Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 17 Oct 2008 03:12

Russia to build second missile frigate for Indian Navy by March

KALININGRAD, October 16 (RIA Novosti) - A Russian shipyard said on Thursday it would complete the construction of the second of three missile frigates for the Indian Navy by March 2009.

The Yantar shipyard in Russia's Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad said the second Project 11356 frigate was more than 50% complete.

India and Russia signed a $1.6 billion contract for the construction of an additional three Project 11356 Krivak IV-class guided missile frigates for the Indian Navy in July, 2006. Russia previously built three Krivak-class frigates - INS Talwar, INS Trishul and INS Tabar - for India, and delivered them all in late 2004.

The final vessel is due to be delivered to India by 2011-12. All of the frigates will be armed with the BrahMos supersonic anti-ship cruise missile system instead of the Club-N/3M54TE missile system, which was installed on previous frigates.

renukb · Post by **renukb** » 17 Oct 2008 18:26

UAV Procurements High On India's Defense Needs
http://www.satnews.com/cgi-bin/story.cg ... =526291200

Jane's Information Group is reporting that India is planning to significantly upgrade its unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) capability over the next decade in order to enhance situational awareness along its land and maritime borders. Official sources said the army was planning to procure a large number of manportable mini- and nano-UAVs with short-range intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance ,and laser-designation capabilities, as well as the ability to detect nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons inside enemy territory. The army also intends to acquire weaponised UAVs similar to the General Atomics RQ-1 Predator (pictured), which can be armed with Hellfire missiles. The RQ-1A also offers a crucial Ku-band satellite datalink for over-the-horizon mission capabilities. These will be deployed largely along the disputed borders with Pakistan and China. At present, India operates around 70 Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI)-built Searcher Mk 1, Mk 2 and Heron UAVs, as well as 30 Harpy ground attack drones designed to detect and destroy enemy radars

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 20 Oct 2008 21:41

ACQUISITION OF WEAPON LOCATING RADARS

Monday, October 20, 2008

The Government proposes to acquire highly sophisticated Weapon Locating Radars to track and neutralize hostile artillery fire.

The Government has a proposal to procure, at an estimated cost Rs. 1498.00 crores, 28 weapon Locating Radars being developed jointly by M/s Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL) and Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri MK Subba in Lok Sabha today.

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Oct 2008 09:11

JaiS wrote:ACQUISITION OF WEAPON LOCATING RADARS
The Government has a proposal to procure, at an estimated cost Rs. 1498.00 crores, 28 weapon Locating Radars being developed jointly by M/s Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL) and Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

So, was the purchase of American WLRs just a makeshift while our indigenous ones were being developed/refined or did we start work on WLRs only after buying the Amriki ones and "studying" them a bit?

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 21 Oct 2008 09:38

American ones were bought for immediate need felt after kargil. The BEl WLR will be the future WLR of IA.

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 21 Oct 2008 19:14

Hi sum,

The WLR was a derivative of the Rajendra project. You can read more about it from ACIG/Harry's coverage of Aero India 2003. The US WLRs were imported as an interim measure.

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Oct 2008 20:54

JaiS wrote:Hi sum,

The WLR was a derivative of the Rajendra project. You can read more about it from ACIG/Harry's coverage of Aero India 2003. The US WLRs were imported as an interim measure.

Thanks a lot for the gyaan and the link, JaiS guru...

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Oct 2008 09:45

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Gapi ... 638790.cms

Defending India: An ageing naval fleet, obsolete equipment

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Govt ... 118305.cms
The ideal situation would be 3% of GDP, which is the global average,
"Armed forces all over the world are modernizing and becoming technology intensive. We must adopt a joint approach, keeping in view the varied security challenges being faced by our nation," he said stressing on "integration of tri-service approach in thought and in action".

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 11 Nov 2008 02:51

sum, Jai is good enough, plus I am hardly a guru.

India negotiating $1.5 bn defence deal with Israel: Report

India is negotiating a deal with Israel to purchase four intelligence and early warning planes at a cost of USD 1.5 billion, a media report said on Monday.

Indian Defence Secretary Vijay Singh is leading a delegation to Israel this week to discuss the purchase of the planes and missiles from Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), daily Ha'aretz reported.

The Indian delegation will also discuss cooperation with Israel on intelligence matters and in the war on terror, sources close to the Israeli defense industries reportedly told the daily.

Earlier, India had bought Phalcon AWACS plane radars from IAI for $1.1 billion, a deal that has been delayed but likely to come through by early 2010.

