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How a lady sub inspector and her team posed as social activists from NGO to nab the criminal from a thieves’ colony

Kudos to the lady officer and her team who solved the dead case in 6 days by posing as activists from NGO in a colony of criminals.
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From Rupak's post on the all India Reserve Battalions(IRB) in the Army thread

Home Page of Andaman & Nicobar Police
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@Sachin:

There is an alternative proposal to the Kerala Police Act draft, headed by P J Alexander. See
http://blog.ccjr.in/

The claim is that the draft at http://www.keralapolice.org/ does not comply with the Supreme Court ruling.
The orders of the Supreme Court is the law of the land. Failure to comply with the directives of the Supreme Court in Prakash Singh’s case (SC - 2006 - 726 Writ Petition [Civil] No. 310 of 1996 decided on 22-09-2006) has rendered the Draft Bill worthless. Further, the Draft has tried to circumvent yet another decision of the Supreme Court (AIR 1978 Supreme Court 1025 Nandini Satpathy’s case) to add to its non acceptability. All this was done when under the Chairmanship of Justice V.R. Krishna Iyer himself, the ‘Law Reforms Commission -Kerala’ was revising and re-drafting several legislations including the Kerala Police Act. People associated with the efforts of the Law Reforms Commission, including this author, fail to understand why the Kerala Police leadership avoided working with the Law Reforms Commission? We are sure in the coming days there will be a serious debate in the State on this question.
Personally, I find the draft at http://www.keralapolice.org to be quite crude and hastily written. For example,
it has
49. Lawful Police Activity not to be Ridiculed: No manifestly lawful statutory duty performed by a police officer shall be publicly ridiculed or falsely represented deliberately by any person in such a manner as to adversely affect the confidence of the public in the law enforcement machinery provided that any criticism by or on behalf of an affected party shall not be construed as ridicule or false representation.
That means, we cannot have a mallu South Park in the future. And I protest that

In particular, the user comments on the following image at flickr.com would be construed as ridiculing Kerala police. :rotfl:

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carvaka wrote:There is an alternative proposal to the Kerala Police Act draft
Even though the present government did try to bring in some of the recommendations put up by Supreme Court it deliberately did not implement some others. One such action item was the setting up of a Police authority which would be the sole authority dealing with transfers of policemen. The home minister said that he will not allow this as the "right of transfer" was the only way the government can have some control over the police men. The minister tried to bring in the point that this provision was retained by the government to protect/help the people. But it was pretty much obvious that this was a game to trap honest police officers who did not tow the government line. As per the present Act, officers from Sub Inspectors to Superindent of Police can be transferred within the state as many times as the government feels. For senior IPS officers there needs some recommendation from DGP etc. etc. This was heavily misused to harass honest officers (esp. SIs who are the most important point of contacts with the people).
Lawful Police Activity not to be Ridiculed: No manifestly lawful statutory duty performed
A bit childish I must say :). But there have been a spate of TV comedy shows which were satires of normal police duties especially traffic law enforcement. There were also "MTV Bakra" type shows in which policemen were impersonated.
The claim is that the draft at http://www.keralapolice.org/ does not comply with the Supreme Court ruling.
At this point we should also note that the draft has been presently put up by Shri. Jacob Punnoose (IGP rank officer recently promoted to Addl DGP rank). This officer had started a huge controversy by stating that a "sub-ordinate police officer need not obey orders from senior officers if he (the sub-ordinate officer) feels that it is illegal" . {this is the gyst of his statement and not the exact words}.This was just after a police firing at Koothuparambu (North Kerala) when an communist party workers blocked the road of a minister of the state M.V Raghavan. The police resorted to firing.

Also if you read through the Jacob Punnoose drafted police act there are lots of sections which give wide powers for executive officers (District Collector, superior police officers etc.) to take away rights of groups to protest or to conduct meetings etc. These rights are circumventing the power of the judiciary, and can be heavily misused by the ruling party in the state.
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carvaka wrote: In particular, the user comments on the following image at flickr.com would be construed as ridiculing Kerala police.
I could only see this picture from my home PC (Flickr is blocked in office). Fantastic shot !!! For the benefit of others who see the picture. This was the treatment meted out to a political worker who knocked of the cap of a police man (in Kerala).
Lawful Police Activity not to be Ridiculed: No manifestly lawful statutory duty performed by a police officer shall be publicly ridiculed or falsely represented deliberately by any person in such a manner as to adversely affect the confidence of the public
This section is more geared towards artists and other sundry folks who actually dress up as policemen in cinemas,TV shows etc and make fun of them. Their mannerisms, police customs etc. were the butt of the joke.
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Indian people usually move the courts in such cases e.g priyadarshini mattoo, jessica lal, nitish katara, satyendra dubey and so on.
they don't get people to write books like "Indian Terrorism on the land of Punjab".
naturally. he said he went to the court. But that hasn't helped his case. Both high court and apex court were moved but that hasn't stopped his harassment by local police.

