J & K news and discussion

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 29 Sep 2008 20:13

Home Ministry asks Army to explain Kashmir infiltration
http://dailyexcelsior.com/

NEW DELHI, Sept 28: The Home Ministry has sought an explanation from the Army about the recent ‘infiltration’ of civilians through the barbed fence along the Line of Control (LoC) in North Kashmir going un-noticed.Sources in the Ministry said the Army authorities have been given details about the incident when three families went 10 km inside the Indian side from Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) and reported to the police post.

The Ministry questioned the vigilance at the borders and the safety about the efficacy of barbed wire fencing along the LoC as kids and old age people could cross un-noticed.

The note to the Army was sent through the Defence Ministry, the sources said.

No one from the Army was available for comments.

The Jammu and Kashmir Home Department had apprised the Union Home Ministry about the incident when 12 people, including five children and an aged lady, crossed over the LoC in the wee hours of September 26 in Tanghdar area in Karnah sector of North Kashmir.

The 12 people, including five children and an eight- month old toddler, reached the police post, located 10 km, away from the LoC and presented themselves.

The people had been detained and an appropriate action is being taken against them as some of them were Pakistani citizens, the sources said.

The Army was trying to put a brave face and were conveying unofficially that the families had reported to their outpost, a charge denied by the members to the police.

The families, in their statement to police, said that they had migrated to Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) between 1988 to 1996 and settled there after marriage.

The Police authorities reported the matter to the Foreigners Regional Registration Office and the Pakistani citizens had been served a notice, they said.

This was not an isolated incident as infiltration by civilians had become a normal affair along the Line of Control (LoC).

Such incidents were reported in 2006 from the North Kashmir area but came to an abrupt halt after the State police started registering cases against them and also asked the Centre to formulate a policy.

However, two years since, the Union Home Ministry was unable to formulate any policy on such ‘family infiltrations’ from PoK. (PTI)

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 29 Sep 2008 20:19

So the folks in the Union Home Ministry could not even come up with the concept of "quarantine" in the past two years and turn this threat to an oppurtunity? really? By "quarantine" I mean take all these PoK people, give them photo ID cards, and finger print and forbid them from leaving PoK refugee camps that are guarded with no media access....until a pro-India political group can be created out of this.....throw all the paki jihadis who try to enter this way to the wolves.

Why is the Union Home Ministry trying to blame the army for its incompetence? the Army does the best it can, while these incompetent people in the Home Ministry have been sitting on an important open issue for two years imitating a deer in headlights.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 29 Sep 2008 22:38

LoC has Floodlights every 2-3 metres. 10 feet+ high barbed wire fencing and sensors. Still even civilains can cross over without any effort with. I find that very strange.

Jihadis are a separate issue

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 01 Oct 2008 11:01

someone must have taken a bribe.

archan · Post by **archan** » 04 Oct 2008 09:02

Eight-day encounter ends in J&K, 14 dead

An eight-day-long gunbattle between militants and troops in Kashmir ended on Friday, leaving 13 militants and one soldier dead. 'The gunfight occurred in Harmukh mountain range of Kangan in Ganderbal district on September 25 at an altitude of 15000 feet, where snowfall occurs almost on daily basis and ended on October 2.

The infiltrating pigs were armed to the teeth. They had enough to fight for 8 days in a hostile climate.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 04 Oct 2008 18:45

Read it somewhere

Time to Reflect and Ponder
M. K. Kaw

Now that the dust has started settling down on the battlefield, all parties to the conflict need to ponder over the events of the last three months to understand what really happened. Viewed from the somewhat less turbulent vantage point of Delhi, it appears that the major achievement of the Hindu population of J&K State has been to establish the fact that the capacity of the Hindu to suffer injustice in silence, although phenomenal, is not infinite. When the limits are crossed, even the worm will turn.
Twice before in recent history this has happened. Once, when the Khalistan movement refused to die down and when her Sikh bodyguards committed the unpardonable sin of murdering the very woman they were duty bound to protect , and rightly or wrongly there were widespread reports of Sikhs distributing sweets to celebrate the event. The second time when the Muslims of Gujarat burnt down whole bogies of a train near Godhra. On both occasions, there was a tremendous, largely unpremeditated Hindu backlash, in which numerous, totally innocent, Sikhs and Muslims were mowed down.
Observers of the Indian scene, unaccustomed to see the non-violent, long-suffering Hindu exhibiting an unsuspected streak of cruelty, were shocked into disbelief, and indulged in lot of diatribe against the Hindus who were in a majority and had a special responsibility of nurturing the numerous minorities that inhabit this country. And, at one plane, they were right. After all, if you descend to the level of beasts, in order to counter the bestiality of your enemies, what is the difference between them and you? At another plane, if your enemies do not understand any other language, you are probably compelled to resort to violence.