Negotiations over the new deal is said to have started a few months ago.

The Indian delegation includes senior officials from the Defense Ministry, high ranking officers from the army and air force, as well as officials involved in military research and
development, the report said.

A source close to the IAI told the daily that the first Phalcon AWACS will be delivered to India in the next few weeks.

The delay stems from problems discovered during test flights, which have since been corrected.

The visit comes in the shadow of an investigation being carried out by the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI)into alleged kickbacks in previous deals between the two countries, including those with IAI and Rafael Advanced Defense Systems.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 16 Dec 2008 04:50

Rafael to supply SPYDER SAM systems to India

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 17 Dec 2008 12:01

CCS clears purchase of bullet-proof jackets for paramilitary forces

New Delhi: Four years after floating a tender, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) today gave the Ministry of Home Affairs the go-ahead to purchase bullet-proof vests for the central paramilitary forces.

The purchase had got blown out of proportion due to plans to import the lightweight vests as they cannot be manufactured by Indian ordinance factories, sources said. “Today’s consideration was to decide whether the purchase required CCS approval. It was decided that it did not, and that the MHA could go ahead and contract in a routine manner,” they said.

Under its modernisation plan, the Home Ministry had floated tenders in 2004 for 65,000 bullet-proof vests for central paramilitary forces at a cost of Rs 52 crore. But it got bogged down in bureaucratic red tape due to quality and delivery issues. Home Minister P Chidambaram had pushed for a re-look at the proposal considering the time and cost delay, sources said.

While the traditional vests manufactured at ordinance factories have steel plates that can take an AK-47 bullet shot from 10 metres, they weigh nearly 10 kg and restrict the pace of its wearer. A lightweight vest cuts the burden into half and can take close range shots from the AK-47.

The CCS, which met for more than two hours, is learnt to have also approved the import of surface-to-air Spyder missile from Israel and the manufacture of Akash, a medium-range SAM developed by the Defence Research & Development Organisation in the wake of threats of a possible 9/11-like attack on Indian installations.

While Spyder is a low-level quick reaction missile with effective range of 15 km, Akash can target aircraft 30 km away, at altitudes up to 15,000 metres. Import of Spyder would be followed with its indigenisation through a joint venture project between Israel defence contractors and DRDO, sources said.

pkudva · Post by **pkudva** » 17 Dec 2008 12:22

The deal has already been signed, i suppose these are for additional procurements which were understood in the wake of Mumbai attacks. We should understand the Govt has a limited time frame to sign a number of defence deals as the Lok Sabha elections are coming fast and the budget is also in feb-09.
The govt has its work cut out and it has to sign a number of defence deals in the coming 3 months.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 17 Dec 2008 12:28

The CCS, which met for more than two hours, is learnt to have also approved the import of surface-to-air Spyder missile from Israel and the manufacture of Akash, a medium-range SAM developed by the Defence Research & Development Organisation in the wake of threats of a possible 9/11-like attack on Indian installations.

The order for akash is apart from ordered by IAF?

And why not looking at this: http://www.splsteel.com/bullet-proof-jackets.html

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 17 Dec 2008 16:15

Astra Microwave Inks Deal With Elta
Defense News

nikhil_p · Post by **nikhil_p** » 03 Jan 2009 21:14

Good Brochure of the TATA - LSV (2.3 Mb File)

http://www.defencesolutions-tatamotors.com/pdf/lsv.pdf

Cool website too...
http://www.defencesolutions-tatamotors.com/

Check out the other brochures as well.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 03 Jan 2009 22:38

nikhil_p wrote:Good Brochure of the TATA - LSV (2.3 Mb File)

http://www.defencesolutions-tatamotors.com/pdf/lsv.pdf

Cool website too...
http://www.defencesolutions-tatamotors.com/

Check out the other brochures as well.

Interesting, the brochure mentions stealth features built into the LSV like RCS reduction, acoustics etc...never knew such stuff existed even for ground vehicles, I knew it existed for ships and aircraft...

go TATA!!

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 03 Jan 2009 23:45

Interesting, the brochure mentions stealth features built into the LSV like RCS reduction, acoustics etc...never knew such stuff existed even for ground vehicles, I knew it existed for ships and aircraft...

go TATA!!