We need to understand that we outsource the job of security to the police in utmost good faith. And belive they are capable of doing an honest job. And then we sit back do our stuff trusting that those who have been entrusted with the job will do it in good faith.

while we sit back after entrusting the job of security to the police, we do not have effective means to ensure that those people who have been entrusted the job do not resort to shortcuts. there is little effective oversight on them to ensure that they do the job honestly and do not resort to short cuts like custodial deaths, torture, and other abominations.

The Indian state does not gain from local police in a troubled area torturing relatives and family members. It has a code of conduct that it obliges public servants to follow. The govt may be biased against some community or religion. But the code of conduct is not biased and that is why these gentlemen are supposed to follow it and that they are following it needs to be ensured by citizenry if not by the politicians, courts or other bodies who may have vested interests. But the police officers might gain from 'short-cuts' because it gets their job done quicker. Who else benefits .. surely not the Indian state who is left with the brutalised conscience of those individuals who have been left over after the pogrom.

Can we compute the cost of that ?
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I don't disagree with your latest post by any means and agree that an open discussion on this issue is necessary. that, however doesn't mean the original article is credible enough to serve as a starting point. I'm deleting that post and comments related to it.
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Rahul M wrote:I don't disagree with your latest post by any means and agree that an open discussion on this issue is necessary. that, however doesn't mean the original article is credible enough to serve as a starting point. I'm deleting that post and comments related to it.
regards.
there is no credible source in these matters. records of the victims themselves are the best source of info.
what we can usually do is to use our instinct in these matters .. and trace the events backwards.

Credibility or otherwise can be established henceforth.
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Raju,

I completely agree with your sentiment. However, wouldn't it have been a good idea to preface your earlier (now deleted) post saying "Warning, copy paste from a pro Khalistani site but take only the relevant stuff regarding brutality"? That way, it wouldn't have raised so many heckles.

Posting such articles without disclaimers makes it appear as a section of BR and the poster believes the content, giving more fuel to purveyors of such ideologies.

BTW "finger bone crushing" seems to be a standard phrase to use by the Khalistani propaganda machine, a lot of their articles have that similar to "pregnant mother stomach cut open" fare for Islamists.
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Tanaji wrote:Raju,

I completely agree with your sentiment. However, wouldn't it have been a good idea to preface your earlier (now deleted) post saying "Warning, copy paste from a pro Khalistani site but take only the relevant stuff regarding brutality"? That way, it wouldn't have raised so many heckles.
yes it would have, but it did not strike me then.

you need to learn to trust my instincts/sentiments boss.
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Tanaji, is there a need at all to quote an anti-national and discredited source for whichever end ?? incidences of police brutality are common in any Indian state, should we give airtime to a subversive mouthpiece in our search for examples ?? (I've witnessed and even experienced the same to an extent)
I don't think so.
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Rahul M wrote:Tanaji, is there a need at all to quote an anti-national and discredited source for whichever end ?? incidences of police brutality are common in any Indian state, should we give airtime to a subversive mouthpiece in our search for examples ?? (I've witnessed and even experienced the same to an extent)
I don't think so.
Rahul, though you have addressed it to Tanaji. It is not as if we all are quoting anti-national sites all the time, are we.
How many times have you seen me quoting anti-national sites ?

It is only in the exceptional case that some site which goes contrary to India's interest is quoted.
If we need to work our way into Pakistan, it is important that the frontier states or its people bear no ill will.
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Raju boss, I'm not accusing you of anything, so don't carry any takleef when there is none !
all I'm saying is, given the source, I'm reluctant to believe it or give it a place on BRF.
if you find a story on the same person from a more credible source, you're welcome to post it.
to be precise : The source matters.
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Rahul M wrote:Raju boss, I'm not accusing you of anything, so don't carry any takleef when there is none !
all I'm saying is, given the source, I'm reluctant to believe it or give it a place on BRF.
if you find a story on the same person from a more credible source, you're welcome to post it.
to be precise : The source matters.
regards.
I don't know what is the credible source for BRF in these matters ?
battle should not be lost in waiting for the right messenger.
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The discussion about 'Stress and Indian soldiers' is also relevant to police officers.

