How are you so sure that Bina is a woman? Anybody can fake identity in internetRayC wrote:Bina,
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How are you so sure that Bina is a woman? Anybody can fake identity in internetRayC wrote:Bina,
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dailymail.co.uk — With little fanfare, a staggering 750,000 Chinese have settled in Africa over the past decade. More are on the way. The strategy has been carefully devised by officials in Beijing, where one expert has estimated that China will eventually need to send 300 million people to Africa to solve the problems of over-population and pollution.
Welcome backY I Patel wrote:What is the one imperative that all Chinese share, that they believe without thinking, that subliminally drives their reactions to every circumstance and contingency?
Let me clarify what I mean by an example close to home: that central imperative in modern India is internal unity. All Indians will accept without thinking that bad things happened to us and will happen to us when we were divided and fought among ourselves. India's democratically elected rulers will go to any length to protect internal unity. India's people will accept any measure, happily or unhappily, if they feel India's internal unity is at stake. This is the root sanskar that got burnt into our common psyche by centuries of foreign rule.
So what is the equivalent imperative for Chinese?
You are right.paramu wrote:How are you so sure that Bina is a woman? Anybody can fake identity in internetRayC wrote:Bina,
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well so is vina !RayC wrote: Bina is a woman's name in India, right?
Then to understand you must understand the ethonohistorical context of China and compare.Y I Patel wrote:What is the one imperative that all Chinese share, that they believe without thinking, that subliminally drives their reactions to every circumstance and contingency?
Let me clarify what I mean by an example close to home: that central imperative in modern India is internal unity. All Indians will accept without thinking that bad things happened to us and will happen to us when we were divided and fought among ourselves. India's democratically elected rulers will go to any length to protect internal unity. India's people will accept any measure, happily or unhappily, if they feel India's internal unity is at stake. This is the root sanskar that got burnt into our common psyche by centuries of foreign rule.
So what is the equivalent imperative for Chinese?
The story they tell among themselves is the humiliation of occupation by western nations and occupation by Imperial Japan.Y I Patel wrote:Thanks for the welcome, Acharya. Good to be back.
The question, in other words, is: what is the story they tell themselves? Something like: "We Chinese are xxx/did yyy that's why bad things happened to us"... What are they trying to compensate for through their intense nationalism? What special connotation does geography have for them that it does not for others? We were pretty bent out of shape when some guys climbed up on some God forsaken peaks, right?
Basically, the intent is to attribute personal qualities to a nation, just as we develop a "read" for a person that helps us understand and predict that person's actions.
SHANG YANG ("Lord Shang"; d. 338 BCE)
Official in the state of Ch'in
Emphasized a strong military and strict laws
Primary theses:
1. the law (fa) should be concerned only with obedience to authority, not
with moral issues like right/wrong or justice/injustice;
2. there are only two legitimate activities for the people:
a. economic production (esp. agriculture)
b. service to the state (esp. army service)
Rishi wrote:http://www.indiana.edu/~p374/Legalism.pdf
A primer on Legalism, i.e. kind of the Chinese Earth-e-shater?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_% ... losophy%29
SHANG YANG ("Lord Shang"; d. 338 BCE)
Official in the state of Ch'in
Emphasized a strong military and strict laws
Primary theses:
1. the law (fa) should be concerned only with obedience to authority, not
with moral issues like right/wrong or justice/injustice;
2. there are only two legitimate activities for the people:
a. economic production (esp. agriculture)
b. service to the state (esp. army service)
We need to understand how British understood the Chinese mind and used power to control all the warlords in Chinese mainland during the occupation. Why is that Indian troops - Sikh regiments were able to control large parts of the cities in China - Peking during the British control. Of course they were already behind in terms of still in monarchy.RayC wrote:I believe it was after the Eastern Zhou dynasty and the Warring Period that Legalism was strictly brought into force so as to bring the wars and strife under control and thus emerged China.
Legalism combined with Confucius' teaching brought about the mindset to obey Laws (Fa) and since it was applied to all across the board and was as per set rules and principles, it acted as a great leveller and hence appealed to the masses. Years of this practice has made it a reflexive mindset and hence one is surprised at the fierce collective reaction that one saw in anticnn.com . This was also born out of the Han pride that their culture has bequeathed to them wherein they are convinced that the Han culture is the most superior to all and that the others are 'barbarians'.
