Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby ashdivay » 22 Sep 2008 12:16

still hoping someone would send me Shankar's scenarios in email.... i hope !
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Postby asbchakri » 22 Sep 2008 13:43

ashdivay wrote:still hoping someone would send me Shankar's scenarios in email.... i hope !
:cry:

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Sorry for the delay i was not well over the weekend, just sent the mail check it.

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Postby ashdivay » 22 Sep 2008 15:31

asbchakri wrote:
ashdivay wrote:still hoping someone would send me Shankar's scenarios in email.... i hope !
:cry:

Email - ashdivay AT gmail DOT com



Sorry for the delay i was not well over the weekend, just sent the mail check it.


TY sir. i am greatful . also sorry to hear about ur ilness. hope u feel better soon.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek_ahuja » 25 Sep 2008 08:59

OVER CENTRAL CHINA
DAY 2 + 2330 HRS


At four hundred kilometres above the earth, a lone satellite passed silently over the central Asian landmass. It had been going over similar routes for weeks now. Almost habitually now, its small but powerful optics focused on the landmass below. The real-time image provided was absolutely stunning to those seeing it no matter how many times they saw it. If it was daytime in the region the resulting images were in color. Right now, however, the images were in IR. It made it easier to detect man made activity than ever before. Using the same technique, the people at the Indian Aerospace Command had been keeping a wary eye on the Chinese bases in the region surrounding the Indian border...or trying to. But the Indian space assets were stretched thin trying to cover a two thousand kilometer front.

The problem was that there were too large a region to cover and not enough assets to cover it with. At the present rate the people at the Aerospace Command had been able to maintain a constant vigil only on selected high priority targets. Some of these included PLA units in Tibet but for the most part included Chinese missile bases that were capable of lobbing cruise missiles and ballistic missiles at Indian targets. In addition, the Indian Navy wanted high resolution images of the PLAN shipyards and they were getting that though not at the frequency they had requested. Nevertheless, naval assets on both sides were not something that affected the situation on a per minute basis.

Simply put, if the ships of both sides were to surge out at a given time, it would still require days before major contact was made between them. On the other hand, the missiles aimed at India through northern Tibet and central China could hit targets within minutes, and so they demanded more regular attention. The Cartosat was coming up on one such cruise missile base now...

“Okay. Here we go...” One of the three senior people at the Aerospace Command C3 centre said to no-one in particular even as his eyes continued to stare at the main screen showing the mountain ranges just northeast of the Chinese base.

“What the hell!” another commented as the base burst into view beyond the hills but the dark background was dotted with white puffs throughout the base. These represented hot regions against the cold winter terrain. Some of these white puffs were more like clouds and seems to be slowly drifting away...

“God damn it! They have launched!” The Air Marshal shouted so everybody knew what they were looking at. As if on cue, everybody’s attention was brought back to the screen as another white flash erupted against the black background and a hot white speck leaped into the air and began moving southwest as the optics on the satellite were zoomed back to try and track the course it was taking. The Air-Marshal moved decisively even as other struggled to come to terms with the quickness at which things were happening. He moved across the room and picked up the phone to contact the Strategic Forces Command. The phone call was answered immediately as it was supposed to be. The Air-Marshal spoke quietly:

“This is the ASC Commander. We are detecting large numbers of launch plumes on Chinese cruise missile bases across Central China. Launches are ongoing at this time with rough directions being southeast. I say again, we have in-bound Chinese cruise missiles. We are looking at a category one alpha strike...”

In the large hall of the underground bunker outside his office at the Aerospace Command, the people under the Air Marshal’s command were attempting to make sense of things. They were already adjusting the satellite’s view to detect other bases in the region and the same thing was detected everywhere. The Air Marshal completed his call and came back to see his juniors struggling to handle the vast amount of data pouring in. Luckily the computers were handling it for them as they classed the threats and passed them via satellite communications networks to various IAF ADGES centres.

“What’s the count?” the Air Marshal asked.

“Hundred plus and still counting...” the officer in charge reported.

As both men watched their team work around them, the large screen showing the images was clear: hundreds of launches across Central China were taking place before their eyes...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Mihir.D » 25 Sep 2008 09:11

vivek_ahuja wrote:OVER CENTRAL CHINA
DAY 2 + 2330 HRS


As both men watched their team work around them, the large screen showing the images was clear: hundreds of launches across Central China were taking place before their eyes...



