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neerajbhandari wrote:So what according to you will anger Chinese to the extent that suddenly the PLA will decide to neutralize Tezpur? IMHO again, Surprise attack is the one which comes without formal declaration of war but it doesn't mean that there is no trigger for that. The trigger could be anything like a skirmish at the border, downing of the adversary aircraft etc.
See, this is the classic confusion between the two subdivisions of 'surprise', namely, tactical surprise and strategic surprise.

Tactical surprise would be when both sides expect war but still one side manages to outmaneuver the other using some ruse or advantage. In most cases this does not result in mass losses on the victim even though he takes losses.

Strategic surprise is another matter altogether. Here one side conceals its intentions to such a degree that the other side expects peace until the moment the shells start dropping. This can involve a series of diplomatic or political or even strategic ruses. Although such cases in history are less, they still show the almost decisive losses that the victim takes that end up fixing the result of the war in the first few hours itself.

Now, while I have enough faith in the capabilities of our armed forces to ensure that a tactical surprise attack results in minimum losses, I have zero faith in our political and intelligence analysts to that level that I am seriously worried about the strategic surprise attack.

It is this latter case that I was alluding to when I said that Tezpur is vulnerable.

The concept of 'triggers' is something that the enemy can use to his own advantage. For example, if both sides realize that a certain event can lead to war, and then both mobilize, then the idea of strategic surprise is worthless. If, however, the enemy decides to not act, but instead act as if it wants to diffuse the situation through diplomacy etc, he can let the trigger pass away into the past and lull the other side into lowering their defences back to peacetime level before deciding to attack. Now, if the other side is smart, and understands this possibility, this won't happen. But with politicians such as ours, falling for something like this is real.

Finally, with BMs and CMs, there is little evidence to show suspicious activity and even then you need massive ISR assets to do the job, which in our case we don't have. If an initial attack is initiated with these measures along with an air campaign, you could have a situation where both sides are fighting an air war even as armies on both sides rush to the border. In this case the side that is taken by surprise and loses space over the battlefield to the enemy can leave his mobilizing ground forces and their marshaling nodes vulnerable to the enemy air force to try and hinder and delay. In this way they can affect the ground war indirectly. In other words, you don't need to mass your people at the border to win the ground war if strategic surprise is achieved, and this in turn allows you to take that one piece of evidence that could allow your plan to be blown before it starts (i.e. the movement of ground forces to the border) and use it against the other side.


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Rahul M wrote:kartik your reasonings are lost on this fellow. he already knows all there is to know.
also, he has already solved India's mrca dilemma.
Rahul,

Can u convey his gyan to the babus in the governement and IAF so they don't go trough all the trials and discussions to select the MRCA?Going by his logic we would have the MRCA flying Jan 2009.
Wouldn't that make many on BR pretty happy :D .
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Nice point vivek. But you have generalized the enemy in your explanation. Like you said that Indian politicians lack the foresight in strategic matters, the same can be said about Chinese counterparts i.e. if we look at the history chines policy is to encroach with deception and not all out preemptive offensive war. Like in 1962 they used diplomacy and threat to win. In case of Taiwan too they are using the same terror tactics otherwise what is holding them back to take Taiwan with the type of scenerio you mentioned.

Anyway I'll not derail the thread further and attract MOD warning.

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neerajbhandari wrote:Anyway I'll not derail the thread further and attract MOD warning.
I agree. Let's take this to the China thread. It might be worthwhile to talk more about this topic there.

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K Mehta wrote:AoA, The kuffars also getting influenzed by the use of pingreji.