It is something like Islam, as someone has mentioned here, which the adherents believe is the last word and superior to all religions.
When such a mindset of superiority is hammered in through centuries, it does produces oddities.
Olympic Athletes Wearing Masks
Could Cause China to Lose Face
U.S. Committee Developed a Model in Secret;
Jarrod Shoemaker Ponders the Dork Factor
By CHRISTOPHER RHOADS and STEPHANIE KANG
July 21, 2008; Page A1
U.S. triathlete Jarrod Shoemaker has a decision to make at the opening ceremony of the Olympics next month in Beijing: Should he strap on a mask?
[Jarrod Shoemaker]
Chinese officials insist the notorious Beijing air will be cleaner by August, making such contraptions unnecessary. Concerned about the pollution, the U.S. Olympic Committee is distributing a high-tech mask, developed in secrecy, to its more than 600 Olympians. If athletes deploy it, they risk insulting the hosts. Then there's the geek factor.
"I probably will want to wear it," says the 26-year-old Mr. Shoemaker, who plans to have his mask on nearly all the time he's in Beijing when not competing. "Whether I will be allowed to is a different issue."
Though the practice is less common today, Chinese for years have worn masks to protect their lungs from the country's heavy dust and pollution. But foreigners wearing them during the Games this summer -- particularly at the opening ceremony broadcast to billions of television viewers around the world? That's a different matter.
Having foreigners cover their faces at the Olympics could mean a loss of face for the Chinese. "When you're walking around with a mask on, you're basically saying, 'You guys stink,' " says Scott Schnitzspahn, performance director of the U.S. triathlon team.![]()
The details of the mask, which the U.S. Olympic Committee, or USOC, spent more than two years developing, remain hush-hush. That contrasts with the USOC's usual openness, typified by its willingness to share its training complex in Colorado Springs, Colo., with teams from around the world.
'Top Secret'
"Some of our strategies and equipment are, quite honestly, 'top secret,' and we are hesitant to lay all our cards on the table for our competitors to mimic," explained Randy Wilber, the USOC's sport physiologist who oversaw the mask project, in an email.
The issue is highly charged for Chinese officials, who say recent measures, such as limiting vehicular traffic and shutting down factories, will make the Beijing air more than suitable for Olympic competition next month. Over the weekend, Beijing enjoyed unusually clear weather, as the city entered the final stretch of its crash effort to clean up the skies. (Please see related article.)
"When people come to this environment and get acclimated, they'll see they won't need" a mask, says Jeff Ruffolo, senior adviser to the Beijing Olympic Committee.
Mr. Shoemaker remains unconvinced.
The poor air quality during other triathlons in China that he has competed in made his lungs feel like someone was standing on his chest, he says. So last fall, when he arrived at a triathlon outside Beijing, he opted for a mask.
Competitors teased him, telling him he looked ridiculous. Mr. Shoemaker himself worried about offending his Chinese hosts, who insisted there was nothing wrong with the air.
"I definitely got some comments, like, 'Come on, that's a little much,' " he says.
Still, he wore the surgeon-style mask for nearly his entire four days in China before and after competing. He took it off just seconds before his event. In the end, Mr. Shoemaker had the last laugh: He finished first among the Americans, by 12 seconds, qualifying him for the U.S. Olympic team now headed for Beijing.
[Cyclists wear masks while riding in Beijing last week. Beijing authorities have insisted air quality in the Chinese capital has improved enough to meet its Olympic targets.]
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Cyclists wear masks while riding in Beijing last week. Beijing authorities have insisted air quality in the Chinese capital has improved enough to meet its Olympic targets.
"There is the uncool factor," says Mr. Schnitzspahn, the triathlon team official. "But it's not so uncool once you're on the team."
American athletes who have received the new USOC mask say they were instructed not to share details about it. Some have disclosed that it contains a carbon-filter insert and comes in different colors, including black and taupe.
The secrecy has irked some. "If we have something that will help these kids from developing bronchial problems, why not share that with the rest of the world?" says Frank Filiberto, the head doctor for the U.S. boxing team.
He saw firsthand the effects of the Beijing air on his boxers during a test event last November, he says. On a scheduled five-mile run one morning, the boxers were coughing. Five of the 11 boxers came down with bronchitis, and three required medical treatment, he says. The coaches decided to keep the boxers in their hotel for the rest of the week, where they trained in the hallways.