Vivek,
can u give us the next installment as well? It would be good to have those CMs shot down before I get to office.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Anshul » 25 Sep 2008 10:56

Depending upon the class of CMs launched.We need to get all significant air assets air-borne.If the whole eastern theatre faces an outage,We may face a scenario where interceptors low on fuel crash on their way to bases in central india.

This can be followed by massive brigade level movements within a 12-24hr window which the IAF needs to initiate damage control,analyse damage and regroup surviving assets and personnel.Massive air evac to hospitals in shillong,rangia,jorhat,tezpur and bagdogra.The IAF may be unable to provide aircover for significant periods.Thats where our RBuAF needs to come into picture.

Aerostats doing perimeter surveillance may give advance warning.CARTOSAT may be too late to do anything significant.I wonder what kind of war-heads are in the offing.....nuclear? :|

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Postby asbchakri » 25 Sep 2008 11:02

Anshul wrote:Depending upon the class of CMs launched.We need to get all significant air assets air-borne.If the whole eastern theatre faces an outage,We may face a scenario where interceptors low on fuel crash on their way to bases in central india.

This can be followed by massive brigade level movements within a 12-24hr window which the IAF needs to initiate damage control,analyse damage and regroup surviving assets and personnel.Massive air evac to hospitals in shillong,rangia,jorhat,tezpur and bagdogra.The IAF may be unable to provide aircover for significant periods.Thats where our RBuAF needs to come into picture.

Aerostats doing perimeter surveillance may give advance warning.CARTOSAT may be too late to do anything significant.I wonder what kind of war-heads are in the offing.....nuclear? :|


I dont think it is nuclear. If it is they would be launching BM's not CM's. Also i dont think it would be nuclear war this early in conflict.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Anshul » 25 Sep 2008 11:13

asbchakri wrote:I dont think it is nuclear. If it is they would be launching BM's not CM's. Also i dont think it would be nuclear war this early in conflict.


Yup...our Yindoo-Yakhonts aren't nuclear tipped either.But CMs are capable of carryinG low yield nukes.
Imagine the scale of Fireworks when they hit IOC depots of aviation fuel in Tezpur and Jorhat.I can smell burning flesh :cry:

But their best bet would be to knock out Fort William further below.That wouldbe like knocking out the Pentagon of the Eastern Command.Total loss of situational awareness and the IA C3I would be in shambles

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek_ahuja » 25 Sep 2008 11:43

CHAPTER-2
STRATEGIC WAR


NEW DELHI
DAY 3 + 0000 HRS


The three men in suits broke into the reading room of the Prime Minister after some commotion outside. They found him standing near his personal library of books, looking alarmed and somewhat shocked at the rude and loud entry into the room. But he knew the faces of the men before him since he saw them everyday. They were in charge of his personal security and at the moment he knew something was wrong with the latter. The leader of the group spoke in an urgent tone of voice:
“Sir, please come with us now!”

“What’s going on Sunil?” the PM asked immediately.
“Sir, no time! We can brief you along the way. There is an Air Force helicopter approaching the helipad outside in a few minutes to evacuate you and your family! We need to move!”
“But wait! What...” the PM continued.

The leader of the security group now nearly forced the confused and somewhat frightened PM to walk with them as they led him out of the room. In the other rooms he saw other members of the security team leading his family members outside and near the helipad where heavily armed members of the SPG were standing guard all around the perimeter. The first sounds of the approaching helicopter were already filling the starlit skies now...

“Sunil, I demand to know what the hell is going on!” the PM shouted above the other noises.
“Sir, we have reports from the Army Commander that the Chinese have launched an all out missile attack against us. They detected the attack and are tracking them now. We are now evacuating you and other members of government and Military to Palam from where you will take off on board an Air Force aircraft and stay there until the threat is reduced.” The Security group leader reported as he watched the approaching Dhruv helicopter coming for a landing on the helipad.

“My god! But why are they attacking? We have done nothing but been friendly with them. I...” the PM continued almost to himself. The security group leader watched neutrally as his country’s leader was foundering in front of his eyes now that the threat of nuclear annihilation hanged over his head. But he was a professional like his other colleagues who were bursting into the rooms of the other government ministers and doing a similar job as himself. But he read the newspapers too, and knew that if there was one member in this government that should be saved at all cost to save this country, it was the Defence Minister, not the indecisive man he saw standing in front of him.

