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Postby Laks » 28 Nov 2007 07:12

http://www.hindu.com/2007/11/28/stories ... 870100.htm
[quote]Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi on Tuesday urged the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to take immediate and appropriate action on the “sufferings and bad treatmentâ€

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Postby Laks » 28 Nov 2007 12:48

Hindustan Times Editorial:
Marginalised in Malaysia
[quote]Like people, no nation would like anything to spoil its birthday party — and Malaysia is no exception. It’s unfortunate that the unrest in the country happens at a time when it celebrates 50 years of independence. The ethnic Indian community staged its biggest anti-government protest last Sunday, thousands of protesters braving tear gas and water cannons to raise their voice against alleged racial discrimination. From all accounts, the demonstrators — mostly ethnic Tamils, the descendants of 19th-century indentured labourers from India who worked for British colonists — tried to march to the British High Commission to submit a memorandum for the British Queen. They wanted her intervention in a legal case filed by the Malaysia-based Hindu Rights Action Force against the British government, demanding $ 4 trillion in damages from Britain for what they call “150 years of exploitationâ€

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It’s apartheid, says poet who fled Malaysia

Postby SaraLax » 28 Nov 2007 16:57

It’s apartheid, says poet who fled Malaysia
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HONG KONG: As a celebrated bilingual poet, Sharanya Manivannan, 22, knows the searing power of words. Yet, as an ethnic Indian-Sri Lankan who lived in Malaysia for 17 years — and fled to India last month to escape systematic racial harassment — she finds even the most powerful words hopelessly inadequate to describe the plight of Indians there.

“What is happening [to Indians] in Malaysia,â€

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Postby Laks » 28 Nov 2007 18:40

Got via email.
Bias and facts suppression in 'The Hindu' reporting on the Indian protest in Malaysia: A media analysis
http://arvindneela.blogspot.com/2007/11 ... hindu.html

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Postby sanair » 29 Nov 2007 05:25

What more can you expect from "The Chindu" :evil:

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Postby Laks » 29 Nov 2007 09:02

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mala ... 580601.cms
Malaysia asks Karunanidhi to lay off
Malaysia told Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi on Thursday to mind his own business after the he complained about Malaysia's treatment of its ethnic Indians.

Karunanidhi had asked Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Tuesday to intervene and protect the rights of Tamils.

He made the request after the minority community's biggest anti-government protest in Malaysia at the weekend, sparked by anger over policies they say prevent ethnic Indians from getting decent jobs or a good education for their children.

"This is Malaysia, not Tamil Nadu," Malaysia's de-facto justice minister Nazri Aziz told reporters by telephone.

"This has got nothing to do with him ... lay off."

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Postby rgsrini » 29 Nov 2007 09:13

This is getting interesting...

Malaysia asks Karunanidhi to lay off
"This is Malaysia, not Tamil Nadu," Malaysia's de-facto justice minister Nazri Aziz told reporters by telephone.

"This has got nothing to do with him ... lay off."



The condescension towards india shows here...

Multi-racial Malaysia has brushed aside claims that it mistreated its ethnic Indians, saying that they were better off than those in India.

But ethnic Indians complain of a lack of educational and business opportunities, saying government affirmative-action policies that favour majority ethnic Malays had marginalised them.


These crude comments especially against an elected representative of India, are only going to drive more and more Indians to support the Malaysian Indians. Malaysia will be well advised to solve this issue by addressing the root cause of obvious racial discrimination, without resorting to show of force. This boiling over is long overdue IMO.

I wish that similar protest happen in Middle east soon, especially in Saudi. A recent report had indicated that 40% of suicides committed in Saudi are by Indians (Indian Citizens) and most of them are due to mistreatment, physical abuse and denial of payment by Saudi a.holes.

Added later:Just noticed that the same link has been posted above. I am leaving this post here for my comments.

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Postby rgsrini » 29 Nov 2007 09:45

For the first time in recent history, I believe US is actually openly supporting people of Indian origin, in a just cause.
US defends peaceful protests in Malaysia
The United States underscored on Wednesday the rights of Malaysians to hold peaceful protests, after Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi's government swiftly suppressed mass rallies and threatened to use a draconian law to detain protesters indefinitely without trial.

