Blasts in Ahmedabad

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Jul 2008 08:39

Rangudu wrote:
A few months back, my wife told me to reconsider my decision to be active on forums again. I should have listened to her.

I'm done with this forum or any other for a while. You can rant on in peace.

This is a cop out. At a time when we should hear out informed views like yours, you can't take the heat and want to leave. Give me a break. Reconsider your decision.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jul 2008 08:41

Was seeing NDTV last night and the anchor was taking us through wards where a young boy with burns all over the body was groaning in pain. I pray that he recovers quickly. Another man was shown whose daughter's mutilated body he did not even gather courage to see and he burst out crying. What struck me though was how the same people who claim 'your terrorists are their freedom fighters' eat from both ends.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 28 Jul 2008 08:44

Raju,

You can roil in your conspiratorial mud all you want. I'll not question you anymore. I'm done here as I said before.

Go ahead and feel happy that you and your types have chased away one more person who has tried to do what he can to help his motherland.

CRS,

Keep thinking its a cop out. I'm just tired and have better things to do than to get this constant potshots especially by people who don't even have the basic decency or guts to direct barbs at me using my name (not referring to you BTW). I need to use my energy to provide for my family etc. I'll continue to put my views forward in other places where people don't gang up like rabid wolves on persons who ask for substantiation of claims.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Jul 2008 08:46

Talking about conspiracy theories, at least on BR we can all agree on TSP/ISI role. But according to western rags like Economist/NYT etc, India always sees a 'conspracy' by blaming TSP. Thats how seriously they take India's travails with TSP. This, from the very same people who will instantly blame a train wreck in Biloxie, Mississipi or a gas cannister going off in Devener, or a sniper attack DC, or anything suspiscous on so called "Al Quaida" or whoever is the seasonal 'bad guy' which curretnly is bestowed on Iran.

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 28 Jul 2008 08:48

SSridhar wrote:What struck me though was how the same people who claim 'your terrorists are their freedom fighters' eat from both ends.

Perception of neutrality is very important for carrying out successful psy-ops.

So those indulging in psy-ops, the masters at the game, will cater to both parties. But when push comes to shove they will support whoever their mentors want them to.

Raju,

You can roil in your conspiratorial mud all you want. I'll not question you anymore. I'm done here as I said before.

Go ahead and feel happy that you and your types have chased away one more person who has tried to do what he can to help his motherland.

Rangudu,

I have not chased anyone away, and I have no reason to.

All Indians deserve another chance, at least on BRF. Hopefully you forgive others and everyone can carry on. As we work to perpetuate Indian Interests, which is our goal. If we are sincere and clear on this goal we can and should ignore minor differences and consensus on this goal is important. final words on this.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Jul 2008 08:50

Rangudu wrote: Keep thinking its a cop out. I'm just tired and have better things to do than to get this constant potshots especially by people who don't even have the basic decency or guts to direct barbs at me using my name (not referring to you BTW). I need to use my energy to provide for my family etc. I'll continue to put my views forward in other places where people don't gang up like rabid wolves on persons who ask for substantiation of claims.

I don't have a dog in this except to say you being way tooo sensitive. I would bet that 99% of the people here look up to your views, and I don't see anybody ganging up on you rabid wolves. So this is the place to post your views

.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jul 2008 08:54

Rangudu, I think your decision is unfortunate. Just ignore whomsoever you don't agree with, beyond a point, and keep posting your thoughts.

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 28 Jul 2008 09:01

Rangudu,

Please be aware of the "Ignore user" function. Apply liberally! Keeps one happy (though admins dont have that privelage

)

To All: OK. No more personal attacks/snide-remarks on the forum. We are all on one side here.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Jul 2008 09:02

Muppalla wrote:If we does not like others views then call them as conspiracy theorists. The persons who calls others as conspiracy theorists becomes elderly statesman of the forum.

I have been the one guy who has been on the receiving end of this mud slinging on conspiracy theory for a long time. It is all over other places in the net too I heard. I had to swallow it keep doing what I have been doing for a long time.

