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from a blog: :rotfl:

We have seen some eye-catching shucking and jiving by a few industrial companies to gain access to funds. Fabled economic bellwether General Electric just toddled off to Omaha to get raped over a barrel by everyone's favorite sugar daddy, Warren Buffett, in exchange for some onerous preferred equity finance. But again, most of the mainstream media seem to gloss over the fact that GE did so because its giant financial services division makes it look a helluva lot like a bank, and a dodgy bank at that. GE Financial Services accounted for more than half of GE's consolidated earnings, carried over half a trillion dollars of debt, and accounted for more than 82% of GE's balance sheet at the end of the last quarter. Given that GECS has no nice, stable retail deposits to fund its massive lending activities, it is little wonder that Jeffrey Immelt chose to strap on his kneepads and go visit Warren for an extremely lopsided vote of confidence.
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nypost.com

TIGER CUBS MEOW DURING SEPTEMBER

By KAJA WHITEHOUSE

Last updated: 10:45 am
October 10, 2008
Posted: 4:00 am
October 10, 2008

Some of the legendary Wizard of Wall Street's so-called Tiger Cubs were cut down to size last month, suggesting even the best and brightest in the hedge fund industry have been unable to tame today's treacherous markets.

Tiger Cubs are fund managers who trained under Julian Robertson of Tiger Management, who was known for generating average returns of 25 percent a year for more than 20 years.

Lee Ainslie, for example, saw his Maverick fund drop nearly 19 percent in September alone. What's more, Ainslie's Maverick Leveraged fund, which makes greater use of borrowed money, dropped a whopping 35.5 percent for the month, The Post has learned.

Tiger Global, which returned 71 percent after fees last year, dropped 14 percent last month, while Steve Mandel's Lone Pine Capital declined close to 15 percent in September, sources said.

Other former highfliers also are hurting. Jeffrey Gendell, known for returns over 100 percent twice this decade, saw his Tontine Partners fund down 66 percent through Sept. 30, according to data reviewed by The Post. Meanwhile, Gendell's Tontine Capital Partners fund is off 31 percent.

To be sure, the biggest names in the profession are expected to bounce back.

But for some, the volatile market has been too much. Such is the case for Mark Sellers, who runs a small energy fund Sellers Capital.

After posting eye-popping returns of 65 percent in the first half of the year, the 40-year-old Sellers alerted investors last month he was closing shop and retiring from the profession.

"I truly love the art of investing, but managing people's money has taken a large toll on my demeanor and psyche," Sellers said in a letter obtained by The Post. "I feel downright miserable."

Sellers, who put a lock on redemptions, plans to liquidate the fund over the next year or two.
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now that some new bretton woods is in the works, we must ensure for ourself a
position at the high table there and work with allies like euros and brazil to
ensure the dollar is dethroned from its position as the worlds reserve and
settlement currency to be replaced by a basket of currency including the
indian rupee. our financial insts can spread all over the world on the back
of that and increasing trade flows. right now they are nonentity's and
global midgets whose clout doesnt even extend to sri lanka or asean,
yet they prance and preen internally as "giants" aka SBI and ICICI
Singha,

Consider that the US Treasury issues debt, the Federal Reserve issues currency...when debt becomes due, it can be retired printing more currency without any regard to the Federal government budget.

Now consider Euroland. Debt is issued in Euros by each government separately, the currency is issued by the European Central Bank. So if Germany wants to retire its Euro denominated debt, it cannot just ask the ECB to print more Euros, it has to be paid by Germany out of its budget.

And that is why in this recent crisis, a flight to quality has meant a flight to US Treasury debt. The US Treasury cannot issue debt fast enough in the last few weeks for the appetite of all those people who are dumping their stocks.

Getting Euroland to coordinate both is tantamount to political union. Likely in the near future? I doubt it. Not at least in the aftermath of this crisis.

