Blasts in Ahmedabad

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 17:09

Actually I think it is even more clear from the blast that it is MOST definitely the work of cells based in Machilipattanam.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 27 Jul 2008 17:31

Ashish Raval,

whats the point of spending crores of rupees, having central agency and all that good sounding stuff when you have people like Shivraj Patil as home minister ?

Yeh..true though i think we need much more young blood in politics. The politicos in our country have dead consciousness really pathetic. They loose sleep over a IM getting jailed in Australia whose brother indeed carried out dastardly act in UK, while he is sleeping tight in his bed when his fellow country mens die.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 27 Jul 2008 17:40

Look Ma, no gloves.
The bomb disposal expert or his supervisor are probably unaware that fingerprints on the bomb could be vital in tracking down the bomb makers. Or is it the cost of a pair of rubber gloves?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Jul 2008 17:49

mailed the pic to vishnu. let's see if he (or them) does anything.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 18:15

Let's not be so much in a hurry here. These are incredibly brave heroes, and probably they need to do very delicate work, which cannot be done without bare fingers. It's a choice between using bare hands, or having no hands or head or anything else if he touches the wrong thing. He's only holding the edges...

That picture needs to be archived for use in articles. It's right up there alongside the pictures of the troops marching towards Dras and the nightime cliff-climbing at 18000 feet to rush towards machine-gun nests.

By the way, it looks like there is huge market for bomb-disposal robots, developing in India. What a horrible thing to think!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Jul 2008 18:33

narayanan, the red thing in his hand is the remnant of the ball bearing packet(sic), clearly after the bomb has exploded. of course I could be wrong but it doesn't look like there is any explosive
in that parcel, so no threat of explosion.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 27 Jul 2008 18:35

The terror email which came just 4 minutes before ahmedabad blasts has been traced to an American-Indian. English media channels like CNN-IBN have censored his identity, as expected.

Neighbours say, they have seen european kids playing in the garden below regularly.

So called truth-seeker CNN-IBN has turned news to sports events.

Interesting thing is, if this guy were some normal Abdul, he would be grabbed by neck by now and dragged into police van in front of media. But, police team has not allowed media teams even in vicinity of the building where this raid is being gone.

In past, there was a report on Zee-news of american special-mission oritented fast reaction time pistols being recovered from Paki terrorists in J&K. But, that news report disappeared within 1 hour and wasn't repeated again on that day.

Nice cover-up of american connections(CIA) in terror blasts.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 18:36

If there is no threat of explosion, why is he wearing a helmet and face shield and heavy clothing in July? Incognito? Also, how does a plastic-wrapped packet of ball-bearings set in contact with the explosive, survive the explosion so intact, please?

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 18:43

The terror email which came just 4 minutes before ahmedabad blast has been traced

Oh! So the terrorist was not smart enough to use a stolen identity, when the 1,700,000 emails I get every day from Pakis and Chinese advertising V1 Agra etc are smart enough to do so? In fact several of the emails I get have been "traced" to myself, since I see my email address under "sender".

India desperately needs Intelligence. Both in law enforcement and media. It's really a no-brainer that "American-Indians" staying in India would use email addresses that are traceable, and that terrorists who send emails from, say, internet Cafes would use stolen identities with "American-Indian" sounding IDs.

And we have postors on BRF ready to celebrate that at last, Americans have been fingered as the culprits.

(ramanaji, yes, the "smileys" mean what they look like they mean, thx. )

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 27 Jul 2008 18:46

narayanan wrote: And we have postors on BRF ready to celebrate that at last, Americans have been fingered as the culprits.

(ramanaji, yes, the "smileys" mean what they look like they mean, thx. )

Sorry if I offended your feelings. I will keep american-indians out now from terror angle. They are angels.

Peace.

Though, I don't think closing our eyes will change the reality.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 18:48

[url=ttp://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline ... p=y&BV_ID=@@@]Correction: Neither the police nor the media are at fault here. They are correct and professional.[/url] Comments about the BRF postor's mindset and IQ stand.

Sunday,27 July 2008 12:24 hrs IST
E-mail: raid at a Navi Mumbai residence

Mumbai: Ahead of blasts in Ahmedabad, a raid was conducted at a residence in Navi Mumbai's Sanpada area following an allegedly threatening e-mail sent from a computer there.

"We are investigating whether the e-mail was sent from the residence. Presently, personal verifications of the person living there are being carried out and it would be too premature to comment on it," a senior official from the Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) said.