Also do keep in mind that the TATA LSV was outperformed (from what i have read) by the Mahindra AXE and other vehicles(Non Indian Origin) in the testing. However the LSV being the cheapest is most likely to win.. (the Mahindra AXE is built with ToT from Israel hence cost more)

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Jan 2009 19:10

zeenews.com

Tenders for six more submarines for Navy next year: Antony

New Delhi, Dec 11: India is planning to issue a Request for Proposals for construction of six new diesel-electric submarines in India by the middle of next year.

"The issuance of RFP for the submarines under P-75 (I) is envisaged in mid-2009," Defence Minister A K Antony said while replying to a question in the Rajya Sabha yesterday.

Antony said the new submarines would be built indigenously on an imported design and the partners would be chosen on a multi-vendor basis.

"The submarines will be built on an imported design with an overseas collaborator to be selected on multi-vendor basis," he said.

Commenting on the measures taken by the government to ensure on-schedule delivery of imported weapon systems, the Minister said: "Necessary provisions are included in contracts to ensure that defence equipments are received as per agreed delivery schedule and negotiated price and other contractual term and conditions."

He said there was a clause in the contract regarding levy of Liquidated Damages (LD) in case of delay in delivery of equipment.

Replying to another question, the minister said Russia, United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany and Israel were the major exporters of military hardware to India.

He said the import option for procuring defence equipment was exercised when it became necessary to procure items with in definite time frame on operational grounds to bridge the capability gap and when the equipment could not be procured indigenously.

Trishul missile proposal foreclosed

The government has said that the Trishul missile programme of the DRDO was foreclosed due to its inability to meet certain critical operational requirements of the Indian Air Force (IAF).

Defence Minister A K Antony the told Rajya Sabha yesterday that the missile served as a technology demonstrator and the expertise acquired with the technologies developed during design and development phase of Trishul Missile System were being utilised for developing state-of-the-art short range surface-to-air-missile system.

"The proposal for Trishul system was foreclosed due to its inability to meet certain critical operational requirements," Antony said, replying to a question from a member.

He also said the Defence Ministry had signed a contract with Rafael company of Israel to procure low-level quick reaction missile system for the IAF.

To another question on the 'Arjun' main battle tank, the government said the tank was not tampered with during any trial and reliability tests were carried out systematically by the army with successful results.

He also said there was no proposal from the DRDO, which developed 'Arjun', to inquire into the whole episode of "tampering" during its testing.

On the Light Combat Aircraft
(LCA), Antony said the IAF had already placed a commercial order with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited for procuring 20 aircraft.

He said the Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) Phase-1 of the LCA was sanctioned in 1993 only for technology development.

Later, in November 2001, FSED Phase-2 was sanctioned for manufacturing of additional prototypes and eight limited series production aircraft.

"Decision was taken to change to Open System Architecture for avionics and change over to 'R73-E' Missile from R60 to make the aircraft more advanced and contemporary.

Bureau Report

sum · Post by **sum** » 05 Jan 2009 19:48

So,an RFP next year= second line of subs debuting in India only 2017-18?

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 05 Jan 2009 20:25

This is the problem with India. We take so long in making vital military decisions and then buy in such small quantities that we never get either a qualitative or quantitive edge over our enemies. Where is the problem in doubling the existing Scorpene order and then ordering 6-12 more in the second line. We need to build up a decisive edge over Pakistan and then slap it hard!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Jan 2009 20:38

they fund enough so that their lifestyles in lutyens delhi and state capital "civil lines" are not threatened but no more.

social & financial engineering to benefit 'weaker sections' and other pet hobbies take up all of
their time and countrys cash.

if all we are going to do is 6+6 what is the need to go through the super expensive and time
consuming process of another line? just buy a scorpene2 and be done with it.

even in idiocy there are degrees , we plumb the real depths.

negi · Post by **negi** » 05 Jan 2009 21:55

Scum bags in the GOI and brochure peddlers in the services give stiff competition to today's teenagers who buy new mobile sets every 2-3 months.

I mean the first scorpene is yet to be commissioned and we are already talking about a new production line for a sub of a different make , and then we will have folks in IN crying about shortage of officers and men . Are baba if you will have N types of weapons platform that too from different manufacturers as diversified as IN then one will have to have dedicated personnel for maintaining and operating the U-209's, Kilos , Scorpenes and now the new P-75.

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 06 Jan 2009 08:50

What if France sanctions India or DCN goes belly up?

