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Acharya wrote:
Bharati wrote:What could be the purpose of inviting Sonia Gandhi to the Olympics while completely ignoring the President? Okay one could say they know where the epicenter of power is, but is there something more that what meets the eye?
PRC is doing what it is being told by Uncle regarding India.
They go to Uncle to figure out Indian leadership
You crack me up with all your conspiracy theories involving unkils and aunties.

IIRC, the host country doesn't invite anyone for ceremony, its Olympic committee of respective countries which invites the dignitaries to the Olympic opening ceremony. It is not hard to figure out who Suresh kalmadi would invite.

MMS in his own words have said/admited several times that he is an accidental politician and a selected PM. He didn't even bother to get into Lok Sabha since he realizes people don't vote for congress because of him but because of Sonia Gandhi and that ain’t gonna change just because he sits in Lok sabha instead of rajya Sabha. SG has given him a lot of support to do things his way and MMS has always understood that the real political power from people flows to Sonia not to him. Why bring that same thing again and again in every thread on every issue.

It is a travesty of our nation that a large chunk of adult voters will vote for congress if it is led by anyone with last name as Gandhi
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acharya and bharati, check the understanding chinese thread, modalities of olympic invites are explained there.
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BEIJING, Aug. 12 -- Three security officials were killed at a roadside checkpoint in western China's Xinjiang region Tuesday when at least one assailant jumped off a passing vehicle and stabbed them to death, state media reported. It was third deadly incident in nine days, coinciding with the opening of the Olympic Games in Beijing.

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Katare wrote:
You crack me up with all your conspiracy theories involving unkils and aunties.

IIRC, the host country doesn't invite anyone for ceremony, its Olympic committee of respective countries which invites the dignitaries to the Olympic opening ceremony. It is not hard to figure out who Suresh kalmadi would invite.

MMS in his own words have said/admited several times that he is an accidental politician and a selected PM. He didn't even bother to get into Lok Sabha since he realizes people don't vote for congress because of him but because of Sonia Gandhi and that ain’t gonna change just because he sits in Lok sabha instead of rajya Sabha. SG has given him a lot of support to do things his way and MMS has always understood that the real political power from people flows to Sonia not to him. Why bring that same thing again and again in every thread on every issue.

It is a travesty of our nation that a large chunk of adult voters will vote for congress if it is led by anyone with last name as Gandhi
What you have described is internal to India. What has that got to do with China. They deal with the elected party in the govt. But the main event is the memorandum signed between the Congress youth party and the chinese youth organization. This is significant. Probably Congress party initiated this
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Another example to show that everything that glitters in China is not Gold !


China Olympic ceremony star mimed
A pretty girl who won national fame after singing at the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games was only miming.

Wearing a red dress and pigtails, Lin Miaoke charmed a worldwide audience with a rendition of "Ode to the Motherland".

But the singer was Yang Peiyi, who was not allowed to appear because she is not as "flawless" as nine-year-old Lin.

The show's musical director said Lin was used because it was in the best interests of the country.

The revelation follows news that a fireworks display used during the opening ceremony was apparently faked.
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Olympic Fireworks Faked For TV
Stunned viewers thought they were watching the string of fireworks filmed from above by a helicopter.

But in reality they were watching a 3D graphics sequence that took almost a year to produce.

It even included a 'camera shake' to mimic the effect of filming from a helicopter.

The dupe was revealed by China's Beijing Times. Speaking to the paper, the man responsible for the animation said he was pleased with the result.

"Seeing how it worked out, it was still a bit too bright compared to the actual fireworks," Gao Xiaolong told the newspaper.

"But most of the audience thought it was filmed live - so that was mission accomplished."

The designers even added some haziness to simulate the polluted Beijing skyline.

Broadcasters around the world had no choice but to show the footage because it all came from one feed provided by Beijing Olympic Broadcasting - the organisation responsible for filming the games.

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Empty seats a concern for Chinese:Olympic organisers use volunteers to bolster attendances
Olympic organisers admitted today that they are using volunteers to fill swathes of empty seats at competition venues as concerns grow at the failure of ticket holders to attend events.

Despite claims from the Beijing organising committee (Bocog) that all 6.8m tickets for the Games have been sold and confident predictions of full houses at every event, the first three days of competition have seen spaces available at most venues.

There have also been large numbers of yellow-shirted "cheerleaders" present at some events, recruited to create an atmosphere and to prevent the embarrassing spectacle of empty seats appearing on television.
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They havent learnt to spin yet. They could have said the fake fireworks where their green contribution and an effort at smoke reduction and pollution.
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ramana wrote:They havent learnt to spin yet. They could have said the fake fireworks where their green contribution and an effort at smoke reduction and pollution.
ramana they fired real fireworks and caused a lot of air polluton in beijing but showed fake images to tv viewers. they cant give a positive spin to it.
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Avinash R wrote:
ramana wrote:They havent learnt to spin yet. They could have said the fake fireworks where their green contribution and an effort at smoke reduction and pollution.
ramana they fired real fireworks and caused a lot of air polluton in beijing but showed fake images to tv viewers. they cant give a positive spin to it.