In short: Deputy Superintendent of Police (Udaipur) Jitendra Singh Sandhu shot his wife dead and then attempted suicide. In the newspaper print it was also mentioned that after shooting himself he called the DIG or IG! Also the article had picture of policemen carrying their officer for treatement.
Rajasthan Patrika wrote:पुलिस अधिकारी ने पत्नी को छलनी कर खुद को गोली मारी

उदयपुर, राजस्थान पुलिस सेवा के अघिकारी जितेंद्र सिंह सांदू ने रविवार रात यहां सेक्टर चार स्थित अपने आवास पर पत्नी की गोली मारकर हत्या कर दी। बाद में उन्होंने सर्विस रिवॉल्वर से खुद को भी गोली मार ली। गंभीर रूप से हालत सांदू को उनके घर के नजदीक स्थित एक निजी चिकित्सालय में उपचार के लिए भर्ती कराया गया है।

घटना रात करीब साढ़े आठ बजे की है। मृतका गीतिका (32) के पिता डूंगरनाथ चारण राजस्थान प्रशासनिक सेवा के अधिकारी हैं। वारदात में सांदू की चार वर्षीय बेटी कुंजल बच गई। सांदू की छह वर्ष पूर्व शादी हुई थी। गीतिका मूलत: सोजत के पास रामासनी गांव की रहने वाली थीं।
Terrible trauma for four year old the daughter. I am unable to find an english paper that has covered this story in depth. TOI-epaper
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The discussion about 'Stress and Indian soldiers' is also relevant to police officers.
The stressful life of police officers is generally ignored at all levels of society. Many of the disciplinary rules which the state police forces follow are drawn up by the British, when the cases were less in number and also the police had lesser number of duties/tasks at hand.

If a Dy.S.P level officer have to think about committing suicide for work related stress, imagine what a Sub-Inspector or a Head Constable would be going through. And this is with pittance given away as salary.

Policemen are expected to be on 24 hours duty with no gurantee that leaves etc can be availed when required. And also when it comes to pay fixation the lower ranks of the police are treated at the same level of unskilled labour. And this is is when police men at all ranks needs to have some skill in handling crowds, negotiating with them and also getting information out of people.
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Cross posting from the miscellaneous pictures thread

Sorry folks but this is a bit of a rant. Not against the police who are doing a very difficult job but against all the bloody political parties and specially the govt which puts them into these difficult situations and then "hopes" they can control it with the pathetic gear they have. These guys are at the fore front of the counter insurgency campaign more so than the army. I don't remember whether it was baljeet or mandeep one of you had even mentioned having relatives who in their prime youth while serving with the police have lost an eye.

These guys have the worst riot control gear dating back decades. even tinpot countries like bolivia etc.. have better gear.

its time some ex-CRPF files a PIL forcing the govt to improve their gear.

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This last picture shows the frustration of the CRPF as they ended up attacking an ambulance.
The appearance as a powerful cohesive force makes riot control effective. This only makes them look like chaprasis meant to be slapped around
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Latest news:

6th CPC has abolished the post of DIG for police officers. Now, like their IAS counterparts, they will go straight to IGP.
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From DECCAN cHRONICLE, 17 AUG, 2008
Cops say no to jeeps and buses


Hyderabad, Aug. 17: Police stations in at least 100 mandals across the state do not want to avail four and six wheelers fearing landmine attacks by the Maoists. This comes following intelligence inputs that cops deployed in the jurisdiction of these police stations run the highest risk of being targeted by the Naxals.

Currently, there are 1,559 police stations in the state of which about 700 have no four wheelers for mobility. Though the police department provided at least 207 vehicles to the police stations through the Police Transport Organisation, the Naxal-hit areas have not been included. A senior police officer said, "There are several instances of Naxals targeting police personnel moving in four wheelers. Landmines and claymore mines are a big threat to the police teams travelling in jeeps and buses in the Naxal-hit Andhra-Orissa border, Khammam-Chhattisgarh border, North Telangana and surroundings of Nallamala."

Police usually move in private vehicles and sometimes on two-wheelers in the Maoist-hit zones. During combing operations, they prefer to walk and seldom take a vehicle. Even if they have to take a vehicle, it never follows the main road for the fear of being targeted by the rebels.

An officer said, "Though the state government allotted funds under the police modernisation scheme, cops are just not ready to use vehicles." The police fleet includes 441 buses, 164 bullet-proof cars, 143 cars, 115 vans, 1,904 jeeps, 739 Tata Sumos, 176 Tata Spacios mostly in police commissionerates and non-Naxal districts. The police department owns around 2,927 two-wheelers.