F-35 at least 400% better in air-to-air combat against Russian Sukhois says Lockheed Martin
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I don't think that F35 is better then SU30.Australian news paper article is even explaining that MiG 29 is way superier then F18.If F35 is better then Indonesian SU30's then austrailian will order F 35.they are not going to order F 35.Only fighter can fight with SU 30's is F 22.The way F 22 cost , 2 or 3 SU 30 can take care off F 22.
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kuldipchager wrote:I don't think that F35 is better then SU30.Australian news paper article is even explaining that MiG 29 is way superier then F18.If F35 is better then Indonesian SU30's then austrailian will order F 35.they are not going to order F 35.Only fighter can fight with SU 30's is F 22.The way F 22 cost , 2 or 3 SU 30 can take care off F 22.
The Aussies are putting up a load of crap...the primary reason behind it is that they want the RAAF to be equipped with the 22 but amrikhan are not letting em have it. I live in melbourne and have attended three of their airshows so far...everytime something comes up in the papers saying that oh we need the 22 the 35 will be outclassed...blah...blah...blah.

Also yes the 35's apg 81 might be a bit more sophisticated, but the rambha is going through a rolling upgrade as well so it will be updated. The rambha's radar aperture is also significantly bigger than the 81, it will have a lot more power than the 81. Just my 2 cents :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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kuldipchager wrote:I don't think that F35 is better then SU30.Australian news paper article is even explaining that MiG 29 is way superier then F18.If F35 is better then Indonesian SU30's then austrailian will order F 35.they are not going to order F 35.Only fighter can fight with SU 30's is F 22.The way F 22 cost , 2 or 3 SU 30 can take care off F 22.
Thats just dramabaazi to get the F-22 which the Aussies seem to be obsessed with,esp hon. Carlo Kopp who keeps publishing doomsday stories of how Oz land will be eaten up unless the magical raptors arrive....
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Carlo Kopp who keeps publishing doomsday stories of how Oz land will be eaten up unless the magical raptors arrive....
any links for those stories i think Oz are worried with the growing IN influence in IOR,and i think they see threat in Growing Indian Might,may be there are worried that someday we will have a base in Fiji Islands to protect interests of PIO there.i wish we have it :)
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Leaked Rand analysis questions USAF fighter strategy, sparks inadvertent F-35 crisis
By Stephen Trimble

A leaked briefing about a recent Taiwan Straits war game has developed rapidly into an international crisis for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter programme.

The leaked Rand analysis obtained by Flight International reveals deep concerns about the US Air Force's current air dominance strategy relying on stealth, forward basing and beyond visual range kills.

Despite the report's impact on the F-35 programme, the Lockheed Martin stealth fighter is mentioned only briefly on a back-up slide. The F-35 was not singled out for criticism, but neither did its appearance in the war game measurably improve the blue force's odds of success.

"Rand did not present any analysis at the war game relating to the performance of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, nor did the game attempt detailed adjudication of air-to-air combat," Rand says. "Neither the game nor the assessments by Rand in support of the game undertook any comparison of the fighting qualities of particular fighter aircraft."

Maj Gen Charles Davis, chief of the F-35 joint programme office, and Lockheed Martin executive Tom Burbage attacked critical press coverage based on the Rand report, and attempted to reassure sensitive international partners nearing major acquisition decisions.

The frequency and timing of the published attacks, as well as their "completely" errant content, has prompted Davis to suspect foul play.

"It's disappointing and I guess not surprising that these articles come when they do," Davis says. "When articles show up that are just flat false there's got to be a reason for that."

Davis, who has previously accused Boeing of spreading lies about the F-35, could not provide a specific agenda motivating the programme's critics, but speculated "there's money involved and companies involved."

However, Australian MP David Jensen, an outspoken JSF critic widely quoted in the recent articles, has offered a sharp rebuttal to Davis. "Quite frankly that's baloney," says Jensen, who previously worked as a naval analyst within Australia's Ministry of Defence. "My point is that once the F-35 is detected the thing basically will just have to accept the conditions of the conflict."