Guys, please wait. I am already 7 or 8 down on a top 10 face loss list. Unless of course the immediate future events will tip over the previous 7 or 8 I have collected so far. Have to advertize the sports thread here for thats the place for this stuff :mrgreen:. The no 1 I am looking for will happen soon, so I am not bursting the balloon yet. :rotfl: I also have an axe to grind and bust some of BRawman garu's myths on saag. In due course..
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Chinese media blackout on faked Olympic ceremony saga
Beijing, AFP:
China enforced a media blackout on the saga of the faked Olympic opening ceremony song on Wednesday and all references to the story were removed from Chinese Internet sites.
No newspaper reported on the issue today and state broadcasters also avoided the subject. References to the story were blocked or deleted from the Internet.
China's media is under the control of the central government which also tightly polices the Internet and often deletes or blocks access to items considered unflattering to the country's leaders or hostile to national interests.

The song saga may have embarrassed the nation's top leaders after the musical director Chen Qigang revealed that a member of communist party's ruling politburo was behind the decision to fake the performance.

He said in an interview with a state broadcaster that the actual singer of the song, Yang, was not considered attractive enough to appear on stage, so the cuter Lin was selected instead.
China's ministry of industry and information technology, which is in charge of the Internet in China, declined to comment on the issue on Wednesday.
"We know nothing about this," said a ministry official, declining to give her name.
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"Civilians are often arrested, violently tortured to the point where they die. It's really very, very sad," he said.

The Dalai Lama said on Saturday China was mistreating and torturing civilians in Tibet while the Olympic Games were going on.

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BEIJING (AFP) – Beijing's China Ethnic Culture Park features what it calls "precise re-creations" of life for all China's 56 ethnic groups, but one thing seems in short supply: actual ethnic minorities.

"There are no Uighurs here," said a Han Chinese security guard in the forlorn-looking section devoted to that restive Muslim ethnicity from western China's Xinjiang region.

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BEIJING (AP) - Chinese customs officials confiscated more than 300 Bibles on Sunday from four American Christians who arrived in a southwestern city with plans to distribute them, the group's leader said.

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"To prevent potentially embarrassing protests inside Tibet, China has turned large parts of Tibet into a virtual prison for the duration of the Games," Matt Whitticase, spokesman for the Free Tibet Campaign, said in a statement.

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The 2008 Olympics has created an illusion of China to the public and to the outside world. It is so fantastic, so unreal, that the entire meaning of the games is being distorted. At the opening ceremony we saw this global festival manipulated for the sake of narrow nationalism.

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Why China Sentences 70-Year-Olds

If anyone needs an example of how brittle China's Communist Party leaders think their country is, look no further than the case of Wang Xiuying and Wu Dianyuan. The elderly women, who both walk with canes and have failing eyesight, were sentenced to serve one-year terms in a labor camp after they applied to hold a legal protest in Beijing. And if you think there was no method to this madness, that it's somehow the fault of some random thug in the Ministry of Public Security, I'd caution you to think again.

Wang and Wu wanted to protest because they believe they did not receive sufficient compensation when their homes were flattened to make way for redevelopment in Beijing. Their complaint is probably the most common type of problem faced by average Chinese who happen to live in the way of their country's economic juggernaut. Over the last several decades, Chinese researchers estimate that more than 100 million Chinese have lost their homes to redevelopment plans and many of them were tossed out with scant recompense.

So when Wang and Wu heard that, with the Olympics, authorities in Beijing had set aside special protest zones in three parks, they applied. Not once but four times. On the fourth time, they were detained and then sentenced -- by the cops, not a judge -- to a labor camp. (They haven't been incarcerated yet but will if they violate various provisions or regulations.) [note: Some people commenting on this piece think they might have been sentenced because they allegedly set off firecrackers outside the party's headquarters at Zhongnanhai, but as far as I can determine the firecracker incident occurred -- if at all -- more than a year ago in a failed attempt to get some attention and that they were busted this time because of their sheer cussedness.]

To me, the granny case sums up the conundrum that is China, today. Here you have this amazing country that has lifted millions out of poverty, that has sported a world-beating growth rate over the last 15 years, that is exploring space, dominating the art world and now the Olympics. And how do they treat grandmas who want a little extra cash for their homes? They toss 'em in jail. Chairman Mao said "in order to make an omelet, you've got to break a few eggs." But, man, two ladies in their 70s?

So on one hand we have confident China. On the other a party-state that views even geriatrics as "disturbers of the public order."

Now, China enthusiasts will argue that, there must be a mistake, or this was obviously the action of a thuggish cop who must have gone too far, or perhaps it's the fault of a dreaded "conservative faction" of the party in the parlance of Chinese political tea-leaf readers. I'd say, however, the grandma case is completely consistent with CCP standard operating procedure; it's not an anomaly. Here's why.

By setting up the protests zones, the party has done something it's never really done before. It's told its people that protesting is legal and here are the places you can do it. Yes, 47 applications were received, 44 from Chinese, and, according to the official New China News Agency, 44 people withdrew their applications after their problems were miraculously solved! (Several others were banned from applying; I guess Wang and Wu fell into that category.)