Around 16 co-ordinated serial blasts rocked the city of Ahmedabad yesterday killing 20 people and injuring 100. The synchronised low intensity blasts took place a day after similar explosions rocked Bangalore.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 18:52

I will keep american-indians out now from terror angle. They are angels.

Q.E.D. I wasn't wrong about the attitude or intelligence at all, obviously.

And I am not an American, though to people with your mentality, anyone who has crossed the seas must probably be "brahsht" and thus subjects of contempt. I don't get my feelings hurt as long as I need not worry about any intelligence having gone into the statements made, thank you.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Jul 2008 18:53

narayanan wrote:If there is no threat of explosion, why is he wearing a helmet and face shield and heavy clothing in July? Incognito? Also, how does a plastic-wrapped packet of ball-bearings set in contact with the explosive, survive the explosion so intact, please?

could be any number of reasons, elementary precautions, possibility of live bombs still being around etc. how it survived ? I don't know, you have to ask a ballistics expert. but I have seen similar bomb remnants from relatively high explosions on channels like discovery and ng.
some news channel was showing a ball bearing packet used (as in exploded) in the blasts which looked very similar to this one. it may even be this one, but I could be wrong, you know.

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 27 Jul 2008 18:55

US national's claims about terror email being probed
27 Jul, 2008, 1357 hrs IST, IANS

MUMBAI: A team of the Mumbai Anti Terrorist Squad (ATS) Sunday went to Navi Mumbai to probe claims by an American national living there that his email id had been hacked by unknown people to send an email in the name of 'Indian Mujahideen' warning of bombings minutes before the Ahmedabad serial blasts.

An ATS team rushed to Sanpada suburb in Navi Mumbai, adjacent to Mumbai, where the US national, identified as 48-year-old Callis Q, lives. {In some reports I heard name Hayward}

An official of Navi Mumbai police told IANS Sunday morning that the American national was a tenant in one of the flats in the posh Gunina Apartments for the past six months.

After the email from the Indian Mujahideen was received by intelligence agencies and some media offices, its IP address was traced to a computer in a flat belonging to one Abhishek Sharma in Navi Mumbai.

Police personnel have been deployed in Gunina Apartments.

Meanwhile, the Maharashtra police and home department officials went into an emergency meeting to discuss the security situation in the state in the wake of the Ahmedabad terror attacks, an official said here.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 27 Jul 2008 18:57

narayanan wrote:[url=ttp://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline ... p=y&BV_ID=@@@]Correction: Neither the police nor the media are at fault here. They are correct and professional.[/url] Comments about the BRF postor's mindset and IQ stand.

Sunday,27 July 2008 12:24 hrs IST
E-mail: raid at a Navi Mumbai residence

Mumbai: Ahead of blasts in Ahmedabad, a raid was conducted at a residence in Navi Mumbai's Sanpada area following an allegedly threatening e-mail sent from a computer there.

"We are investigating whether the e-mail was sent from the residence. Presently, personal verifications of the person living there are being carried out and it would be too premature to comment on it," a senior official from the Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) said.

Around 16 co-ordinated serial blasts rocked the city of Ahmedabad yesterday killing 20 people and injuring 100. The synchronised low intensity blasts took place a day after similar explosions rocked Bangalore.

There is no point in attacking fellow BRF posters for nailing american hand in terror blasts.

If there is something out there then it will be nailed from every angle. We should probe every angle connected to blasts. Just blaming pak with closed eyes, will be like we are missing out on bigger players involved in the game.

I don't see a reason of you being uncomfortable with this approach. Do you have any solid reasons to believe americans can't fund terror or haven't done so?

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 19:02

Rahul, the newspaper is not charrred, nor is the plastic-wrapped parcel. Maybe the right conclusion is that you are completely wrong in your assertion that these are parts of EXPLODED bombs?

The purpose of ball bearings is for them to spread out in a hail of missiles. The laws of physics imply that if they didn't get enough momentum to rip their own plastic-and-tape container to microns, they can't have gained much momentum at all. Also, one feature of an explosion is that it is exo-thermal, as in, lots of heat released, very high temperatures reached. Tape and plastic melt at around 130 deg. C., and char at around 200 C. So if these were from a "bomb" that EXPLODED, it may have had to be a water balloon.