“Are they launching Nuclear Weapons?” the PM finally asked.
“We don’t know, sir. That’s why it is extremely important to get you out of here right now.”
“How much time do we have before the warheads hit Delhi?” the PM continued. The security group leader looked at his watch and nodded. They had just enough time to get the PM out.

At least to Palam airport, that is...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Nitesh » 25 Sep 2008 12:04

vivek_ahuja wrote:[b][size=150]CHAPTER-2
But he read the newspapers too, and knew that if there was one member in this government that should be saved at all cost to save this country, it was the Defence Minister, not the indecisive man he saw standing in front of him.


why our prime ministers are like this?

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek_ahuja » 25 Sep 2008 12:04

THE INDIAN NORTH-EAST
DAY 3 + 0005 HRS


The Chinese had achieved strategic surprise, but had lost the tactical one. A variety of factors including political ineptitude and lack of understanding of all things military by the leaders of the government over the last few weeks of the border dispute with China had finally culminated with the Chinese launching an all out strategic attack against a mentally and to a degree, physically, unprepared Indian government. But the Indian military had detected the launches with equal input from prowess and luck...

Now, the klaxons were sounding off on all Indian airbases in the Eastern, Central and Western Air Commands of the Indian Air Force even as headquarters in each of those commands began to take over the situation. The Chinese cruise missiles had been launched, with final number of detected launches being a staggering one hundred and seventy five in the first wave and more signs of other waves being prepared.

The Air Force had been luckier. Most of its assets were based deeper inside the country with strategic depth in this war being measured in the north-south axis rather than the east-west one if the enemy had been Pakistan. The Chinese cruise missiles had been launched far to the north of the border and that meant that chances of hitting southern bases were low. But preserving aircraft was not the whole picture. An Air Force is measured as a system including infrastructure, weapons, aircraft, personnel and morale, and not just on aircraft alone. If the northern airbases were lost, the ability of the IAF to preserve aerial density over the battlefield would disappear to the level of the PLAAF, and that was bad news.

But worse off was the Indian Army’s Eastern Command. The Eastern infrastructure was already poor and the Prime Minister had ensured that the Army Commanders had not been able to forward deploy their Divisions to the border yet. If the railway marshalling yards and roads were cut off or severely damaged, the Indian Army’s ability to reinforce the border would reduce to a trickle, which when combined with serious reduction in IAF capability would lead to defeat on the battlefield.

The only thing standing between that and the Chinese missiles was the Indian Air Force’s Air Defence Ground Environment system or ADGES, which was now swinging into action with launchers adjusting azimuth to allow Akash surface to air missiles to face the distant Himalayan peaks to the north waiting for the Chinese missiles to pop up into view. Twenty thousand feet above them three IAF aircraft, including a Phalcon AWACS and two indigenous AEW&C aircraft were now active as they waited for the first contacts to appear on their radar screens...

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Postby andy B » 25 Sep 2008 12:28

Vampire..Vampire...fast movers inbound multiple contacts :x

IMHO in this scenario our PM has suffered the Chini surprise that our leadership experienced during 62..... :evil:

History is repeating itself and it only gets worse everytime it happens.... :cry:

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Postby Mihir.D » 25 Sep 2008 13:02

vivek_ahuja wrote:THE INDIAN NORTH-EAST
DAY 3 + 0005 HRS
Twenty thousand feet above them three IAF aircraft, including a Phalcon AWACS and two indigenous AEW&C aircraft were now active as they waited for the first contacts to appear on their radar screens...

Hmmm..thats interesting.... !!!

Thanks for the triple posts Vivek !!!

Cheers.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Rupesh » 25 Sep 2008 14:24

The Eastern infrastructure was already poor and the Prime Minister had ensured that the Army Commanders had not been able to forward deploy their Divisions to the border yet. If the railway marshalling yards and roads were cut off or severely damaged, the Indian Army’s ability to reinforce the border would reduce to a trickle, which when combined with serious reduction in IAF capability would lead to defeat on the battlefield


Hope we won't loose Arunachal this time :!:

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Anshul » 25 Sep 2008 14:38

Rupesh wrote:
The Eastern infrastructure was already poor and the Prime Minister had ensured that the Army Commanders had not been able to forward deploy their Divisions to the border yet. If the railway marshalling yards and roads were cut off or severely damaged, the Indian Army’s ability to reinforce the border would reduce to a trickle, which when combined with serious reduction in IAF capability would lead to defeat on the battlefield