"We believe citizens of any country should be allowed to peacefully assemble and express their views," a US State Department official said



Rights groups, who have campaigned to have the ISA abolished, cautioned the prime minister against using such laws.

"It is a huge mistake for Prime Minister Abdullah to even consider using this unjust law to crack down on peaceful demonstrators," said T Kumar, Amnesty International's Asia-Pacific advocacy director in Washington.

"We strongly urge him not to use it." Amnesty has also called on the US authorities to check whether excessive force was used in quelling the recent demonstrations and to oppose any use of the ISA against peaceful protests, he said.

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Postby vina » 29 Nov 2007 10:09

rgsrini wrote:For the first time in recent history, I believe US is actually openly supporting people of Indian origin, in a just cause.
US defends peaceful protests in Malaysia


That is why the US is The US. They have the b*lls to back up what they believe deeply in. While the Kangress nitwits in India could not even swat that foul mouthed cow of a "trade minister" who was in Delhi and some vacuous garbage was mouthed by that other "minister" in Delhi whose only claim to fame has been to kow tow to Ayrabs and other thugs who mistreat his folks (yeah.. I mean gulf malayali muslim mullus) full time.

Spineless scum.. Atleast Karunanidhi can open his mouth and say what he thinks. Have to respect him on that.. Man Mohan Chooha (nee Singh) hides behind the purdah. Wait.. if it was anything about Soniaji or the Dynasty , the Chooha morphs in to Singh! .

Look at what the US says in response to this Badawi thug's attempt to indimidate people by saying that he will lock them up indefinitely.. US says, right to peaceful free assembly is a fundamental right.. Here Constable Chooha doesn't even whimper and Al-Hundi doesnt even bother reporting it (hidden away in the 5 th page and "editing" "inflammatory stuff" ) and writes inane editorial on "imperialism" , Karat's shenanigans presented as next best thing to sliced bread, and front page Advani's statement on 123 in huge type..

I think MM Chooha needs to get back to being a true blooded Sardarji and get some testicular fortitude .

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Postby JE Menon » 29 Nov 2007 11:28

>> wish that similar protest happen in Middle east soon, especially in Saudi. A recent report had indicated that 40% of suicides committed in Saudi are by Indians (Indian Citizens) and most of them are due to mistreatment, physical abuse and denial of payment by Saudi a.holes.

We must be careful what we wish for. There is a vast difference between Saudi Arabia and Malaysia in this regard. A lot of Indians were taken to Malaysia as bonded labour, etc., as well as for supervisory, administrative roles. They are now Malaysian citizens. In the case of Saudi, no one is forcing the Indians to go there, they are not citizens, and (barring individual cases) no one is forcing them to stay. It is an odd balance of desperation back home and disillusion in Saudi/UAE/etc. Of course there are a lot of Indians in these countries, as in Malaysia, in much higher income brackets.

No, the Malaysian situation is unique because the people are locals. There are citizens tracing their residence back by generations. Plus in the Gulf the situation is indiscriminate - everyone at that level gets screwed, so to speak. Here the love is reserved for Hindus (who happen to be Indians).

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Postby Raju » 29 Nov 2007 12:45

Compare this with the hullabaloo created over the Australian doctor Haneef and the 12 passengers on Delta flying to Mumbai.

In those instances we got the far away aussie govt in a tizzy. And even confronted that 'tallest of tall allies' under MMS dispensation .. unkil


Latest News: BJP demands expulsion of Malaysia from Commonwealth.

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Postby shyam » 29 Nov 2007 13:23

Couple of things I will suggest Indians, who travel to Malaysia, to do are:
- tip Indian workers lavishly, and
- contribute to any Indian community funds that are operational there.
These are small things we can do in individual capacity.

Make sure that all of them are done in pure cash. No credit card or check.

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Postby Inder Sharma » 29 Nov 2007 16:29

why can't our floating toys in the Indian Ocean pay a surprise visit in the mallaca Straits - ofcourse out of courtesy onleee.

or alteast INS jalashwa can do some innocuous exercises in Andamans : something like simulating an expeditionary landing.

I am sure sense shall prevail posthence.