But as the Olympics wind down, the party is looking to the future, completely aware of how, for example, the Seoul Olympics in 1988 spurred change in that Asian Tiger. It has to send a signal to people that it won't tolerate threats to "stability" and that if they think the Olympics are heralding a new era of freedom, they'd better think again. The party also has to inform its people that the protest application process cuts both ways; it might open the way to air long-repressed grievances, but it also can be used by the security services to ferret out dissidents and toss them in the hoosegow -- a Communist tactic since the Hundred Flowers movement and before. What better way to accomplish these two goals than by sentencing two old ladies to jail? In one fell swoop you show others with grievances just how low you will go. It's the madman theory of Chinese domestic politics. And Wang and Wu are the victims.

Finally, however, in sentencing the pair, the cops gave themselves an out. The two aren't in a labor camp now and could stay out of jail if they "behave," which probably means stop talking to Western journalist and confine themselves to their new homes. But the party has put Chinese malcontents on notice. We should take notice as well.


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The Beijing-based bank "knowingly assisted Hamas and the Islamic Jihad," the lawsuit alleged.

The lawsuit filed last Thursday by victims of terrorism in Israel accused the bank of putting through dozens of wire transfers totalling several million dollars to Hamas and Islamic Jihad and ignoring Israeli demands to stop the practice. The lawsuit said the money helped to finance attacks between 2004 and 2007.

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China's betrayal at the NSG by M.D. Nalapat: UPI Asia Online
Manipal, India — Officials in New Delhi are now uncertain as to who runs China. They had been assured by both President Hu Jintao as well as Prime Minister Wen Jiabao that China would back the U.S. move for a waiver on prohibition of nuclear trade with India. However, to the surprise of those who had thought that the duo had control over China's administrative machinery, the country's delegation at the September 4-6 waiver parleys at the Nuclear Suppliers Group meeting in Vienna were active in encouraging some European countries and New Zealand to block the move.

In closed-door sessions, the Chinese delegation was open in its opposition to the waiver, demanding that a similar deal ought to be offered to any state that sought to develop its nuclear energy sector, including Pakistan and Iran. When it became clear by the afternoon of September 5 that the ceaseless diplomatic pressure being exerted by the Bush administration was grinding down the resistance of Ireland, Austria, New Zealand and Switzerland, the Chinese team sought an indefinite postponement of the proceedings "in order to study the draft of the waiver text". When this was shot down, they walked out of the hall, refusing to be present when the NSG unanimously approved the India-US nuclear deal

Even the Indian Ministry of External Affairs, usually too terrified to utter more than a few anodyne phrases at any provocation, summoned up hitherto non-existent reserves of courage to complain to the visiting Chinese foreign minister, Yang Jiechi, about the lack of good faith shown in Vienna by the Chinese delegation. Predictably, on the lines of similar statements concerning the immense Chinese assistance to North Korea and Pakistan in their nuclear and missile programs, Yang ignored the evidence to the contrary and blandly asserted that his country had adopted a "constructive" line in Vienna, a stand that was immediately condemned as a lie by the Indian media.

Clearly, by showing that the word of President Hu and Premier Wen mean nothing, China has lost what little trust it had among policy circles in India. Barring the Communist parties, which are unabashed in defending Beijing's interest against all comers, all other political groups have condemned the Chinese effort to scuttle the NSG waiver at the Vienna meeting. However, they got no help from the International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohammed El-Baradei, who has from the start been an enthusiastic supporter of getting India into the NSG tent rather than watching it remain on the outside, with the potential to proliferate and abandon its consistent adherence to international norms since 1974.

Interestingly, despite Moscow's sharp differences with the U.S., the Russian delegation proved as enthusiastic as the U.S., France and the United Kingdom in backing the deal, to the surprise of the Chinese, who had warned them in private that passage of the deal would strengthen Indo-U.S. ties and therefore by implication dilute the numerous strategic linkages between Russia and India. President Medvedev arrives by year-end in New Delhi, and it is expected that both sides will sign a "123" agreement similar to that which has been agreed upon by the U.S. Next in line is France, which expects its own nuclear deal with India to be signed before the middle of 2009.

The one remaining hurdle is the U.S. Congress, where a small group of Europeanists are livid at a third world country being given the privileges of those belonging to the developed world. Led by Representative Howard Berman, this anti-India faction can be expected to block congressional approval of the India-U.S. 123 agreement, to silent cheers from China.

Should Berman and his friends succeed, the U.S. would be the loser because it would thereby block itself from trade with India, leaving a clear field for Russia and France. In this election year, it is unlikely that the Democratic Party will jeopardize the 1.3 million votes of the Indian-American community in the U.S. by opposing the deal. Should the Democrats rally behind Berman and torpedo the deal, Indian-Americans are likely to listen more carefully to the numerous pro-India statements coming out of the McCain campaign, although at present six out of ten favor Barack Obama.

By trying to incite other countries to block the nuclear trade waiver while allowing itself to pass the NSG unanimously, China has earned the contempt of the robust (and largely India-phobic) non-proliferation community with which it had built up significant (and manifold) links over the four decades of their existence. :rotfl: Beijing has also angered New Delhi showing that its word cannot be taken seriously including a promise by President Hu. :shock:

Indeed, some analysts are worried that the behavior of the Chinese delegation at the NSG indicates that the Jiang Zemin group still controls the Foreign Ministry and perhaps even the PLA. For it is unknown that this group was implacably opposed to allowing a nuclear waiver for India, while the Hu Jintao group took a more pragmatic line that stressed the need for compromise as a way of ensuring better ties with China's giant neighbor to the south. In Vienna, the Jiang Zemin followers carried the day to the detriment of Sino-Indian relations. :eek:

Even the communist parties in India are silent, wary of the negative public reaction if they once again attempt to whitewash Beijing's numerous actions directed against the emergence of India. :lol: Clearly, the Chinese Communist Party is rattled by the new tiger :twisted: , and would like to hobble India before it joins China on the mountaintop.

