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Re: Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism: 25 May 2007

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Philip wrote:Veteran Dawn journalist Irfan Hussein in this very insightful piece shows why Pakistanis/Muslims are under suspicion in the west.
BRFite lakshmic in this very insightful piece shows why Pakistanis are under suspicion in the west
Because they keep blowing stuff up !
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lakshmic wrote:
Philip wrote:Veteran Dawn journalist Irfan Hussein in this very insightful piece shows why Pakistanis/Muslims are under suspicion in the west.
BRFite lakshmic in this very insightful piece shows why Pakistanis are under suspicion in the west
Because they keep blowing stuff up !
:rotfl: :rotfl:
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Clearly, many Muslims who have chosen to live in the West are not doing themselves any favours by their stand-offish behaviour and their bizarre views.
But didn't Jinnah say that Muslims were a distinct nation, with their own laws, customs, history etc?
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Gerard wrote:
But didn't Jinnah say that Muslims were a distinct nation, with their own laws, customs, history etc?
Gerard
Indeed so. Muslims were and are a distinct nation, their laws are bigoted, customs full of hate, lies, sexual depravation, mental retardation, history full of violence, theivery. Few weeks ago there was an article in LA Times about some group in Iraq one of the member of this group was eyeing 8 yr old girl and commented "she is pretty, must follow islamic traditions and a man should take her as a wife when she is 10 yr old" even though she was not muslim. Her father ended up fleeing iraq to sweden applied for asylum so that he can save his family from these marauders and rapists, he was denied asylum. Pakis are at the torchbearer of islam and sudanese are right behind them.
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Sridhar,the Qaid,MA Jinnah was a believer who created Pak.He enjoyed sporting a monocle,wore western clothes smoked,drank and above all loved his packed pork sandwiches which his dear beloved wife used to make for him! I know of many jolly Muslims in India who imbibe liquid refreshment far beyond the "plimsoll line",are quite liberal and do not hold extremist views.Some even emulate Jinnah as far as sandwiches go! But all that is required is for a few hard core extremists to preach ,practice and indoctrinate the many ,especially impressionable youth in madrasas and mosques,easily seduced by false interpretations of religion and brainwashed into becoming terrorists and suicide bombers.

We have to expect and prepare for the worst if we are to have some measure of success against the enemy.EWe must imporve our surveillance in our cities and metros as Britain is doing and totally revamp our internal intelligence.We need massive extra manpower,a network of informants and high-tech surveillance eqpt. used in detecting countering terrorist groups and not to be used for political purposes.
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Did anyone else catch a Pakshitani advertisement on CNN yesterday. It showed picture after picture of posh five star hotels and nice buildings and then the tag line was "Pakistan - We are ready for your investement".

It was wondering besides the terrorist types, who would want to invest in Pakshitan.
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Confronted
Pakistani officials have repeatedly denied the allegation of ISI support for the Taliban, though Defense Minister Ahmed Mukhtar, who accompanied Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani in a visit to Washington this week, acknowledged that his U.S. counterparts had aired serious concerns. Following their meetings this week, Gillani and President Bush sought to ease bilateral tensions over the conduct of the campaign against terrorism. Their talks focused on efforts to clamp down on al-Qaeda and Taliban extremists in Pakistan's northwest tribal areas.
In Red --> meaning time is running out for you we can and will easily come in your country and start whupping your military and take control of FATA, SWAT etc. Durand line will have no meaning all those area will become part of Afghanistan.

In Green--> if publicly calling you the Terrorist nation is "airing concern" while you are an honored guest then please explain the meaning of MUNNA as Colon Powell once said of this pesky nation. Aid Money is tied in congress, no hope of getting released any time soon, placed under microscope--where is their H&D after getting slapped around.
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Philip wrote: We must imporve our surveillance in our cities and metros as Britain is doing and totally revamp our internal intelligence.
Frankly there is no need to waste such huge amount of money on surveillance. And did these cameras in britain prevent any attacks? No. All we got to see were surveillance camera pics of the jehadis at the london tube stations.
Cameras cant prevent attacks, only the outlawing of teaching jihadi ideology will end the terror attacks.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 65#p508965
UK's `surveillance society' costing taxpayers 20 billion pounds: Report
London | July 07, 2008

A TaxPayers' Alliance report has claimed that Britain's "surveillance society" is costing the national exchequer 20 billion pounds, or 800 pounds per household.

The amount includes 19 billion pounds for the planned ID card system and 500 million pounds for CCTV cameras.
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And did these cameras in britain prevent any attacks? No. All we got to see were surveillance camera pics of the jehadis at the london tube stations.
The British used these pics to grab those who built the bombs. They solved the case.

In India, how many of the bomb makers have been caught? Or the financiers? Imagine the difference if the jihadi bombers could be traced back to their homes.
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Gerard wrote:
And did these cameras in britain prevent any attacks? No. All we got to see were surveillance camera pics of the jehadis at the london tube stations.
The British used these pics to grab those who built the bombs. They solved the case.
The only british case i remember were bomb builders were caught is when the fertilizers bags used for making the bomb stored in a warehouse were changed with fake bags, and when the jehadis came to get the bags they caught on camera. are you refering to this case?
Gerard wrote:In India, how many of the bomb makers have been caught?
the deendar anjuman group was successfully disbanded completely, simi cell in kims was caught before the attack could take place, an attack on UP cm mayawati was foiled yesterday
and previously a similar attack was foiled.
there are many such cases were terrorist cells were completely eliminated without using billions of dollars of tax payers money. More can be done if there are legislative changes which empower the officers to take timely action rather than wait for political clearances.
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Rishi wrote:
lakshmic wrote: BRFite lakshmic in this very insightful piece shows why Pakistanis are under suspicion in the west
:rotfl: :rotfl:
:D Rishi-saar,
I made the post only half in jest and certainly didnt mean any offense to Philip-saar.

Most of the towels by educated Pakis about "Why do they hate us ?", take one of three predictable routes. 1. Either it is the case that they want to euphemistically describe the problem without going into words that actually describe it, or 2. they dont see the problem and express confusion, or 3. they are convinced that they are right, that their ways of life are right, they have an inalienable right to pursue it wherever they see fit and its the fault of the west that they dont adjust to the behavior of the pakis. I have no comments on the latter two categories. Lets take the former category.

A typical article about "Why do they hate pakis in Britain would read like"
Immigrants, like most temporal and spatial contexts, have a sociological tendency to preserve their way of life and suffer from cognitive dissonance when they travel to the west.

Furthermore, the recent incident involving Paki-British youths, who initiated the release of energy of chemical origin from their book satchels, which affected the structural integrity of the co-travelers in various transportation facilities, riveted the nation's attention on Pakis.
An average paki (conjecture) reads this gets indignant and throws a towel "but why us ? immigrants are suffering ! whats wrong in preserving our culture and initiating the release of energy of chemical origin once in a while ?"