Shivani · Post by **Shivani** » 28 Jul 2008 09:11

Brilliant post shiv, in fact one should go further and ask whether all muslims are violent or is it Hindus that are apathetic and useless. Why aren't the hindu citizens bombing vidhan-sabhas or civil lines where the elite babus live in comfort. Why aren't the hindus killing MPs, MLAs, babus and mediapersonalities?

Most Hindus suffer just as much as the muslims, but accept sixty years of failure and underachievement as continuation of another few hundred years of history. The past is the present, the present the future?

Muslims do not have that kind of baggage, are a minority (with history), have strong sub-cultural unity amongst the community when it comes to facing 'outsiders' and thus when proper ingredients are supplied do not have qualms about expressing their displeasure.

The trouble is this energy is being tapped into and exploited by interests that are ultimately harmful to the welfare of both muslims and hindus aka Indians. This might shock many muslims, but if instead of targeting civilians in markets and offices they went about killing the politicians and civil servants, they might win a lot of fans amongst the hindus as well.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 28 Jul 2008 09:15

SSridhar wrote:Rangudu, I think your decision is unfortunate. Just ignore whomsoever you don't agree with, beyond a point, and keep posting your thoughts.

I'm just tired of this constant passive-aggressive nonsense. The nuclear deal threads constantly saw people like me being accused of being all but CIA agents. Snide comments questioning patriotism were everywhere. I was having a conversation with Dr. Shiv and all of a sudden this Mupalla guy launches on a pathetic diatribe against me.

Perhaps I have a thin skin of late but I just can't stand these passive aggressive bullshit like "All you need to do is write couple of articles to a non-India magazine ( a la brown saheb) and you will know 100% of India psyche"

So is this what we want? Why bother with the SRR anyway, if those that may want to contribute are going to be branded as Brown Sahebs on the very same medium that seeks their views?

Why can't people say "You know what Mr. Rangudu, you are wrong to call my blaming of CIA as conspiracy theory and here are the reasons why - 1,2, 3. QED"? Instead of that we have had inneundos, snide attacks and ad-hominem all passing for discourse.

Funnily enough, that's how I started writing in the first place. After an email rant on TSP-US ties, one wise person challenged me to put my anger into logically indisputable and factually backed arguments. I did that and guess what, people were willing to publish it. I could have chosen to call the editor swear words but what would that have accomplished?

Now, I'm sure there are people here who agree with me and others who don't. I'm not doing this to be a drama queen expecting a bunch of "admirers" to say "Oh please come back." I'm just tired of this bullshit and feel like there are better ways for me contribute. I hope the new admins will help create a better environment. Hopefully the spate of blasts dies down soon and the nuclear deal does not make any more divisive news.

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 28 Jul 2008 09:22

Muppalla,

Since you are emotionally charged and can't seem to read the post in its entirety. Let me state some the facts clearly about my thinking on the issue -

1) You want POTA/TADA brought back but I believe bringing them back without other changes would be as useless as it was last time.
2) I am not against TADA/POTA, I want them brought back as a part of broader reform which includes -

a) Legislation, which allows a central crime-fighting agency, unlike CBI, which is only a crime investigation agency
b) Immediate implementation of Supreme Court mandated police reforms in states, which would provide sufficient independence and competence building to police forces
c) Once a and b are implemented bring back TADA/POTA etc

Here is something for you to read and make up your mind about effectiveness of TADA/POTA.
POTA

From 1984 onwards, some 75,000 people were detained all over India under TADA. Of these, 73,000 cases had to be subsequently withdrawn for lack of evidence.

That is 97.3% failure rate. State cops manage 20% conviction rates and CBI manages close to 70%. You can guess what some of those 73K people might be doing right now!!!

In which state was the maximum number of arrests made under POTA?

No, it is not Jammu and Kashmir, as you may have thought, but Jharkhand that saw the largest number of arrests under POTA. Some 250 people have been jailed under the law in this eastern state.