Diversification is key to protect against unknown or you risk loosing your entire capital. How much diversification is a subjective question.

trushant · Post by **trushant** » 06 Jan 2009 18:43

This is my first post on this website ...have been lurking for quite some time... mods kindly advise if am not confirming to the norms...

In context of delay's in procurement of military hardware...came across this article in the latest issue of Frontline
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/2 ... 109000.htm
the former I&B secretary, Bhaskar Ghose speaks about the way procurment proposals are handled

In theory, they are there to examine all financial proposals and “advise” the Ministry on what the most prudent decisions should be. In fact, they are the most formidable barriers to all projects, proposals and schemes. In every Ministry, it is these officers who send back files with “queries” that are often ridiculous. Most Secretaries would agree that their work would be much quicker if the financial advisers were exactly what their designations make them out to be – people to advise the Secretary who then decides what is to be done.

I have personally been involved in several cases where the financial advisers have gone much beyond their brief and turned down proposals and projects because they did not think they were “suitable” or “appropriate”. In the Ministry of Defence, proposals for the acquisition of new weapons systems end up being discussed by the vendors and the financial advisers directly, with the Ministry officials concerned being mere spectators. These discussions can be tortuous and it is doubtful whether they help the government at all.

so fellas...here's where the Scorpenes and Akulas get stuck....no wonder the procurement proposal resemble more like a ping pong ball...or worse a shuttle cock in slo mo

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 07 Jan 2009 23:15

rkhanna wrote:
Interesting, the brochure mentions stealth features built into the LSV like RCS reduction, acoustics etc...never knew such stuff existed even for ground vehicles, I knew it existed for ships and aircraft...

go TATA!!
Also do keep in mind that the TATA LSV was outperformed (from what i have read) by the Mahindra AXE and other vehicles(Non Indian Origin) in the testing. However the LSV being the cheapest is most likely to win.. (the Mahindra AXE is built with ToT from Israel hence cost more)

It is not ToT from Israel but JV with BAE Systems (UK).

BAE to enter Indian armed forces venture

BAE Systems, Europe’s largest defence contractor, is to expand its presence in the rapidly growing Indian market by setting up a joint venture focused on armoured vehicles.

The company said on Wednesday that it had received approval from India’s foreign investment regulator to set up a partnership with vehicle maker Mahindra & Mahindra. The decision is an important step in the British company’s plans to build its defence business in India. Its ambitions are to position itself to participate in the modernisation of India’s armed forces, among the world’s largest, by entering partnerships with local companies.

Ian King, chief executive of BAE Systems, described the decision as “the first step” in the group’s “plans to [develop] long-term businesses in India in multiple sectors across the breadth and depth of the company’s global capabilities in land, sea, air and security”.

The company has previously identified India as its seventh “home market” after Britain, the US, South Africa, Sweden, Australia and Saudi Arabia.

BAE already has a £1.5bn partnership with Hindustan Aeronautics to make 66 Hawk trainer jets for the Indian Air Force.

In the future, the company may try to identify shipbuilding opportunities as India’s navy seeks to expand its fleet from its own dockyards rather than buying warships from other navies.

India has been affected by the escalating costs of buying the General Gorshkov, the 44,000-tonne refitted aircraft carrier, from Russia.

As part of the joint venture with Mahindra & Mahindra, BAE is to transfer expertise from its US and South African operations in land systems. It regards the land-mine resistant vehicle technology developed by South Africa’s Land Systems OMC as particularly suited for the Indian market.

Approval came after BAE filed an application in December to seek approval for a 26 per cent stake in the joint venture after India’s foreign investment regulator in October rejected a request for it to hold a 49 per cent stake.

The Mahindra Group has said the joint venture would open export markets for Indian-made defence products. The big prize for BAE, however, remains a successful bid to supply 126 fighter jets in a $10bn (£6.8bn) deal to overhaul India’s ageing Soviet-era strike force.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 08 Jan 2009 15:23

It is not ToT from Israel but JV with BAE Systems (UK).

The Article posted refers to more of an MoU than an Actual product. BAE is trying desperately to sell its wares to IA.

However the Mahindra AXE is more or less an Israeli Product. While ofcourse Mahindra has incorporated different Engine/Transmission etc (Benz i think) for Indian conditions more or less the Axe was built with an Israeli Know-how base.

Here is a Picture of the Israeli Axe

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 14 Jan 2009 03:01

The Navy is planning to induct newer recon crafts

Indian Navy Looks for Six MRMRs

India has issued a request for proposals (RFPs) for six so-called medium-range maritime reconnaissance (MRMR) aircraft. The move comes amid India's choice of Boeing's future P-8I multimission aircraft with four options to replace India's eight aging TU-142s on Jan 1.