Jensen advocates scrapping the F-35A and Boeing F/A-18E/F. He would prefer that Australia, increasingly flanked by Sukhoi Su-27-equipped nations, maintain General Dynamics F-111s and seek US export approval to buy Lockheed F-22s.
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War game argues that USAF fleet could be outmatched by Chinese
By Stephen Trimble

Rand's 90-slide briefing presented in August argues that the US Air Force's fifth-generation fighter fleet could be outmatched by hordes of lesser-skilled Chinese Sukhoi Su-27 pilots in a 2020 battle over the Taiwan Straits. In the Rand war game, China launches an air attack on skies above Taiwan. Using advantages of proximity and sheer numbers, the assault force consists of 72 Su-27 Flankers, 24 in each of three regiments. Operating from Andersen AFB, Guam, the USAF can muster only six Lockheed F-22s in the Taiwan Straits at any time.

As the engagement starts, Chinese Flankers outnumber F-22s by 72 to six. The F-22s are also heavily outgunned in the battle. Three Su-27 regiments carry a total of 912 air-to-air missiles, compared with 48 by six F-22s.

In the end, the simulation optimistically assumes no F-22s are shot down in dogfights, but enough Su-27s break through to wipe out the USAF's tankers. Since the F-22s lack the range to return to a friendly base, they are lost anyway.
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In the meantime ........

Statement Regarding Media Coverage of F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
FOR RELEASE
Thursday
September 25, 2008

Andrew Hoehn, Director of RAND Project Air Force, made the following statement today:

“Recently, articles have appeared in the Australian press with assertions regarding a war game in which analysts from the RAND Corporation were involved. Those reports are not accurate. RAND did not present any analysis at the war game relating to the performance of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, nor did the game attempt detailed adjudication of air-to-air combat. Neither the game nor the assessments by RAND in support of the game undertook any comparison of the fighting qualities of particular fighter aircraft.”
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War game argues that USAF fleet could be outmatched by Chinese

For the record i highly doubt 72 Flankers will go up against 6 F-22s. Taiwan has no AF or Airdefence has it? Uncle Sam has no other Fighters based in Guam? No Carriers? Why would they send 6 F-22s. Hell 6 F-22s would loose to 72 Mig-21s in the above senario.

I smell dirty Pottymouth lobbyist here.
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rkhanna wrote:
War game argues that USAF fleet could be outmatched by Chinese

For the record i highly doubt 72 Flankers will go up against 6 F-22s. Taiwan has no AF or Airdefence has it? Uncle Sam has no other Fighters based in Guam? No Carriers? Why would they send 6 F-22s. Hell 6 F-22s would loose to 72 Mig-21s in the above senario.

I smell dirty Pottymouth lobbyist here.
Typical amrikhan idotic propoganda....all this will eventually always lead to them to try and convince congress to sign off for more than 172 raptors.

Taiwan has a very advanced air def network comprising of I-hawks, patriots, and their locally produced Ten Kung, Ten Kung II (SkyBow I & II) medium to longrange missiles.

They also have a comprehensive SHORAD setup comprising of Chaprral, Stingers, Sky guard setup.

Add to that a whole range of advanced medium and long range surveillance and acquisition radars....all this is gonna give panda's airforce some serious headaches.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... e-over.htm

Add to all of this their airforce which has ef-sollahs, mirage 2000s, tigers and their locally produced Ching Quo fsollah clone.

The amrikhans have supplied some very advance weaponery to them which they will gladly use against Panda... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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The IAF was filling low-level gaps in the southern peninsula with the induction of more radars and wanted to jointly manage air space with the civil aviation sector all over the country to enhance domain awareness. The IAF chief said the Tezpur air base would be the first in the eastern region to host the potent Sukhoi-30 MKI fighters.

“The Prime Minister, during his visit to the north-east recently, announced development works, including better roads, advanced landing grounds, etc. In the IAF, we have brought forward some programmes to beef up the infrastructure in the north-east.”