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(Professor M.D. Nalapat is vice-chair of the Manipal Advanced Research Group, UNESCO Peace Chair, and professor of geopolitics at Manipal University. ©Copyright M.D. Nalapat.)
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Suraj wrote:In the early pages of the PRC political news and discussions thread (which was created after a brief discussion on the subject involving Johann, myself and a few others) there are several posts covering the CPC (moderates) vs PLA (extremists) faction. Hu isn't necessarily entirely within the CPC faction, but is somewhat a 'dovish hardliner', while Zemin was a hardliner (recall the anecdote of him telling Chirac how he'll 'crush India', with handsqueezing gesture included.

The extremists faction lost out their primacy after Mao's demise, and particularly over the course of Deng's reign. However, the two factions had some kind of an agreement going, where the PLA faction gets its say on contentious matters and play the 'bad cop', though there are times when differences between them come to the fore. However, the opaque nature of Chinese political intrigue makes it hard to see how the dynamics are.

While the moderates see the benefit of growing trade ties with India, the extremists are out and out anti India. There are several fissures in their polity that are worth exploring in the PRC political thread:
* Who are the moderates in the US-India deal subject, and who are the extremists, both the current and older generation ones.
* Understanding Zemin's insecurity and thirst for a legacy, and how it motivates his actions. A lot of credit for the Chinese economic boom in his days goes to Deng and to Zhu Rongji, his Premier, instead of to him.
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Party Time for PRC
The party mood of the Beijing Summer Olympic Games over, China is now preparing to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the economic reforms that have transformed the country and made it the world's industrial dynamo, an event that may mark the start of reforms of a quite different nature

In 1978, the 11th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) held its third plenary session in Beijing from December 18 to 22. Deng Xiaoping, who had just made his third and last political comeback, delivered a keynote speech calling on officials and party members to "emancipate minds" . With that slogan, Deng sought to urge officials to break the ideological shackles of Maoist dogmas and the socialist command economy of the previous three decades and change their mindsets to embrace capitalist-style economic reforms.

The meeting endorsed Deng as virtually the top leader of the party though officially he was only one of its "vice chairmen". It also took up his ideas of reform and opening up of the economy as the party line, marking the party plenum as a milestone in the country's history.

The highlight of the celebrations marking the plenum's anniversary in December is expected to be a speech by President Hu Jintao calling for further "emancipation of minds" in order to advance the course started by Deng. ( Hu may also like to follow in footsteps of Deng to be endorsed as top leader by pushing further back the Shanghai faction . Hu was sort of Deng Protege but his background is from CYL ,a first for a PRC leader whereas all previous ones had PLA link . CYL was creation of Mao and was the spear-tip during Cultural Revolution . We can say Hu is more of a hardliner than a moderate although more in touch with reality for years being spent in backyards of China )

While major policy principles for deepening reforms are expected to be announced by Hu personally, remarks by senior officials recently hint strongly that changes in the current political and social systems are inevitable if economic reforms are to be advanced further. Yet such "political reforms", as they are called in China, are in fact aimed at consolidating the party's dictatorship rather than at weakening it in favor of multi-party democracy longed for by some pro-democracy activities at home and abroad.

A pointer to the shape of future changes came recently in the form of explicit remarks about "political reforms" by Zhang Chunxian, the CCP head of Hunan province.

At a televised conference of Hunan officials on August 31 held to mobilize a province-wide campaign for further "emancipation of minds", Zhang said reforms in the past 30 years had focused on how "to return li [economic interests] to the people". The focus now would be on how "to return quan to the people" , with efforts devoted to "developing socialist democratic politics". The Chinese word quan has a double meaning and could refer to rights or (political) power or both.

"To return interests to the people" is a brilliant summary of the economic reforms of the past three decades, for their main aim has been to privatize economic interests that had been entirely monopolized by the state under the socialist command economy.
Zhang himself (probably deliberately) failed to further clarify what he meant by "to return quan to the people", which is open to different interpretations due to the double meaning of quan. From the context of his speech, he may have been hinting at giving back people some of their rights and power.

Quan could mean the right to own or ownership. Chinese can now own many things, but not land. To maintain the banner of "socialism", the government still claims that all land and natural resources belong to the state. In practice, when one buys a house or an apartment, the purchaser only rents from the state the right to use the land on which the property is built for a certain period (for residential housing, normally 75 years).

Farmers, too, only "rent" the right to use farmland from the state through the "household contract responsibility system" (normally 30-year contract). Local governments can at any time take back farmland "on behalf of the state", and requisition from farmers without adequate compensation has been the main cause for large protests in recent years.

"To return quan to the people" could therefore mean some changes in the land management system. But it is unlikely that China is ready to privatize land ownership because this would mean abandoning the banner of "socialism with Chinese characteristics".