Naxal-hit AOB districts Vijayangaram, Srikakulam and Vishakapatnam rural and Nalgonda, Nizamabad, Khamam in Telangana have less number of four wheelers compared to other districts. An officer said, "Earlier we used to procure more vehicles for the higher officials. But now the focus is more on the men working in police stations."
Wont this affect mobility? How do they plan to repsond to crises?
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And

Pak men enter by mistake


Hyderabad, Aug. 17: A number of Pakistani nationals are using the Rajiv Gandhi International Airport here to enter the country. Though immigration clearance for Pakistani nationals is not issued at the Hyderabad airport, carelessness on the part of airlines officials is helping them to sneak in. The ports of entry and departure for Pakistanis are Kolkata, Mumbai and Delhi.

“It could be due to carelessness on the part of the airline officials. They issue tickets to Pakistani passengers not knowing that they are not allowed to touch base in India via Hyderabad,” said Mr Shivshankar Reddy, DCP, immigration at the Rajiv Gandhi International Airport, Shamshabad. The problem is complex in the case of Pakistanis settled in a third country.

“The number of Pakistanis trying to come to India from a neutral country is quite high, approximately 10 people tried to enter India via Hyderabad in the last two months,” said Mr Reddy referring to people who had accidentally touched base in the city. More often than not, the Pakistanis shift base to Gulf but are still ruled out from entering India through the city.
Something is odd when police attributes to carelessness of Airlines in selling tickets.
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X-posted from Int Secy thread
origina by sanjaychoudary

Some good news finally on combating the Naxals.
Anti-Naxal force of CRPF gets Govt clearance

New Delhi, Aug 27: The Government tonight cleared a proposal of an exclusive anti-Naxal force of 10 battalions (10,000 personnel) at a cost of Rs 1389.47 crore to fight the growing menace of the ultra-Left forces.

After debating on the proposal for nearly eight months, the Union Home Ministry finally moved the Cabinet Committee on Security chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for raising the Combat battalion for Resolute Action (COBRA) which will be similar to 'Greyhounds' of Andhra Pradesh Police.

The Left-extremism, termed by the Prime Minister as a "virus", has engulfed nearly 13 states.

Under the proposal, Rs 898.12 crore will be spent on land and infrastructure while an expenditure of Rs 491.35 crore will be made on manpower training over a period of three years.

The CRPF, which is designated as the central force for countering anti-insurgency, has started work for the creation of such a force after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had asked for the same in December and also submitted a proposal to the Union Home Ministry a few months ago.

Under the proposal, until the training of 10 battalions, the CRPF would deploy an equal number of personnel to begin operations from the day it was sanctioned, the sources said.

K Durga Prasad, a 1981 batch IPS officer from Andhra Pradesh, was posted by the CRPF to take charge of the new SAF force for his knowledge and expertise in handling the anti-left wing operations.

The SAF is likely to be headquartered in the national capital with battalion headquarter in every naxal-affected state.

http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=464904&sid=NAT
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Deccan Chronicle, 29 Aug., 2008
Cobra to strike at Maoists


New Delhi Aug. 28: The Centre has given its nod for the raising of a 10,000-strong special anti-naxal force to combat the Maoist menace in the country. The nod to the Combat Battalion for Resolute Action (Cobra), which will be under the command and control of the CRPF, was given on Wednesday evening by the Cabinet Committee on security chaired by the Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh.

K. Durga Prasad, a 1981 batch IPS officer from Andhra Pradesh, who was responsible for the success of the Greyhounds in carrying out anti-naxal operations, will take charge of the central force. Mr Prasad took over charge as inspector general, Special Armed Force (SAF) at CRPF in Delhi in May this year. Mr Prasad was serving as ADG, Greyhounds in Andhra Pradesh before his posting at the CRPF headquarters in Delhi. CRPF officials said Mr Prasad will use his expertise in handling anti-naxal operations and the Cobra personnel would be imparted special training in terrain and topography of their area of operation.

The Cobra will be headquartered in the national capital region and will have battalion headquarters in every Naxal-affected state. “The home ministry has to decide where the SAF will be based and has to provide the necessary funds. It could be headquartered in Gurgaon, Noida or Ghaziabad,” said a CRPF official. The force, which is being formed on similar lines as the Rapid Action Force, will in the meantime use the CRPF personnel already trained in anti-naxal operations till the process of recruitment and training of 10 battalions are completed.

The new force will be set up at a cost of Rs 1,389.47 crore out of which Rs 898.12 crore will be spent on land and infrastructure while Rs 491.35 crore will be used for training over a period of three years. The Prime Minister, during his address to the top police brass in October last year, had called for setting up a special force to tackle Left-wing extremism. The Maoists managed to carry out several attacks this year including the gunning down of more than two dozen personnel of Greyhounds.
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Not sure if there are any independent organizations that audit these kinds of statistics.