Rupee is still some distance away from being able to jump into the akhara.
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why are the japanese being stupid enough to get 21% of morgan stanley by paying 95% of its
current market cap (down 60% last week). If I were me, I would renegotiate the deal and threaten
to walk away, leading to another hammering by shorts on the stock if MS doesnt capitulate to
my terms. warren buffet would do the same thing.
If the deal is done early next week as currently structured, it will be because Mitsubishi has got its marching orders from the Bank of Japan which in turn has "confabulated" with the Federal Reserve to let the status quo remain for global systemic stability.....no other reason.
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Japan seems to be a captive cash cow under the status quo. Is that really worth preserving?

What they need to do is to cultivate a large alternative market other than the US. That should be India.

But if they're too patrician and insular to see us in that light, then it's their loss.
I keep remembering the footage of that Japanese journalist covering the Nano launch. He was wearing a facemask and gloves - like he thought he'd get infected just from breathing the same air as us.
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Singha wrote:now that some new bretton woods is in the works, we must ensure for ourself a
position at the high table there and work with allies like euros and brazil to
ensure the dollar is dethroned from its position as the worlds reserve and
settlement currency to be replaced by a basket of currency including the
indian rupee. our financial insts can spread all over the world on the back
of that and increasing trade flows. right now they are nonentity's and
global midgets whose clout doesnt even extend to sri lanka or asean,
yet they prance and preen internally as "giants" aka SBI and ICICI.

they better shape up and act as gate rammers for the rest of the horde.

losing the ability to print tons of dollar notes and yet still enjoying low
inflation will act as a natural brake on the american consumers willingness
to spend way more than their income can support and getting us all into
periodic mess.
Singha,

Sir excatly what i had in mind, Me and my two friends have made killing on Short selling some stuff
in the last 2 weeks. MT, X, AAPL, SSO, REDF, SID etc. We are just killing commodities.

The current usage of dollar as a world reserve currency and also the only currency to trade oil is what is keeping the dollar alive. Infact the dollar is holding hostage the world economies. The huge stacks of dollars each country is holding will be worthless if dollar falls heavily in the near future.

It is like the emperor is standing naked, but none of the people in the court can say that the emperor is nude. I think countries will come have to come terms that these days of taking junk paper for valuable goods will have to stop.

I think the bloody OPEC should start trading oil for other currencies only then will the dollar fall, If not countries like India will always create a demand. The UnKle has become a freeloader and Now is pushing for a global response. i think the Europeans got so enamoured and are so in Bed with unkle that if US Falls right now, then the UK and other euro powers will take a tumble. It may have a huge effect on India also. Think of all pollution, slave labourers, ipods, Tvs, cameras, Camcorders, car parts, textiles, sweat and pain which generated all these huge junk of dollars currently for all the countries. All this time all the fat secretaries and MCDOnalds patty turners in US were driving Huge SUV's filling gallons of gas and Eating all the junk of the world and living in 5 bedroom houses and thier kids would go to soccer and football practice. What a sad world.

I am currently enrolled in MBA at ross school of business univ of Michigan ann arbor. 60% of positions in schools joblist have been removed. Ross has always been a good school. In terms of number(salary) of position it always had more than even harvard or standford. But now teh situtation is tense and sad, Students are postpoing thier graduations or taking positions in China and INDIA. Salaries have gobe down. I will take a pay cut if i change from my current real secure IT job to any other Job after garduation. I have just postponed my graduation for an year. BTW idont know what to do with my huge student loan. I think if Citibank can write off 50 Billion dollars, it can just forget my 50 grand. :wink: :wink: :rotfl:
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Sanjay M wrote:Japan seems to be a captive cash cow under the status quo. Is that really worth preserving?

What they need to do is to cultivate a large alternative market other than the US. That should be India.

