roles/conditions and have performance restrictions in others. There is no 'all round super' weapon.

That's fine and understandable. But did IAF/IA ever extend this kind of assessment for desi weapons? In fact, they often stick to the incredibly stupid hot/cold trials testing regimen and fail local products based on those metrics.

Jay ji, my limited point here was simply that we require all classes of weapons.

Imported vs Indigenous is a whole topic (very critical) in itself and discussed (and intensely debated) in the specific military threads - often in specific threads - like the Fighters threads, the helicopters thread, the tanks thread, ......

No doubt it needs to be a matter of strategic policy - which is why we had the Atmanirbhar effort. The specific technological and manufacturing challenges, the obstacles put by vested lobbies (both in the industry and the military), the arm-twisting by the foreign sellers, the lackadaisical attitude of the babudom etc etc are fairly well known and intensely discussed.

[uddu]

Hope this time our ministers don't overdo their enthusiasm of India-U.S relationship. The cold water poured into it by the current Trump Administration must not be brushed under the carpet. Especially the likes of Piyush Goyal must only talk about Indian perspective and Indian benifits. What U.S gains or not is none of our business and no need to talk about that to appeal good to U.S viewers. In talks and In Communications, India should be the center stage for Indian ministers.

[Vayutuvan]

Truth hurts, absolute truth hurts absolutely.

Huh? Recycling “Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Taught to IAS aafsaar in Dehradoon along with how to eat even a dosa with fork and knife among other such useful skills.

[Vayutuvan]

^^yes. some uncle toms again making noise. They have more chips on the shoulder than a family pack of Lays….

Not the flex you think it is.

[Cyrano]

Tulsi was a misfit in T2.0 from day 1. She hung on hoping to put some sense into the machine, hoping to do something from the inside but realised no one listened to her, she could never penetrate T inner circle, and this coterie made her job impossible. She was like Trishanku neither inside nor outside.

When her husband's health became a serious matter, she grabbed the opportunity to exit as cleanly as possible.

Another factor could be that she became aware of what T and his coterie are planning for the reminder of his term, and she wanted no part of it, so she exited.

Which means T atrocious behaviour will scale up further and that's not a good presage. India and Indians better watch out.

[chetak]

Hope this time our ministers don't overdo their enthusiasm of India-U.S relationship. The cold water poured into it by the current Trump Administration must not be brushed under the carpet. Especially the likes of Piyush Goyal must only talk about Indian perspective and Indian benifits. What U.S gains or not is none of our business and no need to talk about that to appeal good to U.S viewers. In talks and In Communications, India should be the center stage for Indian ministers.

uddu ji,


marco visited the missionaries of charity in kolkata and that is neither a coincidence, nor a goodwill gesture, it's a cold and calculated move, meant to intimidate the GoI.....

this outfit is controlled by the same BIF padres now embedded in TN, and the missionaries of charity are very active in beediland as well. There is already a demand that their FCRA privileges be reinstated pronto

marco is on a rambo style mission to intimidate and coerce Modi and the GoI and they are trying to wow the natives with beads and trinkets


IWT and Indo pak "trade" will surely be up for discussion

let's see how this ham handed and heavy footed trumpian emissary finds his way through India's notorious political maze

The BJP govt in bengal is not to their liking

[uddu]

Noted, Chetak ji

[Cyrano]

Rubayyo next halt is in TN I hear

[chetak]

Rubayyo next halt is in TN I hear

Cyrano ji,

every regime change aficionado visiting India makes a pilgrimage to tn and wb

remember shillary when she last visited India on a very private trip

just goes to show how long the BIF have been at it

[uddu]

Manipur: US M4, M16, AK Rifles Seized By Forces| UNLF's Imphal Plot Busted? Watch Arms Haul Video

[uddu]

https://x.com/i/status/1960186581727207791
@ARanganathan72
29,000 have died in our one house since we began in 1952. We give them a special ticket of St. Peter. It's so beautiful to see people die with so much joy. - Mother Teresa

Mother Teresa is the single-most successful emotional con-job of the 20th century. - Christopher Hitchens

https://x.com/i/status/2058109736583901212
@OpIndia_com
As Marco Rubio visits Missionaries of Charity in Kolkata, read about the dark legacy of the organisation in India and the so-called 'Mother Teresa'
https://opindia.com/2022/05/mother-tere ... vangelist/