Having resolved the spares issue, the IAF wants Hindustan Aeronautical Limited to produce around 22 to 23 aircraft annually to speed up their deployment as against the 15 it made this year.
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Having resolved the spares issue, the IAF wants Hindustan Aeronautical Limited to produce around 22 to 23 aircraft annually to speed up their deployment as against the 15 it made this year.
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Isnt It Sweet :).lets go for 300 MKI by 2012 that will make a formidable IAF,will give conifdence to meet chinis Eye to Eye
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narayana wrote:
Isnt It Sweet :).lets go for 300 MKI by 2012 that will make a formidable IAF,will give conifdence to meet chinis Eye to Eye
That would be great.And lets hope we order the 70 more from Russkies to then can come on time.
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narayana wrote:Isnt It Sweet .lets go for 300 MKI by 2012 that will make a formidable IAF,will give conifdence to meet chinis Eye to Eye
we have about 60 MKIs right now. so 240 more MKIs in 4 years seems a long shot!
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Dmurphy wrote: we have about 60 MKIs right now. so 240 more MKIs in 4 years seems a long shot!
the additional 40 lot will directly come from russian manufacturers,if you add 18 replacements also then it will make 120 by mid of next year(if u didnt include the 18 in ur figure)

and while we boost production rate from hal and add a few more simultaneously from russian inventory we can reach 300, take 10-15 +/-.

actually 230 SU 30 MKi was visioned by 2014 but as we increased Production rate from HAL and few more from direct russian assembly,i think this is doable.

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and how many pilots would these 300 MKI's need.. how are we going to get the pilots for these birds??
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300 MKI's = 1200 pilots min. Add 126+64 MRCA another 400 pilots and if 200 LCA comes in to the picture 400 pilots for that too.2000 fighter pilots needed by 2020.
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narayana wrote:actually 230 SU 30 MKi was visioned by 2014 but as we increased Production rate from HAL and few more from direct russian assembly,i think this is doable.
IIRC, the 230 Su-30 MKIs were visioned by 2017 earlier...but it was then decided to hand over to Russia some part of the production so that all of them roll out by 2014! o i doubt if it can get faster than this.
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300 MKI's = 1200 pilots min. Add 126+64 MRCA another 400 pilots and if 200 LCA comes in to the picture 400 pilots for that too.2000 fighter pilots needed by 2020.
You could add a few hundreds more for the impending delivery of MiG-29s for the Navy and the Hawks. I'm not even mentioning the soon-to-come choppers here. I suppose they'll push some of the seniors to an Instructor's role and bring in fresh blood. Where are Dhoni & Vengsarkar when we need them the most? :twisted:
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narayana wrote:the additional 40 lot will directly come from russian manufacturers,if you add 18 replacements also then it will make 120 by mid of next year
Assuming we'll have 60 new MKIs next year, where are we gonna base them? Sq. 30 will go to Tezpur and will be replaced by a new sqaudron. My hunch is, Bareilly. I read a news article sometime back stating that they're looking to make Bareilly a home base for the Sukhois in the Northern/North Eastern region. It also stated that Bareilly will house a state of the art simulator for MKI pilots.

What says everyone?
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Yes it's going to be Bareilly..

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Initially HAL was contracted to produce 140 aircrafts by 2018 which was later revised in 2005 to be completed by 2015. In 2005 HAL reworked it's contracts with Russians to acquire some additional components directly instead of producing them locally to improve the financial return in a 3 year shorter depreciation cycle for its assembly line. First batch of 2 HAL produced aircrafts were handed over to IAF in 2005. As per HAL director's report in 2006, IIRC, it produces 10 aircrafts and last year it produced 15. From this year onwards IAF wants HAL to produce 23-25 aircrafts/year until 2015. Even if production stabilizes at last year level of 15 aircrafts/year, HAL would still come out ahead of the schedule.