The most high profile POTA arrest has not been of any terrorist, but of Marumalarchi Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam leader V Gopalasamy aka Vaiko. Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa got Vaiko arrested under POTA for making a public speech in support of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam.

So it is clear that stricter laws doesn't add in convicting more criminals/Terrorists neither they make our police force more efficient in catching terrorists. If anything they make conviction even more difficult and end up demonizing law enforcement agencies.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Jul 2008 09:24

Ahmedabad blasts: Police make first arrest
28 Jul 2008, 0830 hrs IST,Times Now

NEW DELHI: An activist of the banned militant outfit, Ahle Hadees, has been arrested in connection with the serial blasts in Ahmedabad which was on the edge on Sunday with a live bomb in the city being defused and another three found in Surat city as the death toll rose to 49. ( Watch )

(In Pics: Blasts rock Ahmedabad)

The arrested activist, identified as Abdul Halim and wanted in connection with 2002 post-Godhra riots, was picked up by the police from the communally- -sensitive Dani Limda area in the walled city. He had remained elusive since the riots.

What is Ahle Hadees?
The terror outfit, Ahle Hadees, is an ultra conservative religious group that owes its allegiance to the Wahabi sect of Islam. The Ahle Hadees is known to have founded the dreaded Lashkar-e-Toiba militant outfit in Pakistan that is known to be behind several terror attacks in India.

Many members of this group are also known to be part of the SIMI cadre. Moreover, several Ahle Hadees activists have been accused of carrying out terror acts.

On Sunday, a live explosive was found in a garbage can in Amraiwadi area and defused by the bomb detection squad. A bomb kept in a wooden box near a hospital and two car laden with explosives were found in Surat city.

Army staged flag marches in the vulnerable areas in the city to instill confidence among its shaken residents.

In New Delhi, Home Minister Shivraj Patil chaired a high-level meeting to review the security scenario in the country and assured all possible help to the Narendra Modi government in its hour of crisis.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, accompanied by Home minister Shivraj Patil and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi who are to visit Ahmedabad on Monday, was briefed by Patil, National Security Adviser MK Narayanan and top officials of the Home Ministry on the security situation in the country.

Intensifying its probe into the serial blasts, the anti-terrorism squad of Maharashtra police raided an apartment in Navi Mumbai's Palm Beach Road area and seized a computer from which an e-mail was suspected to have been sent to TV channels purportedly by a little-known 'Indian Mujahideen' threatening more blasts in the country.

Terror struck Ahmedabad on Saturday when 16 coordinated serial blasts ripped through the metropolis killing 49 people and injuring more than 150, a day after multiple explosions rocked Bangalore.

Several states, including Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Delhi, Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand, sounded red alerts heightening vigil in sensitive areas.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 28 Jul 2008 09:37

Sumeet wrote:10 Ways to Fight Terror -- Hindustan Times
...We suggest ten steps that India should take to take the battle against terror from rhetoric to impact:

Create a network of surveillance cameras:

Pump money into forensics:
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Give more work to the RTO:
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Shopkeepers as sleuths:
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National ID cards:
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National law on terror:
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Create a Department of National Security:
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National database of suspects:
I...

Bring in the CBI:
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Police the police:
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Writer has lost his mind.

Only 3 solutions are needed -

1. Focus on GDP-rate 8%++ and China.
2. Airlift and drop some INSAS, heavy mortars, guns, pistols, diwali phatakas to our friends in Baluchistan.
3. Repeat 1 and 2.

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 28 Jul 2008 09:49

shiv wrote:I recall that and had created a graphic to illustrate what happens. The hit man is often a Muslim who gets shelter in oil droplet, but taking him out does nothing. The [politician is protected and more grievance is cause among Muslims who take ISI help to use a new hit man, who may also be used by the politician for his land dealings.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/cy ... /nexus.jpg

Bingo.

this is the reason why India is the most affected by terrorism in the world. (Iraq is a war zone).

Unless a political principal emerges who is willing to break this chain and aid the police in doing so. We are in it for the long run.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 28 Jul 2008 10:35

Times Now - "IT industry in Bangalore has demanded Anti-aircraft Guns to protect their installations after blasts in Ahmedabad."