[bala]

Marco Rubio Interview | Marco Rubio's Big Message From Delhi: 'Quad More Important Than Ever'

In an exclusive conversation with NDTV, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio spoke in detail about his high-level meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, the future of India-US relations, the Quad alliance, the Iran crisis, energy security, visas, trade, and the evolving Indo-Pacific strategy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ff-tKzVzQs


// obviously more hot air than sincerity by the US. This bakwas of oldest democracy and largest democracy needs to stop.
// the Deep State faction of the US has decided to take stuff away from China and that leaves them with no option other than India. The corporates of US have already made the leap into India, just see how much back office is being done in India and >50% GCCs are in India. The Euros have already made their leap into India. The US is trying to claw their way back but the permanent damage has been done with the Pukes being the go-between and denying op sindhoor's success of India.

[bala]

On Tulsi G's exit, one needs to understand the Deep State of the US. Previously the US had jokers like Clapper who made the institute a complete arm of the Deep State of the US. Many people in Repubs have opposed the agenda of the Deep State and are systematically being removed, including Vivek R. DJT himself is now in the clutches of the Deep State after the assasination attempts upon him. Most of the Dumbocrats are in bed with the deep state, shillary, obummer, biden the fool who cannot remember his own name and so on. People like A. Schiff etc are flag bearing members of the Deep State and they will lie cheat and even kill for their cause.

[bala]

https://x.com/i/status/1960186581727207791
@ARanganathan72
29,000 have died in our one house since we began in 1952. We give them a special ticket of St. Peter. It's so beautiful to see people die with so much joy. - Mother Teresa

Mother Teresa is the single-most successful emotional con-job of the 20th century. - Christopher Hitchens

https://x.com/i/status/2058109736583901212
@OpIndia_com
As Marco Rubio visits Missionaries of Charity in Kolkata

The sooner India de-recognizes this charlatan called mother Teresa the better. Her entire mission was a con job of taking in charity money worldwide and sending it to the Vatican. The poor people etc was just a cover and she hardly helped such people. At her death no one in Kolkatta turned up.

[bala]

India-US Spy Games & Bengal’s Bangladesh Factor - Is Exposure New Normal? - Maj Gen Rajiv Narayanan

Lt Gen Rajiv Narayanan analyses the changing nature of India-US intelligence interactions, the logic behind exposing networks publicly, and whether such moves are meant for deterrence, pressure tactics, diplomatic leverage or domestic messaging. From covert operations to public narratives, modern espionage appears to be entering a new phase where strategic leaks, naming operatives, media amplification and psychological signalling are becoming tools of statecraft.

What does this shift mean for diplomacy, trust between partners, covert operations and future geopolitical engagements?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjGa3FrmUNM


// Rajiv takes Rubio visit as another non-sensical visit by the US and the state dept ossified thinking had him go to Kolkatta, wherein new State Govt told him to take a hike. The Rubio visit to the US is charade of epic proportions and completely useless. He is supposed to meet for Quad - another silly theme with US pretending.

[sanjaykumar]

Mother Theresa was the quintessential Christian.

One needs to be unsentimental about this fact.


She was doing all that is historically condoned.

[Jay]

On Tulsi G's exit, one needs to understand the Deep State of the US. Previously the US had jokers like Clapper who made the institute a complete arm of the Deep State of the US. Many people in Repubs have opposed the agenda of the Deep State and are systematically being removed, including Vivek R. DJT himself is now in the clutches of the Deep State after the assasination attempts upon him. Most of the Dumbocrats are in bed with the deep state, shillary, obummer, biden the fool who cannot remember his own name and so on. People like A. Schiff etc are flag bearing members of the Deep State and they will lie cheat and even kill for their cause.

Yup...deep state fudged tulsi's grades with trump, and when that did not work probably influenced her husbands health which finally made her self banish from this deep-state led trump admin. Nothing to do with her not endorsing trump boys iran assessment, or the ill-timed mis adventure of pushing election conspiracies to appease trump, nor the whistle blower scandals. No, not those. /s

I am glad she made this decision to determine her own fate rather than wait and depend on transactional benevolence from trump, which eventually will leads to a disposal. One has to lose their soul to work for a ghoul and I'm glad she decided to not lose hers. Bravo!