:evil: :evil:

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Postby Amitabh » 29 Nov 2007 18:27

vina wrote:
rgsrini wrote:For the first time in recent history, I believe US is actually openly supporting people of Indian origin, in a just cause.
US defends peaceful protests in Malaysia

Spineless scum.. Atleast Karunanidhi can open his mouth and say what he thinks. Have to respect him on that.. Man Mohan Chooha (nee Singh) hides behind the purdah. Wait.. if it was anything about Soniaji or the Dynasty , the Chooha morphs in to Singh! .

Now that you are done, perhaps you might consider what the impact on the Malaysian Indian community would be of an overt Indian diplomatic intervention on their behalf. Do you think it would help them or hurt them?

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Postby Sanku » 29 Nov 2007 22:18

Amitabh wrote:Now that you are done, perhaps you might consider what the impact on the Malaysian Indian community would be of an overt Indian diplomatic intervention on their behalf. Do you think it would help them or hurt them?


Some overt intervention would actually help. Most of it can be covert; but hey lets have some all right!!

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Postby ashish raval » 29 Nov 2007 22:35




This is true. I know a few people who had been to malaysia in IT-VITY companies a decade age. They didnt payed any salary for 6 months, lived in shi** uncleaned flats. Fortunately these people managed to fled from malaysia and reported it to Police in Gujarat. Guj. Police raided all the offices which used to export people to malaysia and banned them. The ban is still in place.

Oh yes and to mention because of financial karname of those "native malaysians muslims", they are almost banned from all the financial loans transactions that big banks like HSBC, NATWEST etc used to give to these students in UK.

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Postby Muns » 29 Nov 2007 23:54

The last time during the BJP/NDA alliance, when reports of Harassment of Indian nationals was taking place among mainly the software engineers. India sent a strong warning. Warships were sent offshore of malaysia's coast and flights to malaysia were suspended. There was even talk of reviewing trade agreements. Events quickly subsided from the malaysian side with them sending a malay tamil of Indian origin to offer apologies and clear any misunderstandings.

State sponsored Destruction of Indian temples where they have existed for decades along with attacking Indian minorities and our culture is against Indian interests. We on the forum emphasise India's interest above all others and while that is so, must we continue to act indifferent with countries that target minorities of Indian origin and seek to erase our culture, saying it's not of national concern.

For me, the last episode where warships were sent offshore malaysia was a proud moment. It was the first time i saw a resurgent India that wasn't going to take crap excuses for targetting Indian citizens and was willing to protect them wherever they go and carry the blue passport.
I would hope to see some action taken for wherever Indian culture and at its core the people that uphold its values and traditions are attacked.
For me thats against India's interests and Indian nationals and any country that tries to hide behind the fascade of they are malay citizens and it's not of your concern is a sham and an excuse.

While warships may not be the order this time. Perhaps a few hints on the Indian supplies for their new Sukhoi MKM's might be in order.

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Postby krithivas » 30 Nov 2007 00:03

A good starting point will be an active boycott of Malaysian Airlines by Indians.

R. Krithivas

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Postby pradeepe » 30 Nov 2007 00:09

krithivas wrote:A good starting point will be an active boycott of Malaysian Airlines by Indians.

R. Krithivas


Malaysian is quite popular among the Indian travelers. We should make them feel the pain. First start with an awareness campaign of whats going on.

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Postby Suppiah » 30 Nov 2007 03:01

Fanatic barbarianism and animalism have been on the rise in Malaysia as I have been pointing out for years now. The Malays are nice in person but as a herd always racist and fanatic.

I wrote to GMR Airports many months ago asking them not to award any contract to Malaysian companies when they forced a Hindu lady's children to be separated from their mother and live with some unknown Muslim family elsewhere. That was not the first such case of barbarianism on an almost Australian scale.

Time for a strong email and press campaign to GMR and various other agencies awarding contracts to Malaysian companies.

BTW expecting a yellow press controlled by Stalinist mass murderers to report fair and true on this is foolish.

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Postby Suppiah » 30 Nov 2007 03:25

You have to understand also the context in which the Malays (I think we should substitute this for Malaysia in the context of current barbarianist trends) have been behaving as such

Basically they are living as third class in their own country - the economy is practically run by Chinese who can leave the economy in shambles as a burnt out shell if offended (just as it happens in Indonesia).