But I'll take your advice and go ask him why he's wearing a bomb-disposal uniform in the middle of July just to hold up a newspaper (which also magically survived without even coming unfolded), and I'll ask a "ballistics expert" how a plastic-wrap of ball-bearings survives an explosion (that occurred within millimeters) intact, but the ball-bearings inside it killed numerous people. That is indeed Pakistan-quality Djinn magic. Maybe the newspaper is in Arabic, so it could not have been touched by fire. Thanks for the kind advice!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Jul 2008 19:04

in more well equipped phoren countries dont they bring a van with a armoured water tank,
use a robot to grab and drop the package in the water and take it away for analysis?

or the robot arm has a shotgun that is fired to distintegrate the device?

guy in heavy suit stands safely away from robot to control it with a wire?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Jul 2008 19:07

ok, I see your point.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Jul 2008 19:08

Surat on high alert: bomb defused and a car laden with explosives seized

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 19:09

Singha, but consider the logistics of having enough of these things on call to reach a suspected bomb site inside whatever few seconds are left!

Robot bomb-disposers may become as essential as inverters and generators in Indian cities. Using humans for this task is simply too horrendous.

kshirin · Post by **kshirin** » 27 Jul 2008 19:11

Dont want to act as scare mongerer but just heard the internal security situation which is already poor according to source is going to get much worse with Delhi and Hyderabad as the next targets. It seems people are determined to get Hindu and Muslim to fight and ruin the peace and stability of our country. Any more such incidents and this will become a reality. Extremely depressing scenario and depressed over these events. Why cant Parliament focus on concrete measures to fight terror instead of wasting so much energy on fighting N deal?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Jul 2008 19:13

this french army disposal guy in afghanistan (has got enough practice God knows)
seems to be barehanded too.

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategori ... 618l_3.jpg

so I guess for disposal work, the kind of gloves that would protect the fingers
are currently too heavy to permit fine grained work. and thin gloves are no protection.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 19:16

The Surat discovery indicates further to me that someone is out to create communal riots. Note that the bombs that actually went off were (relatively) minor. Now the best way to provoke riots is to have a few "unexploded bombs" discovered, CLEARLY POINTING to certain sources. Explosive is cheap and the commies and pakis all have tons of it available.

What are people to think? I mean, the UNEXPLORED BOMB with the clear evidence, shows the absolutely genocidal nature of certain sections of society, hey? People are now going to rationalize: Why wait any more to kick them all out, dead or alive, etc?

This may be exactly what the real killers want happening. Amplify the few dozen deaths of innocents that they perpetrated, into several thousand deaths of innocents and the destruction of society and the nation.

It MAY be real evidence, or it may be a bloody cynical frameup. Hope there is clear-headed investigation, because now it is absolutely urgent to find the REAL killers and eliminate them. Good thing the Army is already out in Gujarat this time - Shri Modi's government deserves full credit for learning hard lessons from 2002 and responding so fast.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 27 Jul 2008 19:17

Human bomb-disposal approach suits Indian situation and needs. Quick and effective.

Comparing every single thing and process in the country with superpower country and saying, "we should do it like they do! Because, how they do IS the ONLY right way to do it!" is not palpable.

There is no single way of doing stuff correctly. We do it in the way we find it effective for our situation.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Jul 2008 19:18

News updates:

conspiracy theories:
- Are the blasts due to nuke-deal?? an effort to establish that the deal is anti-muslim...
infering: it is ok for certain sections of the society to respond with coordinated bomb blasts against a policy decision

- Why only BJP ruled states?
infering: handiwork of facist forces to incite communal violence against minorities... espcially since they lost the confidence vote...

Rays of hope:
1. No communal violence after bomb blasts - So the death and destruction is limited to the terrorist activity. And the civil amd military forces can focus on investigation and catching the culprits of the bomb blasts... and the real motive behind the bomb blasts is defeated.

2. Modi assures speedy action against the culprits - Focus and FOCUS on the issue... nearly 30 suspects were arrested in Gujarat... lets hope some truth comes out of this investigation...

3. Tracking the e-mail to mumbai - that means the law enforcement is quick in its reaction...

prashanth · Post by **prashanth** » 27 Jul 2008 19:21

narayanan wrote:Singha, but consider the logistics of having enough of these things on call to reach a suspected bomb site inside whatever few seconds are left!

Robot bomb-disposers may become as essential as inverters and generators in Indian cities. Using humans for this task is simply too horrendous.

One question. If they can use a robot with a shotgun, why cant the bomb disposal personnel themselves fire at the device from a safe distance after cordoning off the area?Surely, with necessary protection and long range guns they can do this.
Alternately, what effects do water cannons have on these bombs?

archan · Post by **archan** » 27 Jul 2008 19:25

vishwakarmaa wrote:Human bomb-disposal approach suits Indian situation and needs. Quick and effective.