But if they're too patrician and insular to see us in that light, then it's their loss.
I keep remembering the footage of that Japanese journalist covering the Nano launch. He was wearing a facemask and gloves - like he thought he'd get infected just from breathing the same air as us.
Sanjay,

I think till now no such huge market has come up front which can replace US. The number of cars sold by Honda or toyota in US, is thrice of what they sell in the rest of world.

Japan has to change itself to increase self comsumption and find alternate markets like you said. Japanese after the second world war have become like a older less beautiful wife to US. Providing everything it wants(paid for the first gulf war, heavy contribution in finance to all US wars and bail out US out of financial mess when required) and just requesting him to spend some time with it. There was also a japan before they had the US market. The japs dont seem to recognize this. They are also to afraid to get into any african or South asian markets heavily. They think they are two low for thier attention.

I think there major pys-ops were conducted by US in floating all these service economy theories. The US when it lost all the manufacturing industries. It was floated by US politicians that US is going to the service economy level, where all the populations will be doing service jobs, where all the blue workers will be going to better salaries and perks and no hard work. Nobody seems to have asked them, who was going to produce everything for them. The answer then i guess was third world countries. No body seems to have asked them how long are these third world countries going to remain third world and how long can these guys ship dollars to them?
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The Modern Day


There's a lot we can recognize in the 20's today, but it isn't all in America. The same laissez-faire "business knows best attitude" reigns; the same regulatory capture has occurred, where government simply refuses, at the behest of the executive branch, to oversee industry in any meaningful fashion. There are significant asset bubbles (the stock market in the 90's, the real estate bubble, carry trade, derivatives market and private equity in the 00's) as there were in the 20's. The vast majority of the gains of productivity (over 80%) of the last expansion have gone to the rich and to corporations, with almost none going to workers.

Like in the twenties, consumer spending has kept going despite the fact that consumers aren't getting their fair share. Unlike in the 20's the American consumer, and America as a whole, is a net debtor - Americans have kept consuming by borrowing. Estimates of how much money the US borrows range from 80% of the world's lendable money, to over 100%. (Yeah, over. In other words, all the legal money, plus a lot of the illegal money.) The American public has been running a literally negative savings rate, and so has the US government.

In the 20's the US was the new great industrial power behind tariff walls and with substantial trade surpluses Today it is in deficit. This parallels not the US in the 20's, but Britain in the 20's. At that time Britain had negative trade balances and Europe in general was in negative trade balance with the US. In order to buy cheap US goods they had to borrow the money, and the US was all too willing to lend.


Today that role is played by China and Japan. While China and Japan don't use classic tariffs as their primary economic subsidy for their internal industries the way the US did in the 20's, their strong intervention to keep their own currencies artificially low against the dollar (an intervention that is costing China about 10% of its entirely yearly GDP) functions the same way - a cheap Yuan or Yen makes their imports very competitive against made in America goods, and makes American manufactured goods (and American services) much less competitive in China. The massive gutting of manufacturing jobs over the last seven years is probably at least two thirds the result of these subsidies, and the massive trade and balance-of-payment deficits are also exacerbated by this policy.

The US's consumption is fueled by what amount to Chinese and Japanese loans, and the Chinese internal economy is not sufficient to absorb the products of thier own manufacturing capacity.

Meanwhile, in China, by the end of January, there were 80 million retail brokerage accounts (when you consider the size of the Chinese middle class, this is astonishing). The Shanghai stock exchange is on a tear, real estate in much of China's coastal areas is rising at double digit rates every year and savings accounts are paying 3% or less. Like the US in the 20's, and unlike America today, the Chinese have a huge savings rate (around 50%). And in another, eerie presage of the Great Depression, soil erosion in China's interior, where the majority are still farmers, is out of control and leading to dust storms. (The Great Depression was made much worse by huge dust storms as the prairie top soil blew away after years of being abused combined with a few years of drought.)