Many play down the need to wear masks, arguing that everyone will be coping with the same conditions. The International Olympic Committee has promised to postpone events should the pollution get too thick. Some point out that pollution fears before the 1984 Games in Los Angeles turned out to be unfounded.
"There's always somebody b- about something," says former U.S. Olympic swimmer Gary Hall Jr. "In Athens, athletes pulled out because they thought there were going to be terrorists -- they missed out."
At the moment, there is no stated policy on mask-wearing at the opening ceremony or during competition. Olympic officials believe it's up to the international federation of each sport to determine whether to allow masks during events.
The British Olympic Association has developed a mask that could actually be worn during competition, unlike the U.S. mask. Respro Ltd., a self-described maker of "urban survival equipment" in London, says it has supplied the British team with a device called the Sportsta. It is made of neoprene and features state-of-the-art valves.
'Totally Useless'
This past spring, Jacques Rogge, the president of the International Olympic Committee, took a stand on the issue -- sort of. "I recommend athletes not to wear masks because our experts say they are not efficient," Mr. Rogge said. "They can do whatever they want, but I'm telling them it's totally useless."
Matthew Reed, a member of the U.S. triathlon team, says that seeing Olympic athletes suffering from polluted air on the world stage might not be all bad: It could embarrass China into embracing stronger environmental measures. "It's just disgusting what they've done to that part of the world," says the 32-year-old Mr. Reed, who grew up in New Zealand.
At a soccer match last year in Beijing, foreign players on the sideline wore masks, prompting several Chinese fans to tell them they were insulting and unnecessary, according to an American Olympic official who witnessed the episode.
Kara Goucher, a runner on the U.S. Olympic track team who says she will likely wear a mask between events, knows what it's like to get stares. She started wearing a mask two months ago on flights to protect against catching a cold. "People ask if I'm sick and I have to be like 'No, I'm doing this to protect myself from you!' "![]()
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Tourists at the Games this summer will have to balance sensitivity to their Chinese hosts with how they feel about health and personal appearance. "It depends on how 'Michael Jackson' you want to get," says Scott Grody, chief operating officer of Fugazy International Travel/American Express, in Boca Raton, Fla.
But the big mask moment could well be the opening ceremony on Aug. 8.
Mr. Shoemaker, the triathlete who intends to wear his mask at the ceremony, says he might consider taking it off when TV cameras zoom in on the U.S. delegation.
For friends watching at home, he says, "I want to make sure they see the big smile on my face."
--Shai Oster in Beijing contributed to this article.
Write to Christopher Rhoads at christopher.rhoads@wsj.com and Stephanie Kang at stephanie.kang@wsj.com
Emotional article from a person who obviously has strong emotional ties to China. He does not want us to be afraid of China because he believes in all his personal anecdotal evidence -which is a very small statictical sample. Lacks critical thinking - more like a casual social ramble. Surprising he held such a senior position at the Washington post. The only meaningful argument he has is the demographics - age issue and even then his statistics seem somewhat high.Sanjay M wrote:Why China Won't Surpass the USA:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 255_2.html
RayC wrote:One has to understand the Chinese concept of strategy.
To the Chinese military mind and strategic thinking, politics is the soul of Chinese strategy. They look at contradictions as competitive and synthesise it balancing the international factors with the Chinese prerogatives and have a holistic approach called the Comprehensive National Power where all aspect of state power is considered i.e. the economy, culture, the military etc vis a vis other countries. It is reviewed annually.
Deception and stratagems is a close second in their strategic thinking. This is enshrined in their theory of Legalism. They believe in Practice and hence these concepts regularly are tested as with their regular needling at the McMahon Line and should be no surprise. The Chinese also places great emphasis on Prediction. They predicated on a deep analysis of all relevant elements and intentions and a complete understanding of objective conditions, not on simple analogy or inference.
It is pertinent to note that as mentioned before the Chinese divide national interest into it subheads of each aspect of national power and integrity i.e. political interest, national economic interest, national military inter¬est, national cultural interest etc Generally, national interest equates to territorial integrity, security, political sovereignty, development, stability, and dignity. Their Strategic goals involve protecting these vital interests.