Using this 'Bumiputra' policy, they have posted alibabas in various Chinese companies who occupy one or two good board positions and the enjoy happy life, leaving the rest of millions of ordinary malays second class or third class, unable to get decent jobs in the very same companies. If you have done any work or sales at all in Malaysia with leading companies you will see mostly Chinese at any decision making or even middle management levels. They have a few token Malays here and there in insignificant positions to keep riots out but that's about it..

Even out of office you will see 90% of the time the Chinese living separate lives as if they are in Taiwan or HK, without bothering to speak in English/Malay and mostly eating their own food and enjoying their own culture in single-race groups. They go to Chinese shops, buy grocery from Chinese and so on. Which is not wrong but in the context of they being only 30%, it hurts Malays who feel they are passengers in their own country.

The Indians are at the lowest end of pecking order. They speak Malay (sometimes even amongst themselves) and are seen by Chinese as low class and by Malays as non-Muslim and alien. So they are like Mridangam. They dont get any decent job with any Chinese companies (other than one or two token faces here and there). If they open shops only Indians have to patronise it other than roti prata which others enjoy once a while. If they get into business it is mostly the same story. I know rare exceptions are there but they are too rare. I mean like Air Asia.

The Malay regime is caught in a jam - they cannot force the Chinese to 'open up' that too what with China becoming so big and important, nor can they stay put where they are. One incident and billions would vanish to overseas banks (already there is lot of hedging, with Chinese tycoons keeping significant portion of their wealth in China/HK) and the economy would be a shell and reputation would be in dustbin. They are trying to manage this demographically by gradually reducing Chinese to even smaller minority but even this 'strategy' is failing because Chinese are waking up - there are already incentives offered by Chinese clan associations for have more babies!

So they take all this anger and frustration out on a group that is like a lampost - no one will interfere on their behalf, not MMS not Congress or the Stalinists and any stray dog can come and lift its legs and do its act. If one Haneef can lead to so many statements and editorials in the yellow press, so many Tamils don't matter because they are Hindus.

BTW the status of Muslim Tamils is not that much different - they are Muslim but not Malay so they get no benefits! But they do have religious rights unlike Hindu Tamils who are facing threat to that aspect of their lives.

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Postby bala » 30 Nov 2007 04:48

In the early 90s I travelled by Malaysian Airline Systems and wanted to halt in Kuala Lumpur for 1 day. Did not take visa to the wretched country, when I landed in KL in the middle of the night, was made to wait for 6hrs to get clearance. The official was present but placed a board saying the counter was closed and they happily chatted and smoked throughout the night. Disgusting treatment to say the least for Indian passport holders. US passport holders were sent to another counter and immediately processed. 1 visit and 1 final visit to Malaysia for me.

Talked to a friend in US who is Malayasian Tamil and the stories he tells me about the Malays and Chinese in Malayasia makes you want to puke. Talk about institutionalized racism and 3rd rate treatment. Most of the tamils try to improve themselves by fleeing to Britain and US and usually avail themselves of the better education in such countries. Good Lawyers in Malaysia are invariably Indian Malayasian Tamils, even the Chinese prefer them. One of the richest Tamils owns the tall tower buildings in Malaysia but his wife is part of the Malay royalty clan.

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Postby Vick » 30 Nov 2007 06:00

I wonder if MMS is losing any sleep over the plight of Hindus in Malaysia and the destruction of Hindu sites?

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Postby sanair » 30 Nov 2007 07:43

krithivas wrote:A good starting point will be an active boycott of Malaysian Airlines by Indians.

R. Krithivas


How about increasing the duty on Malaysian palm oil and decreasing by the same amount on Indonesian palm oil ? :twisted:

India is one of their largest markets.

Another way to pressurize the Malaysian government, for those in the US is to write letters to the senators and get the Senate committee to hold a hearing. This in turn will have effect on the US-Malaysia free trade which I heard is in limbo because of Bhumiputra policy.

Btw, Some needs to write to Sathyam which is planning on investing huge sums of money in Malaysian multimedia corridor.

Nothing will hurt Malaysia better than economic boycott.

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Postby Neshant » 30 Nov 2007 11:30

> For me, the last episode where warships were sent offshore malaysia
> was a proud moment

Warships? You must have been reading into the news a little too deeply.

If anything warships might have been there on a good will visit, not as a threat.

The unspoken international rule is that countries should not interfear in the domestic affairs of other countries. Unfortunately this falls under domestic affairs of Malaysia so the Indian govt can say little.