So we should have 50+27 = 77 SU30s
If you take out 18 Su 30K we have 59MKI in service at the end of 2007
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vavinash wrote:300 MKI's = 1200 pilots min. Add 126+64 MRCA another 400 pilots and if 200 LCA comes in to the picture 400 pilots for that too.2000 fighter pilots needed by 2020.
not necessarily. the IAF would be looking to maintain a 1:1.2 to 1:1.3 ratio between aircraft and fighter pilots.
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Dmurphy wrote:
narayana wrote:the additional 40 lot will directly come from russian manufacturers,if you add 18 replacements also then it will make 120 by mid of next year
Assuming we'll have 60 new MKIs next year, where are we gonna base them? Sq. 30 will go to Tezpur and will be replaced by a new sqaudron. My hunch is, Bareilly. I read a news article sometime back stating that they're looking to make Bareilly a home base for the Sukhois in the Northern/North Eastern region. It also stated that Bareilly will house a state of the art simulator for MKI pilots.

What says everyone?
Bareilly already houses the No.24 Hunting Hawks AFAIK. No.20 and No.30 squadrons are based at Lohegaon and one of them will move to Tezpur so that another one is raised at Lohegaon. Considering the number of squadrons to be raised, the IAF should have at least 2 bases where it can raise new MKI squadrons.
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Yes No 24 Hawks are in Barelli and Lohegaon, Pune houses No 20 lightinings and No 30 Rhinos. No 30 will be moved to Tezpur and a new squadron raised at Pune. IMO it is going to be No 8 Pursoots. Have the Pursoots got their first MKI or still awaiting aircrafts?

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http://www.forceindia.net/cover.asp
Su-30MKIs in Leh

Manoeuvring their way through the indomitable Ladakh ranges

By Pravin Sawhney and Ghazala Wahab

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Blazing a trail of white smoke the Su-30MKI flew over the Spituk Gompa overlooking the Leh airfield and disappeared behind the indomitable Ladakh ranges, with the grey of the fighter merging with the grey of the stark mountains. Another Sukhoi followed in quick succession and disappeared behind the peak adjacent to the first one.
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http://www.forceindia.net/cover7.asp
Dream Machines

With the induction of Su-30MKIs, Bareilly station takes a strategic turn

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Bareilly: Till a few years ago, the Bareilly Air Force Station reflected the spirit of the town it is based in: Sleepy and not on many people’s radar screens. Its operational role, though no less important, was executed by its helicopter unit and included communications, casualty evacuation and search and rescue in the hills of Uttaranchal.

But the coming of Su-30K in 2004 changed all that. In 2003, Pune-based Su-30Ks, which were given by the Russians as an interim measure, pending the development of India-specific fighter, were replaced by Su-30MKI, the first aircraft to be built exclusively for India according to the parameters laid down by the IAF. Consequently, the older aircraft were shifted to Bareilly, till the station got its very own squadron of Su-30MKI a year later. Today, the air station has two squadrons of Su-30MKIs, its pilots are just back after participating in the US-led exercise Red Flag and four of its fighters are in Leh doing preliminary flying in the high altitude.
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SB052
SB127
SB13?
SB12?

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thanks kakarat for the serial no.

serial 13(5 ?) confirms more than 30 HAL mki's.
serial 52 speaks of new deliveries from russia, it was upto 050 previously, including 32 mki's.

we are now in a position to have a relook at the numbers. it's at least around 70 now.

Q. Jagan and other gurus, would IAF re-assign the first 18 serials to new mki's once they are available ? is there a precedence of this sort ?

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Rahul M wrote:thanks kakarat for the serial no.

serial 13(5 ?) confirms more than 30 HAL mki's.
serial 52 speaks of new deliveries from russia, it was upto 050 previously, including 32 mki's.

we are now in a position to have a relook at the numbers. it's at least around 70 now.

Q. Jagan and other gurus, would IAF re-assign the first 18 serials to new mki's once they are available ? is there a precedence of this sort ?

TIA.