History, they say, doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme. If there is to be a new Great Depression, something I believe is probable, it won't occur exactly as it did in the 20's. But the outlines of how it happened last time tell us a lot about how it could happen this time. And what we see - with a rising mercantile power using protectionist policies while the old power engages in laissez-faire business policies; in the way that productivity gains are being concentrated in the hands of the few; in the refusal to use regulatory power; in excessive and repeated asset bubbles; in irrational exuberance and inflation in China; along with the absolutely sickeningly frightening American savings rates and multiple deficits leads one to believe that it's very likely that history is about to rhyme again. When the Napoleonic wars ended it was predicted that there would be no great general European war again for as long as the memory of the memory existed. And indeed, it was almost exactly a century after Waterloo that World War I, that splendid brief war, got underway. I don't think it's going to take us a century from 1929 to finish repeating the mistakes that led to the Great Depression, perhaps because the human lust for blood is only exceeded by the human capacity for greed.

And it was greed that ultimately caused the Great Depression. It is, likewise, untrammeled unrepentant greed, celebrated as a civic virtue, rather than as the vice it is, that will cause the next Depression.
http://agonist.org/ian_welsh/20070625/depressionomics
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bhavani wrote:Sanjay,

I think till now no such huge market has come up front which can replace US. The number of cars sold by Honda or toyota in US, is thrice of what they sell in the rest of world.

Japan has to change itself to increase self comsumption and find alternate markets like you said. Japanese after the second world war have become like a older less beautiful wife to US. Providing everything it wants(paid for the first gulf war, heavy contribution in finance to all US wars and bail out US out of financial mess when required) and just requesting him to spend some time with it. There was also a japan before they had the US market. The japs dont seem to recognize this. They are also to afraid to get into any african or South asian markets heavily. They think they are two low for thier attention.

I think there major pys-ops were conducted by US in floating all these service economy theories. The US when it lost all the manufacturing industries. It was floated by US politicians that US is going to the service economy level, where all the populations will be doing service jobs, where all the blue workers will be going to better salaries and perks and no hard work. Nobody seems to have asked them, who was going to produce everything for them. The answer then i guess was third world countries. No body seems to have asked them how long are these third world countries going to remain third world and how long can these guys ship dollars to them?
Japan of all countries would benefit from economic multi-polarity. A competitive economy like theirs has little to fear from globalization. They seem to have become a hostage of their long-cherished "special relationship" with the US.

A future Leftist/Democrat Whitehouse would probably reimpose another Plaza Accord type of arrangement on Japan, which would harm its balance of trade. Meanwhile, future Leftist govts in Japan would be loathe to back the US on military adventurism. There is growing reason for both countries to grow apart in the future.
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Do note that share price has continued to rise and now has market cap approaching 140 Bn euros

Surge pushes VW past Toyota in market cap
By Richard Milne and Daniel Schäfer in London

Published: October 8 2008 03:00 | Last updated: October 8 2008 03:00

Volkswagen has overtaken Toyota as the world's largest carmaker by market capitalisation after an extraordinary scramble by hedge funds to cover positions betting on a share price fall in the German company.

Volkswagen's shares surged as much as 55 per cent yesterday, extending recent strong gains. But the shares then fell in late trading to close 2 per cent down.

In spite of the late fall, VW is now worth more than Daimler, BMW, General Motors, Ford, Fiat, PSA Peugeot Citroën, Renault, Mitsubishi and Hyundai combined. VW has a market capitalisation of €94.5bn ($129bn) compared with Toyota's Y12,792bn ($126bn).

Traders and investors said the rise in VW - as well as a 27 per cent leap on September 18 and other increases in the recent falling markets - was due to a squeeze when hedge funds were forced to cover short positions.

These trades seek to make money by selling borrowed shares and then buying the equivalent position back at a lower price before returning the stock to the lender. When VW's stock started rising, traders and hedge funds had to scramble to buy stock to minimise losses as the price rose above the level at which they had sold.