Comparing every single thing and process in the country with superpower country and saying, "we should do it like they do! Because, how they do IS the ONLY right way to do it!" is not palpable.

There is no single way of doing stuff correctly. We do it in the way we find it effective for our situation.

Dude, wanting safety of INDIANS who are risking their lives trying to save lives of fellow INDIANS is not about inferiority complex. And it is a fact that the west is way ahead in science and research. There is no need to re-invent the wheel when one can learn from the knowledge and experience of others.

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 27 Jul 2008 19:31

Wow. N has me convinced for sure.

I recall impassioned discussions in the Nepal thread where some were arguing that the Maoists are really India plants (or good for India at least) because (i) they kicked out the NC and the monarchy wich was anti-India, and (ii) Prachanda met with Yechori in Delhi. What does that show, etc. Scary. Bloody scary...

archan · Post by **archan** » 27 Jul 2008 19:32

RamaY wrote:News updates:

Rays of hope:
1. No communal violence after bomb blasts - So the death and destruction is limited to the terrorist activity. And the civil amd military forces can focus on investigation and catching the culprits of the bomb blasts... and the real motive behind the bomb blasts is defeated.

I am afraid that a couple more such events and communal violence may start. It is like a dam, once it breaks, hell will break loose. I hope it does not happen but knowing our people, one cannot be but concerned.

2. Modi assures speedy action against the culprits - Focus and FOCUS on the issue... nearly 30 suspects were arrested in Gujarat... lets hope some truth comes out of this investigation...

My guess - all or most of the suspects are Muslims. Sooner or later there will be a communal angle added to it - as in "we are being targeted. Our innocent boys have been taken into custody. We have to fight."

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 27 Jul 2008 19:39

Raju wrote:
US national's claims about terror email being probed
27 Jul, 2008, 1357 hrs IST, IANS

MUMBAI: A team of the Mumbai Anti Terrorist Squad (ATS) Sunday went to Navi Mumbai to probe claims by an American national living there that his email id had been hacked by unknown people to send an email in the name of 'Indian Mujahideen' warning of bombings minutes before the Ahmedabad serial blasts.

An ATS team rushed to Sanpada suburb in Navi Mumbai, adjacent to Mumbai, where the US national, identified as 48-year-old Callis Q, lives. {In some reports I heard name Hayward}

"A US national invites Indian police to his flat asking them to investigate hacking of his email account."

Quite Interesting.

Some points to note -
1. Since he is a US national, why he preferred informing Bombay police over his own agency FBI?
2. Average american wouldn't care coming out and aiding a 2nd country police in their own terror problems and that too when he is an american.
3. Average american wouldn't invite a mess knowing Indian police well.
4. Average american don't care about whats happening in world beyond his nose. And definately not, if its about terrorism concerning a 2nd country. Shabby record of americans is well known in Dawood case.

This looks like an attempt to check cyber-investigation capabilities of Bombay police(whose cyber cell is known for their expertise).

I am sure this email ID is being tracked nicely and now they will monitor and get to know the cyber-investigation mechanism of mumbai police.

Routine as usual for unkill agencies.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Jul 2008 19:44

RamaY wrote: Rays of hope:
1. No communal violence after bomb blasts - So the death and destruction is limited to the terrorist activity. And the civil amd military forces can focus on investigation and catching the culprits of the bomb blasts... and the real motive behind the bomb blasts is defeated.

Please refer to the previous communal riots history. Except in few occasions, the riots did not start instantaneously. In 1993 Mumbai blasts, the riots started after 20 to 30 days. Few streets in Jogheswari, Vikroli were wiped out.

When the local population feel that they have to do something (a feeling that there is no one to help them) and if the serial blasts doesn't stop then the riots may start. It is really important that Surat thing did not happen. If these blasts happen again in the same area or in the same state with in a span of a month then people will start taking things into thier hands.

Instantaneous riots are always controlled however if they start after a week or so then the government will not be able to control as the local exhausted police will join the rioters to teach a lesson. That is the problem. Prevention is better than cure. POTA and other tools help the police to prevent the blasts. The local police are not stupid (as some think here) and they possess local intel. They just don't have the tools and political will power to act.

Gujarat blasts organized from Mumbai and Bangalore blasts organized from Hyderabad gives an almost clear indication of SIMI's involvement.

At this time it very important that blasts do not spread to cities like Surat in GUJ and Mysore/Hubli in KT.

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 27 Jul 2008 19:52

Why is the bomb shaped like that? That does not look like a tiffin box. Some sort of claymore/max-spread of ball-bearings design.