Rahul, not a practice to re-issue old serials to new aircraft of a different mark/type. But you never know - it happened with Iskras and MiG-21Us.
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What is happening to the 18 mothbolled one. Are they stil in Pune? Are we even getting 18 replacements (in spite of al the media report).
The 52 is an interesting number, is that part of 18 or part of new 40?
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fanne wrote:What is happening to the 18 mothbolled one. Are they stil in Pune? Are we even getting 18 replacements (in spite of al the media report).
The 52 is an interesting number, is that part of 18 or part of new 40?
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regarding the 18 k's nobody is really sure what has happened. but we will get new mki's at the end, whether for exchange or not. just forget that we ever had the k's !

the serial is in this fashion SB 001-018 --> su-30K from russia
SB 019 onwards su-30mki from russia.
SB 101 onwards --> HAL mki's.
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True,
If we are not going to return SU30Ks, we should use them. I guess we are still negotiating on what happens to these 18s. We would have been saying take back these 18 and give us new 18 Mkis for free (as per contract). The Russian would have been arguing that since 18 SUKs have been used, we need to pay (I think the contract is silent on this regard). It would be a shame if we can't quickly resolve this. IAF is facing shortage of number, 18 SUK is still a good air fighter (it has no to limited A-G capability). It is better than, I hope Mirage and 29s, upgrade the radar and avionics to SU30MKI standard and use them. Maybe these should be the one to be sent to exercise offshore (though most AF would not agree to that). Though maintaining 18 would be tough and hugely costly, in that money you could support couple or more 30MKI.
Why we keep on facing these kinds of issue. Why the IAS officer, who are supposedly very smart, come up with a fool proof contract. (Not that would matter with Russia).
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fanne wrote:True,
If we are not going to return SU30Ks, we should use them. I guess we are still negotiating on what happens to these 18s. We would have been saying take back these 18 and give us new 18 Mkis for free (as per contract). The Russian would have been arguing that since 18 SUKs have been used, we need to pay (I think the contract is silent on this regard). It would be a shame if we can't quickly resolve this. IAF is facing shortage of number, 18 SUK is still a good air fighter (it has no to limited A-G capability). It is better than, I hope Mirage and 29s, upgrade the radar and avionics to SU30MKI standard and use them. Maybe these should be the one to be sent to exercise offshore (though most AF would not agree to that). Though maintaining 18 would be tough and hugely costly, in that money you could support couple or more 30MKI.
Why we keep on facing these kinds of issue. Why the IAS officer, who are supposedly very smart, come up with a fool proof contract. (Not that would matter with Russia).
rgds,
fanne
IIRC, the old Su-30s were to be to bought back at about $5 million a piece because they had already completed hundreds of flying hours. There were also reports that Belarus was interested in buying those a/cs. Whatever happened to that? Somebody on this forum mentioned that they were still lying around at Lohegaon in Jan earlier this year.

Here they are
Wonder when this pic was taken.
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Post by fanne »

At 5 mil we should ourself buy it.
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fanne wrote:True,
upgrade the radar and avionics to SU30MKI standard and use them.
The K cannot be upgraded to MKI. We will have to built up a new supply chain to support just 18 aircraft. As you said that would be too expensive.

Somebody who has traveled to Pune by air in the recent times will be able to tell you if the birds are still there.
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BTW, this thing keeps pricking my mind.

We all believe the final order numbers of Sukhois to be 230. Of which the final order for 40 MKIs were to be produced in Russia.

So here's my doubt. IIRC, we ordered those 40 a/cs on Russia around the same time as the IAF was asking for a faster production rate of the Sukhois. So there a chance that those 40 a/cs ordered are just a part of the 190 that were ordered earlier but are to be produced by Russia only to speed up their induction. There is a possibility that its some DDM's work that suggests the final numbers to be 230 and not 190.

I hope i'm wrong here.
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Post by fanne »

bUT $5 MIL is peenuts. Each 25 years old Mirage is going to cost $40 mil to upgrade!! The logistics should already be there, we flew it for 8-9 years. I guess if we can get into say 40 years long contract with the OEM for support, that should mitigate the risk. Countirs like Indonesia/Vietnam operate grand total of 18 Sukhois, that much big this number is. An 18 of them say in Assam would be good to restore some baance in that area.
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