Hope we won't loose Arunachal this time :!:


Nopie...This is what we should do:-

    1.Draw them deep into NEFA
    2.Stretch their Air Assets
    3.Cut down all supply lines
    4.Obilerate a PLA Brigade with Yakhonts
    5.Take a PLA brigade as POW
    6.Negotaite on Aksai Chin and NEFA

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Postby Mihir.D » 25 Sep 2008 14:47

    4.Obilerate a PLA Brigade with Yakhonts
    5.Take a PLA brigade as POW
    6.Negotaite on Aksai Chin and NEFA


When did India get Yakhonts ?

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Postby asbchakri » 25 Sep 2008 14:49

Mihir.D wrote:
    4.Obilerate a PLA Brigade with Yakhonts
    5.Take a PLA brigade as POW
    6.Negotaite on Aksai Chin and NEFA


When did India get Yakhonts ?


I think he means Brahmos, which is derived from Yakhont :)
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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Anshul » 25 Sep 2008 14:53

Mihir.D wrote:When did India get Yakhonts ?


Yakhont derivative=Bramhos

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby sunny_s » 25 Sep 2008 15:47

real testing time for our air defence systems...time 2 retaliate..make those EDITED pee in their pants for this act smack em :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

sunny, don't turn this into a racial conflict.
that description also fits the people of our NE
Rahul.

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Postby asbchakri » 25 Sep 2008 17:37

sunny_s wrote:real testing time for our air defence systems...time 2 retaliate..make those EDITED pee in their pants for this act smack em :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


I dont think we have that many cruise missiles. All we have is only the Brahmos that too in limited capability and we have to depend on Russia for a major part of it. :evil: How may units did the IA order or procure until now?

We need Nirbhay real fast, so that we can make it in huge numbers. By the way is that completely our tech including engine :?:

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby sarabpal.s » 25 Sep 2008 22:27

Surprise is fun for reader.
in real life that would be disaster.

we r sitting duck against no. :shock:

no weapon can stop the dumping missile :cry:

how many sam u fire but most of incoming no missile find own target :roll:

cheap and best who need advance think :evil:

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby sunny_s » 25 Sep 2008 22:52

sunny_s wrote:real testing time for our air defence systems...time 2 retaliate..make those EDITED pee in their pants for this act smack em :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

sunny, don't turn this into a racial conflict.
that description also fits the people of our NE
Rahul.
buddy i m sorry if i have offended ne one... but my intensions was nt that.JAI HIND JAI BHARAT

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Vivek K » 25 Sep 2008 23:27

Nitesh wrote:
vivek_ahuja wrote:[b][size=150]CHAPTER-2
But he read the newspapers too, and knew that if there was one member in this government that should be saved at all cost to save this country, it was the Defence Minister, not the indecisive man he saw standing in front of him.


why our prime ministers are like this?

Nitesh, relax! This is fiction! And we are like this onleee! 8)

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vishnu.nv » 26 Sep 2008 06:58

Vivek , Please dont stop in such suspense, :( , at least give us the Good outcome of the attack like shankar does , ie most of the chinees missiles where low of quality hence missed the targets and fell upon the PIGS in near by gutter :D .

Can anybody explain the types of cruise missiles the PLA is having and their capabilities ?

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Postby andy B » 26 Sep 2008 09:25

vishnu.nv wrote:Vivek , Please dont stop in such suspense, :( , at least give us the Good outcome of the attack like shankar does , ie most of the chinees missiles where low of quality hence missed the targets and fell upon the PIGS in near by gutter :D .

Can anybody explain the types of cruise missiles the PLA is having and their capabilities ?


Some time back Chicom bought KH55 (AS-15 Kent) cruize mijjiles from Ukraine that they were checking out with the aim of reverse engineering em eventually. They have been very very secretive abt the cruise missiles especially.

http://www.sinodefence.com/strategic/mi ... issile.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DH-10

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/china/lacm.htm

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby neerajb » 26 Sep 2008 11:09

asbchakri wrote:How may units did the IA order or procure until now?