Even in tiny Fiji, where the entire Indian population was being driven out by a bunch of barbarians, the Indian govt said nothing.

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Postby sanjaychoudhry » 30 Nov 2007 11:40

pradeepe wrote:
krithivas wrote:A good starting point will be an active boycott of Malaysian Airlines by Indians.

R. Krithivas


Malaysian is quite popular among the Indian travelers. We should make them feel the pain. First start with an awareness campaign of whats going on.


Can't the DMK and AIDMK issue an appeal to Indian Tamils to boycott Malaysian Airlines? It will have immediate effect as there is heavy traffic from Chennai to Malaysia.

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Postby sanjaychoudhry » 30 Nov 2007 11:43

Neshant wrote:> For me, the last episode where warships were sent offshore malaysia
> was a proud moment

Warships? You must have been reading into the news a little too deeply.

If anything warships might have been there on a good will visit, not as a threat.

The unspoken international rule is that countries should not interfear in the domestic affairs of other countries. Unfortunately this falls under domestic affairs of Malaysia so the Indian govt can say little.

Even in tiny Fiji, where the entire Indian population was being driven out by a bunch of barbarians, the Indian govt said nothing.


Waships were never sent and would have created an international incident if they were. But NDA sure did rub the nose of the Malaysian govt. on the ground and made it apologise profusely.


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Postby vina » 30 Nov 2007 13:45

sanjaychoudhry wrote:Can't the DMK and AIDMK issue an appeal to Indian Tamils to boycott Malaysian Airlines? It will have immediate effect as there is heavy traffic from Chennai to Malaysia.


Earlier the only direct alternative used to be Air Parasite (india).. I think Jet probably offers direct service now. This route again is subject to "bilaterals" and hence limited capacity.

This MAS stuff is all just a pinprick. If you really want to hit them hard, hit them in Palm Oil and also start a camapaing in the US and UK. especially among temple groups and other assorted associations and ask them to avoid anything to do with malaysia and spread the word in the west coast (LA, SF and Seattle) to avoid MAS and fly alternates like SQ, Thai instead.

Also someone mentioned about lobbying congressmen and senators and getting it into public attention.. along with Amensty, HRW etc are far better options.

Believe me. The Indian govt will not lift a finger. They are not Indian citizens. It is much better to get pressure in and organize boycotts on Malaysian goods and services in Europe, US and maybe Australia.

Sensitize companies like Dell and a lot of electronics manufacturers who use Malaysia as a manufacturing base about agitations / boycotts of their made in Malaysia stuff.

Those are far better options than hoping for any GOI stuff. GOI can help immensely if they signal unofficially that if there is blowback from Malaysia in terms of boycotts, and pressure on companies, they will not be able to help out and if there is repression on Badawi's line on ISA, that will have serious human rights consequences indeed and a firm advice to not meet genuine political demands and peaceful and rightful protests and demands with repression.

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Postby Raju » 30 Nov 2007 16:00

Malaysia has decided to open a hotline for ethnic Indians...whatever that might mean.

Malaysia to set up hot line for ethnic Indians after mass rally

The Associated PressPublished: November 29, 2007


KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia: The Malaysian government will set up a telephone complaint hot line for ethnic Indians following a massive rally by the minority group to demand equality and fair treatment in Muslim-majority Malaysia, an official said Friday.

A leader of the rally, which exposed the fragility of the country's tenuous racial unity, dismissed the hot line plan as a "political ploy."

The hot line will be connected to the Malaysian Indian Congress, or MIC, an ethnic Indian party in the ruling coalition, said a senior party official, who declined to be named, citing protocol. He said Indians will be able to call and complain about any grievances they may have.

He said Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi has also instructed MIC to set up a committee to study the Indians' grievances.

The moves are apparently to provide an outlet for the growing discontent among ethnic Indians, a largely impoverished community descended from 19th century indentured laborers from India.

Indians complain they are discriminated against in jobs, education and business because of an affirmative action policy favoring Muslim Malays, who form 60 percent of the 27-million population. Many nongovernment groups agree that Indians, who make up 8 percent of the population, have been left behind in the country's economic progress.

The Indian anger has also been fueled in recent years over the destruction by authorities of several Hindu temples, which the government says were built illegally on state land.