Now, these newly born "elites" need special security for themselves. There is no doubt that these idiots live in their own little pond, totally disconnected from Indian sentiments.

Only fools will make such hypocritic demands.

Instead of coming forward and showing their solidarity with the countrymen and those died in blasts by pressuring GoI to take action on terrorist supporters among political parties, all these coolies can do is sit in cubicles and make hypocritic demands.

Least these idiots could have done was, send a proposal to GoI that they will stop paying tax if GoI didn't take action on terrorist sympathizers.

When whole country is suffering, common man on street is dying in blasts, all these self-sufficient, hyper-nourished idiots can do is make demands from already under-stress security forces of the country.

They are behaving like kids. Now, one shouldn't expect any mature thinking from IT-vity crowd.

A$$holes.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 28 Jul 2008 10:48

Everything is not equal in a country.

Your point would have been valid had they asked for all that for their own personal property example their homes. but IT companies represent the milk and cream for Indians. A lot of Indians find employment there. It should be protected at all cost even if it means doing something special.

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 28 Jul 2008 10:54

AFAIK oil rigs private owned and certain petrochemical industries on west coast have asked for Anti-Aircraft guns and Air Force cover.

IT sector in Bangalore have asked for CISF cover.

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 28 Jul 2008 10:55

Gentle readers here demand various things post every blast. All very valid. What I am going to say may really irk many here. But let me say it anyway. I am used to the brickbats that will follow.

Yes we need the reintroduction of a law like POTA, yes we need a central homeland security or terrorism investigative agency, yes we need to have a system that forces politicians to act rather than play political games, yes we need to take action against ISI and other fountain heads of terror inside Pakistan, overtly covertly any which way. YES TO ALL.

But still we will fail. I submit here that the common citizenry is not prepared to face this war. This is a war with faceless enemies and an enemy state that is disintegrating. In my earlier rambles post "election" in Pakistan I had raised some questions in a thread that I had started.
They are vital ones.

1. What is the plan that GOI has for Pakistan? That it has to disintegrate is a given. How is the GOI going to achieve this or manage the implications of this eventuality? Are we going to play a part or watch from the sidelines, taking just enough care to manage the resulting chaos from impacting our 9% growth?

2. Do we have a composite plan to address the terror machine internally? Legal systems, societal systems, political consensus, intelligence network, pre and post attack systems to limit damage, investigative systems - are they all adequate? Is there across the board political recognition that this must be done and there is a need for building national consensus on it?

3. Is there are a recognition by the GOI as well as the people that we are at war with an unseen enemy and EVERYONE is in the frontlines here? Everyone has therefore a role to play.

I submit to readers here that the people of India are not prepared to fight this war. They are not willing even to recognise that we are at war. It is stupid to think that just because we all get up the next morning and take the same local trains or go to the same markets that were scenes of carnage just the other day is courage. It is fatalistic acceptance. Nothing will come of it except more attacks.

It is even more stupid to think that because we maintain calm, we have shown courage. It is a good thing, nothing to be proud of though. What takes the cake in stupidity is the venting after every event against the politicians , by the media and the public.

As long as every average Indian balks at helping an injured accident victim because they do not want to get into the jhanjat of dealing with officialdom, as long as there are dharnas in front of prime minister's house to demand release of criminals to gain release of loved ones, as long as there are people who think policemen who catch their traffic violations as a nuisance who should be bribed, we cannot fight and win this war.

What is the connection one may ask. The connection is the attitude- rules are for everyone else accept me, fighting terror is the job of the government, am I not paying taxes?, politicians do not do anything, police is stupid corrupt and violate human rights as a norm, as long as it happens to someone else it does not concern me, yes i feel sad about it, angry about it, I will go donate blood, write a letter to the editor and donate money, and I have done my duty.

Yet we all expect that every Indian Muslim should report every out of towner and shady idealogue who turn up in their mohallah to the nearest cop. Why? Do other communites report on the rowdies and dadas that rule the roost in their Mohallah. Why should a Indian Muslim be any different from a Indian Hindu or Sikh or any other religion, state. They will have the same level of spinelessness.