It may not be coincidental that on September 8, barely one week after Zhang's comments, China Business Journal reported that the central government is to hold an important meeting in October to discuss "land reforms". One possible reform is to allow a village to "collectively own" the right of use of all its farmland. In this way, anyone who wants to acquire land from the village for development must negotiate directly with the villagers on the price. Local governments will play no role in such activities. But this would deprive local officials of potentially huge interests and is thus bound to meet resistance. From this perspective, the land reform, if ever launched, would not be simply an economic reform but a fundamental change in the country's social and political system. ( Sooner or later CCP will do this as rural masses need to kept pacified to the party , commies everywhere fear the rural/farmers most throughout the world )

With the slogan "to return power to the people", Zhang may also be indicating political reforms to let people have a greater say in political and public affairs. According to the theory of Marxist socialism elaborated by Lenin and Mao, all social wealth belongs to the people and the state manages it on their behalf. In practice in China, this inevitably led to an absolute state monopoly in the name of the planned economy. The same theory states that all political power belongs to the people and the party-state holds that power on their behalf. This has resulted in the CCP's dictatorship with absolute power. ( Moral justification for existence of CCP )

The reforms of the past 30 years have shattered the state's absolute monopoly of the economy, but the party's absolute political power remains largely untouched. Many analysts, including some officials, have pointed out that many of the country's current problems, such as social injustice and corruption, are rooted in this absolute power.

Zhang's comments seem to suggest that Beijing now wants to do something about this. While Zhang himself stopped short of elaborating, it would be too naive to take his words as meaning the CCP is ready to share its power with other political forces. Rather, "returning power to the people" should be understood as letting the public play a bigger role in supervising the exercise of power by the communist government. In this sense, the public will have a greater say in political and social affairs.

For instance, the party's Central Organization Department, which oversees the appointment and promotion of senior officials, has recently set a new policy under which the popularity of an official will be a factor when considering his or her promotion, with a survey to be carried out to gauge public support. This would in effect give citizens an indirect vote on the matter. ( This is clearly a Hu's initiative to promote CYL's cadre as they are the ones who are most entrenched among the masses working with them in direct touch , should it happen CYL will emerge as clear winner . Need to see how other factions react , will they group together against Hu if so we may see a surprise in Hu's successor )

Zhang, 55, was Minister of Transport before he was named Hunan provincial party chief in late 2005. An open-minded official, he has been widely regarded by overseas China watchers as a future political star in China. His Hunan appointment is seen as giving him an opportunity to gain experience of working in a province - a necessary step for moving further up in the official hierarchy as the CCP now requires that central leaders must be selected from those who have experience in working in the provinces.

Given his background and promising future, it is very unlikely that Zhang made a slip of the tongue by using the phrase "to return power to the people". More likely his remarks herald that political reforms, with whatever characteristics they may be, are now really on the CCP agenda - after 30 years of economic reforms.
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President Medvedev arrives by year-end in New Delhi, and it is expected that both sides will sign a "123" agreement similar to that which has been agreed upon by the U.S. Next in line is France, which expects its own nuclear deal with India to be signed before the middle of 2009.

looks like Rajesh was right. and this time there wont be any hyde-shyde act to restrict
our dealings with our all-weather 'friends'

the NPA seem to be the worst type of whores and bag carriers - taking cues from
the worst proliferator in nuclear tech.
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The Politics Of Shenzhou
By Morris Jones
Geelong, Australia (SPX) Sep 08, 2008

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After a few days of rumours and conflicting stories, China has finally announced the launch timeframe for its next manned space mission. The Shenzhou 7 spacecraft will lift off somewhere between September 25 and 30. It will carry three astronauts into orbit, and stage China's first spacewalk.

This is an unusual and somewhat unexpected development. For months, we have been expecting and October launch, with rumours tipping a mid-October flight. China maintained this position consistently in its media reports for a long time, never wavering from this claim.

Reports of a change in date began to appear in early September, and were carried by several mainland Chinese news sources. The reports soon trickled through to the international media. But the stories were quickly challenged. Within hours of the original report appearing, China Daily produced a new story that cast the reports in doubt.

The story quoted an unidentified Chinese military officer, who described the original reports as "not reliable." The revised story also propagated through Chinese and international media channels. What was going on?

When the first cycle of stories ended, it seemed that a hapless journalist had filed an inaccurate report, and China wanted to set the record straight. But a new round of stories in China's state-run media has again claimed that the launch will be in September.

The new launch window is narrower and more specific than the original claim, which stated Shenzhou 7 would fly anywhere between September 17 and October 1. But the confirmation of a change, previously discredited in official reports, is curious.

It would seem that the latest reports are credible, given the time, and presumably, the oversight that has played out. But why was there so much confusion? And why has China decided to change the launch date in the first place?

It's possible that China has simply decided to launch because its spacecraft is ready. The Shenzhou 7 mission has been in preparation for a long time. An incredible gap of roughly three years has passed since the Shenzhou 6 mission, which flew in 2005.

But China seems to have adopted an unrushed timetable to its space launches. A gap of two years passed between the launch of Shenzhou 5, China's first manned spaceflight, in 2003, and the next mission. China has also established a pattern of October launches. Shenzhous 5 and 6 both launched in this month.

Media statements claimed that the launch time was linked to calm seas, which allowed China's fleet of space tracking ships to remain stable. This seems plausible. China has been stating for quite some time that the latest mission would also launch in October, and kept saying this in recent weeks.