Wouldnt it be simpler to write
They hate us because we beat our wives (plural) and keep blowing things up, while making statements about how its our birthright to beat our wives and keep blowing things up. Quit beating your wife and quit blowing sh*t up !
Maybe then, it will change their attitudes and pakis would think "Oh ! so this is the problem ! we should stop being our wives up and blowing things up is haraam !"

I particularly loathed irfan's article because it was a mixture of all the three categories in the same article ! He euphemistically expresses the problem "Clearly, many Muslims who have chosen to live in the West are not doing themselves any favours by their stand-offish behaviour and their bizarre views.", is confused why they hate pakis "In short, I mouth a bunch of clichés without being sure how many of them are really valid." and scattered throughout the article, he insinuates that it is pakis' birthright to isolate themselves, lead their lives they see fit (which involves beating wives up and blowing up sh*t).
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Man behind Kabul blasts identified?
8/3/2008

22-yr-old Hamza Shakoor has been identified as the bomber who carried out the suicide attack outside the Indian Embassy in Kabul, according to sources. The blast killed more than 40 people including a Brigadier of the Indian army.

According to sources, Hamza Shakoor hails from the Gujranwala district of Punjab in Pakistan.He was an activist of the Lashkar-e-Toiba.

Shakoor is said to have been recruited by the Gujranwala chapter of the Jamaatul Daawa as a jehadi operative in 2006. He was chosen for suicide-hit training earlier this year.

Sources say that the chief of the JuD Hafiz Saeed has quoted Hamza Shakoor as an example to other young militants while speaking about the importance of suicide attacks.

A suicide bomb that struck Kabul last month (June, 2008) blew off the gates of the Indian Embassy. The car bomb, which exploded just as two diplomatic vehicles entered the compound, rattled much of Afghanistan's capital. Dozens were killed and a large number of injuries were reported.
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Kabul India Embassy bomber identified
Afghan investigators believe that the suicide bomber who crashed an explosives-laden car into the Indian Embassy in Kabul last month was a Pakistani national.

Intelligence sources said Lashkar-e-Taiba operative Hamza Shakoor, tentatively identified as a 22-year-old resident of Pakistan’s Gujranwala district, is believed to have driven the white sports utility vehicle used to bomb the Indian mission.

Shakoor, intelligence sources say, is thought to have been recruited by the Lashkar in 2006. He trained at Lashkar camps before being despatched on his mission.

According to the sources, Shakoor was first tasked with participating in a fidayeen-style commando attack on the mission, but then he volunteered to carry out the suicide attack himself after its defences were upgraded just days before the attack.
Afghan secret service RAM, India's RAW and the US CIA had given early warnings and some very accurate warning too and yet, it could not be prevented, according to the above.
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From today's Boston Globe:
Pakistani scientist alive, in custody
FBI linked her to Al Qaeda in Hub
WASHINGTON - Five years after her disappearance, an MIT-trained Pakistani neuroscientist accused of belonging to an Al Qaeda cell based in Boston, is alive and in custody in Afghanistan, her family's attorney said yesterday.

"It has been confirmed by the FBI that Aafia Siddiqui is alive," said Elaine Whitfield Sharp, a lawyer for Siddiqui's family, who said she spoke to an FBI official on Thursday. "She is injured but alive, and she is in Afghanistan."
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Marvin Weinbaum, a Pakistan specialist at the Middle East Institute, said that Pakistan has a history of reacting to pressure from the United States by publicly revealing that it has captured and turned over high-value terrorism suspects. Usually, such cooperation is kept quiet because of anti-American sentiments.

"But when it suits their purpose to advertise that they are cooperative with US intelligence, all too often, someone high profile is revealed to have been captured and turned over," he said.
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According to the reports, Jaffrey alleged that Siddiqui was jailed in Kabul after being held in Bagram; a British journalist reached a similar conclusion based on interviews with prisoners released from Bagram.

Sharp said she believes those reports increased pressure on US and Pakistani authorities to divulge more information. "I don't believe that they just found Aafia," Sharp said. "I believe that she was there all along."
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=16403

Of particular US concern was the ISIís alleged involvement with Haqqani, one of its former allies, and its links to Lashkar-i-Taiba, a Punjab-based militant group, which is thought to have been behind the attack on an American outpost in Kunar last month in which nine US soldiers were killed.
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NYT

Pakistani Suspected of Qaeda Ties Is Held

By ERIC SCHMITT
Published: August 5, 2008

WASHINGTON — An American-trained Pakistani neuroscientist with ties to operatives of Al Qaeda has been charged with trying to kill American soldiers and F.B.I. agents in a police station in Afghanistan last month, the Justice Department said Monday night.

The scientist, Aafia Siddiqui, who studied at Brandeis University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was transferred to New York on Monday, and is to be arraigned Tuesday in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, the department said in a statement.

Ms. Siddiqui, 36, disappeared with her three children while visiting her parents’ home in Karachi, Pakistan, in March 2003, leading human rights groups and her family to believe she had been secretly detained. But in interviews Monday and in a criminal complaint made public later Monday, American officials said they had no knowledge of Ms. Siddiqui’s location for the past five years until July 17, when Ms. Siddiqui and a teenage boy were detained in Ghazni, Afghanistan, after local authorities became suspicious of their loitering outside the provincial governor’s compound.

When they searched Ms. Siddiqui’s handbag, the Afghan police found documents describing the creation of explosives as well as excerpts from the “Anarchist’s Arsenal.” She also carried sealed bottles and glass jars filled with liquids and gels.

The day after she was detained, an American team, including two F.B.I. agents, two American soldiers and interpreters, went to the police station to talk to her. The F.B.I. has wanted her for questioning since May 2004, a Justice Department spokesman said.

The complaint gave the following account of what happened next. Americans entered a room in the police station, unaware that Ms. Siddiqui was being held there, unsecured, behind a curtain. One of the soldiers, a warrant officer, sat down and placed his M-4 rifle on the floor next to the curtain.

Shortly after the meeting began, the other soldier, a captain, heard a woman yelling from the curtain. He turned to see Ms. Siddiqui pointing the warrant officer’s rifle at him.

The interpreter sitting closest to Ms. Siddiqui lunged at her and pushed the rifle away as she pulled the trigger and shouted, “God is Great.” She fired at least two shots, but no one was hit. The warrant officer returned fire with his 9mm pistol, hitting Ms. Siddiqui at least once in the torso.
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Ms. Siddiqui struggled when officers tried to subdue her, shouting in English that she wanted to kill Americans.
After she was subdued, the complaint said, she “temporarily lost consciousness.”