I will tell you what it takes to win this war, besides all the usual laws, police, intelligence etc. It takes the general citizenry to be aware that they are in a war and they are in the front lines themselves not some police or security service professionals alone.

After all the converse of yatha raja thatha praja is true too. If we as a citizenry willing to accept this, how can anyone be bothered to fight and win this war for us.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Jul 2008 10:55

vishwakarmaa wrote:Times Now - "IT industry in Bangalore has demanded Anti-aircraft Guns to protect their installations after blasts in Ahmedabad."

Now, these newly born "elites" need special security for themselves. There is no doubt that these idiots live in their own little pond, totally disconnected from Indian sentiments.

They are behaving like kids. Now, one shouldn't expect any mature thinking from IT-vity crowd.

A$$holes.

Looks like fertile imagination of the reporter/reporterette. How can AAA guns protect against bomb blasts ?

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 28 Jul 2008 11:00

Is there a link between terror attacks on India and attacks on Turkey ?

Is this part of the International Islamic Front that B. Raman keeps crowing about. Both India & Turkey (India is not yet Turkey inshallah) are democratic countries trying to keep vestiges of the secular state alive amongst growing Islamist threat.

Both are allied to USA.

Shivani · Post by **Shivani** » 28 Jul 2008 11:25

Raju wrote:Both are allied to USA.

There are severe differences in the kind of alliance Turkey and India have with US. Compared to Turkey's relationship with USA, we do not have an alliance. At all. To mention both relationships in the same breath is disingenuous.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 28 Jul 2008 11:55

Rediff hits new low...

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/28ahd.htm

Heavy rains on Monday morning soothed the frayed nerves of Ahmedabad, where serial blasts killed over 50 people on July 26.

Two days after the blasts, the death toll continues to rise. Residents of Ahmedabad have also been apprehensive about communal tension erupting in the wake of the serial blasts.

But the heavy rain has thrown normal life out of gear.

Luck is once again favouring Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. The Modi government was facing a difficult time due to inadequate rainfall in the state. But today's rains will help the economy in general and Modi's regime in particular.

The chief minister has been receiving flak from the media for the slack security arrangements in Ahmedabad, in spite of the 'red alert' declared after the Bengaluru serial blasts.

Modi's claims of providing adequate security have failed, making him politically vulnerable.

prashanth · Post by **prashanth** » 28 Jul 2008 12:09

Shivani wrote:
Raju wrote:Both are allied to USA.
There are severe differences in the kind of alliance Turkey and India have with US. Compared to Turkey's relationship with USA, we do not have an alliance. At all. To mention both relationships in the same breath is disingenuous.

Precisely, and that is the very reason they face the wrath of fundamentalists.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Jul 2008 12:16

bhargava wrote:
How will the Commies be reacting to all of this?
Sitaram Yechury was in Bengalooru to meet the blast victims. He asked the state government to find out whether the blasts were in retaliation to build-up of communal feelings/parties in the state in recent months. Saw this report in TV-9 channel news.

I am sorry but I must say that Yechury sounds like a monster and a ghoul as well as a traitor. It's a terrible shame that no one seems to confront him with the sheer ghastliness of his reaction.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Jul 2008 12:23

narayanan wrote:
I will keep american-indians out now from terror angle. They are angels.

Q.E.D. I wasn't wrong about the attitude or intelligence at all, obviously.

And I am not an American, though to people with your mentality, anyone who has crossed the seas must probably be "brahsht" and thus subjects of contempt. I don't get my feelings hurt as long as I need not worry about any intelligence having gone into the statements made, thank you.

Acknowledging raw feelings all around, I feel tempted to echo the plaintive cry heard at hostel pickup football games aeons ago:

"same team, same team!!!"