The abrupt announcement of a change in launch date, with the new launch slated for just weeks after the announcement, is suspicious. It smacks of sudden interference in a carefully planned schedule.

There would seem to be no overt technical reason for changing the launch date, even though one report claimed that launching before October 1 offered "the best launch window", a strange claim for an Earth orbital mission with no rendezvous. The "best launch window" could have nothing to do with weather or engineering.

But politics seems to be a likely cause. China has found itself at the centre of global attention, thanks to a very opulent Olympic Games. The Games have also boosted the profile of China's Communist Party to its own population, and stirred national pride.

The launch date will take place after the Paralympics end on September 17, further strengthening the Olympic connection. October 1 is also China's national day, making the space mission a nice bridge between two major nationalistic events.

Elsewhere in the world, trouble is brewing. Russian incursions into disputed territories in Europe have held global attention for weeks. In Asia, complications are developing in negotiations with North Korea. China also has long-standing territorial disputes with several nations in the region, especially with regard to islands. Thailand is in the throes of civil unrest, Myanmar remains tragic, and Japan has lost another Prime Minister.

As a global power, China craves respect and influence. Its space program is powerful symbol of its economic strength. Not even the industrial powerhouses of Europe and Japan have developed their own human spaceflight capabilities.

China can certainly surf its next space launch on the wave of publicity that the Olympics have generated. It was interesting to see two spacewalking astronauts appear in the opening ceremony, which shows how highly China regards this achievement. It can also remind diplomats and governments that its voice should be heard as the international community confronts this growing list of problems.

There's plenty of reason for the change, but why was the publicity handled so badly?

The muddled stories could reveal a potential conflict between China's politburo and its rocket scientists. Chinese government officials may have demanded a last-minute change in the Shenzhou 7 launch date, buoyed by the attention the Olympics generated, and knowing the propaganda value of the flight. But they may not have understood the complex logistics required for a space launch.

They could have faced resistance from the scientists and engineers behind the program, who would be concerned about changing their plans. The earlier reports suggest that a dispute was taking place, but the politburo has finally won.

Political interference in the launching of space missions has sometimes been risky in the past. Hopefully, the mission will not experience any problems caused by the revised launch date.

Dr Morris Jones is the author of "The Adventure of Mars", now available in bookstores. He is available for media interviews on Shenzhou. Email morrisjonesNOSPAMhotmail.com. Replace NOSPAM with @ to send email.
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Suraj wrote: * Who are the moderates in the US-India deal subject, and who are the extremists, both the current and older generation ones.
* Understanding Zemin's insecurity and thirst for a legacy, and how it motivates his actions. A lot of credit for the Chinese economic boom in his days goes to Deng and to Zhu Rongji, his Premier, instead of to him.
Can we have folks analyse these themes?

Go thru the internet and look it up.

IPCS.org site has China watch section.

We have the B Raman associated CCS site.
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I know Olympics are gone, but the proof of chinese underage controversy will live forever.
Here is the link to this controversy..
chinese underage
If someone can translate it...
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Baljeet wrote:I know Olympics are gone, but the proof of chinese underage controversy will live forever.
Here is the link to this controversy..
chinese underage
If someone can translate it...
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7H13M5RY

You will find the translated pdf file here.
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SEOUL, South Korea — South Korea's food watchdog has ordered four more Chinese-made food products to be destroyed after they were found to contain the industrial chemical melamine.

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HONG KONG (Reuters) - Tens of millions of people will die from respiratory illness and lung cancer over the next 25 years in China if nothing is done to reduce smoking and fuel burning indoors, scientists warned.

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Notice on all 7/11 stores in spore.

All dairy products manufactured/imported from China have been banned. The notice was long and the line was bolded and under-lined. Even Namibia and Botswana have stopped import of the superlior mirk from these mooks.

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130 m. christists in China
ZHAO XIAO, a former Communist Party official and convert to Christianity, smiles over a cup of tea and says he thinks there are up to 130m Christians in China. This is far larger than previous estimates. The government says there are 21m (16m Protestants, 5m Catholics). Unofficial figures, such as one given by the Centre for the Study of Global Christianity in Massachusetts, put the number at about 70m. But Mr Zhao is not alone in his reckoning. A study of China by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, an American think-tank, says indirect survey evidence suggests many unaffiliated Christians are not in the official figures. And according to China Aid Association (CAA), a Texas-based lobby group, the director of the government body which supervises all religions in China said privately that the figure was indeed as much as 130m in early 2008.

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Good ol' Economist, always hoping to convert those heathens to its own preferred religion. It's intriguing to watch the Euro-centrist mind at work. One the one hand, they rail against the Christian-dominated Republicans and Jacksonians thwarting their Wilsonian agenda. On the other hand, there's a secret hope that the Asians will all Christianize, and thus rally to a Rome-centred faith.

Hedging the bets, aren't they?
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China says Nobel Peace Prize nominee Hu Jia is a criminal
9 Oct 2008, 1535 hrs IST,AFP
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BEIJING: China has called reported Nobel Peace Prize nominee Hu Jia a criminal Thursday, adding that awarding the jailed dissident this year's prestigious accolade would amount to interference in its legal affairs.

"Everyone knows what kind of person Hu Jia is, he is a criminal that was convicted and sentenced to prison by the state judiciary of inciting the subversion of state power," foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said.