Mumbai police shed image of late-comers
Now you can forget the age-old Bollywood-promoted image of the police reaching on the spot after everything is over. ‘Every minute is precious’ - is the new mantra of the Mumbai Police. The mantra has helped the police achieve an unimaginable response time of as low as six to seven minutes to any emergency. Whenever an emergency call is received in any part of the city, a police posse reaches the spot within seven minutes, said a police officer from the main control room situated in Crawford Market.
“The response time in early 1990s used to be somewhere between 16-18 minutes. Last year, it was close to 10-12 minutes and six months ago the response time was around eight minutes, but now it has lowered to around six minutes,” said joint commissioner of police (Anti-Terrorism Squad), Hemant Karkare.
He explained that as soon as a call was received from a landline phone, the location is automatically displayed on the computer screen of call attendant, and since all the 500 mobile vehicles of the police are connected with GIS and GPS system; it is very easy to identify the nearest vehicle.

When asked how good is the response time of Mumbai police as compared to police of cities in developed countries, Prasad said, “It is great as compared to other states. We want to achieve the five minutes response time, which is an average response time in western countries. This is a challenge for us, but we shall attain this goal soon.”
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http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/aug/31mumbai.htm

Pradeep Sharma dismissed. Lets see if we can find the inside story on why now.

Most encounter specialists have unaccounted for wealth. Anyone expecting that they take these risks for the fun of it without benefiting from it has been watching too many Hollywood movies. Fact still remains that like KPS Gill, these folks were successful in making the criminals afraid, really afraid of the police. Due to the pathetic success rate of prosecution (for various reasons, corruption, political pressure etc) , the only reason criminals are still afraid of Mumbai police is the payback that they get: either in custody before they are formally arrested or if they get bumped off. Is it legal or ethical? No....

What I wonder is what happens to the underworld contacts that he cultivated during these long years. It would be a awful shame if they go along with him.
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ToI is reporting that he has amassed wealth in the region of 3,000 crores.
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Tanaji wrote:Most encounter specialists have unaccounted for wealth. Anyone expecting that they take these risks for the fun of it without benefiting from it has been watching too many Hollywood movies.
Some of the money which they get can be termed as 'quasi-legal' money. Most of such police units (plus DRI, Customs and Central Excise) have some thing known as 'slush funds' which is used to entertain sources, paying off police informers etc. When major police actions takes place using the information people are also rewarded out of these funds. Such rewards may be given to the police officers who did the encounter. It is rightly said that with a police inspector's pay nobody is going to risk their lives by doing encounters. The police men surely would be getting some extra money for the task (which generally would not be visible in account books/salary slips).

PSI Daya Nayak seems to have funded his school using such funds. BTW, another officer who recently 'retired' from Maharashtra is Sachin Hindurao Waze. He also had got him entangled in a similar mess. Looks like higher ups do not want such 'encounter specialists' to remain in the force for long.
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That argument of "noone would do this job for government pay" doesnt wash.. lots of people in lots of government services do very dangerous jobs at the regular scales of pay. The military, the CPMFs, R&AW, Inspectors of Mines, Armament inspectors, Police bomb disposal squad agents...

Sharma is on the IB radar for having carried out several contract killings for various gangs on payment. Surely Blood money in exchange for encounters is hardly acceptable.
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that is fate of all black warriors. when the political establishment does not want them,
something can always be found to fire them.

I hope if indeed his money was reward money, he gets to enjoy a good retirement
and live peacefully now.
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Between them Pradeep Sharma, Daya Nayak and Ravindra Angre have amassed a fortune of hundred's of crores primarily by targetting businessmen, builders and rich gangsters.Their MO is to usurp Land holdings in Bombay (Pradeep Sharma and Daya Nayak) and Thane District(Ravindra Angre) and have it transferred in construction companies owned and controlled by relatives and friends.

The Slum Rehabilitation Scheme for development of Slum Lands is being exploited by Corrupt officials and these tainted inspectors who work with Gangsters who control these lands and develop these in partnership firm controlled construction companies.
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What is interesting is that Pradeep Sharma has been dismissed using Section 311 of the Constitution as per a local newspaper. This means that the only recourse left to him is the Supreme Court, there is no other appeal. This section is invoked only in rare cases, and so far no one has been able to successfully challenge it.

Can someone confirm that Section 311 is the "Loss of favour of the President" or something like that?