Having said that, I would like to briefly look at the response of our community to the unfolding events. As late as June 2008, KP visitors to the valley were ecstatic about the changed atmospherics of Kashmir, which were a total contrast to the conditions in 1990. It took the same individuals less than a month to change their tune. A few speeches by some separatist leaders, a few rallies, some green flags and some slogans were enough to convince them that Kashmir was about to secede from India. Arundhati Roy claimed that the rallies amounted to a referendum. Vir Sanghvi got so disgusted that he mournfully suggested that if the Kashmiri Muslims wanted independence, why not grant it to them?
Within the community, the factions that have long advocated the vivisection of Jammu & Kashmir were with difficulty able to hide their jubilation that their hour had arrived and a sizeable chunk of the valley was about to fall into their laps. Yet the celebrations were premature. No sooner had the agitation been suspended than the mainstream parties started flexing their muscles for the impending elections.

So dizzying was the volte face that I had to ask a Kashmir expert what he made of the present scene. He retired as Army Commander of the Northern Command, is now eighty four years old and talks in parables.
"Once, when I was in Islamabad after my retirement, I was told by a very senior Pakistani general, about how three persons died and reached the doors of Heaven. All three had the option to choose between heaven and hell.
The first was a Khan Bahadur from NWFP. He asked the angel where his wife, Abdullah's mother, had been sent. On being told that she was in heaven, he opted for hell.
The second was a Lala Faqir Chand from Lahore. He asked the angel to describe both hell and heaven. On being told that heaven was a calm, quiet, holy place like Hardwar and hell was a dusty, noisy, harried bazaar like Anarkali, he opted for hell.
The third was this Ghulam Ahmad from Kashmir. He asked the angel whether he could opt for a third place, namely, the border between heaven and hell. He could then use God against the Devil and reap the dividend from both sides.
So, General Sahib, this wily Kashmiri will neither join you nor us. He will keep on playing us against each other, like the fools that we are."
I thought that a second opinion would be valuable. So I asked an experienced ex-Foreign Secretary what he thought would happen to Kashmir after twenty years.
His answer was short and pithy,
"Still a part of India and still simmering!"

sum · Post by **sum** » 04 Oct 2008 18:52

Hi Jamwal saab,
Is it true that the valley edited celebrated Eid on Wednesday instead of Thursday which was for rest of India( seems it was done to coincide with pakis celebrating it on Wed)?

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 05 Oct 2008 13:32

Another infiltration bid foiled along LoC
October 04, 2008 21:20 IST
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/oct/04indpak.htm

The army has foiled an infiltration bid by armed militants, who tried to intrude under the cover of firing from the Pakistan side along the Line of Control in Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir , making it the fourth such incident this week, police said.

Armed militants from across the border tried to intrude into Jammu and Kashmir, under the cover of firing from Pak
Rangers on Friday night, making it another incident of cease-fire violation.

A group of militants entered into Indian territory along the LoC in Sabra Gali area of Mendhar sector, police said.

As army troops challenged them and opened fire, militants escaped back to Pakistan. However, there was no loss of life or damage to property on Indian side.

The Border Security Force along the international border had foiled 3 infiltration bid supported by Pakistan troops on September 27, October 1 and October 2 in Jammu sector, in which one militant was killed.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 05 Oct 2008 13:33

Top Lashkar commander killed

Jammu, Oct 5:One of the most wanted top commanders of the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) was killed in the hinterland of Jammu and Kashmir's Rajouri district late Saturday, police said Sunday.

Abrar Ahmad alias Abu Ubaid, who was originally with the Hizb-ul-Mujahadeen and later shifted to Lashkar to head its Rajouri district chapter, was killed in a police operation in Targain, a heavily forested and hilly area north of Jammu.

The LeT militant was a byword for terror in the hilly areas and had been the mastermind of several terrorist acts of killings and bombings in the area. He had been evading security forces for the past several years.

His elimination has been termed as a big success by the state police.

One AK 47 with one magazine, a wireless set, a mobile set (damaged) and one diary were recovered from the possession of slain terrorist.

The operation was planned and executed under the supervision of Senior Superintendent of Police (Rajouri) Rajesh Kumar, police said.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 05 Oct 2008 13:40

sum wrote:Hi Jamwal saab,
Is it true that the valley *** celebrated Eid on Wednesday instead of Thursday which was for rest of India( seems it was done to coincide with pakis celebrating it on Wed)?