Creativity that is, the soul of strategic thinking requires subjective initiative to surpass experience and tradition.
It is true that one should fall prey to fears and insecurities, but at the same time, one should not be complacent as India was pre 1962.
I wonder if Gen Malik said 16:1 is required for HAA since the thumb rule is 11:1.
At this rate one could say 22:1. I will leave it for you all to think about the ratios with the thought that in high altitude, the ledges to the objective are narrow and at times they barely can take four men abreast. Hence it becomes important to divide the enemy’s attention and firepower through multi directional attack, preferably through attack by infiltration. Passing through drills are most complicated and reserves on each axis of attack has to be maintained so ensure the momentum of attack. There has to also be a follow up group with replenishment and reorganisation stores on each axis of attack! All this adds to the numbers.
It took long to clear the enemy in Kargil because of inadequate information of the enemy, but when it was fairly known, the momentum to clear them picked up. To be frank, only one PGM was effective on the objective as far as I can recall. IAF hardly pounded day and night. It is not to say that the IAF did not do their job, it was just that they were new to HAA.
It would be wrong to compare 1962 to modern times. HAA Warfare is totally a different kettle of fish to plains or even mountain warfare. Tactics, logistics, equipment, effects of High Altitude on men and fighting etc are totally different. Therefore to blame the General of 1962 wholesale would not be fair and is quite uncalled for. In fact, the blame heaped on them was just to find scapegoats and save ‘face’. Indeed, there were blunders, but then they were not trained or experienced in High Altitude Warfare. If High Altitude Warfare was the same as plains warfare, then there would have been no HAWS High Altitude Warfare School nor would foreign and modern armies of the First World come to train in India or participate in HAA Warfare exercises!
To understand 1962, one has to understand Chinese strategic thought. It is not similar to Indian or western thoughts. To feel that we were defeated by light, nimble, small groups that infiltrated is simplistically put. This, in itself, indicates that the Generals of IA were not conversant with HAA Warfare where Attack by Infiltration in its various avatars is more the rule than exception. It also proves that the IA was not trained for the same and the IA was facing acclimatised, war veterans of the Korean War Chinese soldiers who had faced a modern army!
The reading of the Kargil War is faulted.
The very fact that Musharraf, without a thought on logistic, embarked on this adventure, is what made him slink back. His people ran out of ammunition, rations and medical support. To suggest such a mode is totally unmilitary like.
Let this ‘teach a lesson’ theory of the Chinese not overawe us! Every war for the Chinese is to ‘teach a lesson’. Even the Vietnam aggression was on the same theory. I would not take up any more space on Chinese Military mindset, but their concept of Legalism should be read in this context or that of Confucius’ ‘Wang Dao’.
The Chinese withdrew, as they did in Vietnam, not because of any morality; they withdrew because their logistics could not sustain them and without artillery (since the trails would not permit artillery moving up) they were sitting ducks themselves should the adversary taken heart, regrouped and attacked with fresh troops! Let us not get enamoured by their pious platitudes and propaganda. It is a part of their strategic military thinking.
I am not aware as to how mortars can take on the artillery!
It is time to understand the Chinese mind and not get mystified and giving them the aura of being something unfathomable and superior!
As Sun Tsu said in his Art of War – Know your enemy!!
RayC Saab,RayC wrote:One has to understand the Chinese concept of strategy.
It is time to understand the Chinese mind and not get mystified and giving them the aura of being something unfathomable and superior!
As Sun Tsu said in his Art of War – Know your enemy!!
Rishirishi wrote:
Before people here starts to blast, me, let me give an account of why I think India is going to surpass China.
1 Demographics
The Chinease population is ageing fast. The 1 child policy will start to impact the economy within 5-10 years time. The working poulation will shrink and the older population will increase. Expect dramatic fall in savings rate. Savings rate are very important, because they have been financing the recless spending by the government and the bank loans.
2 Industry
India has few and less export, but the export and economic output produce profit. The companies are held by private players. This ensures that the companies merge, are sold or shut down, according to the economic conditions. Indian compaines are far more innovative, and better managed. They know that copying products can be Ok, but it is far better and more profitable to be innovative. Indian outward investment is actually simmilar to the invard investment. Indian companies purchase small western comanies to get acess to key technology and market acess. Indian compenis are able to interact and learn from the western world, because of English.