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 28 Jul 2008 12:27

prashanth wrote:
Shivani wrote: There are severe differences in the kind of alliance Turkey and India have with US. Compared to Turkey's relationship with USA, we do not have an alliance. At all. To mention both relationships in the same breath is disingenuous.
Precisely, and that is the very reason they face the wrath of fundamentalists.

Thats true.

1. Turkey is modern-wannabe.

2. While Indian situation changes with political party in power. One party is US-poodle and other is Islam-poodle. None of them capable of protecting India on its own.

3. While Indians are busy on BRF blaming long-term secondary issues of castes, Islam and etc. for rise of terrorism. Missing totally on external enemies.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jul 2008 12:28

KV Rao wrote:It's a terrible shame that no one seems to confront him with the sheer ghastliness of his reaction.

Oh no. Do you realize how un-secular it will be to confront the Commies ?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Jul 2008 12:32

pradeepe wrote: But the low intensity nature suggests a subtle message and the maoists dont send such soft messages. They sink barges and then go after the swimming, drowning victims to murder them. Their messages are simple.

Actually, maoists are not known to indulge in mindless undirected violence, speaking generally. The fact that the damage has been relatively controlled and limited is one aspect that is suggestive of a maoist role.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 28 Jul 2008 12:46

KV Rao wrote: Actually, maoists are not known to indulge in mindless undirected violence, speaking generally. The fact that the damage has been relatively controlled and limited is one aspect that is suggestive of a maoist role.

Yes. Maoist are peaceful. Remember how a whole of Special Group commando group of 50 were killed in a single blow??

Look at assam and North-east states. Whole towns are being attacked by force of 200 maoists in the midnight. They raped all women in that town, slitted heads of youth, kidnapped kids. They are threatening exodus of whole population and businesses from north-east districts. This is of massive scale as done by Hitler forces.

Want more examples? Look at Assam tea fields. Workers were kidnapped and terrorised.

Want more? Local politicians of all North-east states have been kidnapped, killed.

Want more? State goverment officials of north-east states cabinet ranks have been kidnapped and killed by bombing their motor-cads in a damage-controlled manner.

Want more? Senior executives of PSUs and Private companies working in north-east are regularly kidnapped by Maoists and some have been killed too. This includes officials from TATA as well as ONGC.

If this is not mindless then what is?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Jul 2008 12:49

Raju wrote:AFAIK oil rigs private owned and certain petrochemical industries on west coast have asked for Anti-Aircraft guns and Air Force cover.

IT sector in Bangalore have asked for CISF cover.

I don't understand what AA guns are supposed to do to help against RDX or IED blasts. Do the IT companies know something about the possibility of there being a war with countries having an air force?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Jul 2008 12:51

A report last year by the National Counterterrorism Center in Washington concluded that from January 2004 to March 2007, the death toll from terrorist attacks in India was 3,674, second only to that in Iraq during the same period.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/28/world ... ei=5087%0A

Vivek Sreenivasan · Post by **Vivek Sreenivasan** » 28 Jul 2008 12:52

Rao the IT sector is asking for CISF cover not AA guns, lol

Anyways i dont trust those IT guys with heavy weaponry.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Jul 2008 12:53

Nayak wrote:
vishwakarmaa wrote:Times Now - "IT industry in Bangalore has demanded Anti-aircraft Guns to protect their installations after blasts in Ahmedabad."

Now, these newly born "elites" need special security for themselves. There is no doubt that these idiots live in their own little pond, totally disconnected from Indian sentiments.

They are behaving like kids. Now, one shouldn't expect any mature thinking from IT-vity crowd.

A$$holes.

Looks like fertile imagination of the reporter/reporterette. How can AAA guns protect against bomb blasts ?

Some of these reporters are capable of taking a random statement by someone employed in the IT industry and spinning it to something official-sounding in the headline. Often the article contains no substantiation of what is blared in the headline.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 28 Jul 2008 12:55

Report is false.

According to GoI figures(under-estimated) toll in last 5 years is above 10,000.

This figure covers J&K only. Forget about covering NE and rest of India. It crosses 20,000.