Ms. Siddiqui was charged Monday with one count of trying to kill American officers and employees and one count of assaulting them, the Justice Department said. If convicted, she faces a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison for each count.

The wild scene in the police station is the latest chapter in one of the strangest episodes in the American campaign against terrorism.

Human rights groups and a lawyer for Ms. Siddiqui, Elaine Whitfield Sharp, said they believed that Ms. Siddiqui had been secretly detained since 2003, much of the time at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.

“We believe Aafia has been in custody ever since she disappeared,” Ms. Sharp said in an interview on Monday before the complaint was made public, “and we’re not willing to believe that the discovery of Aafia in Afghanistan is coincidence.”

But American military and intelligence officials said Ms. Siddiqui was in Pakistan until she was detained by Afghan authorities.

“She was not in U.S. custody,” said a senior American intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the pending legal action.

United States intelligence agencies have said that Ms. Siddiqui has links to at least 2 of the 14 men suspected of being high-level members of Al Qaeda who were moved to Guantánamo in September 2006.

A government statement said that Ms. Siddiqui helped Majid Khan, a former Baltimore resident and terrorism suspect held in Guantánamo, get documents to re-enter the United States. The statement said Mr. Khan was directed by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the chief organizer of the Sept. 11 attacks, to conduct research on poisoning reservoirs and blowing up gas stations in the United States. The statement also said he had delivered money for terrorist attacks to another operative and discussed a plan to smuggle explosives.

The government said that Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, known as Ammar al-Baluchi, a nephew of Mr. Mohammed’s, ordered Ms. Siddiqui to help get Mr. Khan’s paperwork. The statement said Mr. Baluchi and Ms. Siddiqui married shortly before his capture.

Mark Mazzetti and Eric Lichtblau contributed reporting from Washington, and William K. Rashbaum
from New York.
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Bush warns Pakistan of ‘serious action’


LONDON: The United States has accused Pakistan’s main spy agency of deliberately undermining Nato efforts in Afghanistan by helping the Taliban and al-Qaeda militants they are supposed to be fighting, the Sunday Times reported.

President George W Bush confronted Yusuf Raza Gilani in Washington last week with evidence of involvement by the ISI in a deadly attack on the Afghan capital and warned of retaliation if it continues.

The move comes amid growing fears that Pakistanís tribal areas are turning into a global launch pad for terrorists. Gilani, on his first official US visit since being elected in February, was left in no doubt that the Bush administration had lost patience with the ISIís alleged double game. Bush warned that if one more attack in Afghanistan or elsewhere were traced back to Pakistan, he would have to take ìserious actionî.

Gilani also met Michael Hayden, director of the CIA, who confronted him with a dossier on ISI support for the Taliban. The key evidence concerned last monthís bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul, which killed 54 people, including the military attache.

An intercepted telephone conversation apparently revealed that ISI agents masterminded the operation. The United States also claimed to have arrested an ISI officer inside Afghanistan. Pakistani ministers said they had left Washington reeling from what they described as a ìgrillingî and shocked at ìthe trust deficitî between Pakistan and its most important backer.

ìThey were very hot on the ISI,î said a member of the Pakistan delegation. ìVery hot. When we asked them for more information, Bush laughed and said, ëWhen we share information with your guys, the bad guys always run awayí.î

ìThe question is why itís taken the Americans so long to see what the ISI is doing,î said Afrasiab Khattak, provincial president for the Awami National party. ìWeíve been telling them for years but they wouldnít buy it.î

The American accusations were categorically denied by Rehman Malik, Pakistanís de facto interior minister. ìThere is no involvement by the ISI of any form in Afghanistan,î he told The Sunday Times. ìWe requested evidence which has not yet been given.î

Malik admitted that in meetings in London, senior British government and intelligence officials had also told him they were convinced of ISI involvement in the embassy bombing. It is the first time the White House has openly confronted Pakistan since just after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on Washington and New York when General Pervez Musharrafís regime was told to drop its support for the Taliban or be bombed back to the Stone Age.

Musharraf agreed and went on to change the director of the ISI and build a close relationship with Bush who described him as his ìbest friendî. But many middle-ranking officers continued to hold close links with militants built up over 20 years since the Mujahideen were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan.

There were persistent reports of Pakistani territory being used for terrorist training camps and recruitment. Foreign journalists were banned from Quetta ìfor our own securityî ñ those of us who have ventured there to investigate have generally ended up arrested.

President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan has repeatedly accused Pakistan of harbouring Taliban leaders, providing lists of addresses and at one time claiming that its leader, Mullah Omar, was living in a military cantonment.

For the West, confronting Islamabad is a risky strategy as Pakistanís support is critical to the war on terrorism. Afghanistan is landlocked and much of the logistical support and food for the 53,000 Nato troops, including water for the British forces in Helmand, has to be shipped into Karachi and driven through Pakistan.

ìItís a calculated risk,î said a western diplomat in Islamabad, pointing out that Pakistan could not afford to do without US aid, which averages £1 billion a year. The military has also benefited: only last week four more F-16 fighter jets were handed over to the air force.

An open challenge to the ISI was welcomed by Nato troops operating in Afghanistan, particularly the American forces fighting in the east. For years their commanders have expressed frustration at militants coming across the border to take pot shots at them, before moving back to the sanctuary of the tribal areas. These areas are seen as the new battleground in the war on terror. Originally created by the British as a buffer between the Indian empire and Afghanistan, they stretch along Pakistanís 1,500-mile border with Afghanistan.

As the poorest and most backward part of Pakistan with a literacy rate of just 3%, but fiercely martial, they are the breeding ground for militant groups. Political parties are not allowed. As militant groups have grown in influence, local people have nowhere else to turn.

Most of the attacks on US soldiers in eastern Afghanistan are ordered by Maulvi Jalalud-din Haqqani, who operates from Miramshah in North Waziristan, and whom the United States believes to have close ties with al-Qaeda.

Neighbouring South Waziristan is dominated by Baitullah Mehsud, a former gym teacher, whose Pakistan Taliban is believed by the CIA to be responsible for the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, the former prime minister, last December.

ìThe security of Pakistan, Afghanistan, the entire region and maybe that of the whole world will be determined by developments in the tribal areas over the next few months,î said Khattak.

The United States has carried out a number of bombings and missile strikes inside the areas, although each time the key targets seem to have escaped. So concerned is the Bush administration that the ISI is tipping militants off that in January it sent two senior intelligence officials to Pakistan. Mike Mc-Connell, the director of national intelligence, and Hayden asked Musharraf to allow the CIA greater freedom to operate in the tribal areas.