Now contrast this to China. Most large Chinease companies are government owned (or owned by a cooperative). We know all too well, that such enterprises rarely are competative.
Chinease recieve a huge ammount of forigin investments. But almost all of the investment comes in to take advantage of the low labour costs. Very few Chinease comanies focus on adding value or selling a service. An Indian programmer may be charging up to 10-20 dollars per hour. The same as 20 manual workers earn. Incomes in India are rising far faster, then China. This proves that the Indian comepnies are more productive.
Chinease companies rerely make acusitions abroad. Whe on).n they do, it is usually large ticket items such as oil fields or IBM's troubled PC division (which lenovo bought and lost moeny). Just imagine. China is the worlds largest manufacturar, but they hardly have a single well known brand.
Fact of the matter is that Indian companies are learning very fast and incresingly compeeting in high tech and high value industry. Chinease companies are focussed on Copy, copy and copy.
3 Finance.
India has a developed finance system, where companies can borrow, issue shares, merge, or sell business units.
China does not really have a defined finance system. The banks have massive debts, because they do not have colaterol. Chinease have not got any right to own land, hence they have problems with raising debt.
To be continued.
wrdos wrote:Dear Rishirishi
So far as I know, you have been posting around your prediction that India will surpass China one day for quite a long period.
But as a serious author, don't you think it is necessary to give some sound date for your prediction? We know India will surpass China, eg by GDP or by the population, but the question is when?
It will be 10yrs, or 20yrs, or 50yrs, or 100 yrs from 2008?
You know, there is another well respected member of this forum. He predicted that China would collapse within 5 years back to 2001. The last time i found his post was in 2007. He was still declaring China would collapse within 5 years.![]()
You are supposed to be a more serious author on this website, right?
Rishirishi wrote:
Before people here starts to blast, me, let me give an account of why I think India is going to surpass China.
1 Demographics
The Chinease population is ageing fast. The 1 child policy will start to impact the economy within 5-10 years time. The working poulation will shrink and the older population will increase. Expect dramatic fall in savings rate. Savings rate are very important, because they have been financing the recless spending by the government and the bank loans.
2 Industry
India has few and less export, but the export and economic output produce profit. The companies are held by private players. This ensures that the companies merge, are sold or shut down, according to the economic conditions. Indian compaines are far more innovative, and better managed. They know that copying products can be Ok, but it is far better and more profitable to be innovative. Indian outward investment is actually simmilar to the invard investment. Indian companies purchase small western comanies to get acess to key technology and market acess. Indian compenis are able to interact and learn from the western world, because of English.
Now contrast this to China. Most large Chinease companies are government owned (or owned by a cooperative). We know all too well, that such enterprises rarely are competative.
Chinease recieve a huge ammount of forigin investments. But almost all of the investment comes in to take advantage of the low labour costs. Very few Chinease comanies focus on adding value or selling a service. An Indian programmer may be charging up to 10-20 dollars per hour. The same as 20 manual workers earn. Incomes in India are rising far faster, then China. This proves that the Indian comepnies are more productive.
Chinease companies rerely make acusitions abroad. Whe on).n they do, it is usually large ticket items such as oil fields or IBM's troubled PC division (which lenovo bought and lost moeny). Just imagine. China is the worlds largest manufacturar, but they hardly have a single well known brand.
Fact of the matter is that Indian companies are learning very fast and incresingly compeeting in high tech and high value industry. Chinease companies are focussed on Copy, copy and copy.
3 Finance.
India has a developed finance system, where companies can borrow, issue shares, merge, or sell business units.
China does not really have a defined finance system. The banks have massive debts, because they do not have colaterol. Chinease have not got any right to own land, hence they have problems with raising debt.
To be continued.
Dear RishirishiRishirishi wrote:I base my prediction on what I observe. I am not an oracle, who has the right answers. If you do not agree with me, you are welcome to counter my arguments.wrdos wrote:Dear Rishirishi
So far as I know, you have been posting around your prediction that India will surpass China one day for quite a long period.
But as a serious author, don't you think it is necessary to give some sound date for your prediction? We know India will surpass China, eg by GDP or by the population, but the question is when?
It will be 10yrs, or 20yrs, or 50yrs, or 100 yrs from 2008?