[saip]

If the 'deep state' is real how come many people seem to know where it is and who its members are! May be we should refer to it as 'Shallow State' hearafter?

[Vayutuvan]

How did a dumb KD Harris raise USD 1+ Billion for her presidential run? Why did Biden pick KD instead of Stacey Abrams as his ruining mate? I liked his humble background. He also came across as genuine in helping the poor and downtrodden. But KD Harris was hoisted on him. By whom?

What kickbacks, HiC promise to Wall Street boyz?

What kickbacks did Obama give to Silicon Valley Vulture Cs and Sociopathic CXOs?

[Cain Marko]

At her death no one in Kolkatta turned up.

Uhh I don't know what you're smoking or reading. The streets were full and Millions attended her funeral services which the goi made a state funeral. I remember distinctly because it was very close to princess Diana's death, which too was mourned bigly in India although I don't know why.

[bala]

At her death no one in Kolkatta turned up.

Uhh I don't know what you're smoking or reading. The streets were full and Millions attended her funeral services which the goi made a state funeral. I remember distinctly because it was very close to princess Diana's death, which too was mourned bigly in India although I don't know why.

Saar, by "no one" i meant the actual poor who were supposedly helped by the missionary. The rest came since they don't have an idea and due to popular print media turned up - who cares about these people!

[uddu]

Cross posting from internal security watch thread
What is the repurcussion for the U.S for indulging in Anti-India activities. There was a time, when China wanted U.S out of Asia and it was Doval who helped the U.S to stay. It was a big mistake.

They acted as couriers to carry the message of U.S administration to their agents in India.
https://x.com/i/status/2058233908010024989
@MeghUpdates
Kolkata: Two Missionaries of Charity sisters reportedly met Former West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee on Friday, reports Republic.

A day later, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio visited the Missionaries of Charity

[uddu]

cross posting from Internal security watch thread
https://x.com/i/status/2058187128564248822
@OpIndia_com
Who is Gunisha Kaur, the Khalistani appointed as one of the 9 USCIRF Commissioners?

Here is why we should expect more anti-India hitjobs by USCIRF.

Read our for full details

[uddu]

https://x.com/i/status/2058199265378525595
@sidhant
By reciprocity, its Trump’s turn to visit India. While US readout did mention invite being extended, Indian readout neither referred the invite or its acceptance.

[Manish_Sharma]

https://x.com/i/status/2058199265378525595
@sidhant
By reciprocity, its Trump’s turn to visit India. While US readout did mention invite being extended, Indian readout neither referred the invite or its acceptance.

Kanwal Sibal saar's take:
https://x.com/KanwalSibal/status/205827 ... 59214?s=20

“I was pleased to invite Prime Minister Modi to the White House on behalf of the President.”

The formulation is odd.

Rubio does not seem to be carrying any letter from Trump Inviting Prime Minister Modi to make an official visit to the US.

It is an oral invitation to visit the White House, not the US.

The visit to the White House is not contextualised.

Normally, Modi and Trump should meet at the G7 summit in France mid-June.

That would be the occasion to announce a visit.

Modi will also be attending the G20 summit in Florida under US presidency.

The obvious implication of this vague invitation also is that Trump is not intending to visit India for a Quad summit.

In any case, a positive agenda has to be developed and several wrinkles in the relationship caused by the Trump administration have to be ironed out before any visit to the White House by Modi is envisaged.

[KL Dubey]

On Tulsi G's exit, one needs to understand the Deep State of the US. Previously the US had jokers like Clapper who made the institute a complete arm of the Deep State of the US. Many people in Repubs have opposed the agenda of the Deep State and are systematically being removed, including Vivek R. DJT himself is now in the clutches of the Deep State after the assasination attempts upon him. Most of the Dumbocrats are in bed with the deep state, shillary, obummer, biden the fool who cannot remember his own name and so on. People like A. Schiff etc are flag bearing members of the Deep State and they will lie cheat and even kill for their cause.

Wasn't there a humor thread in BRF ? The above post could be good to revive that thread.

[bala]

Wasn't there a humor thread in BRF ? The above post could be good to revive that thread.