I would take 3000 crore rupee figure with a pinch of salt. That puts him in the Telgi league. Pradeep Sharma was nowhere close to that. Divide by 10 any figure from the journalist, and you get closer to reality. Still 300 crores is a lot.

Lets see if something else can be found out.
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Tanaji wrote:What is interesting is that Pradeep Sharma has been dismissed using Section 311 of the Constitution as per a local newspaper.
My guide book on the Constitution gives the following information. But I don't know if this is actually referred to as Section or Article.
311. Dismissal, removal or reduction in rank of persons employed in civil capabililties under Union or a state
Sub-section (1) reads..: No person who is a member of a civil service of the Union or an all-India service or a civil service of a State or holds a civil post under the Union or State shall be dismissed or removed by an authority sub-ordinate to that by which he was appointed.

Sub-section (2) reads..: No such person aforesaid shall be dismissed or removed or reduced in rank except after an inquiry in which he has been informed of the charges against him and given a reasonable oppurtunity of being heard in respect of those charges.


There are three clauses for Sec 2. (a)(b) and (c). All of them are about conditions in which an inquiry can be done away with. It says that inquiry can be done away with, after a written document is made which explains why the inquiry should not be conducted.

Sub-section (3) reads..: If in respect of any such person as aforesaid, a question arises whether it is reasonably practicable to hold such inquiry as is referred in clause (2), the decision there on of the authority empowered to dismiss or remove such person or to be reduce him rank shall be final.

Sub-Section (3) more or less says that an inquiry is not mandatory for dismissals, if the authority empowered to dismiss feels so. And as far as I know Sub-Ordinate Police Officers (PSI to Dy.SP/ACP) is appointed by the State Govt. and not by the Central Govt. So the state government who appointed the officer does have the right to dismiss him.

I feel the decision to move out this officer was taken after strong rounds of deliberation and the strongest sections used for dismissal. Perhaps even the state Governor has been appraised of the situation.
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Testimony of 25 police officers, builders helped nail Sharma.

Encounter specialist Pradeep Sharma’s unceremonious dismissal was declared only after the conduct of an extensive and thorough investigation.This included inquiries dating back to 1997 and also adverse statements made against him by his own fraternity.

While statements by builders and businessmen helped the case against Sharma, it was the statements of about 25 police officers who have worked closely with him that finally nailed him.

These 25 officers, including some IPS officials who have worked with Sharma at some point or the other made adverse statements on Sharma to their seniors.

These statements were also included in the dossier prepared on the encounter specialist, leading to his dismissal from the force, said sources involved in the enquiry against Sharma.

Also, contrary to the perception that Sharma was nailed only by current enquiries against him, including records of phone-tappings of his conversations with the underworld, sources said that enquiry reports dating back to 1997 were dug out to nail Sharma.

In 1997, the then additional police commissioner (crime) S P S Yadav had filed an adverse report against Sharma and Daya Nayak, hinting about their underworld connections.

Yadav (who is now ADGP) had then inquired into the conduct of Inspector Sharma and PSI Daya Nayak in 1997, and had opined that Nayak should be dismissed under article 311 (of the constitution) while a case should be registered against Sharma.

Yadav also said that Sharma be relegated to some non-executive postings. A case was registered and transferred to the CID but it gathered dust as the underworld activities were gathering momentum then and Sharma proved useful to tackle it.

Yadav, who is now ADGP, CID Pune, said, “I had prepared a report indicting Nayak, Sharma and others and even recommended dismissal for one of them.”

According to senior police officials who did not wish to be named, the job to dig out the muck started long ago but what triggered this probe could possibly be the electronic surveillance of the Intelligence Bureau where Sharma was allegedly found communicating with some absconding underworld figures.

Some other evidence against Sharma include testimonies by builders and businessmen who claimed that Sharma threatened them at the behest of Chhota Shakeel, and even brokered real estate deals on the don’s behalf for a commission.

During the course of investigation into Sharma’s activities, Crime Branch officials also found that some builders had lodged complaints against him in a span of 4 to 5 years, claiming that he was intimidating them and had brokered a few land deals.

All these builders were summoned again, convinced to give a statement on oath and these statements were later used against the encounter specialist. “The statements claim that Sharma used to charge a commission for brokering these deals,” sources alleged.

“We have inputs about how Sharma has allegedly amassed properties worth crores of rupees, mostly concentrated in the Andheri-Dahisar belt and also invested in hotels.

“We may pass the information to the Anti Corruption Bureau for further probe,” a senior official said.
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Vipul wrote:Testimony of 25 police officers, builders helped nail Sharma.
In 1997, the then additional police commissioner (crime) S P S Yadav had filed an adverse report against Sharma and Daya Nayak, hinting about their underworld connections.