Don't know the numbers as of now but 2000 Brahmos are intended to be produced, 1000 for domestic consumption and 1000 for exports.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek_ahuja » 26 Sep 2008 13:02

NEW DELHI
DAY 3 + 0010 HRS


The Defence Minister was just as abruptly interrupted from his sleep as the PM had been in his office, but his reaction was more composed than that of the PM. He immediately got up and walked along with the three men from his personal security group even as he ordered for the phone. After he had ensured that his family was on the way to safety, and that the PM was already on the way to Palam for evacuation, he picked up the phone and called up the Army Commander, who was also the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff committee at the moment. The latter was at the Army Headquarters where another frantic midnight evacuation was underway. The Defence Minister was to the point:

“General, what’s the final count?”
“One hundred and seventy five counted during launch from central China. We were damn lucky to have detected it in time. But the region showed signs of preparation for second wave attacks. We still have some time to react, though, because at the current speed the missiles are still roughly an hour away.”

By this time the Defence Minister was in his car and on the way to the nearest helipad where he would be picked up and taken to Palam. He looked out at the empty midnight streets in the distance and saw a sleeping New-Delhi that knew nothing of the threat...
“Do we know what their targets are?”
“We have a preliminary idea. Mostly the targets are in the northeast and a few missiles were detected heading towards the Laddakh region. In addition roughly thirty-six missiles were seen heading in the rough direction of Delhi, Bareilly and Agra. It is a safe bet that they are attempting a decapitating strike against this government and its armed forces. But we have been lucky and should be able to evacuate almost everybody out of here in time.”

“That’s good to hear, General, but what about civilian casualties?” the Defence Minister asked, and he half expected the reply before it came:
“There are going to be some casualties. The Air Force is getting ready to present a maximum effort to try and take down as many of the missiles as they can once the latter cross the Himalayas but some are bound to get through. The Chinese navigation systems are not accurate enough for very high precision strikes. We are attempting to get as many people away from what we think are the major targets but an overall city level warning will have to come from the government, and that, sir, is your decision to make within the next few minutes...”

The Defence-Minister looked away from the windows and collected his own thoughts. The Chinese had launched an all out attack on this country which, even if it was conventional, was massive. And they had gone about it very smartly too. High level talks on the border issue had still been going as late as twelve hours ago. The PLA was not deployed at the borders and had given no reason of thinking about it either. But they had hundreds of thousands of fully acclimatized soldiers in Tibet who would now be moving at breaking speed to the border with India.
All of the cruise missiles that were on their way had been their new long ranged missiles thanks to which they had launched two thousand kilometres away from the border to evade detection, hoping to evade the snooping Indian eyes that they had estimated, mostly correctly, to be aimed at the regions near the border. Thanks to their game of political deception the PM had been fooled into forcing the border to not be reinforced in time. So now the nearest reinforcements for the Indian Army’s three Divisions in Arunachal Pradesh and Laddakh were still in their peace mode bases about to be severely attacked along with all transportation nodes that would have allowed them to enter the Himalayan peaks north of Assam. In addition the Chinese had attempted to decapitate the Indian side with unprecedented attacks on the Capital city.

But that was where they had failed. For all their planning, it depended a lot on good-luck. Unfortunately for them, the luck had been on the Indian side. Their missile launches had been detected almost by accident, and because they had launched from as far away as northern Tibet and other central Chinese regions, they had ended up giving that crucial hour of time to the Indian side to prepare themselves. The decapitation effort was failing by the moment while their strike effectiveness also decreased every time an IAF surface to air missile battery came online all along the border. But it wasn’t enough. One hour was still one hour no matter what you do. The Indian side would take losses. Heavy ones too...

The Defence Minister finally recovered from his thoughts before speaking into the phone again:
“General, what are our options for striking back at the Chinese?”

“Sir, we have several batteries of Brahmos cruise missiles in the northeast. I have ordered them active. One of the major targets at this time will have to include the PLAAF airbases in the Chengdu region as well as in Tibet. The Air Force will need some time before their aircraft can deliver the weapons, but the cruise missile batteries can be made active immediately.”
“Then do it! We have to start taking apart the Chinese ability to wage war in these first few hours the best we can. They won’t be expecting it either. Now’s the time for us to strike back when they least expect it. God only knows what the shape of our forces will be an hour from now when their missiles have done their dirty work. They may have taken us by surprise but we won’t make it easy for them!”