Of particular US concern was the ISIís alleged involvement with Haqqani, one of its former allies, and its links to Lashkar-i-Taiba, a Punjab-based militant group, which is thought to have been behind the attack on an American outpost in Kunar last month in which nine US soldiers were killed.

Many US intelligence officials have long suspected that ISI officers accept their money and then help their foes, but it has been difficult to find proof. In June the Afghan government publicly accused the ISI of being behind an assassination attempt on Karzai in April and threatened to send their own troops into the border. But they were unable to produce any concrete evidence.

ìThe Indian embassy bombing seems to have finally provided it. This is the smoking gun weíve all been looking for,î a British official said last week. On the eve of the Washington visit, the Pakistan government tried to tame the ISI by announcing that it would henceforth come under interior ministry control. It was forced to revoke the decision within three hours after angry phone calls from the Army chief.

Malik, on behalf of the government, claimed the decision had been misinterpreted. ìWhat we were trying to do was bring national security and the war on terror under the interior ministry but it was wrongly announced,î he said.

US officials say the number of attacks on their soldiers in Afghanistan have increased by 60% since the civilian government took power this year. In a reflection of who really calls the shots, while the government party was in Washington Lieutenant-General Martin Dempsey, acting commander of Centcom, the US military command, was in Islamabad handing over F-16 fighter planes and holding meetings with the top brass. A British officer who was present at the meeting said Pakistani generals had spoken of their frustration with the civilian government: ìThey said they were still waiting for a signal to act in the tribal areas. To be honest, none of us could think of a thing they had done in six months.î
The sensitivity of the intelligence issue became clear on Friday night when Sherry Rehman, the information minister, acknowledged to journalists that the ISI might still contain pro-Taliban operatives. ìWe need to identify these people and weed them out,î she said, only to change her statement later to maintain that the problems were in the past and there would be no purge.

Pakistan ministers were particularly incensed when the United States launched a missile strike inside one of the countryís tribal areas on Monday, while the government party was still en route to Washington. ìIt was the first thing I read on my BlackBerry when I got off the plane,î said a member of the delegation. ìWhat a nice gift.î
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Pakistani Spy Unit Sustains Militants

To the Pakistan military, the US-led war against the Taliban appeared to be working against Pakistan’s strategic interests. The government of Hamid Karzai is viewed as dangerously close to India, creating a nightmare scenario for Pakistan’s army – should the Taliban be defeated, Islamabad would be encircled by Indian interests. :mrgreen:


ISLAMABAD // In May 2002, a senior officer from Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency called together two dozen commanders from Islamic militant organisations at an army base in Muzaffarabad, the capital of the Pakistani part of the disputed Kashmir region.

The extremist outfits were fighting a “jihad” against India and had for years been funded and trained by the ISI. Pakistan was using them in a proxy war with its giant neighbour and archenemy. But Pakistan came under intense international pressure to rein in the militants after they had staged daring assaults deep within India. Major Gen Khalid Mahmood of the ISI told the guerrilla leaders at the 2002 meeting that it had to stop, that the tap was being turned off. The shocked militant leaders accused Islamabad of “betrayal”.

Last week, the ISI’s role in Afghanistan, the other theatre of Pakistan’s proxy war with India, came under intense international scrutiny. In fact, the tension also overshadowed the summit of South Asian countries in Colombo on the weekend.

“There is a cold war between India and Pakistan. They say hands off Kashmir, we say hands off Afghanistan,” said Shujaat Ali Khan, a retired general who headed the internal wing of the ISI.

The ISI, Pakistan’s largest and most powerful intelligence agency, is a branch of the army and its main aims are to “contain” India and to ensure that Afghanistan does not fall into the hands of a hostile power.

In the 1990s, that standoff with India saw the ISI use extremist groups in Kashmir. The agency also backed the Taliban, who seized power in Afghanistan, on Pakistan’s other flank, in the mid-1990s. Islamabad was supposed to have dropped its support for militants after September 11 and India’s threat of war with Pakistan.

Only jihad is not something that can be turned on and off at will, as Pakistan discovered in 2002 when the Kashmiri jihadists turned their fire on their own country when the Indian outlet was cut off. By the end of that year, the guerrillas were being allowed to infiltrate India again, albeit on a smaller scale, to stop them from making trouble at home.

Similarly, in Afghanistan, the ISI could not just let go of the Taliban. To the Pakistan military, the US-led war against the Taliban appeared to be working against Pakistan’s strategic interests. The government of Hamid Karzai is viewed as dangerously close to India, creating a nightmare scenario for Pakistan’s army – should the Taliban be defeated, Islamabad would be encircled by Indian interests. It is not a case of Pakistan’s backing extremists for some religious purpose. This is a military doctrine, a secular ideology about national survival that requires Afghanistan be in “friendly” hands. And there is no civilian control over it.

Pakistan does not trust US intentions in Afghanistan. Given the apparent imperial designs of US intervention in Iraq, its presence in Afghanistan is viewed with great suspicion by Pakistan’s military and also the country’s policy establishment. :rotfl:

“There is just enough Pakistan co-operation with the US to get away with it,” said Ayesha Siddiqa, a defence analyst and author of Military Inc. “But the US agenda is not innocent either. They desire a larger role for themselves in the Muslim world.”

Pakistan has played a major role in Washington’s “war on terror”. It has arrested 500 al Qa’eda and other extremists, including most of the high-value targets that have been captured, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11 attacks among them. Pakistan also provides vital logistical support for the United States and Nato forces in landlocked Afghanistan. And, it has tolerated US missile strikes in Pakistan’s tribal territory, which runs along the Afghan border.

However, it is also playing on the other side. As well as providing some aid to the Taliban, Pakistan’s biggest help to the insurgency has been to allow its tribal belt to be used as a place for guerrillas to take refuge, train and gather supplies. Leading Afghan Taliban commanders, including the notorious veteran Jalaluddin Haqqani, are said to be based in the tribal area. Washington believes Osama bin Laden is there as well.

The ISI became the benefactors of jihadists during the “mujahideen” days of the 1980s war against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan – that time with heavy CIA backing. But the agency was never able to wean itself away from them and their descendants.

“The ISI is going to determine the destiny of Pakistan, perhaps in the near future,” said Maloy Krishna Dhar, the former joint director of India’s Intelligence Bureau. “During the Afghan jihad, so many things were created by Pakistan. Now these elements are out of control.”

So Pakistan’s military, working through the ISI, is playing an elaborate double game, a façade that the country’s critics believe was exposed in the bombing of the Indian Embassy last month in Kabul. This time, US intelligence officials claimed, in anonymous briefings last week, to have firm evidence of ISI backing for the militants who carried out the attack.