Hedge funds have been forced to sell as they seek to conserve cash and see redemptions by their investors soar. "It is clearly the brutal unwinding of a hedge fund position. Somebody has got burnt in a big way," said a trader at a large US bank.

Hedge funds had bet VW's preference shares - shares that pay a fixed rate of interest but usually do not have voting rights - would rise more than the common shares. This was based on the view that Porsche's dominance made the voting rights of the ordinary shares worthless. But in recent weeks, the preference shares have dropped in value and the common shares have soared.

The rise comes amid difficult times for carmakers, faced with the twin threat of weakening demand and an increased need to invest to produce environmentally friendly products.

Porsche, the German sports carmaker, owns 35 per cent of VW and intends to raise that to more than 50 per cent by the end of next month
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would not be surprised if the german govt pulled some strings from behind the green curtain to
teach the hedge funds a lesson and tell them to **** off.
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I find it astonishing that not one person has landed in jail as a result of this massive financial crash.

Meanwhile if a black guy robs a liquor store for pennies and dimes, he'll do 10 years in jail easily.

The laws are well crafted to keep white collar crooks nice & safe.
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my friend yesterday was criticising the G7 euros as bhikaris of the worst order.
said in Mcdonalds europe you get one napkin and one packet of ketchup and
a dirty look if you ask for more.

I dont think G7 has the cash reserves to make any impact. taiwan, japan,
soko, PRC, russia and gulf are where the dollarito reserves are mainly
held.
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Dubya's statement today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... 7033_x.htm

extract:

>>There have been moments of crisis in the past when powerful nations turned their energies against each other, or sought to wall themselves off from the world. This time is different. The leaders gathered in Washington this weekend are all working toward the same goals. We will stand together in addressing this threat to our prosperity. We will do what it takes to resolve this crisis. And the world's economy will emerge stronger as a result.

There you have it as to what this is all upto.

Also, check this out: Confidence of Foreign Investors in US

Author makes a very interesting analysis and we will see that the foreign investors have lost the confidence in US. If this persists, US will not be enjoying free ride anymore (what a free riding nation!!).

How none of the world leaders is even talking about the need for an alternative to $, forget working on it or announcing to do it.
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The laws are well crafted to keep white collar crooks nice & safe.


Judging by the US prison population, 'the laws are well crafted to keep white crooks nice & safe' might be closer to the truth.
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Sanjay-M wrote
keep remembering the footage of that Japanese journalist covering the Nano launch. He was wearing a facemask and gloves - like he thought he'd get infected just from breathing the same air as us.
If it was a white mask ; something like one cup of a bra...then mostly that Japanese guy had cold and he was wearing it to prevent others from getting it....they are amazingly polite people :)
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Post by vina »

Well.. Kweschun for "No Crisis in Australia and NZ types?.. Why this now ? :(( :((

October 12, 2008
Australia Guarantees Bank Deposits to Combat Crisis
By REUTERS

Filed at 3:46 a.m. ET

CANBERRA/WELLINGTON, Oct 12 (Reuters) - Australia and New Zealand gave a blanket guarantee to all bank deposits on Sunday in a move likely to raise pressure on other economies to do the same, amid a crisis of confidence in the global financial system.

The two neighbours, both dominated by Australia's four major lenders, had portrayed themselves as having strong bank systems, especially Australia whose government and regulators gave repeated assurances it was well placed to weather the storm. :rotfl: :rotfl:

But Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd called a snap news conference on Sunday to say his government would guarantee Australia's entire deposit base of A$600-A$700 billion ($386-$450 billion) for three years and guarantee wholesale bank funding.

"We are in the economic equivalent of a national security crisis, and the challenges are great," Rudd said.

He referred to recent moves by other economies, such as Britain, Germany and Ireland, to extend guarantees or state aid to their banking systems and said Australian banks could be disadvantaged if his government failed to act.

"I don't want a first-class Australian bank discriminated against because some other foreign bank, which has a bad balance sheet, is being propped up by a guarantee by a foreign government," Rudd told reporters.