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Fifteen minutes later the IV Corps Commander got a priority message while he was on board a Army Aviation helicopter evacuating him and his staff from their headquarters even as the Chinese cruise missiles bored down on the Indian border. He read it and looked back at his Operations Commander, A Major-General himself; sitting across from him in the Dhruv helicopter as it sped through the dark valley to the new alternate advanced HQ. The smile on the face of the Lt-General at such a grim time forced his operations chief to ask the question to satisfy his curiosity:
“What’s that?”

“Finally some good news...”

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Singha » 26 Sep 2008 13:50

whatever you do make sure to do a smackdown on their power plants, POL farms and high
value H&D targets like the INTC plant in Chengdu....good luck soldier, the stage is yours.

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Postby Rupesh » 26 Sep 2008 14:00

Strait of malacca being mined will also be a good option

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Postby jamwal » 26 Sep 2008 14:35

Let Vivek write his own thing . Why disturb him with your suggestion/fantasy/wish regarding the story??

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Postby asbchakri » 26 Sep 2008 14:58

jamwal wrote:Let Vivek write his own thing . Why disturb him with your suggestion/fantasy/wish regarding the story??


As his fans we have all the right to put forth our requests, it's up to him to oblige our humble requests/suggestions :D :twisted: :wink: :mrgreen:

One more for biiiiig post the day vivek bhai :D

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Mihir.D » 26 Sep 2008 15:01

asbchakri wrote:
jamwal wrote:Let Vivek write his own thing . Why disturb him with your suggestion/fantasy/wish regarding the story??


As his fans we have all the right to put forth our requests, it's up to him to oblige our humble requests/suggestions :D :twisted: :wink: :mrgreen:

One more for biiiiig post the day vivek bhai :D


As his fans we have all the right to put forth our requests, it's up to him to oblige our humble requests/suggestions :D :twisted: :wink: :mrgreen:

Yea....One more biiiiig post for the day vivek bhai :D

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Sudhanshu » 28 Sep 2008 10:20

Vivek, anticipation and suspense is killing us.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek_ahuja » 28 Sep 2008 12:49

AIRSPACE OVER THE GREAT HIMALAYAN RANGE
ARUNACHAL PRADESH
INDIA
DAY 3 + 0050 HRS


It was all a game of mathematics. Missiles travelling at nine hundred kilometres per hour launched from over two thousand kilometres away meant a flight time of more than two hours. Under the circumstances, the Chinese commanders were feeling every second in that time to span an hour each while their counterparts on the Indian side felt the reverse. The latter were mobilizing and preparing their defences the best they could, but now less than half an hour remained before the missiles broke through the skies over the Great Himalayan ranges...

The crew of the Embraer AEW aircraft flying northeast of Chabua near the Chaukan Pass hills at the extreme tip of the Indian defences was expecting to be the first ISR node to spot the incoming cruise missiles, followed by another similar aircraft and a Phalcon much further to the south. On board the aircraft the pilot and co-pilot stared out of the cockpit to see the dark night sky. The aircraft was basically flying along a northwest-southeast axis in order to present the radar broadside to the inbounds.

The aircraft did not have the radar range required in the forward arc to fly and the airborne dorsal mounting could not be moved about nor was it aligned in a triangle format like the Phalcon so that the flight profile could be varied. But then again, this aircraft was not the heavy hitter that the Phalcon was supposed to be. It was the main reason why the people at the Eastern Air Command Air Defence C3I had placed them here, just inside the Indian border.

In the cabin behind, the small crew of radar operators was already pouring over the data coming onto their main screens to try and spot the small radar contacts that fit the flight profile of the Chinese LACMs. All of them were also keeping an eye on the time to estimated contact as the latter wound down to single digit minutes...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby neerajb » 28 Sep 2008 13:12

[b]the Chinese commanders were feeling every second in that time to span an hour each


Please don't make us feel like them. Eagerly waiting for the next dose.

Cheers....

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek_ahuja » 28 Sep 2008 13:21

LEH AIRBASE
DAY 3 + 0055 HRS


“Let’s go people! Move!” Khurana shouted as he ran over to the hardened aircraft shelter. He could see the flashing strobe lights of the last of the fulcrums waiting at the end of the runway while another was spotted with the full afterburner tail as it raced into the sky. Khurana’s flight was the last to be scrambled as his squadron had waited for the last possible moment to scramble. It was simple logic. The Fulcrum only had so much endurance once in the air, and with every single aircraft in the IAF inventory rushing for the safety of the skies, there weren’t enough IL-78s around to refuel everyone. And once the missiles broke through, and some definitely would, it was anyone’s guess whether or not they would be able to land back here or not. They would need to stay up there in the minutes after the attack for the confusion to be sorted out before recovering to one airbase or another. But with the missiles now less than half an hour out, there was no more time to waste...