At the summit in Sri Lanka, Manmohan Singh, the Indian prime minister, said Pakistan had agreed to hold an inquiry into the Kabul embassy bombing. But yesterday, Yousaf Raza Gilani, the Pakistani prime minister, denied that any such investigation would take place. “The Indian statement is not only surprising but shocking, too,” Mr Gilani told Sri Lanka’s Sunday Leader.

Pakistan’s civilians have only theoretical control over the ISI. Mr Gilani’s recent order, which placed the ISI under the ambit of the interior ministry, had to be reversed after the army refused to accept it. He does not have the authority or the means to investigate the ISI. The agency has also played a major role in Pakistan’s domestic politics, helping to bring down two governments in the 1990s that were run by Mr Gilani’s Pakistan People’s Party. There are real concerns in PPP circles that the ISI is plotting against them once more. :((
Mr Karzai followed the regional summit with a visit to India with talks scheduled for today in New Delhi with the Indian prime minster. At the top of the agenda will be security co-operation and concerns over Pakistan’s role in Afghanistan.

Watching Mr Karzai and Mr Manmohan Singh together will only confirm the worst fears of Pakistan’s spymasters: that Afghanistan and India, with the help of the United States, are plotting to bring down Pakistan. :rotfl: :rotfl: The ISI will continue to do anything necessarily to safeguard Pakistan from this perceived terminal threat.
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My respect for Hamid Karzai went up after reading that before 9/11, he rode a mobike into Afghanistan to bury his father, who had just been assassinated by the Taliban, though he could easily have been assassinated too as he was also a target. At the time time he had no support. Brave guy. They got all the other leaders who were opposed to the Taliban after all, and whom the US did not lift a finger to help till it was too late. I still remember my horror on reading how they got Mahsud just before 9/11 and Haq also sometime around that time. Besides us, Karzai was also the only one trying to get the US to listen to his pleas to do something about the Taliban-Al Qaeda-ISI nexus, which fell on deaf years till the US began to feel the heat. So it is wholly characteristic that he continues to draw attention to the menace:
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/st ... 0080060210
Karzai links ISI to Indian Embassy attack

Ramana posted a good article from 'Pioneer" on Terrorist Rep of Pakistan (there seem to be two threads on a similar subject) thread which is relevant here.
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After “Rogue” Pakistani Nuclear Scientist, “Rogue” Pakistani Intelligence Operative we will now have “Rogue” Pakistani Diplomat enters the lexicon of giving Pakistan a free pass.

Afghanistan's National Directorate of Security says Pakistani diplomat based at Pakistan’s Kandahar Consulate gave "orders and money" to Mullah Rahmatullah, a Taliban terrorist :
Afghanistan accusing Pakistan of aiding insurgents

The Associated Press
Wednesday, August 6, 2008

KABUL, Afghanistan: Afghanistan's spy agency alleged on Wednesday that a member of Pakistan's consulate in the country's south helped a Taliban commander in his attempts to weaken the government.

The allegation will likely further strain the acrimonious relations between the two key U.S. allies in the region.

Afghanistan's National Directorate of Security said in a statement that a diplomat at the consulate in the southern Kandahar province gave "orders and money" to Mullah Rahmatullah, a Taliban militant in the region.

Rahmatullah was captured by Afghan intelligence agents on Tuesday in Kandahar city, and the information linking the official with the militants was gleaned during the questioning, the NDS said in a statement, which did not name the diplomat.

Pakistan's Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammed Sadiq declined to comment, saying he had not seen the report.

Rahmatullah was responsible for kidnappings of influential elders in the province, extortion, "guerrilla attacks and some other terroristic activities," the statement said.

"Mullah Rahmatullah tried to show that the (Afghan) Government is weak in Kandahar," the statement said.

"After the arrest, Mullah Rahmatullah confessed to his crimes and said he received orders and money for all terroristic activities and for the kidnappings from one of the members of Pakistan's consulate in Kandahar," the statement said.

Afghanistan has long accused the Pakistan spy agency of backing the Taliban-led insurgency. It also has complained repeatedly that Pakistan-based militants are crossing the border to launch terrorist attacks in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan - and, reportedly, the United States - believe Pakistan's powerful spy service, the Inter-Services Intelligence, orchestrated the July 7 bombing outside India's Embassy in Kabul that killed over 60 people, in an effort to undermine growing ties between the two countries.

Pakistan, which is suspicious of India's growing role in Afghanistan, denied the accusations.

AP via IHT
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Face to face with dangerous terrorists
Dadajabula on the Kenya-Somalia border.
The group arrested at Dadajabula is believed to have been enroute to Mogadishu from Peshawar Valley in Pakistan where they had trained in roadside bomb making and detonation by Kashmir militants.
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Kashmiri terrorists in Peshawar valley training international terrorists . . .
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SSridhar wrote:
Kashmiri terrorists in Peshawar valley training international terrorists . . .
The realiy is there are no Cashmeri terrorists who can train others in Peshawar but ISI types. So the article is trying to put TSP at the focus but not openly.
Why?

Anyone read previous articles by the authors? Sounds like Japanese in origin.
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ramana wrote:
SSridhar wrote: Kashmiri terrorists in Peshawar valley training international terrorists . . .
Sounds like Japanese in origin.
If you are drawing your conclusion from the author names of David Ochami and Mwangi Muiruri, the names are not Japanese origin.

The names are African origin, possibly Kenyan, as the paper is based there.
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OK. but why do they claim Cashmeri terrorists are training others in Peshawar? Is that how it looks from their point of view or is it their information?
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Media release by Canada’s Liberal party :
Government must address Pakistan-Taliban connection – Rae

August 5, 2008

OTTAWA – The Conservative government must clarify how it is responding to reports that Pakistan’s intelligence agency is actively working with the Taliban, Liberal Foreign Affairs Critic Bob Rae said today.

“Has the government called in Pakistan’s ambassador about this? Are Canadian military intelligence officers working with other friendly intelligence services, or are Canadians only reading about this in the newspapers?” Mr. Rae asked. “This is very serious, and Canadian lives are at stake.”

Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has long had a relationship with the Taliban, but last week reports said the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had conclusive evidence from intercepted communications that the ISI helped the Taliban plan the July 7 bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul, which killed 54 people.

American officials also said the ISI is increasingly providing militants with details of the American military campaign against them.

A key recommendation of the January report by John Manley on Canada’s role in Afghanistan was that Canada should make forceful representation to neighbours such as Pakistan to reduce security risks. Mr. Rae said the Harper government has been silent on this recommendation.

“Serious questions have been raised about the degree of control that Pakistan’s civilian government has over the ISI,” said Mr. Rae. “The evidence is now convincing that the ISI is undermining international efforts to bring stability to Afghanistan. The role of Pakistan’s ISI must be addressed, particularly as it affects the men and women in the Canadian Forces.”