The country's top four lenders are: National Australia Bank (OOTC:NABZY) , Australia and New Zealand Banking Group (OOTC:ANZBY) , Commonwealth Bank and Westpac Banking Corp (NYSE:WBK) .

New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark announced her deposit guarantee scheme moments later, though she gave no time frame.

"Our government has agreed to implement a deposit guarantee scheme which will provide New Zealand depositors with additional confidence," Clark told broadcaster TVNZ at the launch of her ruling Labour Party's campaign for the Nov. 8 election.

The New Zealand scheme charges a guarantee fee of 10 basis points a year for institutions with deposits exceeding NZ$5 billion ($2.97 billion).

PRESSURE FOR OTHERS TO FOLLOW

Both countries said their guarantees should not be taken as a sign of weakness in their banking systems.

Rudd quoted local regulators as saying bank finances remained in good order. "Right now, the balance sheets look great," he told reporters. "Our banks and our financial institutions are in first-class financial order.

"This measure puts our banks on a similar footing to other banking systems around the world."

Australia would also make an extra A$4 billion available for mortgage-backed securities market to help maintain liquidity for non-bank lenders, Rudd said, adding that the measures were part of an international response to the crisis.

Paul Xiradis, managing director of fund manager Ausbil Dexia, said the moves by Australia and New Zealand just made it more likely that other economies would have to do the same, or risk being overlooked by investors shopping around for security.

"The government is not reacting because it needs to, it's being proactive to make sure it takes a positive step," he said.

"It is likely that all government's will do so and this step by the Australian government is simply aimed at ensuring that everyone is on an even keel."

There was no threat to Australian deposits before Sunday's announcements, according to Australian Bankers' Association Chief Executive David Bell.

"But if it does give people extra confidence then this must be viewed as a good thing," Bell said.

Rudd said his government was in close contact with other nations, including the G-20, and coordinated action was crucial.
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Singha wrote:would not be surprised if the german govt pulled some strings from behind the green curtain to
teach the hedge funds a lesson and tell them to **** off.
No, not true, just a very small amount of free float. Simply a miscalculation on the part of the short sellers.
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said in Mcdonalds europe you get one napkin and one packet of ketchup and
a dirty look if you ask for more.
This is true by personal experience. Some restaurants even charge for the ketchup.
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BTW a nice article on how the derivatives are now so complex that only a few understand how they really work. Also do read up on the essay by Dyson that is linked

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opini ... ref=slogin
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I undertsand econometrics (by no means a guru or great mind) and to a very small extent other volumes of literature on macro & micro economics and fianance. But I strongly follow street level prices such as gas, milk, bread, groceries as better indicators of where a country is going. So yesterday I had small talk with Bank Of America financial advisor.

From that I understood that BOA is now peddling new schemes

You deposit multiples of $100 into instruments whic will invest n specific sectors of economy like manufacturing, energy, etc
if the fund makes money you will get returns based on returns, how ever if if the fund does not make money or loses money you get back your principal amount and a nominal interest fo 1%.

Now this gives indications of

1) How difficult it has become to raise capital
2) The cost of capital to BOA (and other banking and industry by and large)
3) The confidence that there are cherry pickings in the market.
4) The scramble to mop up the cash in the street.
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I wonder if the global economy will support tariffs like the below?