Yadav (who is now ADGP) had then inquired into the conduct of Inspector Sharma and PSI Daya Nayak in 1997, and had opined that Nayak should be dismissed under article 311 (of the constitution) while a case should be registered against Sharma.

Yadav also said that Sharma be relegated to some non-executive postings. A case was registered and transferred to the CID but it gathered dust as the underworld activities were gathering momentum then and Sharma proved useful to tackle it.
This looks interesting :evil: ! So Sharma's and Daya Nayak's dare devilry and they 'encountering' people was all right when Mumbai Police could not tackle the under world. Now that they have done pretty much a thorough job, time for all these IPS Afsar sahebs to order enquiries (that too dating back to 10-15 years).
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The other thing is contact with underword - I guess there is a movie - encounter at....starring Sanjay Dutt and Vivek Oberai. Vivek Oberai is a underword newby, he challenges presumbly dawood, who then calls Sanjay Dutt (the police SP) when this guy is having R&R which dawood happens to know. Moral of the story, these guys when dealing with underworld, developed contacts that helped them vanquish the underworld. That should be ok and overlooked. But if they acted as one of them and did deals, they should be punished but 'suitably' keeping in view what they have sacrificed.
I guess the authorities have to understand that in the future also to tackle underworld they would need people like Sharma and Naik. By punishing them this way, less and less ppl would be willing to help out.
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fanne wrote:The other thing is contact with underword - I guess there is a movie - encounter at....starring Sanjay Dutt and Vivek Oberai.
The movie most likely is "Encounter at Lokhandwala". Sanjay Dutt acted as A.A Khan (Supdt. of Police) who finished off two upcoming underworld dons. If I remember correctly A.A Khan had to resign (or was drummed out) of the force. He later tried his luck in politics too. This case became quite infamous thanks to the large number of rounds/bullets used.
I guess the authorities have to understand that in the future also to tackle underworld they would need people like Sharma and Naik. By punishing them this way, less and less ppl would be willing to help out.
Don't know why, I am getting a feeling that this what the govt. is planning to do. Move out Sharma and Nayak out of the force, but do not press for more charges (like amassing wealth beyond one's known sources of income etc.) so that they would not land up in prison. Sharma and Nayak would just fade away, which would help them also later in their private lives. Underworld folks would not know where they are or what they are doing now.
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Saw an interview on the odious Star TV channel of Pradeep Sharma. The interviewer was Jeetendra Dixit was trying his best to be an idiot as usual.

Anyways some nuggets:
  • Pradeep Sharma claims that he has around 500-1000 informants all over the country
  • He gets around 50 calls a day from them
  • He does not rule out Salaskar's role in getting him dismissed
  • He accepts that there are 2 main groups in Mumbai Police, Salaskar vs Daya Nayak and himself
Question of course is the timing of this whole thing. Why now?

Fanne:

There were 4 shot in all, 2 of them were Maya Dolas and the other was Dilip Buwa. The charge / rumour was that A A Khan operated under Dawood's orders to have Maya eliminated since the latter was heavily muscling in on his territory. Of course it works both ways: Maya was wanted under various offenses the least of them being extortion. If A A Khan got a tip, be it from Dawood or anyone he had to go after them.