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Meanwhile, away from Washington and on the ground in Afghanistan :
Pakistani intelligence complicit in Afghan violence: US general

5 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The top US commander in Afghanistan Thursday publicly accused Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate of "some complicity" over time with militant groups fomenting violence in Afghanistan.

Lieutenant General David McKiernan's comment in an interview with CNN was the most unambiguous statement yet on the matter by a senior US military officer, reflecting growing US frustration over the insurgent violence in Afghanistan.

"Do I believe that the Pakistani government must do more? I absolutely do. Do I believe there has been some complicity on the part of organizations such as the ISI over time in Pakistan, I believe there has been," McKiernan said.

His comments coincided with a political crisis in Islamabad where the ruling coalition said it will seek the impeachment of President Pervez Musharraf, the country's former military leader and long-time US ally.

And it follows reports that the CIA's number two, Steve Kappes, recently confronted the Pakistanis with evidence of ISI involvement with an insurgent network led by Jalaluddin Haqqani.

The New York Times reported last week that intercepted communications provided the Americans with clear evidence that the ISI was involved in a July 7 suicide bombing at the Indian embassy that killed about 60 people.

It has long been assumed by US officials that elements of the ISI has maintained ties with the Taliban and other militant groups it helped create to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan and the Indians in Kashmir.

But the relationship has come under greater scrutiny over the past two years as the militant threat has grown in the tribal areas, and fighters have poured out of those safe havens into Afghanistan.

"I don't believe we can get to the right outcome in Afghanistan as long as these militant sanctuaries exist across the border," McKiernan said.

"We've seen the increased numbers of foreign fighters in eastern and southern Afghanistan this year, and there is an expectation that the leadership in Pakistan will do something about these militant sanctuaries in their country," he said.

McKiernan said Al-Qaeda is heavily involved in the insurgency.

"Al-Qaeda provides financing, they help recruit fighters, they help with logistics, command and control, intelligence for the Taliban," he said.

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Being a higher than the Himalaya’s friend confers no immunity from being affected by Pakistani safe havened Islamic Jihadi terrorism.

The DNA of Islamic Jihadism does run deep in Pakistan :
Sunday, Aug. 10, 2008

A China Threat From Pakistan?

By Simon Elegant/Beijing

A second deadly attack by suspected Muslim separatists in China's far west has sparked fears that what had until very recently been a largely dormant militant insurgency, has undergone a significant revival. The August 10 bombings at multiple locations throughout the city of Kuqa in the Muslim majority Xinjiang region also heightened concern among security analysts that the recent slew of attacks has been carried out by fighters trained and equipped by jihadist groups in neighboring Pakistan.

According to official media reports, a series of 12 bombings took place at around 3 a.m. on August 10. At one blast site, attackers drove an explosives-packed tricycle into the courtyard of a police station. Government buildings, a bank and a shopping center were also targeted, killing a total of 10 assailants, a security guard, and injuring several others in an attack of unprecedented scale for China.

Clearly aimed to take advantage of the publicity surrounding the Beijing Olympics, the attack was the second to strike the region in less than a week. On August 3, Chinese media reported that two men had driven a stolen truck into a group of border police recruits, killing 16 and wounding a similar number before being apprehended. The ferocious attack, which included the attackers setting off home made grenades and hacking the recruits with knives, was the first against a government target since the early 1990s. In 1997, nine died when bombs attributed to separatists exploded on two public buses in the regional capital, Urumqi. But although there have been sporadic protests against Chinese rule by the ethnic Uighurs who make up the majority of Xinjiang's population since then, analysts say that Beijing's increasingly tight control of all aspects of daily life in the region, including the appointment of clerics at mosques and vetting of educational curriculums, was assumed to have effectively wiped out the separatist threat.

The new attacks signal a major change in the nature of Uighur resistance to Chinese rule, says Rohan Gunaratna of the Singapore-based International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research. "Although the Chinese have been capable of disrupting groups operating inside the country, these new attackers are trained and equipped outside, and come into China to carry out operations. This is a new capability that Chinese security forces have to deal with and they are finding it difficult." Gunaratna and others estimate that around 40 fighters from Xinjiang have been training in camps in the virtually lawless tribal areas of Pakistan, working with and under the sponsorship of groups that have direct links to both al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Two videos have been released in recent weeks by a group calling itself the Turkestan Islamic Party, which threatened attacks on the Olympics and took credit for explosions on buses in Shanghai and the southern province of Yunnan in recent months that left five dead. Chinese officials have denied the bus explosions are connected to the Xinjiang separatist movement, and some analysts are also skeptical of the claims. Though exact relationships are murky at best, the TIP is believed to be the military arm of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, which Beijing has identified as posing the single greatest threat of terrorism to the Games.

Gunaratna predicts the August 10 Kuqa attacks are just the beginning. "For the moment the heightened security because of the Olympics is stopping them from attacking in Beijing so they will strike elsewhere in Xinjiang and China," he says. "This new threat is enduring and will continue long after the Olympics are over."

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The Pakistani support for the ETIM Uighurs has been there for a long time. Pakistan was running two terror training camps outside Islamabad and one of the presumed conditions under which Pakistan was admitted into the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) was that Pakistan would put down terror against China. The other outfit East Turkistan Liberation Organization (ETLO), which is dormant now, used to send its recruits for induction into terrorim to training camps in PoK. After attending the the first SCO meeting after admission into it, Pervez Musharraf promptly dismantled these two terrorist training camps in circa 2006. Pervez Musharraf openly admitted in a televised national speech that Uighur separatists were found in Waziristan. The local Taliban and jihadi organizations have killed many Chinese within Pakistan. In circa 2001, Pakistani Army eliminated 19 Uighurs. They then killed Hassan Mehsum, head of ETIM. They also arrested Ismail Kader, a top Uighur terrorist, and handed him over to China.

Though Pakistan took care to ensure that its sponsorship of Afghan jihad did not spill over into Xinjiang, there are reports that the ISI helped ETIM in the 90s to take root. In early 2008, Chinese ambassador in Pakistan openly spoke about difficulties in relationship between the two countries because of support for ETIM within Pakistan.
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SSridhar, is the ETIM same as the Turkestan Islamic Party refered to above? I mean may be its the Anglicised name? We need to start collecting all these numerous names.

Actually islamist ideology does not allow for any taller than mountians friends. They will bite the hand that feeds them once thye gain confidence. despinte all the high ranking US generals and even the President making remarks the TSP and in particular the TSPA know there wont be any action that hurts them. Talk never did hurt them. So it will be business as usual. When the threatening increase they let another #3 loose to satiate the GOAT.
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ramana wrote:SSridhar, is the ETIM same as the Turkestan Islamic Party refered to above? I mean may be its the Anglicised name? We need to start collecting all these numerous names.