Abdullah's Malay-dominated government denies Indians are discriminated against in Malaysia and says they are much better off than Indians in India.

However, the bitterness among the Indian community was tapped by a new group called Hindu Rights Action Force, or Hindraf, which organized a rare protest rally on Sunday in downtown Kuala Lumpur. Law Minister Nazri Aziz said 20,000 Indian "gangsters" attended the rally. Diplomats at the scene put the number of demonstrators at 40,000.

A total of 94 people have been charged in court with taking part in an illegal gathering.

Hindraf leader P. Uthayakumar dismissed the plans to set up a committee and hot line as a "political ploy to confuse and continue misleading the Indians."

He said Hindraf wants to deal with Abdullah directly and not with the Indian party, which many Indians feel has no power to influence the Malays.


"We have had hundreds of committees like this, which never worked and will never work," he told The Associated Press. "We have also had hundreds of hot lines. But MIC has got no powers ... The prime minister is again playing racial politics by pushing the buck back to MIC."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/ ... p#end_copy

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Postby Laks » 01 Dec 2007 11:28

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071130/ind ... ndia307682
India takes up cause of diaspora in Malaysia
The government remains deeply solicitous for the welfare of people of Indian origin living abroad," Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee told parliament.

"We have friendly relations with Malaysia and we are in touch with the Malaysian authorities in the related matter."

Indian TV channels have shown graphic images of police action on the protesters and newspapers splashed comments from a Malaysian minister who asked a prominent Indian Tamil leader to "lay off" after he complained about the incident.

The issue even dominated a news conference Prime Minister Manmohan Singh addressed on Friday with Portugal Prime Minister and European Union President Jose Socrates.

"Whenever Indian citizens abroad or people of Indian origin living abroad are adversely affected, that naturally is a source of concern to us," Singh


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mala ... 586970.cms
Malaysia hits back, tells India not to interfere
Malaysia has told India not to meddle in its internal affairs after New Delhi expressed concerns over the treatment of ethnic Indians in Muslim-majority Malaysia.

Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said the government would deal with citizens according to its own laws and no other country should interfere, the Star newspaper reported on Saturday.

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Postby Laks » 01 Dec 2007 14:03

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Opi ... 586478.cms
Kuala Lampur must revise its discriminatory policy orientation, if only to effect a genuine national reconciliation. Any reluctance on that score is sure to undermine Malaysia’s considerable economic advances.

Democracy may not be an inevitable corollary of free-market capitalism, but the ever-growing chain of aspirations, which a successful free-market economy fuels, can be meaningfully fulfilled only when democracy is functional. Malaysia’s Bhumiputra national identity, given the success of capitalism in the country, has become more of a bane now than ever before. An exclusivist marker of national identity is, in any case, not in keeping with the ethos of the modern nation-state.

The vicious marginalisation of the then deputy PM Anwar Ibrahim, who has steadfastly espoused the cause of enlightened democracy and secular national identity, by former PM Mahatir Mohammed and his handpicked successor Abdullah Ahmed Badawi has only compounded the crisis.

Kuala Lampur must recognise that ethnic Indians are fighting for expanding the scope of Malaysian national identity. That their agitation has not made any overture, direct or indirect, to India shows that their politics is not chauvinist and separatist in character. The government’s failure to respond appropriately could lead to a Sri Lanka-like situation in Malaysia.

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Postby Gerard » 01 Dec 2007 22:49

Vanishing minnows
I wrote many moons ago about the growing irrelevance of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations
More than India, it is China that has helped to push ASEAN into economic irrelevance, as the country vacuumed up first the lower end of manufacturing and then increasingly absorbed value-added industries. This has left vast swathes of industry in countries like Vietnam and Malaysia completely unviable in the face of competition from the Asian giants.
In India for example, a domestic company, Tata Motors, has announced that it will introduce a car for US$2,500 [3], showing cutting-edge engineering capabilities that will leave the automobile manufacturers in Malaysia gasping for breath should tariff barriers be removed. The protected icons of Malaysian automobile manufacturing such as Proton haven't designed and developed a single doorframe on their own, let alone a whole car.
The main, some would say sole, export of these countries is people to staff the factories of India
That is because the only thing remaining for people left behind in Bangladesh (and perhaps Nepal) to do is to sit around waiting for the annual flooding of the Ganges.