From what I heard of this was A. A. Khan knew quite well that the tip was originating from Dawood, and it was in Dawood's interests to get them killed, but he could care less. Maya was wanted anyway, and Buwa was getting to be more and more psychotic. But it was not as if Dawood made a call and Khan said, "jo hukum bhai". At the time, the police were quite content in playing the gangs against each other and picking them off....
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has the level of serious crime like extortions, gang wars, killings, kidnappings and
drug / gun running come down in Mumbai in last 10 yrs ? does d-company still
inspire fear at the street level ?
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do the states need to take permission from the center if they want to buy weapons other than the OFB stuff ?? does it depend if the center is providing some of the funds ?
what got me curious is the possible SSG in the hands of modi's bodyguard.
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Minor nitpick...the movie was *Shootout* at Lokhandwala. The real AA Khan also played a role in the movie...I think he was the Commissioner who allows Sanjay Dutt to go ahead with his ATS (Anti Terrorist Squad) stuff. Movie was also notable for both Amitabh and Abhishek Bachchan having a role in the movie, though baby Bachchan's character has a very minor role and gets killed quickly.
Sachin wrote: The movie most likely is "Encounter at Lokhandwala". Sanjay Dutt acted as A.A Khan (Supdt. of Police) who finished off two upcoming underworld dons. If I remember correctly A.A Khan had to resign (or was drummed out) of the force. He later tried his luck in politics too. This case became quite infamous thanks to the large number of rounds/bullets used.
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Singha wrote:has the level of serious crime like extortions, gang wars, killings, kidnappings and
drug / gun running come down in Mumbai in last 10 yrs ? does d-company still
inspire fear at the street level ?
Mostly yes. There hasn't been anything significant like the fear of extortion and being bumped by the underworld like around 1997-99. Of course Mendonca and Sivanandan (supported by politicos) dealt with it effectively. That was also the time most of these encounter specialists came in the lime light. IIRC, the score was something like one gangster a day or so for some months in 1999.Clicky here It really put the fear of God into the underworld. It has never been able to terrorize or evoke fear in the minds of the public like those days ever again. People had pretty much stopped any activity that could point o them being well off and affluent lest they get a 'call'.
Nowadays, things are more focussed on the current wave of Islamic terrorism(external sponsored and aided and abetted by locals - radicalized IM & SIMI types and illegal BD immigrants) we see all over. Underworld wars of the yore seem like "toy water gun fights" compared to these new challenges.
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Tanaji wrote:Saw an interview on the odious Star TV channel of Pradeep Sharma. The interviewer was Jeetendra Dixit was trying his best to be an idiot as usual.

Anyways some nuggets:
  • Pradeep Sharma claims that he has around 500-1000 informants all over the country
  • He gets around 50 calls a day from them
  • He does not rule out Salaskar's role in getting him dismissed
  • He accepts that there are 2 main groups in Mumbai Police, Salaskar vs Daya Nayak and himself
Question of course is the timing of this whole thing. Why now?

Actually, it started a bit earlier .

On 9th March, 1993,Gul Mohammad informed bandra police station that blasts would take place on 12th March. He was beaten up badly and made to flee.
Of course, he was later duly arrested and i think he got 6 yrs.

Till date it is alleged that if that information was acted upon ,there would be no blasts. But clearly , there was some money behind this 'forced neglect ' of Gul Mohammad confession.

When Rakesh maria took over this investigation immediately after the blasts, he started working on this tip and raided the Musl!m areas of the localities of Mahim-bandra. From there he got the rdx filled Memon scooter and found the key in the memon house and the story unfolded.

After this it was decided that informants should report to only some officers and not all pol. stations.

Enter the Sharma, Nayak and other bunch of officers. They developed their 'informants' through fear and favour.

In their line of duty , they developed developed 'relations' with the informers akkas, who would give them info on rival gangs.

The media began an interesting relationship with these officers. "They developed close contacts with them . S Hussain Zaidi of Black Friday - The True Story of the Bombay Bomb Blasts -is close to Sharma. So are other 'crime journos'.

However what goes round comes around.

After they found who was funding the terror network willingly or unwillingly under fear, they took huge sums to either protect or prevent their arrests.

They contributed part of this to 'social causes'. Nayak himself has funded a school, hospital and other such in his home town worth crores

Popularity and monetary stake increasing, they had tiffs amongst themselves.
It is 'alleged' that Sharma used Zaidi to discredit Nayak.
Another matter that Nayak's close aide cum-journalist Ketan tirodkar later turned against him.

Between them the encounter specialists have helped land grabbers. This is a truth.

The people who these encounter specialists were 'targetting', soon reached higher IPS afsars and also used their Dilli-connection to escape.

Later, too many things unfolded and one-by-one, all these were sidelined.
Thus Ravindra Angre, Praful Bhosale, Pradeep Sawant, Pradeep Sharma, Daya Nayak and some others went downhill.
Any political objective behind sidelining? No idea, except that practically all parties had closeted aginst Sharma and gave him the 'safe passage'
does d-company still
inspire fear at the street level ?
Apparently, d-company inspires d-isappointment. no more free passport-vija to 'gulf' :cry: :cry: :cry:
Nagpada tops in passport seekers

MUMBAI: Nagpada, whose most famous non-resident is the gangster Dawood Ibrahim, is known for its narrow lanes and tightly packed shops. A lesser-known nugget is that of all the police stations in Mumbai, it is the Nagpada police station that receives the maximum number of passport applications every day.

Haj trips and employment abroad continues to be the main reason for the pile of forms coming in. “A lot of families come to us to help them get passports and visas because they plan to go for Haj and Umra,’’ says Abdur Rahman Milli, a tour operator. An inspector adds that almost every other family has one member working abroad, a good enough reason for the rest of the family to get passports made.
After all isnt it said that d-babu phamily will join mulla-yam and fight 'national elections'
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