Actually islamist ideology does not allow for any taller than mountians friends. They will bite the hand that feeds them once thye gain confidence. despinte all the high ranking US generals and even the President making remarks the TSP and in particular the TSPA know there wont be any action that hurts them. Talk never did hurt them. So it will be business as usual. When the threatening increase they let another #3 loose to satiate the GOAT.
Ramana, it appears that the two are the same. ETIM was banned after 2001 by the US as a FTO and like all Pakistani tanzims that morphed into another name, ETIM also probably did so.

You are absolutely right about the frontierless Islam. If we closely follow who says what, we will see that it is the Generals and the non-Islamic-Party politicians, like those of the PPP & PML, who utter these meaningless gibbersih. The Islamist political parties, sympathetic to the causes of worldwide Islamists, like JI, JuI etc. do not speak about friendship in those terms.
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Dang! 3 days into the Olympics and only one violent death. The security must be real good - what did they do? Throw all the Pakis out?
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By its own admission
Uzbekistan and Tajikistan have been targeted by “Islamist” groups turned violent with outside help coming mostly from Afghanistan and Pakistan
In Pakistan and Bangladesh, a growing trend in favour of “Islamism” reflects sympathy for the terrorists groups. In both cases, the military has been dominating the political system and the terrorists lean to the convenient strategy of becoming a part of the struggle for democratisation. Thus two trends conjoin to form a prodigious political force in favour of the consolidation of the terrorist groups. It is an irony that in Pakistan the man who fought the terrorists, President Pervez Musharraf, is being impeached while an ascendant Al Qaeda, which should have been on the run, puts forward its own charge sheet to supplement the one being brought up in parliament against him.
While editorially discussing terrorism in Asia, Najam Sethi dismisses the effects of terror in India with just one sentence. He knows that it will be too unpalatable for him to elaborate on the Pakistani sponsorship. Pakistan, as a whole nation, stands accused of terrorism, just not ISI or a few officials here and there.
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The Pakistanis have their snout and trotters well embedded into the trough of terrorism in Afghanistan:
08/12/2008 02:19 PM

INTERVIEW WITH THE HEAD OF AFGHANISTAN'S SECRET SERVICE

'Piles and Piles of Evidence' that Pakistan Is Responsible for Insurgency

In a SPIEGEL interview, Amrullah Saleh -- the head of the National Directorate of Security (NDS), Afghanistan's domestic intelligence agency -- discusses Pakistan's role in the Taliban insurgency and recent terror attacks against German soldiers.

SPIEGEL: Mr. Saleh, is it possible the Taliban could win with its insurgency in Afghanistan?

Saleh: We have a lot of security problems, there is a lot of violence. But this is a violence unleashed with the help of Pakistan. They want to pull the brakes on us in order to hinder the coming elections. Afghanistan itself is not the source of the problem.

SPIEGEL: Who are these fighters who are not only killing Afghan and Western security forces, but also predominantly innocent civilians? And who is deploying them?

Saleh: The tribal agencies of Pakistan, like Bajaur and North and South Waziristan, are kept by the government as a strategic pool of fighters. From there, fundamentalist warriors are sent to fight in Afghanistan or elsewhere.

SPIEGEL: So you're saying the government in Islamabad has absolutely no intention of putting a stop to this militant movement?

Saleh: The international community has often asked them to stop allowing fighters to infiltrate into (Afghanistan) from the tribal areas. The answer from Pakistan is that they do not control the situation. When the Americans offered to fight the fighters themselves, the Pakistanis rejected them, saying you can’t go in, we are a sovereign state. The true reason behind this is that Islamabad is providing the militant groups wiith ammunition and training.

SPIEGEL: What is Pakistan seeking to achieve?

Saleh: It has always tried to make sure that Afghanistan remain on the level of a backward country, as well as to isolate us and hinder any kind of contact with the West. In the 1980s, when the mujahedeen were fighting against the Soviet occupiers, Pakistan had considerable influence over large parts of Afghan politics and Islamic Pakistan sought to establish its hegemony in the region. But now we are back, we are building up our country, we are unified and we are working to strengthen our sense of national pride. That makes our neighbors nervous.

SPIEGEL: Pakistan has feared its ability to hold itself together as a nation since its very founding. And even today, Afghanistan refuses to recognize the disputed border, the Durand Line. Wouldn’t that step move Afghanistan closer to peace with Pakistan?

Saleh: We have never crossed that line.

SPIEGEL: What proof do you have that the government in Pakistan is behind the attacks in Afghanistan?

Saleh: In 2008 alone, according to our very conservative estimate, the Taliban have probably fired 30 million rounds from their Kalashnikovs. Where did they get their weapons and munitions? Can you go to Russia or China today and say, "Hey, I'm a member of the Taliban, please send hundreds of AK-47s and weapons to my village." Is that possible? No. It's the Pakistani army that is providing them.

SPIEGEL: Those are serious accusations.

Saleh: It is a fact. The Pakistani army is a very disciplined force, and I respect that. And there are no rogue elements in the army as is often claimed.

SPIEGEL: Who are the masterminds behind the scenes?

Saleh: How much patience do you have? The army leadership and the Pakistani establishment. We have piles and piles of evidence to support this.

SPIEGEL: Do you have details?

Saleh: For years we discretely passed intelligence information about training camps, addresses, telephone numbers and names of terrorists groups on to Pakistan. But they didn’t act. There was no meaningful response. We have arrested many suicide bombers shortly before they could kill themselves and others. They frankly told us how they have been trained in Pakistsan and by whom.

SPIEGEL: Can you cite some examples?

Saleh: In Khost we arrested a man just a few minutes before he was able complete his mission. He was trained by a commander named Nazir in Wana in the tribal areas. Just before, the Pakistani government had signed peace deal with the same commander and only short time later he sent a truckload of suicide bombers to kill international forces. The Pakistanis have always claimed they couldn't find Commander Nazir. But how did he sign the peace deal then? Did they e-mail him?

SPIEGEL: But that’s not proof that Islamabad is commanding the insurgency. Is it possible that Pakistan perhaps long ago lost control over the border areas?

Saleh: Nobody lost control. Pakistan is staging controlled chaos in order to undermine Afghanistan's development. The Pakistani army is very strong and when the government has achieved its aim, it will immediately take control again of the tribal areas.

SPIEGEL: In northern Afghanistan German soldiers are getting attacked increasingly often. Last week a suicide bomber blew himself up in an attack that took place between Kunduz and Pul-i-Khumri. How are these attacks that are taking place far from the border to Pakistan organized?