Yes, Eid was celebrated on 1st October, Wednesday in J&K.

sum · Post by **sum** » 05 Oct 2008 16:17

sum wrote:Hi Jamwal saab,
Is it true that the valley edited celebrated Eid on Wednesday instead of Thursday which was for rest of India( seems it was done to coincide with pakis celebrating it on Wed)?

Sorry for the indiscreet usage of words...
Will check on it next time!!!

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 06 Oct 2008 16:43

Two terrorists killed in 25-hr gun-battle in J&K
6 Oct 2008, 1602 hrs IST,PTI

JAMMU: Two Hizb-ul-Mujahideen militants, who were holed up in a house, were on Monday killed after a 25-hour long gun-battle with security forces in Udhampur district of Jammu and Kashmir. ( Watch )

"The longest operation has concluded and two militants have been killed in the operation during the final assault in Khail area of Ramnagar tehsil of the district," Deputy Inspector General (DIG) of Udhampur-Reasi range, Alok Puri said.

Both the bodies have been recovered from the site of encounter, the DIG said adding that one body is tagged with a grenade as a booby trap by ultras and bomb disposal squad has been sent to diffuse it.

The militants, Abu Sahri and Mohammad Sabbar, were holed up in the house of Bub Gujjar in Khail village since 2300 hours on October four, police said.

They stayed for the night after having a meal and around 1030 hours, Gujjar on pretext of getting them a chicken went out and informed police. The house was then cordoned off and a fierce gun-battle took place between militants and security forces.

Later Gujjar and his wife including their three children were rescued from the house, police said.

sum · Post by **sum** » 06 Oct 2008 19:27

They stayed for the night after having a meal and around 1030 hours, Gujjar on pretext of getting them a chicken went out and informed police. The house was then cordoned off and a fierce gun-battle took place between militants and security forces.

Later Gujjar and his wife including their three children were rescued from the house, police said.

One of our many unsung heroes....

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 06 Oct 2008 19:37

sum wrote:
They stayed for the night after having a meal and around 1030 hours, Gujjar on pretext of getting them a chicken went out and informed police. The house was then cordoned off and a fierce gun-battle took place between militants and security forces.

Later Gujjar and his wife including their three children were rescued from the house, police said.
One of our many unsung heroes....

Quite a change from your "indiscreet usage of words" to now praise for kashmiris.

BTW next time anyone from ddm talks about lack of "actionable intel" or "intel failure" they need to be shown this report.

sum · Post by **sum** » 07 Oct 2008 09:07

Avinash R wrote:
sum wrote: One of our many unsung heroes....
Quite a change from your "indiscreet usage of words" to now praise for kashmiris.
BTW next time anyone from ddm talks about lack of "actionable intel" or "intel failure" they need to be shown this report.

Avinash saar,
All my expletives are reserved for the Hurri-rats and their supporters who are closeted in the valley and fattening themselves on our money while waving Paki flags...Thats why, i always associate the valley with these "people" though i should have known better that there are true patriots also residing along with these rats in the valley....

Any person who helps the Indian state has my 400% regards and respect.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 07 Oct 2008 13:13

Ammunition recovered from Udhampur encounter site
Jammu | Monday, Oct 6 2008 IST

Security forces recovered huge cache of ammunition from the site of encounter in which two militants were eliminated in Ramnagar area of Udhamour district in Jammu and Kashmir, official sources here today said.

The army and the police launched a joint operation after the encounter in which both the militants were killed at village Khali in Chanunta area of tehsil Ramnagar and recovered a dump of cache, police told UNI.

The cache comprised one AK 56 Rifle, 19 AK 56 rounds, three AK 56 magazines, one .303 rifle without butt with one magazine, one wireless set, two mobile sets, two pittu pouches and Rs. 1, 710 Indian Currency, they said.

The slain militants were member of Lashkar-e-Toiba outfit and were ascertained as Rizwan, code Abu Tallah resident of Pakistan and Sabar, Code Abu Hamza resident of village Tanda, Ramnagar.

sum · Post by **sum** » 07 Oct 2008 15:58

Unbelievable!!!!

Link

Troops battle IM's Kerala cadre in Kashmir, 1 killed

Army and Special Operations Group of Jammu and Kashmir [Images] have killed a terrorist believed to be an Indian Mujahideen [Images] cadre hailing from Kovalam in Kerala [Images].

Central agencies had been monitoring certain leads, which said a group of people hailing from Kerala along with Lashker-e-Tayiba's support were trying to enter Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir through North Kashmir.

The information was shared with the army headquarters in the national capital and a plan was chalked out to nab the exfiltrating group with the help of the state police.