Khurana was already climbing into the cockpit by the time the last two Fulcrums to leave before him taxied past his shelter towards the runway. He could see them in the distance as he settled into his cockpit while the ground crewmen ran all around checking the live weapons hanging from the pylons as also doing a last minute check. Khurana knew that these men he saw working around him would have to bear the attacks here while most of his pilots would be in the air. He wished them the best of luck and ordered them to seek shelter immediately before closing the cockpit around him. A minute later the Mig-29’s nose emerged from the shelter into the cold Laddakh air and headed for the runway.

Most of the Fulcrums were in the air now except for the one just ahead of Khurana’s. The one damaged aircraft from the incident with the Chinese J-10 two days ago would have to be left behind at the mercy of the Chinese cruise missiles. The Squadron’s CO, W/C Suri and Khurana had both decided based on the engineering report that there was no choice. It had been placed in one of the outer HAS and secured and that was about all that could be done for it.
Khurana now regretted his order to his wingman two days to disengage from the Chinese J-10. He pulled himself out of his thoughts a minute later as the voice from the ATC ran out on the R/T:

“...Claw-One, this is Tower-One. You are clear for immediate take-off.”
“Roger, Tower-One. Claw-One is rolling.” Khurana released the brakes and pushed the throttle forward and into afterburner. The aircraft leaped forward on the runway. several seconds later the aircraft was in the air and climbing out of Leh and above the Laddakh peaks. The ATC controller’s voice came back again:

“Tower-One to all Claw elements. Switch to Eagle-Eye-One for airborne control. Score one for all of us down here. Good luck. Tower-One is shutting down... ”

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek_ahuja » 28 Sep 2008 13:36

AIRSPACE OVER THE GREAT HIMALAYAN RANGE
ARUNACHAL PRADESH
INDIA
DAY 3 + 0105 HRS


“We have contact! Multiple inbounds detected on bearing zero-three-five!” the radar controller shouted into his headset for all inside the aircraft to hear. Even as the MC was rushing down the central corridor between the consoles the radar operator was already switching the computer to track mode and the latter was checking the flight profile data. A few seconds later it was confirmed.

“Confirmed Chinese cruise missiles inbound. Tracking seventeen, eighteen and counting!”
By this time the MC was behind the console operator and seeing the data for himself while other operators were also now confirming detection. The MC switched the comms network so that he was able to talk with his seniors in the massive underground bunkers at the Eastern Air Command HQ. There the EAC Commander was looking at the same large screen showing the radar tracks of the inbound missiles. The small timer on the side had switched from showing estimated time to contact to estimated time of impact. The EAC Commander leaned back as he stood and silently watched his Command go to war.

Okay. Here we go...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby SriniY » 28 Sep 2008 15:14

Excellent Vivek Garu, Simply Brilliant. I just cant have enough.

I hope your book has a lot of this.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek_ahuja » 28 Sep 2008 15:17

DAY 3 + 0115 HRS

War officially broke out between India and China on the eastern front when the first of the Chinese cruise missiles cleared the peaks of the northern Arunachal Pradesh and streaked southwards. Almost every type of defence that could be erected on the Indian side to defend against such an attack was up and running. But for all that the worst off were the three Mountain Divisions of the IV Corps deployed in the hills of Arunachal Pradesh. They faced the worst odds including shortest reaction time, difficult terrain for high end surface to air missiles and difficult radar coverage. The only defences that had any chance whatsoever were the radar directed gun batteries and the hand held surface to air missiles trying to intercept the missiles as they headed past them towards the south.

Of the three dozen Chinese missiles aimed at the Indian Army in the region, most went through unscathed after streaking down the valleys. A few were knocked out of the sky near the Tawang sector as the few Tunguska systems in the region took their toll on the enemy. A handful of others were also knocked out of the sky in the east more by sheer luck than anything else. But with only a dozen or so missiles aimed per Division, the Chinese intentions were light anyway. Their missiles lacked the accuracy required to take down very minute targets at such long ranges, and so they were more aimed at the various HQs in each Division as also the major artillery batteries. All three Division HQs and the Corps HQ had been evacuated to alternate sites in the past hour. But the evacuation had been hectic and incomplete and that was to prove costly.