Saleh: Terrorist elements are ordering Afghans to attack our army units and ISAF convoys or to burn schools. The perpetrators make videos to prove what they have done and once they provide this proof, they are rewarded with money from Pakistan. In the Kunduz area, the plotters of these acts are the Taliban commanders Mullah Rustam and Mullah Salam. Both are Afghans, but they live with their families in Pakistan. If the two would be permanently in Afghanistan, we would have caught or killed them or brought them to justice. Here’s another example: Why is the Taliban commander of Ghormach ...

SPIEGEL: ... a hard-fought district on the edge of the area under German command in the north ...

Saleh: ... whose name is Abdul Rahman Haqqani, currently being given medical treatment at a hospital in Peshawar after he was heavily wounded in recent fighting? Why? It's because Pakistan is his base.

SPIEGEL: Despite the many battles taking place in the country, the election campaign is starting to heat up in Afghanistan. In 2009, the next president will be elected. Which candidate has the greatest prospects, and will he be able to deliver greater security?

Saleh: It's too early to say. I only know that this government with Hamid Karzai has succeeded in achieving the country's reunification. But now we are intermixing modern institutions with traditional structures and we face a number of problems moving forward. But a consolidation is possible, even if the West sometimes doubts that.

SPIEGEL: And you, as the head of the intelligence service are still optimistic despite all these worries?

Saleh: Despite all the counter-attacks, we are experiencing the ressurrection of Afghanistan, and that is something magnificent.

Interview conducted by Susanne Koelbl.

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arun, thanks for posting that.

I have listened to a few interviews on TV by Saleh. I have a lot of respect for him. The above confirms that.

From the above,
Saleh: It is a fact. The Pakistani army is a very disciplined force, and I respect that. And there are no rogue elements in the army as is often claimed. {That's what many are triving to emphasize. All the attacks, terror attacks, wars, skirmishes etc are planned by all those in power. It goes back to 1947 when Jinnah is reputed to have said "I don't want to hear what you do in Kashmir. Just go ahead with whatever you are doing". Even in Kargil, contrary to popular misperception, the operation did have the overall approval of Nawaz. Shuja Nawaz in his latest book confirms that}

Saleh: In Khost we arrested a man just a few minutes before he was able complete his mission. He was trained by a commander named Nazir in Wana in the tribal areas. Just before, the Pakistani government had signed peace deal with the same commander and only short time later he sent a truckload of suicide bombers to kill international forces. The Pakistanis have always claimed they couldn't find Commander Nazir. But how did he sign the peace deal then? Did they e-mail him? :lol:

Saleh: Nobody lost control. Pakistan is staging controlled chaos in order to undermine Afghanistan's development. The Pakistani army is very strong and when the government has achieved its aim, it will immediately take control again of the tribal areas. {This is something we need to take seriously and examine if this is indeed true. This could mean that the Emirate is being setup and expanded with complete Pakistani acquiescence in it}

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SSridhar, You should x-post the comments in the many TSP threads.


But I thought it was understood among the cognoscenti on the Forum that FARTASTAN is a TSPA jihadi operation. They couldnt find strategic depth in Afghanistan so they have created it in FATA which is under Presidential control and Mushy is the President. All this wringing hands and sending FC to man the posts is a charade. That is for uncle to see how they need more aid.

Recall TSPA motto. The strategic depth sought now is for safeguarding the ideology of Paksitan and not just the maal.
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ramana wrote: But I thought it was understood among the cognoscenti on the Forum that FARTASTAN is a TSPA jihadi operation.
That's the distinction that Amanuallah Saleh is making. It is not TSPA alone. Everyone is on board. It is like that neat drama that Nawaz played about Kargil. It is about that drama BB used to play whenever she wanted her Western benefactors to hear moderate and modern thoughts from a Pakistani leader. The Pakis are adept at this and it goes a long way back to Jinnah, Suhrawardy et al.

I used to think that the 'strategic depth' idea had misfired after circa 2003 and somehow Pakistan is fast becoming a 'reverse strategic depth' for the Taliban/Al Qaeda group. Saleh is saying otherwise.
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Also then it would seem that the pakistanis are continuing to support the Uhigur movement at a low level, saving up for that rainy day, getting more leverage into China.
From the ISI's POV, 9-11 was a very successful operation, and it brought pakistan back into favoured curry with the US. There is no reason the same could not be done with china.
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How perfectly they walk in the footsteps of their ...

The Indian Mujahideen issued no manifesto before that. Their recently e-mail calls on Hindus to "realise that the falsehood of your 33 crore dirty mud idols and the blasphemy of your deaf, dumb, mute and naked idols of Ram, Krishna and Hanuman are not at all going to save your necks from being slaughtered by our hands." It demands that Hindus change their attitudes, lest "another Ghouri shakes your foundations, and lest another Ghaznavi massacres you, proving your blood to be the cheapest of all mankind."

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Re: Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism: 25 May 2007

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Foreign Policy and the Center for American Progress have released this years “Terrorism Index”

Pakistan naturally has an appropriately titled section all to itself :rotfl: :
The Breeding Ground

Pakistan seems to be moving from bad to worse. With the assassination of former
Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, the ousting of President Pervez Musharraf’s ruling party in the February elections, and a string of deadly terrorist attacks, the country has been beset with instability during the past year.

For a majority of the experts, that instability is making Pakistan a country fraught with risk. A large majority, 69 percent, of the experts considers Pakistan the country most likely to transfer nuclear technology to terrorists. A year ago, 35 percent of the experts said that Pakistan was the country most likely to serve as al Qaeda’s next home base. Now more than half share this fear.

The index’s experts are not impressed with how the United States is attempting to address this challenge. They give U.S. policy toward Pakistan a score of just 3.7 on a 10-point scale. Sixty-six percent believe that U.S. policy toward Pakistan is having a negative impact on America’s national security, an increase of 13 points from a year ago. The highest percentage of experts says that, over the long term, correcting course will require the United States to support efforts to integrate the tribal areas into the rest of Pakistan, to increase U.S. development assistance, and to condition U.S. aid on Islamabad’s willingness to confront militants.

But if the experts agree on what is needed in the long term, there is almost no consensus about what to do if the United States must act quickly. Asked if the United States should take military action in Pakistan if there is a chance to capture or kill high-ranking members of al Qaeda, assuming Islamabad has not given the ok, 65 percent of the experts say they are unsure which course of action is correct. In a country so volatile, there appear to be more dangers than

See Page 4 for Pakistan
Also recommended for reading is the survey result of “experts” which naturally is peppered with references to Pakistan.

Two from among the many references to Pakistan :

Pakistan is rated as the country most likely to transfer nuclear technology to terrorists (Q10) and also rated by far as the country most likely to become the next Al Qaeda stronghold (Q11).

In Q10 do note mention of India :roll: .

See here for the survey of “experts” results :

Survey Results


The opening page for viewing the report in its entirety is here:

Terrorism index
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