The Indian Coast Guard also is looking for six MRMRs but without an Airborne Early Warning system.

Rivals for the Navy's RFP - for which bids have been already submitted - include a variant of Boeing's P-8I, and possibly the turboprop ATR-72MP, EADS C-295, Dassault's Falcon 900MPA and Embraer P-99A platforms. For the Coast Guard RFP, contenders could be the ATR-42MP, C-295 or CN-235MP.

The Navy's MRMR is supposed to replace the aging Islander fleet of 10 aircraft, which will be used for training and possibly shared with the Coast Guard. Two have already been gifted to Myanmar. The aircraft will have a range of over 500 nautical miles with an endurance of around 6 hours.

How different would it be from the P-81s that would also

loiter for at least six hours on its missions some 600 nautical miles off the coast.

Why is the IN floating a new RFP instead of doing more P-81 purchases. Both these acquisation seem to fulfill the same objectives

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 14 Jan 2009 11:43

Hiten wrote:Why is the IN floating a new RFP instead of doing more P-81 purchases. Both these acquisation seem to fulfill the same objectives

I am no expert on this but I would think that the smaller MPAs would be used in the littoral and coastal roles whereas the P-8s given their range, payload and systems advantages would be prowling the deeper seas in not only patroling roles but searching and destroying anything out there in deeper ocean that is not IN.

Besides the smaller MPA's will be a lot cheaper to operate and maintain, they will also be relatively less complex compared to the P-8.

pkudva · Post by **pkudva** » 14 Jan 2009 13:18

Again the MRRA has a different work compared to a LRRA,the LRRA is used for straegic activities compared to local patrolling for a MMRA.
I do not think MRRA can fitted with the type of missiles that can be launched a compared to from a LRRA. The area covered by a LRRA is also large.
For a country like India 8 No's of P-8 wont help we need tleast 20 no's because of its vast coast line.So in the absece of this the 8 No's of P-8 has to be helped by smaller MRRA.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 14 Jan 2009 18:57

cross-posting from the DRDO thread

A last bid to save the Arjun main battle tank project

The Indian Army will conduct head-to-head 'comparative trials' of the indigenous Arjun main battle tank (MBT), under development for over three decades, and the Russian-built T-90 tanks in June.

A very negative vibe given by journo. But who care about the journo, as long as the trials are fair

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 14 Jan 2009 20:32

The IA wants to kill the IA project. Their fighting doctrine seems to have moved away from Arjun's capabilities. There will not be a fair trial, period!

ajay_ijn · Post by **ajay_ijn** » 14 Jan 2009 21:30

pkudva wrote:Again the MRRA has a different work compared to a LRRA,the LRRA is used for straegic activities compared to local patrolling for a MMRA.
I do not think MRRA can fitted with the type of missiles that can be launched a compared to from a LRRA. The area covered by a LRRA is also large.
For a country like India 8 No's of P-8 wont help we need tleast 20 no's because of its vast coast line.So in the absece of this the 8 No's of P-8 has to be helped by smaller MRRA.

Are they going to replace Do-228 or a third category of requirement other than Do-228 and P-8 is being stated?

khukri · Post by **khukri** » 15 Jan 2009 02:46

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i= ... =EUR&s=TOP

India Receives First Phalcon-Equipped AWACS
By vivek raghuvanshi
Published: 14 Jan 11:04 EST (16:04 GMT) Print | Email

NEW DELHI - With relations between India and Pakistan on the downside after the Nov. 26 Mumbai terror attacks, the Indian air force has received the first of three Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) aircraft from Israel ahead of schedule.

Air force sources said the first of the aircraft, fitted with an Israeli Phalcon radar on a Russian Il-76 aircraft, was expected by March, but arrived from Israel on Jan. 11. It is currently based at Agra Air Force station, near here.

Under the $1.1 billion deal signed in March 2004, three Israeli early warning radar and communication systems are to be integrated with the Ilyushin heavy military transport plane to give India AWACS capabilities. The deliveries were to begin in November 2007, then later postponed to the end of 2008 and then to March 2009, sources said.

The Israeli Phalcon AWACS will enable the Indian air force to carry out tactical surveillance over a radius of 400 kilometers and collect surface target information deep inside Pakistan while still operating in Indian airspace. The AWACS are later to be networked to other air force assets through a dedicated satellite.