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Postby derkonig » 02 Dec 2007 00:00

Gerard wrote:Vanishing minnows
I wrote many moons ago about the growing irrelevance of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations
More than India, it is China that has helped to push ASEAN into economic irrelevance, as the country vacuumed up first the lower end of manufacturing and then increasingly absorbed value-added industries. This has left vast swathes of industry in countries like Vietnam and Malaysia completely unviable in the face of competition from the Asian giants.
In India for example, a domestic company, Tata Motors, has announced that it will introduce a car for US$2,500 [3], showing cutting-edge engineering capabilities that will leave the automobile manufacturers in Malaysia gasping for breath should tariff barriers be removed. The protected icons of Malaysian automobile manufacturing such as Proton haven't designed and developed a single doorframe on their own, let alone a whole car.
The main, some would say sole, export of these countries is people to staff the factories of India
That is because the only thing remaining for people left behind in Bangladesh (and perhaps Nepal) to do is to sit around waiting for the annual flooding of the Ganges.



so much for those tiger economies. there was a time back in the 90s (before the 97-98 SE Asia economic collapse) when these tin pot little dictatorships(yes most of them were) wud thumb their noses at india( some still do-malaysia being the one right now).

serves them right.

i had the misfortune of having a malay "businessman" beside me on a flight way back in 98. then the it-vity boom was still some time away & the said businessman was almost apologetic about how we unwashed SDREs were missing out on mobiles/luxury cars/laptops & other hi-tech luxury stuff the SE Asians enjoyed. & this was their attitude back in 98 just when SE Asia went pretty much bankrupt. the cheek.

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Postby Suppiah » 02 Dec 2007 07:04

Flew MAS yesterday. Delayed my flight and almost forced me to miss a connecting flight. Luckily the handling agent was not MAS but another airline - they did a superb job forcing MAS to put me on an earlier flight to KL. Service was quite pleasant though. MAS is making hefty profits again - partly thanks to us Indians flying them in hordes in packed planes. I guess it is more patriotic to our do bit hasten the demise of AI/IA parasite looter cabal despite all other factors so I did not mind.

Local newspapers had which is state controlled more or less blacked out all updates/news on Indian protest affairs other than statement by Bad-awi and his taliban pack of ministers. There was a news report in New Straits Times that the police force of tens of thousands had only about 30 Chinese (or some such ridiculously low number) and no one wants to join despite several recruitment campaigns, because they dont want to be supervised by Malays (and reduce their standing in community)!

You can see a microcosm of the problem plaguing Malaysia right there at KLIA airport and in the plane itself - 90% of cleaners and washroom attendants at KLIA are Indian (tamil) men and women. And almost all supervisors I could see Malay. The flight into KL either had Indians goras or Chinese - practically no Malays at least by visual evidence. (There are a few that look almost chinese but that is a very very small %) Again shows you the problem Malays are facing wrt Chinese - their economy is in someone else's hand.

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Postby Suppiah » 02 Dec 2007 07:12

pandyan wrote:since malaysia is claiming that it is an internal issue on how it is treating its citizens.

BTW, even in multinational companies operating in malaysia, chicoms rule and usually promote fellow chicoms bypassing malays and ignoring indians. I heard that one large multi-national that does not tolerate these kind of preferntial non-sense has silently installed an indian as head and reviewing the promotions and raises for the past several years...


True. You let one of them in and they ensure none but their own get recruited especially in functions like Finance, Marketing, IT etc.. factory workers and low end they have no choice but to recruit. The quoted reason is 'it is easier for Chinese to work with Chinese because most staff are Chinese' - a sort of vicious cycle.

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Postby Victor » 02 Dec 2007 08:29

Laks wrote:
Malaysia has told India not to meddle in its internal affairs after New Delhi expressed concerns over the treatment of ethnic Indians in Muslim-majority Malaysia.

Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said the government would deal with citizens according to its own laws and no other country should interfere, the Star newspaper reported on Saturday.


Ex Malaysian Dy PM Anwar Ibrahim told NDTV (video is still available-sorry, no link) yesterday that some Malaysian ministers' response to India's politely worded concerns is "rude and absurd" given that they are among the first to squawk self righteously about irregularities in places like Burma and Palestine.


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