http://www.innform.biz/crs/tariffPage.h ... estic=true
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Does anyone know how Standard Chartered Bank and other British Banks are doing in this mess....Standard has a sizeable presence in the gulf countries.
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Stanchart has some exposure to the toxic mortgage securities. The losses from these meltdown are showing up at places unexpected.
Latest news:
-- two small banks in michigan and illinois have gone under.
--Mazda from Ford may be up for sale soon.
--A lot more small banks can go under.
-- A lot of places are out of gold coins. I buy at http://www.ajpm.comand suddenly they are out of lot of varities of gold like the Krugerrand and Philharmonic . The only 24 carat gold that is left is the canadian maple leaf and they have also stopped selling 1/2 Oz and 1/4 Oz and smaller size god coins. The mints are running out of gold very fast. INfact they are running out of sliver faster.
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GM Said to Seek Merger With Ford Before Chrysler
New York Times - 3 hours ago
By BILL VLASIC DETROIT - Before General Motors began exploring a possible merger with Chrysler - talks that first came to light on Friday - GM proposed a similar deal with its other cross-town rival, the Ford Motor Company, two people with knowledge of ...

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you think George Soros reads BRF?

just now on fareed zakaria's show he said small explosion created a big one. like atomic bomb. :twisted: :lol:
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I heard that too and thought my self wow this guy learns a lot from reading BRF! :mrgreen:
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I wouldn't be surprised if these Atlanticists are reading BRF.
These world-manipulating machiavellian types always like to "know the enemy"
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Again, I sincerely hope we are not the ones paying for the clean up of the poo left by the wallstreet.

Norway to Spend $55.4 Billion to Boost Liquidity

>>>Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Norway will offer commercial banks as much as $55.4 billion in government bonds in exchange for mortgage debt to restore confidence in the financial system, the latest move by a European government to try to boost liquidity.
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Funny video of some Norweigan guy on his economy :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AShdIoYX ... re=related
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> GM Said to Seek Merger With Ford Before Chrysler

perhaps they want to become 'too big to fail' so they get a govt bailout package.

i can't see any other reason why two failing companies would want to merge.

Same strategy was used by Goldman Sachs and Bank of America who merged over the weekend after they saw Lehman Brothers was cut loose after it was deemed too small to save. There is no way 2 companies can understand each other's balance sheets in 1 or 2 days and decide to merge unless they already know they are going under.
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They hope to gain new efficiencies from combining operations and product lines.

The problem is that they'd make a lot of people redundant, and would have to pay to get rid of them.

Many of their product lines overlap, so they'd have to pare back their product list.
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merger => few lakhs of layoff directly and in suppliers if the product lines are truly rationalised
with one car in each segment
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Neshant wrote:> GM Said to Seek Merger With Ford Before Chrysler
perhaps they want to become 'too big to fail' so they get a govt bailout package.
They have been enjoying that "previlege" for a long time now; both GM and Ford have negetive equities for the last few years and I wonder how they are able to pay their short term loans.

It is for survival that they are trying to merge and possibly use this "extraordinary" time to revamp their labor contracts and screw them once and for all. Interesting time in all spheres.
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Singha wrote:merger => few lakhs of layoff directly and in suppliers if the product lines are truly rationalised
with one car in each segment
I am wondering at what point of employment rate and/or DOW and/or in banking crisis should we (Indian diaspora or any foreign diaspora) really start worrying both from job perspective and physical safety perspective in US.
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Vina dont know why your posting a thread about australia;s banking sector in the Indian economy discussion but id like to clarify that article. Australia DOES have a healthy banking sector. Do you know why Kevin Rudd is guaranteeing Deposits? Because other banks have done so overseas. Therefore if he did not there could be a run on aussie banks by some very panicked investors. Australia of all western countires is the best positioned do some research before coming out with plainly incorrect statments my friend.
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most BRish desis being in IT, engineering, academia and Finance, the situation in these segments
is more important than overall unemployment rate.

academia tenured profs looks the only safe haven to me. which means N3 continues to
fly fast and high as usual :twisted:
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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081012/financial_meltdown.html
Sen. Chuck Schumer, chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, said an administration proposal to inject federal money directly into certain banks, in effect partially nationalizing the banking system, "is gaining steam."

"I am hopeful that tomorrow, the Treasury will announce that they're doing it. And they have to do it quickly ... markets are waiting," Schumer, D-N.Y., said.
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Australia is a western country!
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