India also is developing its own AWACS through the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), which signed a deal in July for the purchase of EMB-145 aircraft from Embraer of Brazil to be used as the AWACS platform.

Three EMB-145 aircraft are to be modified and carry the Active Array Antenna Unit, developed by DRDO, on the aircraft's fuselage.

Currently, the tactical surveillance job is being carried out by a variety of Israeli-made UAVs.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 18 Jan 2009 19:43

Kerala gets fourth PSU under defence ministry

Palakkad, Kerala: Kerala Sunday got its fourth public sector unit (PSU) under the defence ministry for manufacturing military wagons and other items for the forces and railways. Chief Minister V.S. Achuthanandan Sunday laid the foundation stone of the BEML-Palakkad Manufacturing Complex here in the presence of Defence Minister A.K. Antony.

BEML Limited, formerly called Bharat Earth Movers Limited, is a mini-Ratna Category-I PSU, established in 1964.

Presiding over the function, Antony said that in politics there can be difference of opinion but when it comes to development issues all should stand united.

Achuthanandan said that in the past two years the central government has been considerate towards Kerala.

"Since there is a good investment climate prevailing in the state, we are getting more and more investments," Achuthanandan said.

Rajesh Parida, a top official of BEML, said: "This unit will be ready in 24 months and is coming up in an area of 400 acres of the 1000 acres promised by the state government. The total investment would be Rs.2.55 billion and 500 new jobs would be created".

The unit will manufacture military wagons, floating bridges and other items for the military and railways.

Since Antony became the defence minister in 2005, he has sanctioned for the state new units of defence PSUs like the Brahmos Aero Space, HAL Bangalore and Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL).

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 22 Jan 2009 10:00

India, Israel on verge of closing defense system deal

The last paragraph is interesting.

The Indian government had also approved a transaction of about a quarter of a million dollars for the purchase of Rafael's Spider air-to-air missiles and an ELTA radar system.

I think the missile is not Spyder, possibly Derby or Python, coupled with 'an' Elta radar - For LCA? only other candidate is Sea Harrier.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 22 Jan 2009 13:54

sunil, I'm sure you know that the spyder system uses both the python5 and the derby as also an ELTA search and track radar.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/spyder/

there is no spider A2A missile as the report claims. I think this is a case of IDM !

Mihir.D · Post by **Mihir.D** » 22 Jan 2009 15:08

Both the SPYDER missiles can be used as AAM right so SPYDER is a AAM also

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 22 Jan 2009 17:41

Rahul M wrote:sunil, I'm sure you know that the spyder system uses both the python5 and the derby as also an ELTA search and track radar.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/spyder/

there is no spider A2A missile as the report claims. I think this is a case of IDM !

I discounted Spyder because of value of contract - 'quarter million dollars'. Too low. I thought may be we bought couple of rounds of AAM and an Elta radar for LCA or something else.

But, off course it may be 'quarter billion' ..

ajay_ijn · Post by **ajay_ijn** » 22 Jan 2009 21:27

sunilUpa wrote:India, Israel on verge of closing defense system deal

The last paragraph is interesting.

The Indian government had also approved a transaction of about a quarter of a million dollars for the purchase of Rafael's Spider air-to-air missiles and an ELTA radar system.
I think the missile is not Spyder, possibly Derby or Python, coupled with 'an' Elta radar - For LCA? only other candidate is Sea Harrier.

300 Baraks for 300 million thats real costly . and if 2083 costs 20 to 30 million, what about the rest 240 million.

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 24 Jan 2009 17:44

sunilUpa wrote:India, Israel on verge of closing defense system deal

The last paragraph is interesting.

The Indian government had also approved a transaction of about a quarter of a million dollars for the purchase of Rafael's Spider air-to-air missiles and an ELTA radar system.
I think the missile is not Spyder, possibly Derby or Python, coupled with 'an' Elta radar - For LCA? only other candidate is Sea Harrier.

Navy is about to purchase two Israeli-made aerial balloon radar systems.

Might be the aerostats the Indian navy is buying as the article mentions

The value of this transaction is estimated at $300 million and is a joint transaction of Rafael, which produces the missile, The IAI's Mabat, which produces the scanner and integration systems and ELTA (The MFSTAR radar?).

I think the 300 million is for radars, missiles, integration and software. We might be getting some newer fire control radars for controlling the guns as well as missiles
JMTs etc.