A terrorist identified as Shakeel Mohammed hailing from Kovalam was killed in the encounter that took place between Nine Para and Special Operations Group in Dever area of Lolab Valley in North Kashmir.

A hunt is on to track down terrorists who escaped after the encounter, sources said.

Shakeel is the first Keralite to have been killed in nearly two decades of terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir.

A photo identity card was found from his pocket besides some religious writings written in Malayalam, the sources said.

A team of Kerala Police is scheduled to visit Kashmir valley soon for carrying out the identification process of killed terrorist.

Wonder what Shri.Amar Singh has to say for this fake encounter? A innocent mallu muslim has been dragged all the way to Kashmir for a encounter!!!!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Oct 2008 03:23

sum wrote:Unbelievable!!!!
[url=http://Shakeel is the first Keralite to have been killed in nearly two decades of terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir.

A Wonder what Shri.Amar Singh has to say for this fake encounter? A innocent mallu muslim has been dragged all the way to Kashmir for a encounter!!!!

Dont be naive, Amar Singh will say as per Islam/ Mullah a real Muslim cannot be terrorist. The moment terroist is caught he cease to be a muslim.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 08 Oct 2008 03:32

KPS Gill ji has a n article in outlook

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fo ... =kps&sid=1

Indians can't let the pakis and their ISI actually damage us with their "1000 cuts" by making their predictions come true.

Musharraf infiltrated and trained a lot of these ISI people under the cover of the p1ss process -- the risk was always there, except the govt. seems to have been caught in surprise as to how far and wide ISI has succeeded.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 09 Oct 2008 09:17

he's about to kick off a train service for terrorists and illegal migrants to cross over.

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Singh likely to unveil peace moves in Kashmir

By Our Correspondent

NEW DELHI, Oct 8: Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will visit Jammu and Kashmir on Saturday where he is expected to announce some important peace measures with Pakistan, news reports said on Wednesday.

No details were given about the likely steps Mr Singh may announce to improve ties with Islamabad, but his visit coincides with the arrival of a business delegation from Azad Kashmir.

Mr Singh will also flag off the first train connecting Srinagar to central Kashmir during his two-day-visit to the disputed region.

Press Trust of India said the prime minister would flag off the first train from Nowgam (the station for Srinagar) to Budgam on Saturday.

Though it is a short distance between the two stations, it will be for the first time that the Kashmiris will see a train running in the valley.

“During the function, the prime minister will be addressing people and was also likely to make some announcements regarding the Indo-Pak ties,” the report said. Mr Singh will first inaugurate the controversial 450 MW Baglihar hydroelectric project in Doda region.

A team of elite Special Operations Group along with other security agencies arrived in Srinagar on Tuesday accompanied by a plane full of security paraphernalia.

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 Oct 2008 14:11

A team of elite Special Operations Group along with other security agencies arrived in Srinagar on Tuesday accompanied by a plane full of security paraphernalia.

Does he mean the SOG of the SPG for PM security or the SOG of the IA for some operation in the valley?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 09 Oct 2008 14:18

SOG in the J&K context is the ATF of J&K police, not IA.

in other news, times now reports a top jaish militant killed along with his aid.

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 Oct 2008 16:25

Rahul M wrote:SOG in the J&K context is the ATF of J&K police, not IA.

in other news, times now reports a top jaish militant killed along with his aid.

But, why would the SOG of J&KP "fly/arrive into Srinagar" with a plane load of special weapons when they have their HQ there?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 09 Oct 2008 16:53

ddm forces them ! should be SPG.

neshant, please post the link to articles, else it's copyright violation.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 09 Oct 2008 17:58

sum wrote:
They stayed for the night after having a meal and around 1030 hours, Gujjar on pretext of getting them a chicken went out and informed police. The house was then cordoned off and a fierce gun-battle took place between militants and security forces.

Later Gujjar and his wife including their three children were rescued from the house, police said.
One of our many unsung heroes....

Most of terrorists get killed due to intelligence supplied by locals. No matter what hurriyat and NHRC says, militants are worse human right offenders. The homes they take shelter in suffer the most. Not only they ask for food, they also rob them at gunpoint, rape the women and torture/kill the people who oppose them.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 09 Oct 2008 22:34

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/jem-o ... ../371337/

JeM terrorist is handed Visa and travel brochures to the Canada in the heavens.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Oct 2008 22:50

sum wrote:
They stayed for the night after having a meal and around 1030 hours, Gujjar on pretext of getting them a chicken went out and informed police. The house was then cordoned off and a fierce gun-battle took place between militants and security forces.

Later Gujjar and his wife including their three children were rescued from the house, police said.