"If they award the peace prize to such a person, it would be rude interference in China's internal affairs as well as our independent judiciary."

Some observers predict this year's prize, to be announced Friday, could go to Hu or another Chinese dissident, as 2008 marks the 60th anniversary of the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Hu, 36, is a well-known campaigner for civil rights, environmental protection and AIDS victims but he is currently serving a three-and-a-half year prison sentence for subversion.

Among the other critics of China's communist rulers seen as potential winners are democracy activist Wei Jingsheng, human rights lawyer Gao Zhisheng, and Rebiya Kadeer, who represents the country's Uighur Muslim minority.

But with the names of this year's 197 nominees a well-kept secret, pundits can only speculate.

Beijing has repeatedly voiced its opposition to such an honour for Hu, as is the case each time a Chinese dissident is mentioned as a possible contender for the prize.

In 1989, exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, greatly angering Beijing.
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OT but can't help: Without Slash GNR is just the kind of oxymoron that their latest album is.
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Meltdown boosts anti-Western forces in China
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From Friday's Globe and Mail

October 16, 2008 at 8:43 PM EDT

BEIJING — For the hardliners in China's Communist Party, the global financial crisis has been a golden opportunity to gloat about China's rising power.

“China should no longer be sympathetic and kind toward the United States at this rare moment,” said a commentary this week in Ta Kung Pao, a newspaper in Hong Kong with close links to the Communist Party.

“It should seize the opportunity to teach the United States a lesson,” the newspaper declared. “At the very least, the United States should be made to suffer a little bit more, so that it will learn to be more modest and prudent in the future and treat other countries as equals.”

Since the United States could need financial help from China to get out of its crisis, China should use the chance to extract American concessions on key political issues such as Taiwan and Tibet, the newspaper added.

Although the newspaper is financed by Beijing, the commentary probably does not reflect the mainstream views of China's Communist leaders. But it suggests how the financial crisis is boosting the confidence and influence of anti-Western forces in China, including the old-guard factions that are resisting free-market reforms.

While the Chinese leaders have been muted in their public response to the financial meltdown in the United States, a behind-the-scenes struggle can be glimpsed in the Chinese media. Pro-market liberals are urging Beijing to push ahead with more economic reforms, despite the crisis. Others are exploiting the crisis to proclaim the supremacy of the Chinese system, with its heavy state controls.

The debate comes at a critical time for the country. As it prepares to celebrate the 30th anniversary of its first steps toward free-market capitalism, China still has an unfinished agenda of incomplete reforms. Rural land is still not privately owned. Energy prices are set by the government. The nation's currency is not freely traded. Key sectors such as banking are still dominated by state-controlled companies.

The financial crisis is prompting China to rethink its future. Many liberals are worried that China will use the crisis as an excuse to ditch the reform agenda. They fret that the anti-reform forces could cite the U.S. bailout plan as proof of the need for state dominance in the economy.

“If we take emergency action as normal practice – and second-guess our belief in the free market for China – we might delay China's own market reform,” Hu Shuli, founding editor of Caijing, an influential Chinese financial magazine, said in an editorial this week.

“The current crisis is yet another test. Can we continue the reform? Can we draw a clear line between market and government? The answer will determine China's future.”

A similar note was struck by Ha Jiming, chief economist of China International Capital Corp. “China's future hinges on reforms,” he wrote this month. “Given the latest developments in the global economy, China's reforms have come to a new starting point ...”

But many other Chinese commentators said the financial crisis was evidence that China should not “blindly embrace” liberalism. “Many of the problems of the free-market system have been fully exposed,” said a commentary in Xinhua, the state news agency. “China should take a lesson from the American crisis and be cautious.”

On Chinese websites, some people are citing the crisis as the symbolic moment of China's ascendancy to superpower status, just as the Second World War marked the ascendancy of the United States. “The economic crisis this time is a redistribution of the economic powers of the world,” one person wrote on a website. “China has to be prepared for … a new order.”

The Chinese media gave prominent coverage to a conference in Beijing this week where speakers attacked the United States and globalization in the wake of the financial crisis. One conference organizer said China should “play a leading role” in a “new financial structure” to replace the existing global system. Another participant called for a “multipolarized world,” – code for a system without U.S. dominance.

Willy Lam, a political analyst and professor at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, said the financial crisis will encourage the Chinese government to maintain the status quo – rather than pursue reforms – over the next two years.

“The Chinese leadership is putting its emphasis on stability and growth, not reform,” Mr. Lam said in an interview.

“The leadership is reasonably satisfied with the situation. It seems to have proven that the Chinese model is correct. It feels confident that the cautious policy is the right policy.”
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Corruption in China’s Countryside
October 16, 2008, 2:27 pm

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By Hung Huang

Hung Huang is chief executive of China Interactive Media Group, a Beijing-based publishing company. We asked her to comment on a recent decision by China’s leadership that may allow peasants to buy and sell land-use rights.

There was a landmark decision made at the plenary session of the Party Congress this week: The Chinese government decided to give lease rights on the land to the peasants. No one knows how exactly this act will work; apparently it aims to narrow the income gap between the rich in the cities and the poor in the rural areas. For those of us who have had a little experience with rural land issues, we are a bit skeptical.

Here is my story.