Go right ahead and you can start with this as a first salvo:

I'm not saying Gabbard resigned due to sarkari pressure, but it is legitimate to wonder if the (important) health issue of the husband was the off-ramp to resign before being fired later.

[KL Dubey]

I already addressed it with a better explanation than the Faux News (seriously, on BRF!) link you posted. Read the thread and accept what is plain as daylight.

Abandon these unhinged "gajo vaa gardabho vaa" posts, which make no sense and raise fundamental doubts about sanity. In fact, it seems a great time to "resign" from BRF due to health reasons, following Jagdeep Dhankhar and Tulsiben's example. (adding emoji for good measure).

[uddu]

Vishnu must have asked the question on immigration in a different way. Since Indian's are the largest tech talent in the U.S is this not affect highly qualified professionals and even forcing them from leaving the United states? We in India used to worry a lot about brain drain. Are you not afraid of the reverse brain drain happening when Indian professionals leave for India?

This question not to guage the response but create a media narrative to make Indian American's think and also return back to India.
Marco Rubio Interview | Marco Rubio's Big Message From Delhi: 'Quad More Important Than Ever'

[Rudradev]

Representative Chris Smith, Republican Congressman from NJ's 4th District, has publicly demanded that Rubio must "raise concerns with India over the FCRA" as it impedes the "religious freedom" of Christian organizations.

https://swarajyamag.com/world/us-lawmak ... tervention

He has expressed this in an Op Ed in a right-leaning publication, The Washington Examiner.

For him to make a public pressure point of this issue during Rubio's visit may suggest a few possibilities:

1) The FCRA is really pinching the Soul Vultures, and the recent amendments to it promise to pinch them even harder.

2) Some other lobby is pushing Chris Smith (who is from NJ, not a Bible Belt state) to rile up Republican opposition against India during an important diplomatic visit. This could very well be the PRC, who would like to see political support for US-India relations undermined among the powerful Evangelical segment of Trump's support base in advance of the 2024 midterm elections.

[Manish_Sharma]

https://x.com/kejimao/status/2058412964630143026?s=20

The latest news keeps vindicating my points.

While the U.S. is losing ground to China in an expanding range of critical domains, it has built a much more lucrative business model.

It now turns to leverage allies' psychological inertia and geopolitical path-dependency to squeeze and extract them like "blood bags".

Keeping allies scared and dependent means cornering them into buying overpriced US weapons, US energy, and US technology. Unfortunately for countries like India, they have gone from being courted to being invoiced.

What turns out can be very absurd--the U.S. acts like a developing country that demands help from "a developed India". Instead of helping Make in India exports, America is extorting India to buy from it and to invest in it.

https://thewire.in/diplomacy/chess-piec ... -for-india

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https://x.com/SecRubio/status/2058278565003878578?s=20

Huge thanks to @USAmbIndia
Sergio Gor and our American diplomats for their efforts. Because of their great work, India has committed to purchasing $500 billion in U.S. goods over the next five years focusing on energy, technology, and agriculture. They're doing terrific work on behalf of President Trump and the American people!

[drnayar]

https://x.com/kejimao/status/2058412964630143026?s=20

The latest news keeps vindicating my points.

While the U.S. is losing ground to China in an expanding range of critical domains, it has built a much more lucrative business model.

It now turns to leverage allies' psychological inertia and geopolitical path-dependency to squeeze and extract them like "blood bags".

Keeping allies scared and dependent means cornering them into buying overpriced US weapons, US energy, and US technology. Unfortunately for countries like India, they have gone from being courted to being invoiced.

What turns out can be very absurd--the U.S. acts like a developing country that demands help from "a developed India". Instead of helping Make in India exports, America is extorting India to buy from it and to invest in it.

https://thewire.in/diplomacy/chess-piec ... -for-india

-------------------🠧
https://x.com/SecRubio/status/2058278565003878578?s=20

Huge thanks to @USAmbIndia
Sergio Gor and our American diplomats for their efforts. Because of their great work, India has committed to purchasing $500 billion in U.S. goods over the next five years focusing on energy, technology, and agriculture. They're doing terrific work on behalf of President Trump and the American people!

ah numbers .. orange man loves numbers doesnt he. Means nothing tbh.