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 27 Jul 2008 20:07

anupmisra wrote:Look Ma, no gloves.
The bomb disposal expert or his supervisor are probably unaware that fingerprints on the bomb could be vital in tracking down the bomb makers. Or is it the cost of a pair of rubber gloves?

Doesnt the curved red part on the left of the picture (which supposedly contains the ball bearings) seemed to be built like a claymore mine? curved to ensure the ball bearings /explosion is focussed in a particular direction.

Added Later: Rishi, you beat me to it - it does look like the claymore approach

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 27 Jul 2008 20:23

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 27 Jul 2008 20:27

1) The Indian embassy in Kabul is attacked, There were indications that it would come under attack but it couldn't be prevented in time

2) NSA calls for the destruction of ISI, an unprecendeted statement

3)Amirkhan guest makes unscheduled visit to Bakistan for an unscheduled GUBO session

4) Blasts in Bangalore, Kerala

5) Blasts in Ahmedabad

Whoever was behind the blasts, they have handed a life line to the Kangress govt which was on it's way out, deal or no deal, because of financial mismanagement. The only thing that can save this government is a limited skirmish with BAKISTAN, with Amreek troops in the vicinity there are minimal chances of a full blown conflict and worse new- clear exchange. My paki mind says India is going to hit a few ISI run camps across the border using the IAF,or atleast extract visible revenge for the atrocities. Even if the Pakis are not responsible for the present atrocities, they fully deserve what they are in for, or they deserve to be destroyed anyway, the sooner the better.

just my 2 Baki Gubos, please don't reply with hate posts

Salams

Shivani · Post by **Shivani** » 27 Jul 2008 20:34

These bomb disposal squad people are something else. The kit I have seen them wear on TV looks nothing like heavily padded kits used by other nations. Our kit looks more like riot or crowd control uniform.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 20:34

Some points to note -
1. Since he is a US national, why he preferred informing Bombay police over his own agency FBI?
2. Average american wouldn't care coming out and aiding a 2nd country police in their own terror problems and that too when he is an american.
3. Average american wouldn't invite a mess knowing Indian police well.
4. Average american don't care about whats happening in world beyond his nose. And definately not, if its about terrorism concerning a 2nd country. Shabby record of americans is well known in Dawood case.

This looks like an attempt to check cyber-investigation capabilities of Bombay police(whose cyber cell is known for their expertise).

I am sure this email ID is being tracked nicely and now they will monitor and get to know the cyber-investigation mechanism of mumbai police.

Routine as usual for unkill agencies.

I think this quote should be archived. . An innocent foreign national who finds himself named as the originator of a crime, does what any innocent person does first: CALL THE LOCAL POLICE.

A criminal would have called his Consulate first asking for a lawyer since he's heading to jail.
So since the email came out BEFORE the blast, this is automatic "proof" to this postor that the perpetrators are the American "Agencies". Wow!

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 20:38

Our kit looks more like riot or crowd control uniform.

You are probably right, shivani. But what else can they get to a given point in a given city at such short notice? Grab the nearest policeman, ask him to go do the job with whatever training they have.

Think about the raw unquestioning courage of the man! That's who protects India day and night, whatever the Babus and Netas may be doing. These are all that stand between us and destruction, and frankly, I cannot imagine being luckier.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 27 Jul 2008 20:39

I think the choice with India has is a tough one:

The role of disaffected IMs as perpetrators of terror is increasing. With Islam being what it is, it is relatively easy to find a few rotten apples. These traitors of course depend on foreign support. India can either:

-> Go after them internally
-> Go after their handles outside India

The challenge with any internal action is that either it becomes a ham-fisted approach or requires a high level of penetration. Ham-Fisted approach is likely to backfire over the long term since it provides more fuel for the foreigners to exploit.

To be able to truly root out the problem, it is the handlers outside India who need to be eliminated.

After the Kabul attack, a senior official had stated that 'ISI has to be destroyed'. I am not sure whether it is a fundamental change in outlook or just a knee jerk reaction. But to have any success the war against terrorism in India, the war has to be fought outside India. The question of course is whether India can find a way to do it. The key of course likes in Washington: how long can the old-guard US establishment defend the snake they nurtured?

The next year or two promise to be an interesting time; we are at an inflection point with both the Indian and the American governments up for vote. Both the countries need someone with enough spine to see the folly of the past approach and take appropriate action to destroy the threat once for all. Enough of pus*y footing.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2008 20:41

Rishi, Jagan, would/could u pls compare with the mines that were used to blow up the police bus in Andhra a week or so ago?

The mine discovery is VERY interesting.