The ground shook violently throughout the region as the first of the Chinese missiles slammed into their targets in the hills of Arunachal Pradesh. Brigade and Division HQs in all three Divisions of IV Corps took hits and many went offline with attempts to save the equipment having been incomplete at the time of the attack. The skies lit up with orange fireballs rising into the sky as the Indian Army defences took a beating. Most of the artillery batteries in the region were mauled because of their immobility and lack of time. The UAV feed had been shut down since the past half hour as the ground crews had attempted to recover their aircraft and their equipment before the attack. But it hadn’t been possible to evacuate the entire equipment in an hour. The biggest blow came when the UAV bases near Tawang, Bomdila and Walong took direct hits. Most of the command trailers were destroyed while others were thrown about like junk under the force of the explosions. One crucial ISR node had now gone down, and the attacks had just begun...

Even as the three Indian Divisions in the hills of Arunachal Pradesh reeled under the attacks, the rest of the Chinese missiles were already streaking overhead as they went south towards the main focus of the attack: the Indian infrastructure south of the Himalayas. This was where the cleared the hills and presented themselves to the main Indian air defences. Battery after battery of Akash SAMs now came online as the Rajendra Radars immediately picked up the contacts. But the numbers were against them: with over seventy missiles for this region diving into their targets in the region around the Brahmaputra River, the engagement time was short. But for all that the Akash missiles leaped into the sky in ripples, one after another until the launcher rails were empty. Of the seventy odd missiles racing in, thirty one were knocked out of the sky in massive fireballs throughout the region. But with that short and brutal engagement complete, the crews of the Akash batteries watched helplessly as the remaining missiles flew into their targets...

Airbases at Chabua, Jorhat and Tezpur received the brunt of the damage despite the efforts of the Akash batteries. There were just too many missiles in the sky to take care of. The massive thunderclaps and orange-yellow fireballs raced skywards and shook the region. Contact with all three airbases was immediately lost and not recovered. The road junctions north of Tezpur received a direct hit from a Chinese missile, though the others heading for the same area had been knocked out by the Akash missile battery to the east.

Further to the west, Hashimara airbase received multiple hits and went offline with major craters on the runway while raging fires gripped the ATC building. Most of the buildings at the airbase were shredded by the force of the explosions going off around them.
In the central sector the losses were less heavy. With barely twenty five missiles targeted at the entire sector of the border stretching from Sikkim to Himachal Pradesh, the damage reports were sporadic. Most of the missiles fell prey to the critically placed SAMs in the region. But a few of the forward airbases received a few hits but whose damage outweighed the number of impacts. At Bareilly airbase the main runway was severely cratered while at Agra the main ATC building was decimated to the ground, also destroying a good portion of the tarmac nearby. The destruction of the ATC would cause hindrance to the handling of large traffic at the airbase in the days to come.

In New-Delhi the damage was again minimal. With a combination of the single S-300 battery north of the city and two Akash Batteries for the city alone, the defensive fire to the few incoming Chinese missiles was massive. Only one of the latter made it into the city where it slammed into the Air HQ building in a shattering explosion and fire that was visible though out the city. The building itself had been evacuated before the attack, but the first visible signs of the war to the mainstream Indian public was that of the furiously burning HQ building of the Indian Air Force. Although in realistic terms the damage to the IAF’s war waging abilities was near zero, the effect on the morale was bound to be significant.

The last of the hits to be suffered was in the Laddakh region which was again mainly centred on a few of the critical airbases at Leh, Daulat Beg Oldi, Chushul and Thoise as also the main Indian Army centres. Leh was the only airbase to suffer massive damage to its tarmac areas and buildings. Just as it was in the east, the worst damage to be suffered by the forces in the west was the losses in artillery. The Chinese had taken particular care to target these units, and the results were lopsided in their favour. Several of the MLRS batteries of the Indian army in Laddakh were now no more than scrap metal...

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The Defence Minister read through the single page message he had received from the Army Commander before removing his glasses and rubbing his eyes. The realization finally sank in: India had been attacked. The Defence Minister was no fool. Even as the people around him frantically tried to determine the scale of the losses, he knew exactly what had happened and that a long and bitter struggle now beckoned on the horizon...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Nitesh » 28 Sep 2008 17:14

when is the counter attack happening? :twisted: :twisted: :evil: :evil:


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