Perhaps Indian Forces in Kashmir should give these Gujjars and other pro-Indian people some new technology. Something like mobile-phone, with only one number one can call, the security forces. It should also have some buttons to state the nature of the emergency, the number of terrorists, the number of hostages, the position over GPS. Each mobile phone's number is already fixed to a particular family or individual. Every family can hide it somewhere different in the house. One can also give a different number of mobile devices to each family, so that the terrorists cannot demand that the family gives up its security mobile device.

Maybe one could program a Google Phone (Android) for this. When the people know, that help is near, they would be more willing to stand up these ba$tards.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 09 Oct 2008 23:00

A better idea is to have supplies that the terrorist will want to steal or take by force from these civilians with GPS tracking devices -- they are getting smaller and smaller...will lead them right to their lair.

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Oct 2008 13:22

Link

Separatists call strike to protest PM's J&K visit
10 Oct 2008, 1201 hrs IST,AGENCIES
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SRINAGAR: Separatists have called for a strike to protest Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's two-day visit to Jammu and Kashmir on Friday.

"We call upon the people to stage peaceful protests after Friday prayers and observe a complete strike on Saturday to protest the Prime Minister's visit," said a statement by a separatist coordination committee that has spearheaded some of the biggest anti-India protests in two decades.

During his visit, Singh is scheduled to inaugurate the 450 MW Baglihar Hydro Electric Power Project in Ramban district.

This is the third power project commissioned in the border state on river Chenab.

The Baglihar Project has been completed at a cost of Rs 5200 crores and will generate 2800 million units of electricity every year.

Later, he will fly to Srinagar where he will meet leaders of various political parties including National Conference, Congress, PDP, CPM and Panthers Party.

On Saturday, Manmohan Singh will flag off the first train connecting Srinagar to central Kashmir from Nowgam to Budgam.

He will board the Diesel Multiple Unit (DMU) train from Nowgam station as a symbolic gesture.

The inauguration of this train service was a part of the plan to connect Baramulla to Qazigund. The commercial use of the train will take some time to start.

Nothing surprising...However,what exactly are they protesting about, the Baghlihar project or the train project or what?

There seems to be no agenda other than "protest the PM's visit"!!??

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 10 Oct 2008 13:35

these guys don't have real jobs.

if they had to work for a living, there would be no time for bandhs, jehads and other leisurely passtimes.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Oct 2008 14:04

Rye wrote:A better idea is to have supplies that the terrorist will want to steal or take by force from these civilians with GPS tracking devices -- they are getting smaller and smaller...will lead them right to their lair.

How about minituarized GPS bullets

, with voice recorders and transmitters inside?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 10 Oct 2008 17:33

That technique was used last year where the Taliban stole a loaded fuel truck belonging to the US army -- shortly before they were all sent upwards.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 10 Oct 2008 21:12

cell phones on their own are sufficient to determine position with 'sufficient' accuracy as long as there is a network... just look at google maps

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 10 Oct 2008 21:19

No doubt that cellphone triangulation is pretty accurate, and that is a great idea to hand out cell phones with only the emergency number pre-programmed.

But I was wondering how to exploit the fact that pakterrorists are stealing stuff owned by civilians and others to sustain themselves -- that leaves another opening to get them. I was thinking of leaving behind something they will want to steal, with no one (terrorists or civilians) aware that it is being tracked.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 10 Oct 2008 21:29

I am pretty sure Sh. M M Singh will come up with some inane offer to Kashmiri Muslims to buy peace and few votes for his party.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Oct 2008 21:31

Another great thing would be in case the cell-phones are stolen by terrorists and the Gujjar user reports it as stolen, then the security forces could perhaps remotely switch on the camera of the cell-phone (lets just call it a security mobile device - SMD), without the terrorist knowing it, and the image/video of the terrorists could be transmitted to the security forces along with voice and GPS coordinates.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 10 Oct 2008 21:33

The terrorists are likely to just stomp on the cell phone if they suspect it is not owned by the person they steal it from.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Oct 2008 21:51

That is why a minituarized GPS bullet in the a$$es of terrorists is a terrific idea. Their friends can then start stomping on those bullets also out of fear.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 10 Oct 2008 21:57

Problem is that the GPS circuits will be fried by the time the bullet leaves the barrel

-- not very cost-effective also, I think. Another cool variation on the GPS bullet idea would be to take them down with a tranquilizer and tag them physically in some obscure place and leave them lying in the forest...they will wake and try to reach their handler(s) or otherwise try to salvage their predicament.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Oct 2008 21:59

Rye wrote:Problem is that the GPS circuits will be fried by the time the bullet leaves the barrel -- not very cost-effective also, I think.

How about getting them made in China then??