About 10 years ago, we visited a painter friend who moved to the countryside and leased an abandoned schoolyard for 50 years to be his studio and home.

It was a charming residence. He had a vegetable garden and even tried to raise pigs. Compared with the compact living in 100 square meters in the city, his life seemed so much more spacious and connected with nature. My husband and I were immediately attracted to the idea and inquired about whether other lots were available in the village.

A rough and drunk party secretary for the village called us soon and said there is a persimmon orchard that has been retired, and that if we wanted to, we can lease some land there. It all sounded charming and rather inexpensive. We paid the money, got a piece of paper which said that the land was leased to us for 50 years — what is known as “Zhai Ji Di” in China. The party secretary said that we could build a house on the land, but we could not conduct any commercial activity. And, if during the 50 years, the government wanted to appropriate the land, we would be reimbursed for only the lease fee, not what we have built.

This was fine. We built the house and started to use it as a weekend place. Then the first scare came. The party secretary came at dinnertime one evening and announced that we have to demolish our house because it was in the middle of a road that would be built for the Beijing Olympics. We got a little panicky, fed him some more wine, and tried to get him to help us to keep the house. He said he could probably help us. After all, there are three families whose houses sit in the middle of the road. Maybe the road should take a detour.

We heartily agreed, and told him that he was the best party secretary. He drank some more wine, commented about how he likes this foreign liquor called X.O., and told us that a getting a detour would cost us. We stuffed two bottles of X.O. (cognac) in his bag and paid him $10,000 and sent him on his way to make the road bend.

About four months later, the party secretary came again at dinner, and announced triumphantly that the road would be detoured and that we would get to keep our house. We were happy, so we gave him some wine and food, and as he was wiping his mouth with his shirt sleeves, he said, “But there is another problem.”

“What?” we asked, mouths gaping.

“The county decided to re-issue all the land lease papers. The chop [license] used on the last one was not properly fixed.”

“Oh, what does that mean?” we asked.

“Well, it should be chopped by the land appropriation bureau, not the agricultural bureau,” he said, waving his glass for more wine. I poured dutifully. “You see, the government got confused. This was an orchard, so they thought, agricultural land. But then the land bureau said since it is no longer used as a working orchard, they need to get their chop on it as well.”

“OK,” we said, “so how much?”

“Oh, maybe just 30,000 renminbi,” he said, referring to about $3,500.

“Cash?” my husband asked.

“Hey,” he said with a bit annoyance in his voice, “I don’t want your money. We are friends now, but it’s for ‘them.’ ”

This was eight and half years ago. We have stopped using the house as a weekend place and only went back to the village once or twice a year. This year we decided to start using the house again for our 3-year-old daughter. When we asked to see the party secretary, we were told he was in jail. Apparently, he took all the cash that we paid for the land and the road and the chop and deposited it into his own bank account. During a village election, his actions were exposed by his nephew, who stole his bank statement.

Right now, his nephew is the new party secretary. We saw him and explained that we still don’t have our lease paper back. He said he will see what he can do. Then his driver (who drives a BMW) showed up and said to get our paper all sorted out would cost 50,000 renminbi (about $5,833). We got a bit smarter and said we would pay 20 percent now, and the rest upon getting the papers.

We have not gotten our papers, and we are not the only ones. For those of us who participated in the “gentrification” of the rural areas, the rampant corruption is the real problem plaguing the countryside. When we first paid the fee for the land, we were told it would go to finance a school for children in the village. Obviously, it never happened. The new legislation was intended to give the land to individual peasants, but given the workings of the Chinese government, it will most likely take many “chops” and red tape before a peasant is allowed to do what he wants on the land. Each chop will have a price on it. The law might have just given corrupt officials a series of good excuses to take bribes.

It is good that the legislation is moving toward privatizing land-use rights, but I am rather doubtful whether it will work out as the government had envisioned. Most Chinese regulations get terribly distorted in the process of execution.

As for that Olympic Road, it was actually an imaginary road on the part of our old party secretary.
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Hardliners in bid to oust China PM by Michael Sheridan: Sunday Times London
China’s most popular politician Wen Jiabao, the prime minister, has become a target for Communist party hardliners and could be forced from office
, according to a magazine in Hong Kong.

Its report is a rare insight into the struggle over the future of China between political reformers and guardians of the police state. The PM’s popularity rose this year as he comforted the victims of the earthquake in Sichuan province, visited people caught up in disastrous snowstorms and defended China’s unyielding policy on Tibet.

A 66-year-old known as “grandpa”, he has his own page on Facebook, the social networking website seen by millions. Rivalries inside the party have broken out behind the facade of unity erected for the Olympic Games, said Kaifang (Open), the monthly magazine that is known for its political sources inside China and its publication of information banned in the media.

It said hardliners in the party's propaganda department and at the People’s Daily newspaper had orchestrated a campaign of abuse directed at Wen’s supposed support for universal values such as democracy and human rights. “China’s ship of reform is on the rocks and risks sinking,” Kaifang said in its analysis. “The party needs to find a scapegoat.” Last week important land reforms were put on hold. Wen has also been passed over for the job of heading a prestigious committee, the magazine said.

It listed several press attacks which did not identify their victim but left no doubt among those in the know as to who it was. The most prominent critic was Chen Kuiyuan, vice-chairman of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, a rubber-stamp body whose title sums up everything it is not.
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