[bala]

Abandon these unhinged "gajo vaa gardabho vaa" posts, which make no sense and raise fundamental doubts about sanity. In fact, it seems a great time to "resign" from BRF due to health reasons, following Jagdeep Dhankhar and Tulsiben's example.

Don't understand all the gobblydegook that you write. I suggest you take your own advice and "retire" to the humour thread, time better spent there than here.

[chetak]

Representative Chris Smith, Republican Congressman from NJ's 4th District, has publicly demanded that Rubio must "raise concerns with India over the FCRA" as it impedes the "religious freedom" of Christian organizations.

https://swarajyamag.com/world/us-lawmak ... tervention

He has expressed this in an Op Ed in a right-leaning publication, The Washington Examiner.

For him to make a public pressure point of this issue during Rubio's visit may suggest a few possibilities:

1) The FCRA is really pinching the Soul Vultures, and the recent amendments to it promise to pinch them even harder.

2) Some other lobby is pushing Chris Smith (who is from NJ, not a Bible Belt state) to rile up Republican opposition against India during an important diplomatic visit. This could very well be the PRC, who would like to see political support for US-India relations undermined among the powerful Evangelical segment of Trump's support base in advance of the 2024 midterm elections.

Rudradev ji,

the पिता in rome, teresa's boss - now in an amriki avatar..........(the such first elevation to hold an amriki passport before he moved to his new lodgings)

[Rudradev]

Chetak ji, that's entirely possible.

[A_Gupta]

What is Rep Chris Smith (NJ-4) connection with American evangelism?

Gemini answer:

While Representative Chris Smith (R-NJ) is himself a devout Roman Catholic rather than an evangelical, he maintains a close, long-standing relationship with the American evangelical community. His connection is built primarily on shared policy priorities, collaborative legislative efforts, and a unified focus on two core issues: **the pro-life movement** and **global religious freedom/persecuted Christians.**

## Shared Policy and Legislative Fronts

### 1. The Pro-Life Movement

Rep. Smith is one of the most prominent anti-abortion lawmakers in Congress, a central priority for American evangelicals.

* He serves as the co-chairman of the Congressional Pro-Life Caucus and has consistently partnered with evangelical organizations to advance anti-abortion legislation, such as the *No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act*.

* His campus activism in the 1970s directly intersects with major figures in evangelical political organizing; he co-founded his college pro-life group with Marty Dannenfelser, whose wife, Marjorie Dannenfelser, heads Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America—a major political engine for evangelical voters.

### 2. International Religious Freedom & Persecuted Christians

Smith has spent decades as a leading congressional advocate for global human rights and religious liberty, frequently addressing international persecution in ways that directly align with evangelical missionary and humanitarian concerns.

* **Global Advocacy:** He routinely speaks at evangelical and conservative forums regarding the persecution of Christians worldwide. For example, he has delivered keynote addresses at summits focusing on Christian persecution—such as those hosted by CPAC—highlighting the targeting of believers in nations like Nigeria and China.

* **High-Profile Historical Actions:** Smith frequently cites his early congressional work defending Pentecostal and evangelical Christians overseas. In 1982, he traveled to Moscow to support and pray with the "Siberian Seven"—a group of Soviet Pentecostal Christians who had sought refuge in the U.S. Embassy.

* **NGO Collaboration:** In his oversight and legislative roles on foreign affairs, Smith frequently utilizes data and testimonies from evangelical-aligned human rights groups, such as the Open Doors World Watch List, to push for U.S. diplomatic intervention and sanctions against countries that violate religious freedoms.

Through these specific intersections of international human rights advocacy and social conservatism, Rep. Smith has established himself as a trusted, key legislative ally for the American evangelical movement.

[Rudradev]

The above seems to validate Chetak ji's observation somewhat-- if Smith is a Roman Catholic, it would make sense that the Vatican has significant influence on him. The RCC has reasons to feel simultaneously triumphant (after engineering Vijay's victory in TN) and apprehensive (after noting the Hindutva victory in WB), so they could have made a strategic decision to take the offensive against Modi Sarkar.

There is of course a more prosaic explanation as well. Chris Smith, like all Republican legislators (and particularly in a blue-ish state like NJ) is worried about what the midterm elections will bring. So he is throwing red meat to the Christian supremacists in his support base in the hope that they'll turn out for him in larger numbers.