You know, there is another well respected member of this forum. He predicted that China would collapse within 5 years back to 2001. The last time i found his post was in 2007. He was still declaring China would collapse within 5 years.![]()
You are supposed to be a more serious author on this website, right?
Also, I have noticed that you have been arround for quite a while. You must have noticed my admiration the Parties ability to get things done, and the magnificant infrastructure that has been built in the main Chinease cities.
But I have never heard a word from you giving any critical account of the Chinease Governmnet. Perhaps you are one of the people who thinks the government never does anything wrong. What are your views on Falung Gong? Who is paying your salary??
Aha Wrdos,wrdos wrote:Dear Rishirishi
I agree your prediction India will surpass China ONE DAY but I simply want to know when your prediction will come to true. You have writen tons of lengthy posts but still you gave me no prediction. or even a wild guess, of when India will surpass or beat down China.![]()
I am a Christian in fact. I believe and the whole Bibile is telling us that Jesus will come ONE DAY to save us from the sin. But we also believe, anybody who gives a prediction, or even a wild guess, of the date when Jesus will come back, is simply an infidel.
So if it is OK for me to understand that the belief, "India beat down/surpass China ONE DAY in future", is also a religion to you. And you will never act as an infidel?
[/quote]Rishirishi wrote: Before people here starts to blast, me, let me give an account of why I think India is going to surpass China.
1 Demographics
To be continued.
since our knowledge of chinese names is limited and wrdos doesn't sound like any other word we know of, the benefit of the doubt has to be given to the poster.KV Rao wrote:admins, is wrdos considered a human-sounding name?
A man who posted pictures on the Internet of schools that collapsed in May's massive earthquake in southwest China has been sent to a labor camp for a year, a human-rights group said, as Chinese authorities move to stifle allegations that shoddy construction exacerbated the disaster's death toll.
The man, a local school employee named Liu Shaokun, was detained in late June for allegedly "seriously disturbing social order" and disrupting post-quake reconstruction efforts, according to a report in a local government-run newspaper.
Human Rights in China, a New York-based advocacy group, said Mr. Liu's wife was told last week that he must undergo a year of "re-education through labor." Chinese authorities can detain people for such "re-education" for as long as four years without formal charges or a trial.
China's government has ratcheted up efforts to silence parents calling for investigations into the collapse of schools during the 7.9-magnitude temblor on May 12. Thousands of students were among the nearly 70,000 people confirmed dead in the disaster. More than 18,000 others remain missing, according to the government. Many parents say poor construction and government negligence were major contributors to the failure of schools to withstand the quake.
Polishing up Beijing for the Olympics has extended to the city government telling residents what not to wear, advising against too many colors, white socks with black shoes, and parading in pajamas.
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The advice, on top of campaigns to cut out public spitting and promote orderly lining up, was handed out in booklets to 4 million households ahead of the Olympics, an official said Thursday.
The etiquette book giving advice on everything from shaking hands to how to stand is part of a slew of admonitions on manners, said Zheng Mojie, deputy director of the Office of Capital Spiritual Civilization Construction Commission.
"The level of civility of the whole city has improved and a sound cultural and social environment has been assured for the success of the Beijing Olympic Games," she said.
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makes you wonder why they have not blocked BR in China? edited.BEIJING - An Olympic official said Thursday he felt like the "fall guy" after promising reporters at the games they would have uncensored Internet access, only to find that the Chinese had blocked certain Web sites.
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Kevan Gosper, the press commission head of the International Olympic Committee, also said he suspects the IOC leadership probably knew about the change.
Gosper said he was startled to find out earlier this week that Web sites for Amnesty International or others dealing with Tibet, the 1989 protests at Tiananmen Square or the spiritual group Falun Gong would be blocked to reporters at the Olympics Main Press Center in Beijing.
China's communist government routinely filters its citizens' access to the Internet. But for months Gosper, IOC President Jacques Rogge and others have publicly said Beijing agreed to unblock the Web during the games, and they touted the shift as a sign of the Olympics' liberalizing effect on China.
"I have to accept that I appear to be the fall guy and may be the fall guy," Gosper said in an interview with AP Television News.
"I suspect an agreement has been reached, or an understanding has been reached," Gosper said. "It may well have been done by the executive board, done in another place by very senior people in the IOC. It may have taken into consideration new circumstances in this year leading up to the games where there has been quite a lot of trauma around China, and within China."
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