Vivek Sreenivasan · Post by **Vivek Sreenivasan** » 28 Jul 2008 12:57

The repoter or the IT rep is obviously an Idiot and probably doesnt know the difference between an AA gun and a sub-machine gun.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Jul 2008 13:01

vishwakarmaa wrote:
KV Rao wrote: Actually, maoists are not known to indulge in mindless undirected violence, speaking generally. The fact that the damage has been relatively controlled and limited is one aspect that is suggestive of a maoist role.
Yes. Maoist are peaceful. Remember how a whole of Special Group commando group of 50 were killed in a single blow??

Look at assam and North-east states. Whole towns are being attacked by force of 200 maoists in the midnight. They raped all women in that town, slitted heads of youth, kidnapped kids. They are threatening exodus of whole population and businesses from north-east districts. This is of massive scale as done by Hitler forces.

Want more examples? Look at Assam tea fields. Workers were kidnapped and terrorised.

Want more? Local politicians of all North-east states have been kidnapped, killed.

Want more? State goverment officials of north-east states cabinet ranks have been kidnapped and killed by bombing their motor-cads in a damage-controlled manner.

Want more? Senior executives of PSUs and Private companies working in north-east are regularly kidnapped by Maoists and some have been killed too. This includes officials from TATA as well as ONGC.

If this is not mindless then what is?

It is mindful or controlled violence, i.e., narrowly targeted violence with specific goals in mind. They go to considerable trouble in their conclaves to decide how they should direct their violence against various instruments of the state (with which they consider themselves at war), and do show a certain degree of concern about uncontrolled violence.

Arguably, all violence by enemies of India is targeted in some manner; however from what I know, the naxalites do pay some amount of attention to collateral damage.

If I may say so, righteous indignation is going to be of limited use in seriously confronting the very real war all Indians have been dragged into. Presumably this forum boasts some of the better minds produced by India; we need to apply those minds to understand the nature of the enemy in its various flavors.

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 28 Jul 2008 13:09

KV Rao wrote:
Raju wrote:AFAIK oil rigs private owned and certain petrochemical industries on west coast have asked for Anti-Aircraft guns and Air Force cover.

IT sector in Bangalore have asked for CISF cover.
I don't understand what AA guns are supposed to do to help against RDX or IED blasts. Do the IT companies know something about the possibility of there being a war with countries having an air force?

AA guns are not for RDX or terrorism. Privately owned Petrochemical companies and oil rigs located off the coast of Gujarat want to guard against surprise air attack from Pakistan against their investments.

Not IED or RDX blasts.

Someone wrongly connected AA guns and IT sector in a post somewhere ahead in the chain. And you know you cannot mention names of companies or individuals or politicians openly, because there are peole waiting to take offence. I have been warned on this count previously and thus have to be vague.

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 28 Jul 2008 13:29

Shivani wrote:
Raju wrote:Both are allied to USA.
There are severe differences in the kind of alliance Turkey and India have with US. Compared to Turkey's relationship with USA, we do not have an alliance. At all. To mention both relationships in the same breath is disingenuous.

yes, there are differences, in India and Turkey wrt US. You are right.

But it has been observed in the past too that bomb blasts in India sometimes co-ordinate with such attacks against Turkey. At least I can recollect two happening at the same time it happened in India. The bomb blasts in Mumbai trains took place at the same time as blasts in Istanbul. It is possible that there is a purposeful move to give such blasts an International aka al-qaeda colour. This could also be to blur the local angle from the world and portray a united Islamic front before gullible masses. In reality angle could be both local and multinational.

The message will be sent that "you cannot fight 'international' terrorism, but only option is to join hands with US to fight against those people who are against our liberties" or something to similar effect. Remember if you hear some dude or 'terrorism expert' saying these words. You heard it here.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 28 Jul 2008 13:36

KV Rao wrote:It is mindful or controlled violence, i.e., narrowly targeted violence with specific goals in mind. They go to considerable trouble in their conclaves to decide how they should direct their violence against various instruments of the state (with which they consider themselves at war), and do show a certain degree of concern about uncontrolled violence.

So, what solution you propose?